Israel attacks civilians

[Toddsterpatriot]

Wrong. Gaza is under Israeli occupation. It's not a war.

Don't tell me, tell Ima.

No, I told you. Deal with it.

Ima was the one who said it was war. Whine at him.

 

[ima]

Do the people of Gaza not choose terror against Israelis one time after another?

In case you've missed, Hamas is not an organization which resist the Israeli government or Israeli military.

It resists Israeli settlements, Israeli towns, and Israeli civilians.

How many causalties where the Hamas responsible for, that were leaders and soldiers, compared to casualties that were Israeli civilians?

All wars have civilian casualties. Get over it.

Gaza is at war with Israel?

Israel has been at war since its inception. They are occupying Gaza in the same way the Germans occupied Poland. During a war.

 

[Indofred]

All wars have civilian casualties. Get over it.

Gaza is at war with Israel?

Israel has been at war since its inception. They are occupying Gaza in the same way the Germans occupied Poland. During a war.

An inception preceded by terrorism.
You have to remember the first "IDF" were terrorist groups such as the Stern Gang.

America is supporting the results of terrorist murders. Unless the King David hotel bombing was an act of war.
American politicians tend to want such things forgotten so they can fight terrorism but not have to admit they support a state started with, and actively involved in, terrorism.

 

[Billo_Really]

Ima was the one who said it was war. Whine at him.

Do you not have the balls to own up to the things you say? You said, "Gaza was at war with Israel". Don't blame others for the things you say.

 

[Billo_Really]

Gaza hasn't been under Israeli occupation since 2005.

Bullshit. Israel has "effective control" of 80% of everything that goes into and out of Gaza. That satisfy's the definition of a "belligerant occupation".

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Ima was the one who said it was war. Whine at him.

Do you not have the balls to own up to the things you say? You said, "Gaza was at war with Israel". Don't blame others for the things you say.

No I didn't, you sniveling moron.
Try again?
Gaza is at war with Israel?

See that little thingy at the end? LOL!

 

[Billo_Really]

No I didn't, you sniveling moron.
Try again?
Gaza is at war with Israel?

See that little thingy at the end? LOL!

You're right!

Sorry, my bad!

 

[docmauser1]

Wrong. Gaza is under Israeli occupation. It's not a war.

Gazabadians are having occupation too, so as not to feel outdone by those west-bankers, of course.

 

[P F Tinmore]

GAZA, (PIC)-- Israeli occupation forces (IOF) raided central Gaza Strip areas to the east of Breij and Maghazi refugee camps on Wednesday, local sources said.

They told Quds Press that IOF soldiers in a number of tanks and armored vehicles advanced 400 meters into Palestinian land and opened heavy machinegun fire at Palestinian residential quarters.

They said that Palestinian resistance fighters fired a number of mortar shells at the invading force and an exchange of fire ensued with no casualties reported.

The raid coincided with IOF shelling of a number of others areas in Gaza.

IOF soldiers raid central Gaza, fire at other areas

 

[SAYIT]

Wrong. Gaza is under Israeli occupation. It's not a war.

Don't tell me, tell Ima.

No, I told you. Deal with it.

That's convenient.
One Israel-hater claims it's a war, another says it isn't.
Kinda covering all the bases just in case, eh?
I suggest you haters get together - a convention could be fun - and get your story straight.
Deal with that, Jackazz.

 

[SAYIT]

Ima was the one who said it was war. Whine at him.

Do you not have the balls to own up to the things you say? You said, "Gaza was at war with Israel". Don't blame others for the things you say.

Once again you must lie to fully express your mindless hate. Toddster questioned ("Gaza is at war with Israel?") in response to IMA's "All wars have civilian casualties."
You didn't just lie but you maliciously changed Toddster's post to serve your hate.
I'm not certain that is against the TOS here but I'm betting it is and though I'm not one to run to the Mods, there are certainly others who are. I'm hoping at least one of 'em drops a dime of you ya fuckin' skkkumbag.

 

[SAYIT]

Gaza hasn't been under Israeli occupation since 2005.

Bullshit. Israel has "effective control" of 80% of everything that goes into and out of Gaza. That satisfy's the definition of a "belligerant occupation".

