It Begins: California Begins Indoctrinating Children Into The LGBT Lifestyle Against Parents Wishes

[emilynghiem]

And if Christians refused to let parents/children opt out of school prayer and indoctrination,
we would hear no end to the lawsuits from the ACLU and Freedom from Religion groups across the country!

Excellent points. Are there zero Christian parents in California who would file a lawsuit on this problem of cloaked-pedophilia in grade school there?

Dear Silhouette
At this point, it seems that the arguments defending Christian beliefs don't get as much sympathy.
I think the stronger argument we need to establish nationally to change this whole environment/dynamic
is to declare and agree that LGBT BELIEFS constitute a CREED that is faith based and not proven.

Until LGBT and liberal beliefs are recognized equally as other faith based biases from other religious groups,
until we start recognizing and treating political and secular BELIEFS equally as other forms or religious beliefs,
we have discrimination going on.

People are conditioned to interpret the First Amendment as defending secular against organized religions.
But we haven't established the broader more inclusive and equal interpretation of ALL beliefs
under religious freedom. So this bias has never been addressed, resolved and accepted/established.

I think that is what is missing.

And that's why Christian groups don't get sympathy in courts.
In Texas, in conservative led courts and govt, these arguments have won.

But it's very hard to make those arguments and win in a secular environment.
I'd like to see this matter resolved once and for all,
and have agreements between party leaders to start recognizing
political beliefs for what they are. They are creeds, faith based,
and cannot continue to be imposed through govt without
violating the First and Fourteenth Amendments and
Civil Rights laws against discirmination by creed.

 

[Moonglow]

And if Christians refused to let parents/children opt out of school prayer and indoctrination,
we would hear no end to the lawsuits from the ACLU and Freedom from Religion groups across the country!

Excellent points. Are there zero Christian parents in California who would file a lawsuit on this problem of cloaked-pedophilia in grade school there?

Dear Silhouette
At this point, it seems that the arguments defending Christian beliefs don't get as much sympathy.
I think the stronger argument we need to establish nationally to change this whole environment/dynamic
is to declare and agree that LGBT BELIEFS constitute a CREED that is faith based and not proven.

Until LGBT and liberal beliefs are recognized equally as other faith based biases from other religious groups,
until we start recognizing and treating political and secular BELIEFS equally as other forms or religious beliefs,
we have discrimination going on.

People are conditioned to interpret the First Amendment as defending secular against organized religions.
But we haven't established the broader more inclusive and equal interpretation of ALL beliefs
under religious freedom. So this bias has never been addressed, resolved and accepted/established.

I think that is what is missing.

And that's why Christian groups don't get sympathy in courts.
In Texas, in conservative led courts and govt, these arguments have won.

But it's very hard to make those arguments and win in a secular environment.
I'd like to see this matter resolved once and for all,
and have agreements between party leaders to start recognizing
political beliefs for what they are. They are creeds, faith based,
and cannot continue to be imposed through govt without
violating the First and Fourteenth Amendments and
Civil Rights laws against discirmination by creed.

There's a lot of bad blood from centuries of abuse by religious denominations about LGBT type people and nothing will help but pure acceptance of each other and a respect for their existence..

 

[Aba Incieni]

And if Christians refused to let parents/children opt out of school prayer and indoctrination,
we would hear no end to the lawsuits from the ACLU and Freedom from Religion groups across the country!

Excellent points. Are there zero Christian parents in California who would file a lawsuit on this problem of cloaked-pedophilia in grade school there?

Dear Silhouette
At this point, it seems that the arguments defending Christian beliefs don't get as much sympathy.
I think the stronger argument we need to establish nationally to change this whole environment/dynamic
is to declare and agree that LGBT BELIEFS constitute a CREED that is faith based and not proven.

Until LGBT and liberal beliefs are recognized equally as other faith based biases from other religious groups,
until we start recognizing and treating political and secular BELIEFS equally as other forms or religious beliefs,
we have discrimination going on.

People are conditioned to interpret the First Amendment as defending secular against organized religions.
But we haven't established the broader more inclusive and equal interpretation of ALL beliefs
under religious freedom. So this bias has never been addressed, resolved and accepted/established.

I think that is what is missing.

And that's why Christian groups don't get sympathy in courts.
In Texas, in conservative led courts and govt, these arguments have won.

