Israel Burns Alive An 11 Month Old Palestinian Baby In Gaza Air Strike

[kvetch]

Rosie, Mata Ji Rabbi

can I distract you from your continuing jihad against sherri
and ask you a question about Judaism, please

it relates to other issues I am thinking about right now.

its about the jewish aspiration for the coming of the messiah............moschiach

Is the jewish Messiah

just the Messiah for jews alone?
For Jews and "the righteous of all nations"?
For the whole wicked world?

And is this messiah expected to rule over us or just those who revere him?

or are jews divided about this issue as they are on so many things?

BTW I have suspended plans and discussions about our haj
until peace reigns over Gaza and israel
hope that wont be too long......
I'd still like to go with you and angel too.
I now deeply regret taking her to task in the way I did.

 

[kvetch]

rosie said:

"Khartoum is very shariah adherent albeit not quite a caliphate----its government is very similar"

indeed there aint words bad enough to describe the govt of sudan

their leader is now an indicted war criminal because of Darfur but that's just the tip of a huge iceberg

 

[irosie91]

Mamzer dear----I have already packed the beans, lentils and spices for our trip and am debating between RICE OR BREAD OR BOTH

the best reading for you is ISAIAH which kinda describes what will be "in the days after" -----it is the one inscribed on the UN building wall too.
It is a kind of universal enlightement for the world----but the world still gets to
exist in its many nations -----just kinda enlightened ----they all give up bad stuff. I think this giving up bad stuff is a VERY REPETITIVE THEME in jewish literature and theology A really interesting factoid is that the book of JONAH is read on Yom Kippur ----year after year after year after year-----they never seem to change that same program -----year after year after year.
In any case JONAH comes way before "THE PROPHETS" it is an old book The theme of Jonah is---to my mind interestingly sophisticated. Jonah is a jew-----G-d tell him to go to NINEVEH----a city somewhere east of Israel----where people are bad to TEACH THEM NOT TO BE BAD. Jonah (which btw means DOVE) says "what the f%c* do I care about them"----then----Jonah learns in a very nice poetic----really pretty thing-----that G-d cares for ALL THE PEOPLE----of the world -----and its stuff-----even some cucumber that was growing nearby somehow ----believe it or not-----no one ever even bothers to mention that WHALE SWALLOWING THING---or only in passing.'

to answer your question----everything gets better "NATION (goy) SHALL NOT LIFT UP SWORD AGAINST NATION (goy) AND THEY SHALL NO LONGER STUDY THE WAYS OF WAR" and they all live happily ever after.

lo yisah GOY el GOY cherev----v' lo yimaldu od milchamah

guess which word is 'sword'

The order of the temple persists ----which is somehow very important according to Isaiah. Kings play only a ceremonial role------I guess since there are no more wars------WHO NEEDS THEM ? I think that is how they
determined the role of PRESIDENT in Israel-----its the PM who does everything-----the "president"----waves

 

[SAYIT]

Sayit

as one of the more rational zios here, can ask you something, please

you can reply by private message if you prefer

the tizzyfit between angel and me started because i oblected to her thankong a certain Syrenn for a sick and vicious taunt aganist bikoz, who is gazan and therefore vulnerable

Syrenn first made me feel like vomitting because she said she was jumping up and down like a sexually aroused cheer leader at all the IDF bombs killing gazans

you have been here far longer than me; is syrenn really so psychotic?

or just vivious?

You can ask me anything you like but if you must lie about what syreen said (as you have done in this instance) in order to make your case you will get only the disdainful response from me you so richly deserve. That her reaction would make you "feel like vomiting" may just have been a reaction to all the Nazi butts you lick here, Princess.

 

[kvetch]

Mamzer dear----I have already packed the beans, lentils and spices for our trip and am debating between RICE OR BREAD OR BOTH

the best reading for you is ISAIAH which kinda describes what will be "in the days after" -----it is the one inscribed on the UN building wall too.
It is a kind of universal enlightement for the world----but the world still gets to
exist in its many nations -----just kinda enlightened ----they all give up bad stuff. I think this giving up bad stuff is a VERY REPETITIVE THEME in jewish literature and theology A really interesting factoid is that the book of JONAH is read on Yom Kippur ----year after year after year after year-----they never seem to change that same program -----year after year after year.
In any case JONAH comes way before "THE PROPHETS" it is an old book The theme of Jonah is---to my mind interestingly sophisticated. Jonah is a jew-----G-d tell him to go to NINEVEH----a city somewhere east of Israel----where people are bad to TEACH THEM NOT TO BE BAD. Jonah (which btw means DOVE) says "what the f%c* do I care about them"----then----Jonah learns in a very nice poetic----really pretty thing-----that G-d cares for ALL THE PEOPLE----of the world -----and its stuff-----even some cucumber that was growing nearby somehow ----believe it or not-----no one ever even bothers to mention that WHALE SWALLOWING THING---or only in passing.'

