Isn't this sad...30-30 ammo

[freyasman]

I just want some rounds for my Dad's Winchester I just inherited, but between all the panic buying and then hunting season, there ain't any 30-30 around.
It is what it is, and I'm just going to be patient, because I sure as hell ain't paying $3 a round buying off gunbroker.

 

[JGalt]

Biden most likely won't control anything during his time in the WH. He's just a figurehead.

President of Plagiarism, Commander of Hair Sniffing, Chief of all Corn Pop related incidents.

Chinese attache to the United States, Diaper-Tester in Chief, Director of the Department of Quid Pro Quo, and the world's only living combination doorstop/paperweight.

 

[Missourian]

I just want some rounds for my Dad's Winchester I just inherited, but between all the panic buying and then hunting season, there ain't any 30-30 around.
It is what it is, and I'm just going to be patient, because I sure as hell ain't paying $3 a round buying off gunbroker.

It's funny...I remember when nobody wanted the stuff. 30-30 was an anachronism...there were so many superior chambering...why was anyone still using this 100 year old round. At least that's what the gun mag writers kept telling us...

 

[JGalt]

I just want some rounds for my Dad's Winchester I just inherited, but between all the panic buying and then hunting season, there ain't any 30-30 around.
It is what it is, and I'm just going to be patient, because I sure as hell ain't paying $3 a round buying off gunbroker.

Dammit man, I feel bad. I'd give you a box if I weren't 1,000 miles away.

 

[freyasman]

I just want some rounds for my Dad's Winchester I just inherited, but between all the panic buying and then hunting season, there ain't any 30-30 around.
It is what it is, and I'm just going to be patient, because I sure as hell ain't paying $3 a round buying off gunbroker.

Dammit man, I feel bad. I'd give you a box if I weren't 1,000 miles away.

He had a few rounds in an old tub full of gear, but I'd say the boxes are at least 10 years old.
Probably just fine but I don't have any idea how they were stored and if I zero it with these, then I'm just going to be doing it again later when I get more rounds.

 

[Jarlaxle]

I pictured this at the local Walmart the other day. We live in a rural area where deer season is almost celebrated like Christmas. Let's see: Four boxes of .350 Remington Magnum, which nobody's ever heard of, and two other calibers of ammo which don't go to a rifle anyone owns. Fortunately for me, I handload in several different calibers, so no ammo shortage here. I have about 500 rounds of 30-06 using different weight bullets.

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Yeah but even the materials for hand loading are becoming extremely scarce and expensive now. It's crazy. Any time I see a pre-purchase backorder sale for decent ammo offered by Brownwells/OpticsPlanet/etc, I jump on it. It takes a little longer to arrive, but at least it's not costing 5x the market rate from a year ago.

I'm seeing that. Two months ago, the price for small pistol primers was about $3-$4 per hundred or $30-$40 per box of 1,000. Those are the ones used in 9mm ammo. None of the reloading supply places around here has them anymore and they're bringing up to $350 per thousand now. I did manage to score a decent stash of primers at some garage sales last summer, so I'm good.

Same thing with small rifle, large rifle, and large pistol magnum primers. They seem to be made of unobtanium now. I still have access to a wide variety of powders, thanks to a local gun shop that over-bought a couple years ago, but you have to take what you can get. No more Alliant 2400 or Unique for magnum handloads, but plenty of other brands and types. It's just time-consuming working up loads every time you change powder or bullet weight.

Plenty of Hodgdon Titegroup too, which is good for most any pistol calibers. It takes smaller charges but is wicked to work with, as a one/tenth of a grain increase can cause a massive pressure spike, and turn your pistol into a hand grenade.

Bullets are scarce too: Anything in a .355 diameter (9mm), especially the jacketed ones. There are still plenty of cast lead/tin bullets around made by ACME or other companies, and their Hy-Tek polymer-coated bullets are pretty good if you keep them below 1200 fps.

And then there are the two 5-gallon buckets of wheel weights behind the house. I have bullet molds for 9mm, 38 Special, .44 magnum, 30-06, British .303, and several muzzle-loading rifles and pistols, which use only pure lead. Plenty of Pyrodex powder and percussion caps for the muzzle-loaders.

As for commercial ammo, I spent the last ten years buying up what I could find at garage sales. Probably have 10,000 rounds of 7.62x39mm for the AK, and a bunch of other calibers I don't even have the gun for. Probably have too much .22 LR too.

No such thing as too much .22LR.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Very true. By "firefight" I meant doing a mag dump in their general direction, while seeking cover. Like they say, "a handgun is only good for fighting your way to your rifle."

