Issues that conservatives suddenly don't care about ..

[Ray From Cleveland]

How do you end preexisting conditions without the mandate?

I have news, the idea you bought a home you can't afford, bought more of a car, or decided to taje a job 200 miles from your home.

Again, there has to be a metric to determine who gets a subsidy.

What's next? having a fit on income tax brackets? "OMG OMG the government decides how much tax I can afford"?????????

This wacko government control arguments you whiners make is just ridiculous.

"OMG OMG OMG how dare government tell me how fast I can drive!!!" OMG OMG

How do you end preexisting conditions without a mandate?

Okay, let's say Obama came out with a mandate that auto insurance has to insure everybody regardless of driving record. We'll call it AutoBama. Now with AutoBama, it doesn't matter how you drive. It doesn't matter how many points you have on your license, how many DUI's you had, how many accidents you've had, how many times your license has been revoked, you get the same price as good drivers.

So what are you--a person that has your own insurance outside of AutoBama, are going to pay for premiums in the near future? After all, the insurance company has to make back that money somewhere.

That brings us to the huge increases for 2017 under Commie Care. Some will see premium prices more than double like in Arizona. So what was accomplished? Even if it was affordable before, it certainly won't be next year.

There is a metric to determine how much you can afford, it's adjustable income and where you live. That's it. That's the only questions they ask besides your age and if you're a smoker or not.

For many of us, we were always insured until Commie Care came into play. We all live on a budget, and many times that budget only gives us a couple hundred to spare after everything is paid for. Commie Care more than busted that budget, and if you want to be insured, you have to sell your home, move to a smaller apartment, get a lower priced car, whatever. Because Big Brother decides what you should be able to afford--not you. You can't be trusted to make those decisions.

 

[rightwinger]

maybe if the presidents dinner didnt have to be in Martha's Vinyard, take a week, two presidential planes 500 men on security detail and golf course fee's, he wouldnt have heard so much grief about the expense of that dinner.

Obama took the same vacation every year to the vineyard . Security had it down pat. He stayed in country side , and its a island wh few options to get in and out . It's the perfect spot for security. And it's like an hour flight from DC on marine one .

Trump is going to hang out in the middle of the busiest most congested places in the country !

do you have a link to Trumps travel plans?
Im sure you do, as a liberal you certainly would not be caught dead making things up.

Yeah . His wife n kid are staying in NYC . So he'll be commuting .

Remember, it was you righties who made a big deal over Obamas travel . You reap what you sow .

Which was total bullshit, since Bush took way more vacation time than any POTUS in history and they didn't mind that at all.

Most of the vacation time taken by Bush were to his ranch, and they were working vacations where world leaders would also attend. How much did he save the taxpayer in hotel and conference room feels by doing this?

Bullshit...Bush was goofing off

He rarely had world leaders to his ranch

Obama vacationed 20 days a year......just like most Americans

 

[RealDave]

How do you end preexisting conditions without the mandate?

I have news, the idea you bought a home you can't afford, bought more of a car, or decided to taje a job 200 miles from your home.

Again, there has to be a metric to determine who gets a subsidy.

What's next? having a fit on income tax brackets? "OMG OMG the government decides how much tax I can afford"?????????

This wacko government control arguments you whiners make is just ridiculous.

"OMG OMG OMG how dare government tell me how fast I can drive!!!" OMG OMG

How do you end preexisting conditions without a mandate?

Okay, let's say Obama came out with a mandate that auto insurance has to insure everybody regardless of driving record. We'll call it AutoBama. Now with AutoBama, it doesn't matter how you drive. It doesn't matter how many points you have on your license, how many DUI's you had, how many accidents you've had, how many times your license has been revoked, you get the same price as good drivers.

So what are you--a person that has your own insurance outside of AutoBama, are going to pay for premiums in the near future? After all, the insurance company has to make back that money somewhere.

That brings us to the huge increases for 2017 under Commie Care. Some will see premium prices more than double like in Arizona. So what was accomplished? Even if it was affordable before, it certainly won't be next year.

There is a metric to determine how much you can afford, it's adjustable income and where you live. That's it. That's the only questions they ask besides your age and if you're a smoker or not.

For many of us, we were always insured until Commie Care came into play. We all live on a budget, and many times that budget only gives us a couple hundred to spare after everything is paid for. Commie Care more than busted that budget, and if you want to be insured, you have to sell your home, move to a smaller apartment, get a lower priced car, whatever. Because Big Brother decides what you should be able to afford--not you. You can't be trusted to make those decisions.

Ray Ray Ray. Commie care??? Really,

Tell me Ray, how is buying policies from private insurance companies to get care from private doctors in private hospitals commie care.
Go back to the years prior to the ACA & look how premiums increased every year. Compare those prior years to the years since the exchanges.

Some policies went up in some states but I see you use those numbers to declare every fucking policy offered went up that much.

'Furthermore, as explained earlier, if you get subsidies then the premium increases would not alter the amout you were paid. Furthermore, if you don't get a subsidy, don't buy from the exchanges.

