CDZ Islamification of The West

[jc456]

well two shot up a bunch of Californians.

As compared to how many other Californians shot up other Californians that day, and how many of them were Islamic terrorists?

why does that matter are you saying that justifies it?

Absolutely not.

then what's your problem?

With anyone who twists my words? A big one.

where and who?

 

[L.K.Eder]

Are you arguing against freedom of religion?

Since you admitted that wherever Islam prevails such freedom disappears, I will leave that to you.

Answer the question - are you arguing against freedom of religion? In other words, is "tolerance" in western countries reserved for only approved religions (assuming all are acting lawfully)?

As far as freedoms - that is less dependent on religion than it is on many other factors such as governance, stability, education, culture etc. Business Insider posted a list of "Least Free" countries, and it includes non-Islamic as well as Islamic majority countries: The 15 least free countries in the world I think anytime religion begins to interfere with government freedoms begin to diminish for minorities - I'm an advocate of strict seperation between religion and governance.

If Islam is "all ABOUT" intolerance that is not universally shared among it's adherents who's views vary depending on where in the world they live.

If you were actually an advocate for the strict separation of religion and politics, the defense of the most insidious ideology seeking to destroy such separation forever would not be your top priority in life.

It's not my top priority in life. I also disagree with your claim it is "the most insidious ideology". You seem to think that our Constitution is so fragile it will fall with one Muslim puff. It has withstood over two centuries and the best efforts of the Christian majority in this country to amend religiously-based changes to it and you think Muslims will be able to innact wide-sweeping changes that will destroy our rights, culture and laws? Muslims who are immigrants to this country by and large fled oppressive regimes both political and religious, and I hardly think they will want to give up their rights and freedoms to return to that. Native Muslims have long supported our Constitution and see no conflict between our way of life and their faith, much like native Christians, Jews etc.

they got a muslim in as president and look at the things that came of that? holy crap are you kidding me? wow. that infers that you can't see he has no clothes on.

who got a muslim in as president. who is this muslim you are talking about?

 

[jc456]

Since you admitted that wherever Islam prevails such freedom disappears, I will leave that to you.

Answer the question - are you arguing against freedom of religion? In other words, is "tolerance" in western countries reserved for only approved religions (assuming all are acting lawfully)?

As far as freedoms - that is less dependent on religion than it is on many other factors such as governance, stability, education, culture etc. Business Insider posted a list of "Least Free" countries, and it includes non-Islamic as well as Islamic majority countries: The 15 least free countries in the world I think anytime religion begins to interfere with government freedoms begin to diminish for minorities - I'm an advocate of strict seperation between religion and governance.

If Islam is "all ABOUT" intolerance that is not universally shared among it's adherents who's views vary depending on where in the world they live.

If you were actually an advocate for the strict separation of religion and politics, the defense of the most insidious ideology seeking to destroy such separation forever would not be your top priority in life.

It's not my top priority in life. I also disagree with your claim it is "the most insidious ideology". You seem to think that our Constitution is so fragile it will fall with one Muslim puff. It has withstood over two centuries and the best efforts of the Christian majority in this country to amend religiously-based changes to it and you think Muslims will be able to innact wide-sweeping changes that will destroy our rights, culture and laws? Muslims who are immigrants to this country by and large fled oppressive regimes both political and religious, and I hardly think they will want to give up their rights and freedoms to return to that. Native Muslims have long supported our Constitution and see no conflict between our way of life and their faith, much like native Christians, Jews etc.

they got a muslim in as president and look at the things that came of that? holy crap are you kidding me? wow. that infers that you can't see he has no clothes on.

who got a muslim in as president. who is this muslim you are talking about?

yep, and his money and their money buying everyone they can. Funny, the christians won't let it happen though. it is why folks such as you hate christians, you don't like us impeding in islam progress right. How are those women's rights going anyway?

 

[jc456]

All religiously governed societies are built upon intolerance - I can't think of one that is truly egalitarian in nature or where all are truly equally tolerated, because there is one group that is the "right group".

then what are the islamic folks fighting against?

Which ones?

ISIS

This thread isn't about ISIS.

it's about muslims, are you saying they're not muslims?

 

[L.K.Eder]

Answer the question - are you arguing against freedom of religion? In other words, is "tolerance" in western countries reserved for only approved religions (assuming all are acting lawfully)?

As far as freedoms - that is less dependent on religion than it is on many other factors such as governance, stability, education, culture etc. Business Insider posted a list of "Least Free" countries, and it includes non-Islamic as well as Islamic majority countries: The 15 least free countries in the world I think anytime religion begins to interfere with government freedoms begin to diminish for minorities - I'm an advocate of strict seperation between religion and governance.

