Israeli forces shoot unarmed protesters from across Gaza security fence, killing at least 15

[Roudy]

If the Muslims moved to Israel and the Jews moved to Gaza, the Jews would create a paradise within 5 years and the Muslims would turn Israel into a shithole in 2 years.

And then the "Palestinians" would be attacking Gaza once again.

 

[Billo_Really]

Let’s agree that you will be among the first to fly “Islamic Terrorist Airways”. Hamas and Islamic gee-had will be responsible for airport security.

Have a nice flight.

What Israel is doing is disgusting.

 

[Shusha]

Let’s agree that you will be among the first to fly “Islamic Terrorist Airways”. Hamas and Islamic gee-had will be responsible for airport security.

Have a nice flight.

What Israel is doing is disgusting.

Protecting your border from a riot is disgusting?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Israeli forces shoot unarmed protesters from across Gaza security fence, killing at least 15
※→ Billo_Really, et al,

Yes, you say that. But you actually don't apply common sense.

SO,,,, Without jumping into a tirade and immediately start an unsubstantiated denunciation of the Israeli position to defend their sovereign border → WHY don't you show us what law the Israelis have violated.

Of course, without the abusive language and tone...

Let’s agree that you will be among the first to fly “Islamic Terrorist Airways”. Hamas and Islamic gee-had will be responsible for airport security.

Have a nice flight.

What Israel is doing is disgusting.

(COMMENT)

Pick a point and defend it by explaining in Customary and International Humanitarian Law what the Israelis did that was so offensive and illegal.

If you think the Border in which the Israelis defend is illegal; then say so and cite the authority for that position.

If you think the Israelis cannot legally use force to defend their border, then say so, and cite the authority that supports that position.

BUT, no one here learns anything because you never defend your position in a rationale manner.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Israeli forces shoot unarmed protesters from across Gaza security fence, killing at least 15
※→ Billo_Really, et al,

Yes, you say that. But you actually don't apply common sense.

SO,,,, Without jumping into a tirade and immediately start an unsubstantiated denunciation of the Israeli position to defend their sovereign border → WHY don't you show us what law the Israelis have violated.

Of course, without the abusive language and tone...

Let’s agree that you will be among the first to fly “Islamic Terrorist Airways”. Hamas and Islamic gee-had will be responsible for airport security.

Have a nice flight.

What Israel is doing is disgusting.

(COMMENT)

Pick a point and defend it by explaining in Customary and International Humanitarian Law what the Israelis did that was so offensive and illegal.

If you think the Border in which the Israelis defend is illegal; then say so and cite the authority for that position.

If you think the Israelis cannot legally use force to defend their border, then say so, and cite the authority that supports that position.

BUT, no one here learns anything because you never defend your position in a rationale manner.

Most Respectfully,
R

If you think the Border in which the Israelis defend is illegal; then say so and cite the authority for that position.

The line around Gaza is the 1949 armistice line that was specifically not to be a political or territorial boundary. It ran through Palestine without demarcating any division of territory.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

RE: Israeli forces shoot unarmed protesters from across Gaza security fence, killing at least 15
※→ Billo_Really, et al,

Yes, you say that. But you actually don't apply common sense.

SO,,,, Without jumping into a tirade and immediately start an unsubstantiated denunciation of the Israeli position to defend their sovereign border → WHY don't you show us what law the Israelis have violated.

Of course, without the abusive language and tone...

Let’s agree that you will be among the first to fly “Islamic Terrorist Airways”. Hamas and Islamic gee-had will be responsible for airport security.

Have a nice flight.

What Israel is doing is disgusting.

(COMMENT)

Pick a point and defend it by explaining in Customary and International Humanitarian Law what the Israelis did that was so offensive and illegal.

If you think the Border in which the Israelis defend is illegal; then say so and cite the authority for that position.

If you think the Israelis cannot legally use force to defend their border, then say so, and cite the authority that supports that position.

BUT, no one here learns anything because you never defend your position in a rationale manner.