But it's very hard to make those arguments and win in a secular environment.
I'd like to see this matter resolved once and for all,
and have agreements between party leaders to start recognizing
political beliefs for what they are. They are creeds, faith based,
and cannot continue to be imposed through govt without
violating the First and Fourteenth Amendments and
Civil Rights laws against discirmination by creed.

There's a lot of bad blood from centuries of abuse by religious denominations about LGBT type people and nothing will help but pure acceptance of each other and a respect for their existence..

It's important not to allow heterophobia to exist in this world.

 

[Moonglow]

And if Christians refused to let parents/children opt out of school prayer and indoctrination,
we would hear no end to the lawsuits from the ACLU and Freedom from Religion groups across the country!

Excellent points. Are there zero Christian parents in California who would file a lawsuit on this problem of cloaked-pedophilia in grade school there?

Dear Silhouette
At this point, it seems that the arguments defending Christian beliefs don't get as much sympathy.
I think the stronger argument we need to establish nationally to change this whole environment/dynamic
is to declare and agree that LGBT BELIEFS constitute a CREED that is faith based and not proven.

Until LGBT and liberal beliefs are recognized equally as other faith based biases from other religious groups,
until we start recognizing and treating political and secular BELIEFS equally as other forms or religious beliefs,
we have discrimination going on.

People are conditioned to interpret the First Amendment as defending secular against organized religions.
But we haven't established the broader more inclusive and equal interpretation of ALL beliefs
under religious freedom. So this bias has never been addressed, resolved and accepted/established.

I think that is what is missing.

And that's why Christian groups don't get sympathy in courts.
In Texas, in conservative led courts and govt, these arguments have won.

But it's very hard to make those arguments and win in a secular environment.
I'd like to see this matter resolved once and for all,
and have agreements between party leaders to start recognizing
political beliefs for what they are. They are creeds, faith based,
and cannot continue to be imposed through govt without
violating the First and Fourteenth Amendments and
Civil Rights laws against discirmination by creed.

Laws in some states that are clearly a religious test to discriminate need to be eliminated..

 

[Moonglow]

And if Christians refused to let parents/children opt out of school prayer and indoctrination,
we would hear no end to the lawsuits from the ACLU and Freedom from Religion groups across the country!

Excellent points. Are there zero Christian parents in California who would file a lawsuit on this problem of cloaked-pedophilia in grade school there?

Dear Silhouette
At this point, it seems that the arguments defending Christian beliefs don't get as much sympathy.
I think the stronger argument we need to establish nationally to change this whole environment/dynamic
is to declare and agree that LGBT BELIEFS constitute a CREED that is faith based and not proven.

Until LGBT and liberal beliefs are recognized equally as other faith based biases from other religious groups,
until we start recognizing and treating political and secular BELIEFS equally as other forms or religious beliefs,
we have discrimination going on.

People are conditioned to interpret the First Amendment as defending secular against organized religions.
But we haven't established the broader more inclusive and equal interpretation of ALL beliefs
under religious freedom. So this bias has never been addressed, resolved and accepted/established.

I think that is what is missing.

And that's why Christian groups don't get sympathy in courts.
In Texas, in conservative led courts and govt, these arguments have won.

But it's very hard to make those arguments and win in a secular environment.
I'd like to see this matter resolved once and for all,
and have agreements between party leaders to start recognizing
political beliefs for what they are. They are creeds, faith based,
and cannot continue to be imposed through govt without
violating the First and Fourteenth Amendments and
Civil Rights laws against discirmination by creed.

There's a lot of bad blood from centuries of abuse by religious denominations about LGBT type people and nothing will help but pure acceptance of each other and a respect for their existence..

It's important not to allow heterophobia to exist in this world.

I find it ridiculous to give a shit what and how people live, that is their choice..

 

[EvilCat Breath]

And if Christians refused to let parents/children opt out of school prayer and indoctrination,
we would hear no end to the lawsuits from the ACLU and Freedom from Religion groups across the country!

Excellent points. Are there zero Christian parents in California who would file a lawsuit on this problem of cloaked-pedophilia in grade school there?

Dear Silhouette
At this point, it seems that the arguments defending Christian beliefs don't get as much sympathy.
I think the stronger argument we need to establish nationally to change this whole environment/dynamic
is to declare and agree that LGBT BELIEFS constitute a CREED that is faith based and not proven.

Until LGBT and liberal beliefs are recognized equally as other faith based biases from other religious groups,
until we start recognizing and treating political and secular BELIEFS equally as other forms or religious beliefs,
we have discrimination going on.