If Islam is "all ABOUT" intolerance that is not universally shared among it's adherents who's views vary depending on where in the world they live.

If you were actually an advocate for the strict separation of religion and politics, the defense of the most insidious ideology seeking to destroy such separation forever would not be your top priority in life.

It's not my top priority in life. I also disagree with your claim it is "the most insidious ideology". You seem to think that our Constitution is so fragile it will fall with one Muslim puff. It has withstood over two centuries and the best efforts of the Christian majority in this country to amend religiously-based changes to it and you think Muslims will be able to innact wide-sweeping changes that will destroy our rights, culture and laws? Muslims who are immigrants to this country by and large fled oppressive regimes both political and religious, and I hardly think they will want to give up their rights and freedoms to return to that. Native Muslims have long supported our Constitution and see no conflict between our way of life and their faith, much like native Christians, Jews etc.

they got a muslim in as president and look at the things that came of that? holy crap are you kidding me? wow. that infers that you can't see he has no clothes on.

who got a muslim in as president. who is this muslim you are talking about?

yep, and his money and their money buying everyone they can. Funny, the christians won't let it happen though. it is why folks such as you hate christians, you don't like us impeding in islam progress right. How are those women's rights going anyway?

answer the question, please.

 

[pillars]

In response to Lucy's question in the OP, the ICM poll cited several times already, found that 32% of UK muslims refuse to condemn those who take part in violence against those who mock muhammed.

There is no doubt a problem in the Muslim community with extremism.

It does not follow that we should wholesale reject refugees fleeing from said extremism.

Who has rejected them? Germany alone took 1.6 M.

Maybe you haven't been paying attention to the thread, but that's the position of the OP, and several people here.

Because we have already taken in enough.

I think that this is a reasonable position. I think that it is okay for a country to say, "we cannot absorb anymore refugees at this point in time," and ask for help from other nations.

But, the more you vilify this population, the more difficult it becomes to find other nations who are willing to help you out. And, that is what Europe is basically asking for, because it is happening on YOUR shores. Not ours.

So, this thread is actually rather self-defeating to your stated goal.

 

[jc456]

If you were actually an advocate for the strict separation of religion and politics, the defense of the most insidious ideology seeking to destroy such separation forever would not be your top priority in life.

It's not my top priority in life. I also disagree with your claim it is "the most insidious ideology". You seem to think that our Constitution is so fragile it will fall with one Muslim puff. It has withstood over two centuries and the best efforts of the Christian majority in this country to amend religiously-based changes to it and you think Muslims will be able to innact wide-sweeping changes that will destroy our rights, culture and laws? Muslims who are immigrants to this country by and large fled oppressive regimes both political and religious, and I hardly think they will want to give up their rights and freedoms to return to that. Native Muslims have long supported our Constitution and see no conflict between our way of life and their faith, much like native Christians, Jews etc.

they got a muslim in as president and look at the things that came of that? holy crap are you kidding me? wow. that infers that you can't see he has no clothes on.

who got a muslim in as president. who is this muslim you are talking about?

yep, and his money and their money buying everyone they can. Funny, the christians won't let it happen though. it is why folks such as you hate christians, you don't like us impeding in islam progress right. How are those women's rights going anyway?

answer the question, please.

I did.

 

[Coyote]

All religiously governed societies are built upon intolerance - I can't think of one that is truly egalitarian in nature or where all are truly equally tolerated, because there is one group that is the "right group".

then what are the islamic folks fighting against?

Which ones?

ISIS

ISIS is a specific group - they're fighting for a their totalitarian vision of supremacy and apocolyptic vision.

and islamic. I would bet 50% of muslims defend their actions.

You'd lose that bet sweetie

According to newly released data that the Pew Research Center collected in 11 countries with significant Muslim populations, people from Nigeria to Jordan to Indonesia overwhelmingly expressed negative views of ISIS.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Tolerating the ultimate intolerance is not actually furthering tolerance.

It is simple abetting intolerance.


As Islam grows and spreads, tolerance diminishes. Islam is all ABOUT intolerance, since it was created as a quasi-religious totalitarian political system that wages continual war on all other ways of life.

Are you arguing against freedom of religion?

Since you admitted that wherever Islam prevails such freedom disappears, I will leave that to you.

Answer the question - are you arguing against freedom of religion? In other words, is "tolerance" in western countries reserved for only approved religions (assuming all are acting lawfully)?