Most Respectfully,
R

If you think the Border in which the Israelis defend is illegal; then say so and cite the authority for that position.

The line around Gaza is the 1949 armistice line that was specifically not to be a political or territorial boundary. It ran through Palestine without demarcating any division of territory.

And yet, never been a nation of Palestine........

 

[RoccoR]

))RE: Israeli forces shoot unarmed protesters from across Gaza security fence, killing at least 15
※→ P F Tinmore, Billo_Really, et al,

The 1949 Armistice Line around the Gaza Strip was established by the Armistice Agreement between the Egyptian Military Command and the Israeli Defense Force (See: Article XII(2) • S/1264/Corr.123 February 1949); as arranged by the UN Armistice Commission. That Line is now (and has been for a very long time) dissolved. The Armistice Line, in that regard, sank into the annals of history with the establishment of the "permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel" found in Article II of the Treaty of Peace between the Arab Republic of Egypt and the State of Israel, 26 March 1979.

Yes, you say that. But you actually don't apply common sense.

SO,,,, Without jumping into a tirade and immediately start an unsubstantiated denunciation of the Israeli position to defend their sovereign border → WHY don't you show us what law the Israelis have violated.

Of course, without the abusive language and tone...

Let’s agree that you will be among the first to fly “Islamic Terrorist Airways”. Hamas and Islamic gee-had will be responsible for airport security.

Have a nice flight.

What Israel is doing is disgusting.

(COMMENT)

Pick a point and defend it by explaining in Customary and International Humanitarian Law what the Israelis did that was so offensive and illegal.

If you think the Border in which the Israelis defend is illegal; then say so and cite the authority for that position.

If you think the Israelis cannot legally use force to defend their border, then say so, and cite the authority that supports that position.

BUT, no one here learns anything because you never defend your position in a rationale manner.

Most Respectfully,
R

If you think the Border in which the Israelis defend is illegal; then say so and cite the authority for that position.

The line around Gaza is the 1949 armistice line that was specifically not to be a political or territorial boundary. It ran through Palestine without demarcating any division of territory.

(COMMENT)

Point: The current boundary between Egypt and Israel follows the demarcation line "former mandated territory of Palestine" (sic). Under the Treaty (without prejudice to the issue of the status of the Gaza Strip) makes no distinction between the Gaza Strip and Israel. The only reason the Gaza Strip has a boundary as all is because it was marked-out by Israel (established demarcation - See the A/49/180-S/1994/727 Gaza Jericho Agreement 20 June 1994 - and - A/51/889-S/1997/357 Israeli-Palestinian Interim Agreement on the West Bank and the Gaza Strip OSLO II Accord 28 September 1995) and maintained under the 5th subparagraph of the First Proclamation in the Declaration of Principles (A/RES/25/2625) (DOP):

"Every State likewise has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect. Nothing in the foregoing shall be construed as prejudicing the positions of the parties concerned with regard to the status and effects of such lines under their special regimes or as affecting their temporary character."​

You can put that Armistice Agreement nonsense away. While it was never a permanent boundary, it was a demarcation under the DOP and had the same protections as a boundary under the DOP. It is good historical context, but because of the Arab Palestinian - Israeli Conflict, and the numerous failed attempts at a permanent peace, its relevance has diminished greatly.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

))RE: Israeli forces shoot unarmed protesters from across Gaza security fence, killing at least 15
※→ P F Tinmore, Billo_Really, et al,

The 1949 Armistice Line around the Gaza Strip was established by the Armistice Agreement between the Egyptian Military Command and the Israeli Defense Force (See: Article XII(2) • S/1264/Corr.123 February 1949); as arranged by the UN Armistice Commission. That Line is now (and has been for a very long time) dissolved. The Armistice Line, in that regard, sank into the annals of history with the establishment of the "permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel" found in Article II of the Treaty of Peace between the Arab Republic of Egypt and the State of Israel, 26 March 1979.

Yes, you say that. But you actually don't apply common sense.

SO,,,, Without jumping into a tirade and immediately start an unsubstantiated denunciation of the Israeli position to defend their sovereign border → WHY don't you show us what law the Israelis have violated.