That's according to you, Asshole, but the UN Security Council and even Hamas says you are full of camel crap.
BTW, do you have a current source which supports your "effective control of 80% of everything that goes in and out of Gaza" claim?

"The proposition that the Strip remains ‘occupied’ by Israel has recently been refuted by an unexpected source – a UN Security Council resolution on Libya."
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...tIHwAQ&usg=AFQjCNG9kq01v9JDLuWgtXbcjGhQDy3MtA

"Hamas co-founder Mahmoud Zahar confirmed Tuesday there is no Israeli occupation of Gaza, according to a report published by Ma’an, a Bethlehem- based Palestinian news agency."
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...94DYCQ&usg=AFQjCNHJjh4vIO-q2kznqqTN50a95M2Q6w

 

[irosie91]

say-it you do not understand-----the EXISTENCE of israel is an abomination to the jihadists and their supporters------it does not matter what Israelis do------JUST THE FACT THE THEY BREATHE is offensive ------got that?

 

[irosie91]

say-it you do not understand-----the EXISTENCE of israel is an abomination to the jihadists and their supporters------it does not matter what Israelis do------JUST THE FACT THE THEY BREATHE is offensive ------got that?

 

[Billo_Really]

That's according to you, Asshole, but the UN Security Council and even Hamas says you are full of camel crap.
BTW, do you have a current source which supports your "effective control of 80% of everything that goes in and out of Gaza" claim?

"The proposition that the Strip remains ‘occupied’ by Israel has recently been refuted by an unexpected source – a UN Security Council resolution on Libya."
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...tIHwAQ&usg=AFQjCNG9kq01v9JDLuWgtXbcjGhQDy3MtA

"Hamas co-founder Mahmoud Zahar confirmed Tuesday there is no Israeli occupation of Gaza, according to a report published by Ma’an, a Bethlehem- based Palestinian news agency."
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...94DYCQ&usg=AFQjCNHJjh4vIO-q2kznqqTN50a95M2Q6w

Okay, you want something current, I'll give you something current.

From the ICRC website, here's a map of the "current situation" regarding the occupied territories.



Notice that the map above includes Gaza. And the reason for that is this (also from the ICRC)...

2. When does the law of occupation start to apply?

The rules of international humanitarian law relevant to occupied territories become applicable whenever territory comes under the effective control of hostile foreign armed forces, even if the occupation meets no armed resistance and there is no fighting.

...a situation of occupation exists whenever a party to a conflict exercises some level of authority or control within foreign territory.

And that level of authority in this case, is the blockade on one side and the border crossings on the other. And the result of that "effective control" Israel is having on Gaza, can be summed up in the following ICRC report, which was written just one month ago...

Israel and the occupied territories:
06-02-2012 Operational Update

The Gaza closure, now in its fifth year, continued to affect all aspects of life in the coastal enclave and to remove any prospect of economic recovery despite some concessions made by the Israeli authorities. The lengthy permit process and the rigorous security checks required to exit Gaza, whether for treatment, education or training, remained a cause of particular concern. Gaza health-care facilities somehow managed to function in 2011 despite facing chronic shortages of drugs and disposables and lacking reliable sources of electricity and fuel.

It's safe to say when you "affect all aspects of life" within an area, you have "effective control" over that area, which in turn, defines this area as an "occupied territory".

Now if you're still not convinced and for some reason choose not to consider the ICRC the authority on this issue, you should be aware that the Israeli High Court of Justice also considers this area an "occupation".

The High Court has held contrary to Israel 's claim, stating that the creation and continuation of an occupation does not depend on the existence of an institution administering the lives of the local population, but only on the extent of its military control in the area. Furthermore, a certain area may be deemed occupied even if the army does not have a fixed presence throughout the whole area.

And for good measure, here's the Wikipedia entry on this issue...

Israel unilaterally disengaged from Gaza in September 2005, and declared itself no longer to be in occupation of the Strip. However, as it retains control of Gaza's airspace and coastline, it continues to be designated as an occupying power in the Gaza Strip by the United Nations Security Council, the United Nations General Assembly and some countries and various human rights organizations

I threw that last part in to prove that the UNSC does not support your position as you have claimed.