As far as freedoms - that is less dependent on religion than it is on many other factors such as governance, stability, education, culture etc. Business Insider posted a list of "Least Free" countries, and it includes non-Islamic as well as Islamic majority countries: The 15 least free countries in the world I think anytime religion begins to interfere with government freedoms begin to diminish for minorities - I'm an advocate of strict seperation between religion and governance.

If Islam is "all ABOUT" intolerance that is not universally shared among it's adherents who's views vary depending on where in the world they live.

If you were actually an advocate for the strict separation of religion and politics, the defense of the most insidious ideology seeking to destroy such separation forever would not be your top priority in life.

It's not my top priority in life. I also disagree with your claim it is "the most insidious ideology". You seem to think that our Constitution is so fragile it will fall with one Muslim puff. It has withstood over two centuries and the best efforts of the Christian majority in this country to amend religiously-based changes to it and you think Muslims will be able to innact wide-sweeping changes that will destroy our rights, culture and laws? Muslims who are immigrants to this country by and large fled oppressive regimes both political and religious, and I hardly think they will want to give up their rights and freedoms to return to that. Native Muslims have long supported our Constitution and see no conflict between our way of life and their faith, much like native Christians, Jews etc.

My apologies.

I think I must have been fooled by your many, many tends of thousands of postings across different boards defending Islam into thinking that such singular purpose reflected upon your actual interest therein.

 

[pillars]

We already have that to some degree, with the misogynistic sharia courts stripping women of their human rights.

As long as women are freely choosing to participate in those courts, isn't that basically part of their free practice of their religion?

Again, how are those courts different from other religious courts?

 

[pillars]

In response to Lucy's question in the OP, the ICM poll cited several times already, found that 32% of UK muslims refuse to condemn those who take part in violence against those who mock muhammed.

There is no doubt a problem in the Muslim community with extremism.

It does not follow that we should wholesale reject refugees fleeing from said extremism.

Who has rejected them? Germany alone took 1.6 M.

Maybe you haven't been paying attention to the thread, but that's the position of the OP, and several people here.

Because we have already taken in enough.

I didn't realize there was a cap. Do you know how many millions of English, Irish, Dutch, Danish, German, Italian, Russian, Vietnamese, Japanese, Chinese, Mexican and Cuban immigrants we've taken in?

In all fairness, we have capped the number of immigrants and refugees we are willing to accept on an annual basis. This year we will absorb about 80,000 refugees, and lord knows how many undocumented immigrants.

 

[pillars]

My apologies.

I think I must have been fooled by your many, many tends of thousands of postings across different boards defending Islam into thinking that such singular purpose reflected upon your actual interest therein.

Link?

 

[pillars]

Talk is cheap, head lopping is death.


There is a difference.

How dramatic!

 

[Dogmaphobe]

All religiously governed societies are built upon intolerance - I can't think of one that is truly egalitarian in nature or where all are truly equally tolerated, because there is one group that is the "right group".

.......and as Islam continues to grow in Europe , then European countries will be governed by religious intolerance eventually.

And they're telling us it's what they're gonna do.

Evidently some folks think they're "kidding".


.

Members of polite society in the 1920s were equally incredulous that those funny little Germans who wore brown shirts could possibly mean what they said, too.

 

[jc456]

then what are the islamic folks fighting against?

Which ones?

ISIS

ISIS is a specific group - they're fighting for a their totalitarian vision of supremacy and apocolyptic vision.

and islamic. I would bet 50% of muslims defend their actions.

You'd lose that bet sweetie

According to newly released data that the Pew Research Center collected in 11 countries with significant Muslim populations, people from Nigeria to Jordan to Indonesia overwhelmingly expressed negative views of ISIS.

funny stuff, it is one poll. along with that is this:

Pew poll claims most Muslims "disdain" ISIS -- but is 60 million really "a small minority" of terror supporters?

Pew poll claims most Muslims "disdain" ISIS -- but is 60 million really "a small minority" of terror supporters?

 

[Coyote]

So, tolerating Islam in western nations will lead to the destruction of freedom of religion?

How?

Tolerating the ultimate intolerance is not actually furthering tolerance.

It is simple abetting intolerance.


As Islam grows and spreads, tolerance diminishes. Islam is all ABOUT intolerance, since it was created as a quasi-religious totalitarian political system that wages continual war on all other ways of life.

Are you arguing against freedom of religion?

Since you admitted that wherever Islam prevails such freedom disappears, I will leave that to you.