Of course, without the abusive language and tone...

Let’s agree that you will be among the first to fly “Islamic Terrorist Airways”. Hamas and Islamic gee-had will be responsible for airport security.

Have a nice flight.

What Israel is doing is disgusting.

(COMMENT)

Pick a point and defend it by explaining in Customary and International Humanitarian Law what the Israelis did that was so offensive and illegal.

If you think the Border in which the Israelis defend is illegal; then say so and cite the authority for that position.

If you think the Israelis cannot legally use force to defend their border, then say so, and cite the authority that supports that position.

BUT, no one here learns anything because you never defend your position in a rationale manner.

Most Respectfully,
R

If you think the Border in which the Israelis defend is illegal; then say so and cite the authority for that position.

The line around Gaza is the 1949 armistice line that was specifically not to be a political or territorial boundary. It ran through Palestine without demarcating any division of territory.

(COMMENT)

Point: The current boundary between Egypt and Israel follows the demarcation line "former mandated territory of Palestine" (sic). Under the Treaty (without prejudice to the issue of the status of the Gaza Strip) makes no distinction between the Gaza Strip and Israel. The only reason the Gaza Strip has a boundary as all is because it was marked-out by Israel (established demarcation - See the A/49/180-S/1994/727 Gaza Jericho Agreement 20 June 1994 - and - A/51/889-S/1997/357 Israeli-Palestinian Interim Agreement on the West Bank and the Gaza Strip OSLO II Accord 28 September 1995) and maintained under the 5th subparagraph of the First Proclamation in the Declaration of Principles (A/RES/25/2625) (DOP):

"Every State likewise has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect. Nothing in the foregoing shall be construed as prejudicing the positions of the parties concerned with regard to the status and effects of such lines under their special regimes or as affecting their temporary character."​

You can put that Armistice Agreement nonsense away. While it was never a permanent boundary, it was a demarcation under the DOP and had the same protections as a boundary under the DOP. It is good historical context, but because of the Arab Palestinian - Israeli Conflict, and the numerous failed attempts at a permanent peace, its relevance has diminished greatly.

Most Respectfully,
R

The DOP was not a treaty defining borders.

The armistice lines around the West Bank and Gaza ran through Palestine.

 

[Billo_Really]

Protecting your border from a riot is disgusting?

You need to tell your government to knock this shit off! It is none of your goddamn business what goes on in Gaza. You have no right to imprison 2 million people. These people are not rioters. They are protesters. And they are protesting your treatment of them.

 

[Billo_Really]

RE: Israeli forces shoot unarmed protesters from across Gaza security fence, killing at least 15
※→ Billo_Really, et al,

Yes, you say that. But you actually don't apply common sense.

SO,,,, Without jumping into a tirade and immediately start an unsubstantiated denunciation of the Israeli position to defend their sovereign border → WHY don't you show us what law the Israelis have violated.

Of course, without the abusive language and tone...

Let’s agree that you will be among the first to fly “Islamic Terrorist Airways”. Hamas and Islamic gee-had will be responsible for airport security.

Have a nice flight.

What Israel is doing is disgusting.

(COMMENT)

Pick a point and defend it by explaining in Customary and International Humanitarian Law what the Israelis did that was so offensive and illegal.

If you think the Border in which the Israelis defend is illegal; then say so and cite the authority for that position.

If you think the Israelis cannot legally use force to defend their border, then say so, and cite the authority that supports that position.

BUT, no one here learns anything because you never defend your position in a rationale manner.

Most Respectfully,
R

Your bullshit gets old. Shooting unarmed protesters is not defending Israels border. And an occupational force cannot claim self defense. We've been through all this before, that's why I say, enough is enough. It's time for military action against Israel to drive the goddamn Israeli's out of the territories they've occupied since the '67 war.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

RE: Israeli forces shoot unarmed protesters from across Gaza security fence, killing at least 15
※→ Billo_Really, et al,

Yes, you say that. But you actually don't apply common sense.