So in closing, the only thing you were right about was that yes, I am an asshole!

 

[SAYIT]

That's according to you, Asshole, but the UN Security Council and even Hamas says you are full of camel crap.
BTW, do you have a current source which supports your "effective control of 80% of everything that goes in and out of Gaza" claim?

"The proposition that the Strip remains ‘occupied’ by Israel has recently been refuted by an unexpected source – a UN Security Council resolution on Libya."
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...tIHwAQ&usg=AFQjCNG9kq01v9JDLuWgtXbcjGhQDy3MtA

"Hamas co-founder Mahmoud Zahar confirmed Tuesday there is no Israeli occupation of Gaza, according to a report published by Ma’an, a Bethlehem- based Palestinian news agency."
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...94DYCQ&usg=AFQjCNHJjh4vIO-q2kznqqTN50a95M2Q6w

Okay, you want something current, I'll give you something current.

From the ICRC website, here's a map of the "current situation" regarding the occupied territories.



Notice that the map above includes Gaza. And the reason for that is this (also from the ICRC)...

2. When does the law of occupation start to apply?

The rules of international humanitarian law relevant to occupied territories become applicable whenever territory comes under the effective control of hostile foreign armed forces, even if the occupation meets no armed resistance and there is no fighting.

...a situation of occupation exists whenever a party to a conflict exercises some level of authority or control within foreign territory.

And that level of authority in this case, is the blockade on one side and the border crossings on the other. And the result of that "effective control" Israel is having on Gaza, can be summed up in the following ICRC report, which was written just one month ago...
It's safe to say when you "affect all aspects of life" within an area, you have "effective control" over that area, which in turn, defines this area as an "occupied territory".

Now if you're still not convinced and for some reason choose not to consider the ICRC the authority on this issue, you should be aware that the Israeli High Court of Justice also considers this area an "occupation".

The High Court has held contrary to Israel 's claim, stating that the creation and continuation of an occupation does not depend on the existence of an institution administering the lives of the local population, but only on the extent of its military control in the area. Furthermore, a certain area may be deemed occupied even if the army does not have a fixed presence throughout the whole area.

And for good measure, here's the Wikipedia entry on this issue...

Israel unilaterally disengaged from Gaza in September 2005, and declared itself no longer to be in occupation of the Strip. However, as it retains control of Gaza's airspace and coastline, it continues to be designated as an occupying power in the Gaza Strip by the United Nations Security Council, the United Nations General Assembly and some countries and various human rights organizations

I threw that last part in to prove that the UNSC does not support your position as you have claimed.

So in closing, the only thing you were right about was that yes, I am an asshole!

Really?
According to Eugene Kontorovich, a professor at Northwestern University School of Law and Paula Kweskin a legal researcher, the Geneva Conventions, even in the broadest interpretation urged by the International Committee of the Red Cross, require that ground forces exercise “control within” the territory.
Moreover, an occupying power must be able to provide all governmental functions – to run things inside the occupied territory, not simply patrol the borders. Yet the de facto government of Hamas rules Gaza without Israeli intervention.
Furthermore, Israel does not control all of Gaza’s borders. While Egypt had chosen to keep its border with Gaza largely closed, this had nothing to do with Israel. And in the wake of Egyptian political changes, the Rafah border is now completely open, further hollowing the argument that it is Israel exercising control over entry to Gaza.
Finally, even those you claim to be "occupied" deny it. How do you explain that, Princess?
So as you can see, I am right about far more than just the fact that you're an asshole.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...tIHwAQ&usg=AFQjCNG9kq01v9JDLuWgtXbcjGhQDy3MtA

 

[SAYIT]

That's according to you, Asshole, but the UN Security Council and even Hamas says you are full of camel crap.
BTW, do you have a current source which supports your "effective control of 80% of everything that goes in and out of Gaza" claim?

"The proposition that the Strip remains ‘occupied’ by Israel has recently been refuted by an unexpected source – a UN Security Council resolution on Libya."
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...tIHwAQ&usg=AFQjCNG9kq01v9JDLuWgtXbcjGhQDy3MtA

"Hamas co-founder Mahmoud Zahar confirmed Tuesday there is no Israeli occupation of Gaza, according to a report published by Ma’an, a Bethlehem- based Palestinian news agency."
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...94DYCQ&usg=AFQjCNHJjh4vIO-q2kznqqTN50a95M2Q6w

Okay, you want something current, I'll give you something current.

