Israeli forces shoot unarmed protesters from across Gaza security fence, killing at least 15

[Billo_Really]

That is not what the report states.

It looks exactly like the report states.

Gaza could become uninhabitable in less than five years due to ongoing ‘de-development’– UN report​

If you want to talk about it specifically start a thread.

But be prepared to discuss water supply and the condition of aquifers in depth because I've done some research in this.

Then you should know 95% of the water is undrinkable.

"Gaza’s 1.8 million inhabitants rely on coastal aquifers as their main source of freshwater, yet 95 per cent of this water is not safe to drink."​

 

[harmonica]

good--keep shooting the violent, murderous terrorists

 

[harmonica]

by declaring an end to any dispute about territory between her and Israel. (Just as Jordan and Egypt did in formal end-of-conflict agreements. There is a precedent here.)

How much of Egypt and Jordan does Israel occupy?

None now. They abandoned it when they made peace with Israel.

When Gaza makes peace with Israel it will abandon all claims to Israel. Just as Israel has abandoned all claims to a Gaza in practice. And will in formal treaty.

When Israel gets out of Palestine there will be peace.

there will be peace when Israel justifiably shoves them into the sea

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israeli propaganda bullshit calls this a violent riot.

I’d call it a money making opportunity for those Islamic terrorists willing to sacrifice for the Death Cult.

That excludes you, of course. You’re expected to do nothing more than cut and paste YouTube videos.

Deflection.

 

[Billo_Really]

And Doesnt THAT just sum it all up.

That's all you need to know.

You don't go on to someone else's property and start telling them what's what.

 

[Billo_Really]

But who is occupying?

The Dutch!

 

[USAF 2023]

Well no. Gaza is under a blockade (not collective punishment - a blockade) because Gaza imports weapons which are intended and in point of fact used as a means of violence against Israel. The intent of the blockade is to prevent belligerent violent actions against Israel.

The originating cause of that blockade was not an election. It was (at least) Gaza's government's refusal to recognize Israel, make peace with Israel and honour the agreements made by the previous government.

The CONTINUING cause of the blockade is the consistent attacks made by Gaza, with the apparently full support of the government of Gaza, against Israel.

The solution could not be more obvious. Gaza gets THERE from here by declaring an end to any dispute about territory between her and Israel. (Just as Jordan and Egypt did in formal end-of-conflict agreements. There is a precedent here.)

Gaza gets there from here by declaring a state of peace between herself and Israel.

Gaza gets there from here by declaring independence.

Gaza gets there from here by funnelling resources to citizens and infrastructure and her economy rather than war and terrorism.

I disagree, the INTENT of the blockade was a collective punishment of the Gazan’s for electing Hamas. There was no escalation of violence preceding it and no attempts at talks with the new government. It has gone on for ten years with no inprovement.

How can Gaza declare independence? When the Palestinians sought any sort of U.N. recognition Israel punished those efforts. Israel punishes Palestinians for Unesco move

The intent of the blockade was to prevent a terrorist organization which had just been elected government (!!) and refused peace, recognition or to honour agreements from attacking Israel.

How do you "attempt talks" with a terror organization which has declared these things?

You seem to say "no escalation of violence" demonstrates sufficient good intent I disagree. The cessation of ALL violence is the requisite for peace.

The cessation of ALL violence is the requisite for peace.

That applies to Israel also.

You obviously are oblivious to the fact that it is not Israel with a written Charter calling for the destruction of Arabs-Moslems.

Is it Isrealis who are massing on their border calling to invade Gaza’istan and rip the hearts out of Arabs-Moslems?

It is Israel massing at the border shooting civilians. Are the Palestinians at the border shooting up the Israelis?

“
Civilians” with Malatov Cocktails, Using Home

And Doesnt THAT just sum it all up.

That's all you need to know.

You don't go on to someone else's property and start telling them what's what.

“ Right of Return@ is DOA ! The more they protest with Malatov Cocktails, Fires, Bow and Arrows, etc. the more.will get killed.

 

[Billo_Really]

“
Civilians” with Malatov Cocktails, Using Home


“ Right of Return@ is DOA ! The more they protest with Malatov Cocktails, Fires, Bow and Arrows, etc. the more.will get killed.

It is illegal to use lethal force, unless your life is directly threatened. You cannot use lethal force for crowd control. And burning a tire on ones own property, is not a threat to your fascist, piece of shit, life.

 

[USAF 2023]

“
Civilians” with Malatov Cocktails, Using Home


“ Right of Return@ is DOA ! The more they protest with Malatov Cocktails, Fires, Bow and Arrows, etc. the more.will get killed.

It is illegal to use lethal force, unless your life is directly threatened. You cannot use lethal force for crowd control. And burning a tire on ones own property, is not a threat to your fascist, piece of shit, life.

I’m not aware that Islamic terrorists agree with your interpretation of law. You and Tinmore seem to have attended the same law school that graduates people with no understanding of, well, anything.

Perhaps you could do some overseas outreach and stand in front of an Islamist Death Cultist holding a weapon, with that koranified stare of gee-had and advise him of his responsibilities under the law.

There’s a good fellow.

You mean “ International Law?” Now, THAT is funny! ( Just being sarcastic, Hollie)

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

do.

Count on the Palestinians to fuck themselves up over such a stupid issue.

The Pals are not fucking themselves. It's the fascists next door who keep demanding to be recognized.

The Pals are not fucking themselves.

So where is the Palestinian success?