SO,,,, Without jumping into a tirade and immediately start an unsubstantiated denunciation of the Israeli position to defend their sovereign border → WHY don't you show us what law the Israelis have violated.

Of course, without the abusive language and tone...

Let’s agree that you will be among the first to fly “Islamic Terrorist Airways”. Hamas and Islamic gee-had will be responsible for airport security.

Have a nice flight.

What Israel is doing is disgusting.

(COMMENT)

Pick a point and defend it by explaining in Customary and International Humanitarian Law what the Israelis did that was so offensive and illegal.

If you think the Border in which the Israelis defend is illegal; then say so and cite the authority for that position.

If you think the Israelis cannot legally use force to defend their border, then say so, and cite the authority that supports that position.

BUT, no one here learns anything because you never defend your position in a rationale manner.

Most Respectfully,
R

Your bullshit gets old. Shooting unarmed protesters is not defending Israels border. And an occupational force cannot claim self defense. We've been through all this before, that's why I say, enough is enough. It's time for military action against Israel to drive the goddamn Israeli's out of the territories they've occupied since the '67 war.

It's time for military action against Israel to drive the goddamn Israeli's out of the territories they've occupied since the '67 war.

That's funny! Which of their neighbors are you volunteering for more territory loss?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

RE: Israeli forces shoot unarmed protesters from across Gaza security fence, killing at least 15
※→ Billo_Really, et al,

Yes, you say that. But you actually don't apply common sense.

SO,,,, Without jumping into a tirade and immediately start an unsubstantiated denunciation of the Israeli position to defend their sovereign border → WHY don't you show us what law the Israelis have violated.

Of course, without the abusive language and tone...

Let’s agree that you will be among the first to fly “Islamic Terrorist Airways”. Hamas and Islamic gee-had will be responsible for airport security.

Have a nice flight.

What Israel is doing is disgusting.

(COMMENT)

Pick a point and defend it by explaining in Customary and International Humanitarian Law what the Israelis did that was so offensive and illegal.

If you think the Border in which the Israelis defend is illegal; then say so and cite the authority for that position.

If you think the Israelis cannot legally use force to defend their border, then say so, and cite the authority that supports that position.

BUT, no one here learns anything because you never defend your position in a rationale manner.

Most Respectfully,
R

Your bullshit gets old. Shooting unarmed protesters is not defending Israels border. And an occupational force cannot claim self defense. We've been through all this before, that's why I say, enough is enough. It's time for military action against Israel to drive the goddamn Israeli's out of the territories they've occupied since the '67 war.

THEY WERE NOT UNARMED. Every dead pal was wielding a weapon, slingshot Molotov cocktail or grenade. Do keep up RETARD.

 

[Shusha]

It is none of your goddamn business what goes on in Gaza. You have no right to imprison 2 million people. These people are not rioters. They are protesters. And they are protesting your treatment of them.

I agree wholeheartedly that it is none of Israel's business what goes on in Gaza. You have no idea how much I agree with you. There is SO much not-Israel-business because Israel withdrew and essentially ceded the territory to the Arab Palestinians more than ten years ago. Removed not only the occupation, but every single last Jew. Gaza is the closest thing to an independent, self-governing State that the Palestinians have. There are multiple borders with other sovereigns for economic trade and passage for people. There is NO border dispute with Israel or with Egypt. There are ample resources and opportunities for development and economic growth -- agriculture, tourism, natural gas, industrialization agreements with Israel. The sooner Gaza has full sovereignty and a thriving economy -- the better.

The question remains -- why does Gaza not have this already?!

Here's the answer:

Because the leader of the government in Gaza stated at the riot *cough cough* protest (paraphrased):

"We are going to to break down the fence and march to Jerusalem tearing out the hearts of Jews along the way."

And then dozens or hundreds of rioters with lethal weapons attempted to do just that.

THAT, my friend, is why Gaza is not a sovereign, independent State.

And it is absolutely UNCONSCIONABLE that people like you and Humanity refuse to condemn the violence of both word and deed.