People are conditioned to interpret the First Amendment as defending secular against organized religions.
But we haven't established the broader more inclusive and equal interpretation of ALL beliefs
under religious freedom. So this bias has never been addressed, resolved and accepted/established.

I think that is what is missing.

And that's why Christian groups don't get sympathy in courts.
In Texas, in conservative led courts and govt, these arguments have won.

But it's very hard to make those arguments and win in a secular environment.
I'd like to see this matter resolved once and for all,
and have agreements between party leaders to start recognizing
political beliefs for what they are. They are creeds, faith based,
and cannot continue to be imposed through govt without
violating the First and Fourteenth Amendments and
Civil Rights laws against discirmination by creed.

There's a lot of bad blood from centuries of abuse by religious denominations about LGBT type people and nothing will help but pure acceptance of each other and a respect for their existence..

It might be difficult to get decent people to accept perversion as normal.

 

[Moonglow]

And if Christians refused to let parents/children opt out of school prayer and indoctrination,
we would hear no end to the lawsuits from the ACLU and Freedom from Religion groups across the country!

Excellent points. Are there zero Christian parents in California who would file a lawsuit on this problem of cloaked-pedophilia in grade school there?

Dear Silhouette
At this point, it seems that the arguments defending Christian beliefs don't get as much sympathy.
I think the stronger argument we need to establish nationally to change this whole environment/dynamic
is to declare and agree that LGBT BELIEFS constitute a CREED that is faith based and not proven.

Until LGBT and liberal beliefs are recognized equally as other faith based biases from other religious groups,
until we start recognizing and treating political and secular BELIEFS equally as other forms or religious beliefs,
we have discrimination going on.

People are conditioned to interpret the First Amendment as defending secular against organized religions.
But we haven't established the broader more inclusive and equal interpretation of ALL beliefs
under religious freedom. So this bias has never been addressed, resolved and accepted/established.

I think that is what is missing.

And that's why Christian groups don't get sympathy in courts.
In Texas, in conservative led courts and govt, these arguments have won.

But it's very hard to make those arguments and win in a secular environment.
I'd like to see this matter resolved once and for all,
and have agreements between party leaders to start recognizing
political beliefs for what they are. They are creeds, faith based,
and cannot continue to be imposed through govt without
violating the First and Fourteenth Amendments and
Civil Rights laws against discirmination by creed.

There's a lot of bad blood from centuries of abuse by religious denominations about LGBT type people and nothing will help but pure acceptance of each other and a respect for their existence..

It might be difficult to get decent people to accept perversion as normal.

Why not,, people allow the perversion of resources of the most to the least...Which according to Christ and God is not normal for them...

 

[Aba Incieni]

And if Christians refused to let parents/children opt out of school prayer and indoctrination,
we would hear no end to the lawsuits from the ACLU and Freedom from Religion groups across the country!

Excellent points. Are there zero Christian parents in California who would file a lawsuit on this problem of cloaked-pedophilia in grade school there?

Dear Silhouette
At this point, it seems that the arguments defending Christian beliefs don't get as much sympathy.
I think the stronger argument we need to establish nationally to change this whole environment/dynamic
is to declare and agree that LGBT BELIEFS constitute a CREED that is faith based and not proven.

Until LGBT and liberal beliefs are recognized equally as other faith based biases from other religious groups,
until we start recognizing and treating political and secular BELIEFS equally as other forms or religious beliefs,
we have discrimination going on.

People are conditioned to interpret the First Amendment as defending secular against organized religions.
But we haven't established the broader more inclusive and equal interpretation of ALL beliefs
under religious freedom. So this bias has never been addressed, resolved and accepted/established.

I think that is what is missing.

And that's why Christian groups don't get sympathy in courts.
In Texas, in conservative led courts and govt, these arguments have won.

But it's very hard to make those arguments and win in a secular environment.
I'd like to see this matter resolved once and for all,
and have agreements between party leaders to start recognizing
political beliefs for what they are. They are creeds, faith based,
and cannot continue to be imposed through govt without
violating the First and Fourteenth Amendments and
Civil Rights laws against discirmination by creed.

There's a lot of bad blood from centuries of abuse by religious denominations about LGBT type people and nothing will help but pure acceptance of each other and a respect for their existence..

It's important not to allow heterophobia to exist in this world.