Spray and Pray ...
What a terrible waste of ammo.

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More like "spray, pray, and run like hell." Anyone wanting to stand out in the open during a gunfight, is going to get shot. It's called the "funnel of death."

And there's a difference between "concealment" and "cover."
Concealment doesn't stop bullets.

The right caliber turns cover into concealment.

 

[Jarlaxle]

I just want some rounds for my Dad's Winchester I just inherited, but between all the panic buying and then hunting season, there ain't any 30-30 around.
It is what it is, and I'm just going to be patient, because I sure as hell ain't paying $3 a round buying off gunbroker.

Dammit man, I feel bad. I'd give you a box if I weren't 1,000 miles away.

He had a few rounds in an old tub full of gear, but I'd say the boxes are at least 10 years old.
Probably just fine but I don't have any idea how they were stored and if I zero it with these, then I'm just going to be doing it again later when I get more rounds.

10 years is nothing. Hell, my uncle and I used WW2 and Korean War surplus into the 90s.

 

[miketx]

Nothing to do with Biden and everything to do with scared dumb-asses buying up everything. "Biden gonna take my guns so I gotta buy more guns". Dumbasses. I pretty much had to quit shooting and hold on to what I have because panic buying has made the cost prohibitive.

Biden said he was gonna take guns, liar. On video.

 

[miketx]

I just want some rounds for my Dad's Winchester I just inherited, but between all the panic buying and then hunting season, there ain't any 30-30 around.
It is what it is, and I'm just going to be patient, because I sure as hell ain't paying $3 a round buying off gunbroker.

Dammit man, I feel bad. I'd give you a box if I weren't 1,000 miles away.

He had a few rounds in an old tub full of gear, but I'd say the boxes are at least 10 years old.
Probably just fine but I don't have any idea how they were stored and if I zero it with these, then I'm just going to be doing it again later when I get more rounds.

10 years is nothing. Hell, my uncle and I used WW2 and Korean War surplus into the 90s.

I've had 22 ammo that was 25 years old and it worked fine.

 

[Jarlaxle]

I've had 22 ammo that was 25 years old and it worked fine.

Just don't trust the boxes. From experience, .22 rounds will go absolutely everywhere.

 

[JGalt]

I just want some rounds for my Dad's Winchester I just inherited, but between all the panic buying and then hunting season, there ain't any 30-30 around.
It is what it is, and I'm just going to be patient, because I sure as hell ain't paying $3 a round buying off gunbroker.

Dammit man, I feel bad. I'd give you a box if I weren't 1,000 miles away.

He had a few rounds in an old tub full of gear, but I'd say the boxes are at least 10 years old.
Probably just fine but I don't have any idea how they were stored and if I zero it with these, then I'm just going to be doing it again later when I get more rounds.

10 years is nothing. Hell, my uncle and I used WW2 and Korean War surplus into the 90s.

I bought a USGI 50-caliber ammo box a few years ago that was full of 1942 headstamped M2 ball (30-06) ammunition in the 8-round enbloc clips the the M1 Garand. Every piece of that ammunition fired without a hiccup. had about 100 rounds of the same that was dated 1928, and every one of those fired too. They say the shelf-life of ammunition is supposed to 90 years or so, a little longer if it's kept in a cool dry environment.

 

[Jarlaxle]

I bought a USGI 50-caliber ammo box a few years ago that was full of 1942 headstamped M2 ball (30-06) ammunition in the 8-round enbloc clips the the M1 Garand. Every piece of that ammunition fired without a hiccup. had about 100 rounds of the same that was dated 1928, and every one of those fired too. They say the shelf-life of ammunition is supposed to 90 years or so, a little longer if it's kept in a cool dry environment.

Per my uncle (competition shooter, reloader), dry is MUCH more important than cool. 100 and dry is better than 60 and damp. The (airtight) ammo box certainly helps. I know when my uncle got bulk (almost always surplus) ammo in non-airtight boxes, the first thing he did was put it in somewhere dry (either air conditioned or with a dehumidifier) with silica gel. (He used to buy the packets by the 5-gallon bucket.) I remember cheap surplus stuff that he bought looking like someone had scooped it up and just dumped it into random boxes and buckets. (In hindsight...someone probably did just that.) Sometimes, there were pleasant surprises-we found four 1911 magazines (loaded with Army hardball rounds) in the bottom of a bucket of .30-06 rounds. They were scratched up, but I'm still using them.