to answer your question----everything gets better "NATION (goy) SHALL NOT LIFT UP SWORD AGAINST NATION (goy) AND THEY SHALL NO LONGER STUDY THE WAYS OF WAR" and they all live happily ever after.

lo yisah GOY el GOY cherev----v' lo yimaldu od milchamah

guess which word is 'sword'

The order of the temple persists ----which is somehow very important according to Isaiah. Kings play only a ceremonial role------I guess since there are no more wars------WHO NEEDS THEM ? I think that is how they
determined the role of PRESIDENT in Israel-----its the PM who does everything-----the "president"----waves

well i think rice would be better bikoz it will keep like the other things you cited
wheras bread goes stale; wheat grains would be ok if we could find a grinder

i love the books of isaiah; one of my faves and jonah too.

the experts in "textual analysis" say that isaiah is 2 books
one pre babylon, where gods are many
the 2nd half in babylon where for the very first time the jewish god
is the one and only god of all humanity

this led me to wonder if the jews had been influenced by their exile in a land ruled by zoros by the greater degree of monotheism that zoros might have had

I tried to research this but so far without success

would like to know what you and hunter, toomuchtime or anyone else reading this thinks

and thanks a lot, dearest for your time and wisdom

 

[SAYIT]

Capturing Shalit wasn't a terror attack, sorry Rosie, it's a response to Israeli attacks during 2006 that killed hundreds of Palestinians.

Fair enough, just as Jabari's demise and the current IDF operations in Gaza are in response to the hundreds of Gaza rockets and mortars. I don't agree with any retaliatory action that only leads to more violence but do you see a way for either side to get out of the cyclical violence?

 

[kvetch]

Sayit

as one of the more rational zios here, can ask you something, please

you can reply by private message if you prefer

the tizzyfit between angel and me started because i oblected to her thankong a certain Syrenn for a sick and vicious taunt aganist bikoz, who is gazan and therefore vulnerable

Syrenn first made me feel like vomitting because she said she was jumping up and down like a sexually aroused cheer leader at all the IDF bombs killing gazans

you have been here far longer than me; is syrenn really so psychotic?

or just vivious?

You can ask me anything you like but if you must lie about what syreen said (as you have done in this instance) in order to make your case you will get only the disdainful response from me you so richly deserve. That her reaction would make you "feel like vomiting" may just have been a reaction to all the Nazi butts you lick here, Princess.

well i could find that post of syrenn's but couldn'y be arsed

how do you feel when arabs dance at jewish tragedies?

what is so lacking here is any attempt by you or any zio to put yourself in anyone's shoes except jews shoes

which is dead against all jewish teachings

jews were the first to say, "love thy neighbour as thyself"

and the last to actually practise what they have preached...you included

 

[kvetch]

Capturing Shalit wasn't a terror attack, sorry Rosie, it's a response to Israeli attacks during 2006 that killed hundreds of Palestinians.

Fair enough, just as Jabari's demise and the current IDF operations in Gaza are in response to the hundreds of Gaza rockets and mortars. I don't agree with any retaliatory action that only lead to more violence but do you see a way for either side to get out of the cyclical violence?

if all israeli govts had taken that view of yours about retaliatory actions which lead to more violence then we would not be in this situation in gaza now

i would vote for you ar any govt which actually put such a view into practice

it aint just nut-yahoo's fault tho; I'm sure he knows what he is doing is futile

he and other political leaders have to deal with hysterical calls for revenge from media which only are doing it to sell papers and/or adverts

 

[irosie91]

Mamzer dear------if Gandhiji had his way----we would all be sitting on the floor weaving cloth

 

[SAYIT]

Sayit

as one of the more rational zios here, can ask you something, please

you can reply by private message if you prefer

the tizzyfit between angel and me started because i oblected to her thankong a certain Syrenn for a sick and vicious taunt aganist bikoz, who is gazan and therefore vulnerable

Syrenn first made me feel like vomitting because she said she was jumping up and down like a sexually aroused cheer leader at all the IDF bombs killing gazans

you have been here far longer than me; is syrenn really so psychotic?

or just vivious?