Answer the question - are you arguing against freedom of religion? In other words, is "tolerance" in western countries reserved for only approved religions (assuming all are acting lawfully)?

As far as freedoms - that is less dependent on religion than it is on many other factors such as governance, stability, education, culture etc. Business Insider posted a list of "Least Free" countries, and it includes non-Islamic as well as Islamic majority countries: The 15 least free countries in the world I think anytime religion begins to interfere with government freedoms begin to diminish for minorities - I'm an advocate of strict seperation between religion and governance.

If Islam is "all ABOUT" intolerance that is not universally shared among it's adherents who's views vary depending on where in the world they live.

Like it or not, the US was created as a christian country, people came here to enjoy life under that umbrella. Not to change it. So was Great Britain. Why does the country need to adopt another religious sector? What does that accomplish?

Freedom of religion is one of the pillars of our country - not freedom of some religions. Freedom of religion - that meant freedom from persecution, from a state sponsored religion. Whether or not our country was "created as a christian country" (debatable but another topic) - that is not the lens through which we determine which religions have the freedom to worship. People did not come here specifically to "enjoy life" under a Christian umbrella - they came for a variety of reasons, from a variety of faiths and ethnic backgrounds who have all enriched our culture and accepted our culture.

I'm not sure what you mean by "adopt another religious sector"?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

We already have that to some degree, with the misogynistic sharia courts stripping women of their human rights.

As long as women are freely choosing to participate in those courts, isn't that basically part of their free practice of their religion?

The choice between being beaten, burned or cut up by their male overlords or go to court is no true choice.

 

[jc456]

We already have that to some degree, with the misogynistic sharia courts stripping women of their human rights.

As long as women are freely choosing to participate in those courts, isn't that basically part of their free practice of their religion?

Again, how are those courts different from other religious courts?

yeah, women are freely choosing. yep you go with that. I will laugh though. here we all know you women love to be suppressed. So much so that we fight for them everyday for equality in the US. yeppers.

 

[jc456]

Tolerating the ultimate intolerance is not actually furthering tolerance.

It is simple abetting intolerance.


As Islam grows and spreads, tolerance diminishes. Islam is all ABOUT intolerance, since it was created as a quasi-religious totalitarian political system that wages continual war on all other ways of life.

Are you arguing against freedom of religion?

Since you admitted that wherever Islam prevails such freedom disappears, I will leave that to you.

Answer the question - are you arguing against freedom of religion? In other words, is "tolerance" in western countries reserved for only approved religions (assuming all are acting lawfully)?

As far as freedoms - that is less dependent on religion than it is on many other factors such as governance, stability, education, culture etc. Business Insider posted a list of "Least Free" countries, and it includes non-Islamic as well as Islamic majority countries: The 15 least free countries in the world I think anytime religion begins to interfere with government freedoms begin to diminish for minorities - I'm an advocate of strict seperation between religion and governance.

If Islam is "all ABOUT" intolerance that is not universally shared among it's adherents who's views vary depending on where in the world they live.

Like it or not, the US was created as a christian country, people came here to enjoy life under that umbrella. Not to change it. So was Great Britain. Why does the country need to adopt another religious sector? What does that accomplish?

Freedom of religion is one of the pillars of our country - not freedom of some religions. Freedom of religion - that meant freedom from persecution, from a state sponsored religion. Whether or not our country was "created as a christian country" (debatable but another topic) - that is not the lens through which we determine which religions have the freedom to worship. People did not come here specifically to "enjoy life" under a Christian umbrella - they came for a variety of reasons, from a variety of faiths and ethnic backgrounds who have all enriched our culture and accepted our culture.

I'm not sure what you mean by "adopt another religious sector"?

not sure what that has to do with tearing apart countries infrastructures?

I don't care what the country was based on, yes religious freedom is a staple of the country, not enforcing them.

 

[Coyote]

All religiously governed societies are built upon intolerance - I can't think of one that is truly egalitarian in nature or where all are truly equally tolerated, because there is one group that is the "right group".

.......and as Islam continues to grow in Europe , then European countries will be governed by religious intolerance eventually.

And they're telling us it's what they're gonna do.

Evidently some folks think they're "kidding".


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Members of polite society in the 1920s were equally incredulous that those funny little Germans who wore brown shirts could possibly mean what they said, too.

That's a really good analogy....especially given the similarity of today's rhetoric to that of the 1920's and 30's.

Europe’s fear of Muslim refugees echoes rhetoric of 1930s anti-Semitism

Anti-Syrian Muslim Refugee Rhetoric Mirrors Calls to Reject Jews During Nazi Era