And the evil evil government decides how much income tax you should pay based on your incone, OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG

How would you decide who would get a subsidy or not? Throw darts? Pull numbers out of a hat. Or do ya think you would define a metric.

Come on Ray. Are you really that fucking stupid?

 

[Synthaholic]

How do you end preexisting conditions without a mandate?

Yes. That's the question. It has nothing to do with auto insurance.

Try to focus, wingnut.

 

[Yarddog]

its not our fault if you cant understand how building the wall and getting rid of the democrats illegal pets will save billions every year.
Education is free for the first 12 years, don't blame others because you failed to make the most of it.

Show us the math on how the Great Wall pays for itself.

You're the one who doesn't understand immigration.

maybe Mexico will pay for part of it. As for the military, if Trump can get our allies who currently benefit from our military presence to foot the bill, it would be a huge step in bringing down cost. I also believe Trump has plans to bring money back into the US that Hillary was happy to chase away.

 

[dblack]

How do you end preexisting conditions without a mandate?

Yes. That's the question. It has nothing to do with auto insurance.

Try to focus, wingnut.

The "pre-existing conditions" bugbear is a ruse.......

 

[Iceweasel]

["Welfare", as in payments from the state to its indigent citizens, did not even exist as a concept until the 20th century. The authors of the Constitution could have hardly referenced a concept which did not exist in their day.

That's exactly the point! Congratulations.

Welfare came into being because of the Great Depression. Because of thousand of people standing in bread lines, riding in boxcars, and living in shanty towns. People who had lost everything and couldn't find work.
In the richest nation in the world, in the 21st century, the lowest wage earners don't make enough money to put food on their table or a roof over their heads, while their bosses take home millions.

And in your infinite wisdom, you blame the workers.

When did I blame the workers? You lie every fucking time you type!

Lowest wage workers do make enough to eat. They can do what I did and share an apartment if they can't afford to live on their own. They will not improve until socialist assholes like you are beat down into non-relevance and business thrives once again.

 

[rightwinger]

How do you end preexisting conditions without a mandate?

Yes. That's the question. It has nothing to do with auto insurance.

Try to focus, wingnut.

The "pre-existing conditions" bugbear is a ruse.......

Why?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Obama took the same vacation every year to the vineyard . Security had it down pat. He stayed in country side , and its a island wh few options to get in and out . It's the perfect spot for security. And it's like an hour flight from DC on marine one .

Trump is going to hang out in the middle of the busiest most congested places in the country !

do you have a link to Trumps travel plans?
Im sure you do, as a liberal you certainly would not be caught dead making things up.

Yeah . His wife n kid are staying in NYC . So he'll be commuting .

Remember, it was you righties who made a big deal over Obamas travel . You reap what you sow .

Which was total bullshit, since Bush took way more vacation time than any POTUS in history and they didn't mind that at all.

Most of the vacation time taken by Bush were to his ranch, and they were working vacations where world leaders would also attend. How much did he save the taxpayer in hotel and conference room feels by doing this?

Bullshit...Bush was goofing off

He rarely had world leaders to his ranch

Obama vacationed 20 days a year......just like most Americans

We paid him to play golf ?

 

[rightwinger]

do you have a link to Trumps travel plans?
Im sure you do, as a liberal you certainly would not be caught dead making things up.

Yeah . His wife n kid are staying in NYC . So he'll be commuting .

Remember, it was you righties who made a big deal over Obamas travel . You reap what you sow .

Which was total bullshit, since Bush took way more vacation time than any POTUS in history and they didn't mind that at all.

Most of the vacation time taken by Bush were to his ranch, and they were working vacations where world leaders would also attend. How much did he save the taxpayer in hotel and conference room feels by doing this?

Bullshit...Bush was goofing off

He rarely had world leaders to his ranch

Obama vacationed 20 days a year......just like most Americans

We paid him to play golf ?

Presidents have weekends off just like anyone else

He is free to play golf, fish, watch TV, jog, read a book...even cut brush if he likes it

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Yeah . His wife n kid are staying in NYC . So he'll be commuting .

Remember, it was you righties who made a big deal over Obamas travel . You reap what you sow .

Which was total bullshit, since Bush took way more vacation time than any POTUS in history and they didn't mind that at all.

Most of the vacation time taken by Bush were to his ranch, and they were working vacations where world leaders would also attend. How much did he save the taxpayer in hotel and conference room feels by doing this?

Bullshit...Bush was goofing off

He rarely had world leaders to his ranch

Obama vacationed 20 days a year......just like most Americans

We paid him to play golf ?

Presidents have weekends off just like anyone else

He is free to play golf, fish, watch TV, jog, read a book...even cut brush if he likes it

You are correct....he is.

And, in some ways, I think Donald Trump thanks him for doing just that.

 

[rightwinger]

Which was total bullshit, since Bush took way more vacation time than any POTUS in history and they didn't mind that at all.

Most of the vacation time taken by Bush were to his ranch, and they were working vacations where world leaders would also attend. How much did he save the taxpayer in hotel and conference room feels by doing this?