From the ICRC website, here's a map of the "current situation" regarding the occupied territories.

Your source does not support your claim that Israel has "effective control of 80% of everything that goes in and out of Gaza."
Try again, Princess, or just admit your facts come directly from your bunghole.

 

[Billo_Really]

Really?
According to Eugene Kontorovich, a professor at Northwestern University School of Law and Paula Kweskin a legal researcher, the Geneva Conventions, even in the broadest interpretation urged by the International Committee of the Red Cross, require that ground forces exercise “control within” the territory.
Moreover, an occupying power must be able to provide all governmental functions – to run things inside the occupied territory, not simply patrol the borders. Yet the de facto government of Hamas rules Gaza without Israeli intervention.
Furthermore, Israel does not control all of Gaza’s borders. While Egypt had chosen to keep its border with Gaza largely closed, this had nothing to do with Israel. And in the wake of Egyptian political changes, the Rafah border is now completely open, further hollowing the argument that it is Israel exercising control over entry to Gaza.
Finally, even those you claim to be "occupied" deny it. How do you explain that, Princess?
So as you can see, I am right about far more than just the fact that you're an asshole.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...tIHwAQ&usg=AFQjCNG9kq01v9JDLuWgtXbcjGhQDy3MtA

I'm sorry, but the Israeli Supreme Court says you're full of shit!

 

[P F Tinmore]

Really?
According to Eugene Kontorovich, a professor at Northwestern University School of Law and Paula Kweskin a legal researcher, the Geneva Conventions, even in the broadest interpretation urged by the International Committee of the Red Cross, require that ground forces exercise “control within” the territory.
Moreover, an occupying power must be able to provide all governmental functions – to run things inside the occupied territory, not simply patrol the borders. Yet the de facto government of Hamas rules Gaza without Israeli intervention.
Furthermore, Israel does not control all of Gaza’s borders. While Egypt had chosen to keep its border with Gaza largely closed, this had nothing to do with Israel. And in the wake of Egyptian political changes, the Rafah border is now completely open, further hollowing the argument that it is Israel exercising control over entry to Gaza.
Finally, even those you claim to be "occupied" deny it. How do you explain that, Princess?
So as you can see, I am right about far more than just the fact that you're an asshole.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...tIHwAQ&usg=AFQjCNG9kq01v9JDLuWgtXbcjGhQDy3MtA

I'm sorry, but the Israeli Supreme Court says you're full of shit!

Israeli crossings.
Israel still controls everything and everybody through its crossings. Israel enters Gaza at will to kill anyone it likes and to destroy anything it likes.

Population registry
Israel still controls the population registry in Gaza.

Sea port
The Israeli navy patrols Palestine's territorial waters cutting off all traffic in that area.

Air traffic
Israel patrols Palestinian airspace and forbids all air traffic.

Rafah crossing
The Mubarak regime was paid by the US to do whatever Israel wanted. There have been some changes since his downfall.

Rafah is a personnel crossing only and has no facilities for commercial traffic so there are still no imports or exports through Rafah. Rafah still requires PA Authority passports that can only be issued to Palestinians who have Israeli issued ID cards.

 

[Billo_Really]

Israeli crossings.
Israel still controls everything and everybody through its crossings. Israel enters Gaza at will to kill anyone it likes and to destroy anything it likes.

Population registry
Israel still controls the population registry in Gaza.

Sea port
The Israeli navy patrols Palestine's territorial waters cutting off all traffic in that area.

Air traffic
Israel patrols Palestinian airspace and forbids all air traffic.

Rafah crossing
The Mubarak regime was paid by the US to do whatever Israel wanted. There have been some changes since his downfall.

Rafah is a personnel crossing only and has no facilities for commercial traffic so there are still no imports or exports through Rafah. Rafah still requires PA Authority passports that can only be issued to Palestinians who have Israeli issued ID cards.

Don't forget the one thing that actually made up the Israeli Supreme Courts mind on their decision, which is Gaza is completely dependent on Israel for electrical power.