 

[Shusha]

Your bullshit gets old. Shooting unarmed protesters is not defending Israels border. And an occupational force cannot claim self defense. We've been through all this before, that's why I say, enough is enough. It's time for military action against Israel to drive the goddamn Israeli's out of the territories they've occupied since the '67 war.

Newsflash. Israel is not occupying Gaza. Hasn't for more than a decade.

What you are asking for, then, is an end to the blockade and an open border with Israel. Not going to happen without a regular commitment by the government of Gaza to renounce violence and accept Israel as her neighbor.

Why won't they do that?

 

[Humanity]

RE: Israeli forces shoot unarmed protesters from across Gaza security fence, killing at least 15
※→ Humanity, et al,

The "right to resist" is not the issue. The issue is about directing actual "violence" directed against the "Occupying Power."

And in the meantime, are you going to condemn the violence and the incitement to violence committed against Israel? I suspect you will not. I suspect you, like others here, feel that Arabs have the right to "resist" while Jews do not have the right to defend themselves. I suspect that you hold double standards with respect to use of force -- one set of rules for Israel and one for others. You are just more careful than others to reveal it.

As you well know, I have always condemned the Hamas regime for many things, including violence.

However, yes, the Palestinians DO have a right to resist. Hell, if they didn't Israel would be much larger than it is already! Legally or otherwise!

As you well know, I have said that Israel has the right to defend itself. No double standards from me on that one!

The issues I have are the excessive use of force by Israel. Something that you will not accept.

And you accuse me of double standards!

Both you and I know that there is such an imbalance of 'forces' yet you consider that tanks are an acceptable answer to stones and slingshots... Want to discuss double standards?

(COMMENT)

I would like to remind you if the obligations under the International Human Rights Law/

※ Article 68 ※ Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.

Protected persons (Arab Palestinians) who commit an offence which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power (Israel), but which does not constitute an attempt on the life or limb of members of the occupying forces or administration, nor a grave collective danger, nor seriously damage the property of the occupying forces or administration or the installations used by them, shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offence committed. Furthermore, internment or imprisonment shall, for such offences, be the only measure adopted for depriving protected persons of liberty. The courts provided for under Article 66 of the present Convention may at their discretion convert a sentence of imprisonment to one of internment for the same period.
The penal provisions promulgated by the Occupying Power (Israel) in accordance with Articles 64 and 65 may impose the death penalty on a protected person (Arab Palestinians) only in cases where the person is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power (Israel) or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons, provided that such offences were punishable by death under the law of the occupied territory in force before the occupation began.
The death penalty may not be pronounced against a protected person unless the attention of the court has been particularly called to the fact that since the accused is not a national of the Occupying Power, he is not bound to it by any duty of allegiance.
In any case, the death penalty may not be pronounced against a protected person who was under eighteen years of age at the time of the offence.​

※ Article 75 ※ Fundamental Guarantees Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, and relating to the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts (Protocol I)

1. In so far as they are affected by a situation referred to in Article 1 [ Link ] of this Protocol, persons who are in the power of a Party to the conflict and who do not benefit from more favourable treatment under the Conventions or under this Protocol shall be treated humanely in all circumstances and shall enjoy, as a minimum, the protection provided by this Article without any adverse distinction based upon race, colour, sex, language, religion or belief, political or other opinion, national or social origin, wealth, birth or other status, or on any other similar criteria. Each Party shall respect the person, honour, convictions and religious practices of all such persons.

2. The following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever, whether committed by civilian or by military agents:

(a) violence to the life, health, or physical or mental well-being of persons, in particular:

(i) murder;

(ii) torture of all kinds, whether physical or mental;

(iii) corporal punishment; and

(iv) mutilation;
​

(b) outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment, enforced prostitution and any form of indecent assault;

(c) the taking of hostages;

(d) collective punishments; and

(e) threats to commit any of the foregoing acts.​

This is what is meant by the "Rule of Law." What the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) must understand, is that if they commit an act, that would be a crime in any other reasonable circumstance, that it would also be a crime in the occupied territories. There is a consequence to thei ractions and they are obliged to pay it.