I find it ridiculous to give a shit what and how people live, that is their choice..

I am a straight advocate. Why is that a problem for so many on this board.

 

[emilynghiem]

There's a lot of bad blood from centuries of abuse by religious denominations about LGBT type people and nothing will help but pure acceptance of each other and a respect for their existence..

Dear Moonglow the same forgiveness and healing that helps people make peace with LGBT orientation
also is the same process that has allowed and empowered people to overcome abuse as well as unnatural
LGBT attractions caused by that unnatural abuse.

It takes just as much acceptance and forgiveness on the LGBT side to stop rejecting Christians.
So it's a mutual process, not one way.

This whole thing has been framed as one way.
Two wrongs, both rejecting each other, doesn't cancel out and make it right.

If the LGBT want people to open up to them,
it can't be forced through govt any more than forcing Christian beliefs through govt.

1. the first step is to recognize both sides are faith based beliefs and must remain free choice
not mandated or penalized through govt, either for or against LGBT or Christian beliefs
2. the second step is to recognize that the same forgiveness and healing taught in Christianity
works for both people coming out as LGBT or being healed of abuse and coming out straight.
This spiritual healing process is natural, by free choice, and not to be abused as fraud therapy,
but actually helps prevent suicides and mental issues regardless of people's orientatation,
the healing and forgiveness helps to stop the conflicts, fear and hatred that is killing people and relationships
3. after the healing and recovery is applied, and the person is at peace, some people
might change and some people may come out as LGBT orientation but be at spiritual peace with how they are.
It isn't all one way. it isn't forcing people to try to change, and it also may not result in any change
but people may turn out to be naturally LGBT by their spiritual identity, purpose and path in life.

All these steps will take people on both sides recognizing this.
The LGBT have as much work to do with acceptance and forgiveness
and can't blame everything on Christians for abuse. Because in fact,
the very spiritual healing that Christians have been teaching and practicing
has helped people heal, whether they come out gay, transgender, straight, etc.

So rejecting Christian teachings has equally compounded the problem.

 

[rightwinger]

How dare you teach my children not to hate gays?

. Not the governments job to teach on these subjects, and the nation has laws against discrimination that cover every angle needed, so why do people think that they need the schools to teach the kids apart from their parents teaching such things, in which keeps their kids out of trouble with the law ? Is there a fear that the majority of parents won't teach their children to obey the law, and so those parents have to be by passed when the children are away from their care and influence ?

Teaching good citizenship is a schools job

. Wrong... It's the parents job.

Parents are teaching them hate
Schools are not obliged to support it

. So basically you're a communist, and you desire communism as a means for this country to operate on ? I mean, so you are ready to transform this nation into a communist nation over this issue ? Taking away the parents rights to raise and/or to teach their children is Communism/Socialism/Marxism or some kind of ism, and it is in full view here. So you're a communist or worse ?

Schools have always taught morality and civic duty

You guys didn't complain when it involved public prayer

 

[rightwinger]

How dare you teach my children not to hate gays?

. Not the governments job to teach on these subjects, and the nation has laws against discrimination that cover every angle needed, so why do people think that they need the schools to teach the kids apart from their parents teaching such things, in which keeps their kids out of trouble with the law ? Is there a fear that the majority of parents won't teach their children to obey the law, and so those parents have to be by passed when the children are away from their care and influence ?

Teaching good citizenship is a schools job

. Wrong... It's the parents job.

Parents are teaching them hate
Schools are not obliged to support it

Dear rightwinger
it sounds like the opposite here.
It's not the schools opting out of teaching hate
but requiring parents/students to biased indoctrination
that excludes and rejects Christian love and forgiveness that
has healed abuse and changed people's orientations that weren't natural for them.

this indoctrination required of parents/students
isn't recognizing equal choices but REJECTING some,
and is just as problematic to FORCE people to undergo without respect for their
choice of beliefs.

That FREE CHOICE OF BELIEFS is what's being left out.

If the laws on accommodations and equal civil rights were enforced and taught
correctly, then BOTH the people for or against LGBT beliefs and/or Christian beliefs
would be given Equal free choice to OPT OUT of either one! That would be fair.

You are right that the liberals can choose NOT to receive or follow this information.
But cannot require parents/students to be indoctrinated in that choice to REFUSE
the healing power, message and natural process that Christianity teaches.