 

[Billo_Really]

I’m not aware that Islamic terrorists agree with your interpretation of law. You and Tinmore seem to have attended the same law school that graduates people with no understanding of, well, anything.

Perhaps you could do some overseas outreach and stand in front of an Islamist Death Cultist holding a weapon, with that koranified stare of gee-had and advise him of his responsibilities under the law.

There’s a good fellow.

The Pals are not terrorists.

 

[Billo_Really]

You mean “ International Law?” Now, THAT is funny! ( Just being sarcastic, Hollie)

International humanitarian law. Which the inhuman Zionists wouldn't know anything about.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

That is not what the report states.

It looks exactly like the report states.

Gaza could become uninhabitable in less than five years due to ongoing ‘de-development’– UN report​

If you want to talk about it specifically start a thread.

But be prepared to discuss water supply and the condition of aquifers in depth because I've done some research in this.

Then you should know 95% of the water is undrinkable.

"Gaza’s 1.8 million inhabitants rely on coastal aquifers as their main source of freshwater, yet 95 per cent of this water is not safe to drink."​

Maybe tunnel and rocket spending should be re-directed toward clean water?

 

[P F Tinmore]

That is not what the report states.

It looks exactly like the report states.

Gaza could become uninhabitable in less than five years due to ongoing ‘de-development’– UN report​

If you want to talk about it specifically start a thread.

But be prepared to discuss water supply and the condition of aquifers in depth because I've done some research in this.

Then you should know 95% of the water is undrinkable.

"Gaza’s 1.8 million inhabitants rely on coastal aquifers as their main source of freshwater, yet 95 per cent of this water is not safe to drink."​

Maybe tunnel and rocket spending should be re-directed toward clean water?

They can't. Israel will not allow them to import what they need to rebuild their systems.

You need to keep up.

 

[Billo_Really]

Maybe tunnel and rocket spending should be re-directed toward clean water?

You cannot direct the rockets. They're too primitive.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

That is not what the report states.

It looks exactly like the report states.

Gaza could become uninhabitable in less than five years due to ongoing ‘de-development’– UN report​

If you want to talk about it specifically start a thread.

But be prepared to discuss water supply and the condition of aquifers in depth because I've done some research in this.

Then you should know 95% of the water is undrinkable.

"Gaza’s 1.8 million inhabitants rely on coastal aquifers as their main source of freshwater, yet 95 per cent of this water is not safe to drink."​

Maybe tunnel and rocket spending should be re-directed toward clean water?

They can't. Israel will not allow them to import what they need to rebuild their systems.

You need to keep up.

Well, when your imports end up building rockets and tunnels, they tend to get restricted.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Maybe tunnel and rocket spending should be re-directed toward clean water?

You cannot direct the rockets. They're too primitive.

I know they can't direct the rockets, that's why their use is a war crime.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Israeli forces shoot unarmed protesters from across Gaza security fence, killing at least 15
※→ Coyote, et al,

The Joint Egyptian-Israeli blockade started in 2007. That is a year after the Population of Gaza elected HAMAS into power. Two years after the unilateral withdraw in 2005.

​

The indiscriminate rocket fire was on the rise in the first three years of the new century; but began a decline, down 100 launches from a high of nearly 300 in 2004 → the year before the unilateral withdraw of 2005. In the two years immediately prior to the tightening of the Israeli Measures to prevent, combat and eradicate the illicit manufacturing of and trafficking in firearms, their parts, and components and
ammunition, owing to the harmful effects of those activities on the security of each State or Region.

I disagree, the INTENT of the blockade was a collective punishment of the Gazan’s for electing Hamas.

(COMMENT)

What evidence is there that the Israelis are doing something other than executing actions to prevent, combat and eradicate the illicit manufacturing of and trafficking in firearms, their parts and components and ammunition, owing to the harmful effects of those activities on the security of each State or Region.

What evidence is there to suggest that Israel is doing something other than strengthening the security of their international borders, including by combating fraudulent travel documents and, to the extent attainable, by enhancing terrorist screening and passenger security procedures with a view to preventing those from entering their territory;

(The Imperative to Combat Terrorism in all its forms and Manifestations by all means, in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations)

(Protocol against the Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms, Their Parts and Components and Ammunition, supplementing the United Nations Convention against Transnational Organized Crime)
(The United Nations General Assembly adopted the Global Counter-Terrorism Strategy. The strategy is a unique global instrument to enhance national, regional and international efforts to counter terrorism.)
​

There was no escalation of violence preceding it and no attempts at talks with the new government. It has gone on for ten years with no improvement.

(COMMENT)

As you can see, there was almost a 200% increase in the two years prior to the blockade --- see above (supra).

How can Gaza declare independence? When the Palestinians sought any sort of U.N. recognition Israel punished those efforts. Israel punishes Palestinians for Unesco move

(COMMENT)

Gaza is already wrapped-up with the West Bank. They would have to disengage.

It is important to remember that under Customary Law, those that have not already accepted a different citizenship, those that have acquired a new nationality, and enjoys the protection of the country of his new nationality are no longer considered a "refugee."

In terms of "Rule 103 - Collective Punishment" - Customary and IHL considers:

• Summary •

However, the prohibition of collective punishments is wider in scope because it does not only apply to criminal sanctions but also to “sanctions and harassment of any sort, administrative, by police action or otherwise”.​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

the year before the unilateral withdraw of 2005.

You forgot to mention that part of the so called disengagement was a system of closure.

 

[P F Tinmore]

That is a year after the Population of Gaza elected HAMAS into power.

Misleading, Hamas was not elected in Gaza.