Most Respectfully,
R

That is funny...

Quoting Geneva Conventions to support Israel! hahahaha

Where does it say in the Geneva Conventions that its ok to use tanks against civilians?

When planting a bomb one is NO LONGER a civilian.

Still waiting to see something, anything, that supports your claim!

 

[Humanity]

Post a video of the farmer, the day before the march started, planting a bomb under the fence. Post a video of other means being used before the "last resort".

Ah. So that is your standard for international law concerning the use of lethal force? That no use of lethal force may be used without video proof of surveillance with evidence of lethal weapons and of the escalating deterrents? And that standard for each individual death doesn't seem...well, just the smallest bit ridiculous to you?

I know, let's look at your "last resort".... What, to you, is "last resort"?

You can bitch and bleat as much as you like... No one, including you, has been able to show any proof that the farmer killed the day before the march, by tank shelling, was attempting anything!

Team Israel quoting international law, Geneva Conventions, international 'standards' as some kind of defense has to be the biggest joke of the year...

 

[Hollie]

Post a video of the farmer, the day before the march started, planting a bomb under the fence. Post a video of other means being used before the "last resort".

Ah. So that is your standard for international law concerning the use of lethal force? That no use of lethal force may be used without video proof of surveillance with evidence of lethal weapons and of the escalating deterrents? And that standard for each individual death doesn't seem...well, just the smallest bit ridiculous to you?

I know, let's look at your "last resort".... What, to you, is "last resort"?

You can bitch and bleat as much as you like... No one, including you, has been able to show any proof that the farmer killed the day before the march, by tank shelling, was attempting anything!

Team Israel quoting international law, Geneva Conventions, international 'standards' as some kind of defense has to be the biggest joke of the year...

In your rush to condemn the Joooooos, you fail to realize that the "farmer" had been observed performing suspicious activity, on two occasions, at night. Farming is not generally done under cover of darkness. Additionally, you fail to realize that the actions of the farmer were done in the context of imminent riots and attempts to breach israeli border areas announced by Hamas. In that context, getting anywhere near a military zone, at night, is the definition of poor judgement.

I tend to agree that holding Israel to standards of international law and Geneva Convention standards is reasonable. I see nothing to suggest any breach of those standards.

I also agree that Team Islamic Terrorist Huggers make no pretense that holding islamic terrorists to standards of international law and Geneva Convention protocols makes a lot of sense. Islamic terrorists are allowed an exception to all standards of moral and ethical behavior because you choose to allow that.

 

[Humanity]

Post a video of the farmer, the day before the march started, planting a bomb under the fence. Post a video of other means being used before the "last resort".

Ah. So that is your standard for international law concerning the use of lethal force? That no use of lethal force may be used without video proof of surveillance with evidence of lethal weapons and of the escalating deterrents? And that standard for each individual death doesn't seem...well, just the smallest bit ridiculous to you?

I know, let's look at your "last resort".... What, to you, is "last resort"?

You can bitch and bleat as much as you like... No one, including you, has been able to show any proof that the farmer killed the day before the march, by tank shelling, was attempting anything!

Team Israel quoting international law, Geneva Conventions, international 'standards' as some kind of defense has to be the biggest joke of the year...

In your rush to condemn the Joooooos, you fail to realize that the "farmer" had been observed performing suspicious activity, on two occasions, at night. Farming is not generally done under cover of darkness. Additionally, you fail to realize that the actions of the farmer were done in the context of imminent riots and attempts to breach israeli border areas announced by Hamas. In that context, getting anywhere near a military zone, at night, is the definition of poor judgement.

I tend to agree that holding Israel to standards of international law and Geneva Convention standards is reasonable. I see nothing to suggest any breach of those standards.

I also agree that Team Islamic Terrorist Huggers make no pretense that holding islamic terrorists to standards of international law and Geneva Convention protocols makes a lot of sense. Islamic terrorists are allowed an exception to all standards of moral and ethical behavior because you choose to allow that.