 

[westwall]

Nothing to do with Biden and everything to do with scared dumb-asses buying up everything. "Biden gonna take my guns so I gotta buy more guns". Dumbasses. I pretty much had to quit shooting and hold on to what I have because panic buying has made the cost prohibitive.

Gosh you're dumb. It has nothing to do with that you clod.

 

[miketx]

Nothing to do with Biden and everything to do with scared dumb-asses buying up everything. "Biden gonna take my guns so I gotta buy more guns". Dumbasses. I pretty much had to quit shooting and hold on to what I have because panic buying has made the cost prohibitive.

Gosh you're dumb. It has nothing to do with that you clod.

He's just a lying shill.

 

[HenryBHough]

Locally a lot of the buying is not in preparation for the coming Xiden/Xarris confiscation.

It's simply stocking up on trade goods.

When the dollar is worth more as toilet paper than as currency a single found will buy a week's worth of meat. A full box? Maybe a near-new Harley.

 

[freyasman]

I pictured this at the local Walmart the other day. We live in a rural area where deer season is almost celebrated like Christmas. Let's see: Four boxes of .350 Remington Magnum, which nobody's ever heard of, and two other calibers of ammo which don't go to a rifle anyone owns. Fortunately for me, I handload in several different calibers, so no ammo shortage here. I have about 500 rounds of 30-06 using different weight bullets.

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Yeah but even the materials for hand loading are becoming extremely scarce and expensive now. It's crazy. Any time I see a pre-purchase backorder sale for decent ammo offered by Brownwells/OpticsPlanet/etc, I jump on it. It takes a little longer to arrive, but at least it's not costing 5x the market rate from a year ago.

I'm seeing that. Two months ago, the price for small pistol primers was about $3-$4 per hundred or $30-$40 per box of 1,000. Those are the ones used in 9mm ammo. None of the reloading supply places around here has them anymore and they're bringing up to $350 per thousand now. I did manage to score a decent stash of primers at some garage sales last summer, so I'm good.

Same thing with small rifle, large rifle, and large pistol magnum primers. They seem to be made of unobtanium now. I still have access to a wide variety of powders, thanks to a local gun shop that over-bought a couple years ago, but you have to take what you can get. No more Alliant 2400 or Unique for magnum handloads, but plenty of other brands and types. It's just time-consuming working up loads every time you change powder or bullet weight.

Plenty of Hodgdon Titegroup too, which is good for most any pistol calibers. It takes smaller charges but is wicked to work with, as a one/tenth of a grain increase can cause a massive pressure spike, and turn your pistol into a hand grenade.

Bullets are scarce too: Anything in a .355 diameter (9mm), especially the jacketed ones. There are still plenty of cast lead/tin bullets around made by ACME or other companies, and their Hy-Tek polymer-coated bullets are pretty good if you keep them below 1200 fps.

And then there are the two 5-gallon buckets of wheel weights behind the house. I have bullet molds for 9mm, 38 Special, .44 magnum, 30-06, British .303, and several muzzle-loading rifles and pistols, which use only pure lead. Plenty of Pyrodex powder and percussion caps for the muzzle-loaders.

As for commercial ammo, I spent the last ten years buying up what I could find at garage sales. Probably have 10,000 rounds of 7.62x39mm for the AK, and a bunch of other calibers I don't even have the gun for. Probably have too much .22 LR too.

No such thing as too much .22LR.

The only time there's such a thing as too much ammo, is when you're swimming or on fire.

 

[freyasman]

I just want some rounds for my Dad's Winchester I just inherited, but between all the panic buying and then hunting season, there ain't any 30-30 around.
It is what it is, and I'm just going to be patient, because I sure as hell ain't paying $3 a round buying off gunbroker.

Dammit man, I feel bad. I'd give you a box if I weren't 1,000 miles away.

He had a few rounds in an old tub full of gear, but I'd say the boxes are at least 10 years old.
Probably just fine but I don't have any idea how they were stored and if I zero it with these, then I'm just going to be doing it again later when I get more rounds.

10 years is nothing. Hell, my uncle and I used WW2 and Korean War surplus into the 90s.

It's not the time so much as I don't know how it was stored.

 

[Jarlaxle]

It's not the time so much as I don't know how it was stored.

The eye test usually works...is the brass tarnished?

 

[freyasman]

It's not the time so much as I don't know how it was stored.

The eye test usually works...is the brass tarnished?

Yeah, little bit.
And a bottle of solvent had leaked into the bottom of the tub, too. No telling what that may have done.