You can ask me anything you like but if you must lie about what syreen said (as you have done in this instance) in order to make your case you will get only the disdainful response from me you so richly deserve. That her reaction would make you "feel like vomiting" may just have been a reaction to all the Nazi butts you lick here, Princess.

well i could find that post of syrenn's but couldn'y be arsed

how do you feel when arabs dance at jewish tragedies?

what is so lacking here is any attempt by you or any zio to put yourself in anyone's shoes except jews shoes

which is dead against all jewish teachings

jews were the first to say, "love thy neighbour as thyself"

and the last to actually practise what they have preached...you included

1) That Arabs celebrate death and destruction is not my prob ... it's theirs.
2) I often try to put myself in other's shoes and do not consider one's religious affiliation when doing so.
3) I don't answer for others.
4) How do you know Syreen is Jewish? You are gradually becoming your boy Bikoz. That is very sad.

 

[irosie91]

mamzerji------the multiple god vs one ----thing gets difficult because of the weirdities of hebrew-----sometimes the PLURAL is used to indicate not an actual plural---but a SUPERLATIVE other weirdities-----"SEVEN" seem sometimes used to mean "several"
Jews seemed to see zoroastrianism as DUALISM not monotheism --- and rejected it as NOT MONOTHEISM ---------I had no intention of packing BREAD--------sacks of flour so you could do the PARATHA and CHAPPATIS I will bring oil too-----no butter----sorry------not even ghee. the desert is TOO DAMNED HOT no pali pooris------takes too much DAMNED OIL you could do a reasonable chappatis on a HOT ROCK we have to keep things simple------we have no idea what we will find there-------I don't think that they let you cook on the Kabaa---no matter how hot that rock gets

 

[kvetch]

Mamzer dear------if Gandhiji had his way----we would all be sitting on the floor weaving cloth

Rosie

about poverty, yes...gandhi has left india hugely poorer than if India had gone for capitalism and not his poverty worship and a vast socialist bureacracy

about non violence i disagree not totally but selectively

he managed single handed to stop bengal and calcutta erupting into the violence that punjab did during partition when over a million were slaughtered; and in that case the muslims were no better or worse than sikhs or hindus....actually the sikhs were the worst killers of the 3

i often wonder if gandhi had been the leader of the pals

and the arabs had accepted the partition, etc etc and not gone to war

what israel and palestine would look like now.................do you??

 

[SAYIT]

Capturing Shalit wasn't a terror attack, sorry Rosie, it's a response to Israeli attacks during 2006 that killed hundreds of Palestinians.

Fair enough, just as Jabari's demise and the current IDF operations in Gaza are in response to the hundreds of Gaza rockets and mortars. I don't agree with any retaliatory action that only lead to more violence but do you see a way for either side to get out of the cyclical violence?

if all israeli govts had taken that view of yours about retaliatory actions which lead to more violence then we would not be in this situation in gaza now

i would vote for you ar any govt which actually put such a view into practice

it aint just nut-yahoo's fault tho; I'm sure he knows what he is doing is futile

he and other political leaders have to deal with hysterical calls for revenge from media which only are doing it to sell papers and/or adverts

You make the same mistake Bikoz does (and for a while you almost seemed intelligent).
This is not a one-sided conflict but you, of course, blame only Israel. Have you noticed the calm on Israel's Eastern border? Might that not be as a result of Fatah policies?