Wow, you know, it's not rocket science...

In your rush to try and be clever you simply bleat like a bitch...

Post something to support your statement and stop wasting bandwidth!

 

[Hollie]

Post a video of the farmer, the day before the march started, planting a bomb under the fence. Post a video of other means being used before the "last resort".

Ah. So that is your standard for international law concerning the use of lethal force? That no use of lethal force may be used without video proof of surveillance with evidence of lethal weapons and of the escalating deterrents? And that standard for each individual death doesn't seem...well, just the smallest bit ridiculous to you?

I know, let's look at your "last resort".... What, to you, is "last resort"?

You can bitch and bleat as much as you like... No one, including you, has been able to show any proof that the farmer killed the day before the march, by tank shelling, was attempting anything!

Team Israel quoting international law, Geneva Conventions, international 'standards' as some kind of defense has to be the biggest joke of the year...

In your rush to condemn the Joooooos, you fail to realize that the "farmer" had been observed performing suspicious activity, on two occasions, at night. Farming is not generally done under cover of darkness. Additionally, you fail to realize that the actions of the farmer were done in the context of imminent riots and attempts to breach israeli border areas announced by Hamas. In that context, getting anywhere near a military zone, at night, is the definition of poor judgement.

I tend to agree that holding Israel to standards of international law and Geneva Convention standards is reasonable. I see nothing to suggest any breach of those standards.

I also agree that Team Islamic Terrorist Huggers make no pretense that holding islamic terrorists to standards of international law and Geneva Convention protocols makes a lot of sense. Islamic terrorists are allowed an exception to all standards of moral and ethical behavior because you choose to allow that.

Wow, you know, it's not rocket science...

In your rush to try and be clever you simply bleat like a bitch...

Post something to support your statement and stop wasting bandwidth!

No reason to get snippy. I presented you a logical progression of events, one of which was a case to be made for "farming" of cover of darkness was suspicious in the context of a planned act of war (attempting to breach border controls) by an entity sworn to destroy Israel.

Your failure to support your argument is not my heartache.

 

[Humanity]

Post a video of the farmer, the day before the march started, planting a bomb under the fence. Post a video of other means being used before the "last resort".

Ah. So that is your standard for international law concerning the use of lethal force? That no use of lethal force may be used without video proof of surveillance with evidence of lethal weapons and of the escalating deterrents? And that standard for each individual death doesn't seem...well, just the smallest bit ridiculous to you?

I know, let's look at your "last resort".... What, to you, is "last resort"?

You can bitch and bleat as much as you like... No one, including you, has been able to show any proof that the farmer killed the day before the march, by tank shelling, was attempting anything!

Team Israel quoting international law, Geneva Conventions, international 'standards' as some kind of defense has to be the biggest joke of the year...

In your rush to condemn the Joooooos, you fail to realize that the "farmer" had been observed performing suspicious activity, on two occasions, at night. Farming is not generally done under cover of darkness. Additionally, you fail to realize that the actions of the farmer were done in the context of imminent riots and attempts to breach israeli border areas announced by Hamas. In that context, getting anywhere near a military zone, at night, is the definition of poor judgement.

I tend to agree that holding Israel to standards of international law and Geneva Convention standards is reasonable. I see nothing to suggest any breach of those standards.

I also agree that Team Islamic Terrorist Huggers make no pretense that holding islamic terrorists to standards of international law and Geneva Convention protocols makes a lot of sense. Islamic terrorists are allowed an exception to all standards of moral and ethical behavior because you choose to allow that.

Wow, you know, it's not rocket science...

In your rush to try and be clever you simply bleat like a bitch...

Post something to support your statement and stop wasting bandwidth!

No reason to get snippy. I presented you a logical progression of events, one of which was a case to be made for "farming" of cover of darkness was suspicious in the context of a planned act of war (attempting to breach border controls) by an entity sworn to destroy Israel.

Your failure to support your argument is not my heartache.

Wrong...

I have supported my argument with links, you have supported your argument with nothing but bullshit...