Bullshit...Bush was goofing off

He rarely had world leaders to his ranch

Obama vacationed 20 days a year......just like most Americans

We paid him to play golf ?

Presidents have weekends off just like anyone else

He is free to play golf, fish, watch TV, jog, read a book...even cut brush if he likes it

You are correct....he is.

And, in some ways, I think Donald Trump thanks him for doing just that.

?

 

[dblack]

How do you end preexisting conditions without a mandate?

Yes. That's the question. It has nothing to do with auto insurance.

Try to focus, wingnut.

The "pre-existing conditions" bugbear is a ruse.......

Why?

Because that's not how insurance works.

 

[Dragonlady]

Lowest wage workers do make enough to eat. They can do what I did and share an apartment if they can't afford to live on their own. They will not improve until socialist assholes like you are beat down into non-relevance and business thrives once again.

Businesses ARE thriving. Wages, as a percentage of costs, are at their lowest levels since the Guilded Age. American businesses are SITTING on more cash than at any time in history. There are more millionaires and billionaires than at any time in history.

It's the workers who aren't thriving. And that's because Ronald Reagan weighted the tax code in favour of the wealthy, under the theory that the wealth would "trickle down" to the workers. It's time to acknowledge that it hasn't worked. Poverty has trickled up.

It doesn't matter how many jobs anyone creates in the United States. As long as Saint Ronnie's tax code, as amended by George W. Bush, stays in effect. The rich will continue to get richer, and the rest of you will continue to get poorer.

That you're too dumb to see it is truly the result of 30 years of starving the public education system into non-relevance.

 

[Iceweasel]

Lowest wage workers do make enough to eat. They can do what I did and share an apartment if they can't afford to live on their own. They will not improve until socialist assholes like you are beat down into non-relevance and business thrives once again.

Businesses ARE thriving. Wages, as a percentage of costs, are at their lowest levels since the Guilded Age. American businesses are SITTING on more cash than at any time in history. There are more millionaires and billionaires than at any time in history.

It's the workers who aren't thriving. And that's because Ronald Reagan weighted the tax code in favour of the wealthy, under the theory that the wealth would "trickle down" to the workers. It's time to acknowledge that it hasn't worked. Poverty has trickled up.

It doesn't matter how many jobs anyone creates in the United States. As long as Saint Ronnie's tax code, as amended by George W. Bush, stays in effect. The rich will continue to get richer, and the rest of you will continue to get poorer.

That you're too dumb to see it is truly the result of 30 years of starving the public education system into non-relevance.

Businesses are not thriving unless you are on the top of the food chain. Most businesses are small, government regulations have added enormous costs to having employees and liberals think more of the same will fix it. Reagan lowered tax rates because no one was paying the liberal wet dream of 90%. Closing loopholes helped a great deal and GDP and tax revenues went up, contrary to liberal ideology. Public ed is starving?

Reagan also said that liberals know so much that isn't true.

 

[rdean]

now that Trump is elected , cons have quickly forgotten issues that really bothered them under Obama.

Debt/deficit : 20 trillion!! Bah, who cares . Let's build giant walls and double the military. Costs be damn !

Prez security budget: Obama couldn't go to dinner without a story of how it cost taxpayers trillions . Now trump will be commuting from DC to manhattan on a daily basis . That's cool!

States rights : sanctuary city? You
Must bow to the Feds directives , at your own cost!

What else ? I had more but forgot .

Morals. They no longer care about morals.

 

[NYcarbineer]

And the left wing butthurt continues....

So now you're admitting that all of your opposition to the previous administration came from your own butthurt?

That's funny.

 

[rdean]

Just wait until the spending cuts are announced, and you'll be screaming chicken little....

Since Republicans as group get the most welfare and food stamps, you won't be able to hear Democrats over the screaming.

It's Official: White Folks in Red States are the Biggest Food Stamp 'Moochers' in the Country!

 

[whitehall]

You almost gotta laugh that hypocrite lefties are suddenly worried about the national debit when a republican is elected

 

[NYcarbineer]

now that Trump is elected , cons have quickly forgotten issues that really bothered them under Obama.

Debt/deficit : 20 trillion!! Bah, who cares . Let's build giant walls and double the military. Costs be damn !

Prez security budget: Obama couldn't go to dinner without a story of how it cost taxpayers trillions . Now trump will be commuting from DC to manhattan on a daily basis . That's cool!

States rights : sanctuary city? You
Must bow to the Feds directives , at your own cost!

What else ? I had more but forgot .

The biggest issue that conservatives no longer care about is free trade. Despite some minority dissent on the right, via the likes of Ron Paul, for example (who, don't forget, was HATED by the conservative establishment when he ran for president)

the Right has always been the bigger champion of free trade, right up through the GOP platform of 2012,
which was for fast tracking TPP.

Now they're all Bernie Sanders/Ross Perot/Pat Buchanan/Ralph Nader/Ron Paul protectionist/isolationists.

And, full disclosure, good for them if they finally have come around to MY views.