 

[kvetch]

You can ask me anything you like but if you must lie about what syreen said (as you have done in this instance) in order to make your case you will get only the disdainful response from me you so richly deserve. That her reaction would make you "feel like vomiting" may just have been a reaction to all the Nazi butts you lick here, Princess.

well i could find that post of syrenn's but couldn'y be arsed

how do you feel when arabs dance at jewish tragedies?

what is so lacking here is any attempt by you or any zio to put yourself in anyone's shoes except jews shoes

which is dead against all jewish teachings

jews were the first to say, "love thy neighbour as thyself"

and the last to actually practise what they have preached...you included

1) That Arabs celebrate death and destruction is not my prob ... it's theirs.
2) I often try to put myself in other's shoes and do not consider one's religious affiliation when doing so.
3) I don't answer for others.
4) How do you know Syreen is Jewish? You are gradually becoming your boy Bikoz. That is very sad.

i never said syrenn was jewish...only a zionut

what she actually said was that she felt like jumping up and down when israel killed al jabari and although she didn't like sports, she could now understand for the first time how sports fans felt

then.....latin words for light and truth....that was actually what made e feel sick.....the contrast between those two

i have a soft spot for bikoz because I happen to know he has been in gaza under fire and so i make allowances for him
exactly as i do for Lipush for the same reason

i always try to like people and not condemn them for holding views i strongly disagree with

the only 2 posters here i really cant stand are syrenn and artful codger who is usually on the same side of the argument as i am

it aint about views; its about humans

 

[irosie91]

Mamzer dear------if Gandhiji had his way----we would all be sitting on the floor weaving cloth

Rosie

about poverty, yes...gandhi has left india hugely poorer than if India had gone for capitalism and not his poverty worship and a vast socialist bureacracy

about non violence i disagree not totally but selectively

he managed single handed to stop bengal and calcutta erupting into the violence that punjab did during partition when over a million were slaughtered; and in that case the muslims were no better or worse than sikhs or hindus....actually the sikhs were the worst killers of the 3

i often wonder if gandhi had been the leader of the pals

and the arabs had accepted the partition, etc etc and not gone to war

what israel and palestine would look like now.................do you??

we would all be sitting on the floor-----eating rice and dhal right handed
since I am left handed----I would die of starvation

 

[SAYIT]

Mamzer dear------if Gandhiji had his way----we would all be sitting on the floor weaving cloth

Rosie

about poverty, yes...gandhi has left india hugely poorer than if India had gone for capitalism and not his poverty worship and a vast socialist bureacracy

about non violence i disagree not totally but selectively

he managed single handed to stop bengal and calcutta erupting into the violence that punjab did during partition when over a million were slaughtered; and in that case the muslims were no better or worse than sikhs or hindus....actually the sikhs were the worst killers of the 3

i often wonder if gandhi had been the leader of the pals

and the arabs had accepted the partition, etc etc and not gone to war

what israel and palestine would look like now.................do you??

That is the real Arab tragedy. They could have eaten their cake and had it, too. The UN proposed Israeli Bantustans would have had to confederate with one of its Arab neighbors to survive. Normal regional population growth and movements would have meant the end of Israel as a Jewish Homeland within 20 years. It was the actions of the Arab World in 1947 and 1948 which have enabled the Israel we see today. Karma is indeed a bitch.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

No it isn't. You should read the bible sometime.

Zechariah 8:

14 This is what the Lord Almighty says: “Just as I4: 8 had determined to bring disaster on you and showed no pity when your ancestors angered me,” says the Lord Almighty, 15 “so now I have determined to do good again to Jerusalem and Judah. Do not be afraid. 16 These are the things you are to do: Speak the truth to each other, and render true and sound judgment in your courts; 17 do not plot evil against each other, and do not love to swear falsely. I hate all this,” declares the Lord.

The God of The New Testament says something else. "God is love." 1 John 4: 8 If we could but all understand that, imagine what our world could be!

The recognized authorities on the new testament who created the "HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE" (the first reich ---first emperor CONSTANTINE) founded the laws that legalized genocide ---found in the JUSTINIAN CODE and later sponsored the INQUISITION -----which later morphed into the THIRD REICH----using essentially the same laws to legalize the genocides of the world war II era. We do not have to imagine ----sherri-----we already know what Reich one, Reich two and Reich three ----brought to the world-----massive genocides

the islamic version of Reich----is "caliphate" ------and includes the same LEGALIZATION OF GENOCIDE LAWS Khartoum is very shariah adherent albeit not quite a caliphate----its government is very similar

irosie,

Your twisted beliefs about History and who did what in it have no relevance at all to addressing the character of God, who is Love. Thinking about my logic class, taken years ago, God is love, also means love is God.

Love is not expressed in the burning to death of an 11 month old baby.

And it is not love, no matter who carries out such killing acts!

Here is a photo of the baby burned to death by Israel addreesed in the Opening Post, before Israel burned him to death. His father worked for the BBC as a Journalist.

Sherri

 

[kvetch]

Fair enough, just as Jabari's demise and the current IDF operations in Gaza are in response to the hundreds of Gaza rockets and mortars. I don't agree with any retaliatory action that only lead to more violence but do you see a way for either side to get out of the cyclical violence?

if all israeli govts had taken that view of yours about retaliatory actions which lead to more violence then we would not be in this situation in gaza now

i would vote for you ar any govt which actually put such a view into practice

it aint just nut-yahoo's fault tho; I'm sure he knows what he is doing is futile

he and other political leaders have to deal with hysterical calls for revenge from media which only are doing it to sell papers and/or adverts

You make the same mistake Bikoz does (and for a while you almost seemed intelligent).
This is not a one-sided conflict but you, of course, blame only Israel. Have you noticed the calm on Israel's Eastern border? Might that not be as a result of Fatah policies?

sayit

I have said many times that both hamas and israel are playing the same or similar dirty political game and using their own civilians as pawns

israel is a repeat offender at killing those on the hamas side that it has actually done successful "business" with such as Yassin and now Al Jabari

whoever replaces him is likely to be worse, and now gaza has a new govt in egypt

israel cant do now what it could before with a puppet in cairo
and you now have al qa'ida in sinai too

however the brotherhood is just as riven with competing factions who will play the same games and power struggles,

so i aint optimistic that they are any more friends of the ordinary gazans than the previous regime

 

[kvetch]

Mamzer dear------if Gandhiji had his way----we would all be sitting on the floor weaving cloth

Rosie

about poverty, yes...gandhi has left india hugely poorer than if India had gone for capitalism and not his poverty worship and a vast socialist bureacracy

about non violence i disagree not totally but selectively

he managed single handed to stop bengal and calcutta erupting into the violence that punjab did during partition when over a million were slaughtered; and in that case the muslims were no better or worse than sikhs or hindus....actually the sikhs were the worst killers of the 3

i often wonder if gandhi had been the leader of the pals

and the arabs had accepted the partition, etc etc and not gone to war

what israel and palestine would look like now.................do you??

we would all be sitting on the floor-----eating rice and dhal right handed
since I am left handed----I would die of starvation

dont worry sweetie

i would lovingly feed you with my right hand!

 

[kvetch]

The God of The New Testament says something else. "God is love." 1 John 4: 8 If we could but all understand that, imagine what our world could be!

The recognized authorities on the new testament who created the "HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE" (the first reich ---first emperor CONSTANTINE) founded the laws that legalized genocide ---found in the JUSTINIAN CODE and later sponsored the INQUISITION -----which later morphed into the THIRD REICH----using essentially the same laws to legalize the genocides of the world war II era. We do not have to imagine ----sherri-----we already know what Reich one, Reich two and Reich three ----brought to the world-----massive genocides

the islamic version of Reich----is "caliphate" ------and includes the same LEGALIZATION OF GENOCIDE LAWS Khartoum is very shariah adherent albeit not quite a caliphate----its government is very similar

irosie,

Your twisted beliefs about History and who did what in it have no relevance at all to addressing the character of God, who is Love. Thinking about my logic class, taken years ago, God is love, also means love is God.

Love is not expressed in the burning to death of an 11 month old baby.

And it is not love, no matter who carries out such killing acts!

Here is a photo of the baby burned to death by Israel addreesed in the Opening Post, before Israel burned him to death. His father worked for the BBC as a Journalist.

Sherri

Sherri said:

the character of God, who is Love.
Thinking about my logic class, taken years ago, God is love, also means love is God.

kvetch says:

i wish they had said that to me when i was a born again christian teenager
i had a terrible inner struggle between the bible and my hormones and the girl i loved then

i had to leave christianity and travel all the way to india
and it was my guru there who told me
in a rare one to one session
exactly what you just figured out
love is god

no-one had ever said that to me before

if you do indeed teach sunday school
please teach that and that alone
preach it, sing and dance it, everything you can

by the way, have you responded to my post to you about healing,
earlier in this thread on page 11 i think;
i actually wrote down what page it was

i look forward to your reply
its likely to reward you far more
than your sterile exchange with rosie