You are free to opt out of public schools if you believe they are contradicting your message of hate

 

[Moonglow]

There's a lot of bad blood from centuries of abuse by religious denominations about LGBT type people and nothing will help but pure acceptance of each other and a respect for their existence..

Dear Moonglow the same forgiveness and healing that helps people make peace with LGBT orientation
also is the same process that has allowed and empowered people to overcome abuse as well as unnatural
LGBT attractions caused by that unnatural abuse.

It takes just as much acceptance and forgiveness on the LGBT side to stop rejecting Christians.
So it's a mutual process, not one way.

This whole thing has been framed as one way.
Two wrongs, both rejecting each other, doesn't cancel out and make it right.

If the LGBT want people to open up to them,
it can't be forced through govt any more than forcing Christian beliefs through govt.

1. the first step is to recognize both sides are faith based beliefs and must remain free choice
not mandated or penalized through govt, either for or against LGBT or Christian beliefs
2. the second step is to recognize that the same forgiveness and healing taught in Christianity
works for both people coming out as LGBT or being healed of abuse and coming out straight.
This spiritual healing process is natural, by free choice, and not to be abused as fraud therapy,
but actually helps prevent suicides and mental issues regardless of people's orientatation,
the healing and forgiveness helps to stop the conflicts, fear and hatred that is killing people and relationships
3. after the healing and recovery is applied, and the person is at peace, some people
might change and some people may come out as LGBT orientation but be at spiritual peace with how they are.
It isn't all one way. it isn't forcing people to try to change, and it also may not result in any change
but people may turn out to be naturally LGBT by their spiritual identity, purpose and path in life.

All these steps will take people on both sides recognizing this.
The LGBT have as much work to do with acceptance and forgiveness
and can't blame everything on Christians for abuse. Because in fact,
the very spiritual healing that Christians have been teaching and practicing
has helped people heal, whether they come out gay, transgender, straight, etc.

So rejecting Christian teachings has equally compounded the problem.

respect is reciprocal not singular..

 

[emilynghiem]

There's a lot of bad blood from centuries of abuse by religious denominations about LGBT type people and nothing will help but pure acceptance of each other and a respect for their existence..

Dear Moonglow the same forgiveness and healing that helps people make peace with LGBT orientation
also is the same process that has allowed and empowered people to overcome abuse as well as unnatural
LGBT attractions caused by that unnatural abuse.

It takes just as much acceptance and forgiveness on the LGBT side to stop rejecting Christians.
So it's a mutual process, not one way.

This whole thing has been framed as one way.
Two wrongs, both rejecting each other, doesn't cancel out and make it right.

If the LGBT want people to open up to them,
it can't be forced through govt any more than forcing Christian beliefs through govt.

1. the first step is to recognize both sides are faith based beliefs and must remain free choice
not mandated or penalized through govt, either for or against LGBT or Christian beliefs
2. the second step is to recognize that the same forgiveness and healing taught in Christianity
works for both people coming out as LGBT or being healed of abuse and coming out straight.
This spiritual healing process is natural, by free choice, and not to be abused as fraud therapy,
but actually helps prevent suicides and mental issues regardless of people's orientatation,
the healing and forgiveness helps to stop the conflicts, fear and hatred that is killing people and relationships
3. after the healing and recovery is applied, and the person is at peace, some people
might change and some people may come out as LGBT orientation but be at spiritual peace with how they are.
It isn't all one way. it isn't forcing people to try to change, and it also may not result in any change
but people may turn out to be naturally LGBT by their spiritual identity, purpose and path in life.

All these steps will take people on both sides recognizing this.
The LGBT have as much work to do with acceptance and forgiveness
and can't blame everything on Christians for abuse. Because in fact,
the very spiritual healing that Christians have been teaching and practicing
has helped people heal, whether they come out gay, transgender, straight, etc.

So rejecting Christian teachings has equally compounded the problem.

respect is reciprocal not singular..

Agreed Moonglow we both seem to be saying the same thing.

do you agree it is just as wrongful for LGBT to exclude
exgays who used to identify gay but went through healing
and came out straight?

If LGBT are arguing for inclusion and tolerance,
shouldn't they equally include exgays who changed orientation?

 

[beagle9]

And if Christians refused to let parents/children opt out of school prayer and indoctrination,
we would hear no end to the lawsuits from the ACLU and Freedom from Religion groups across the country!

Excellent points. Are there zero Christian parents in California who would file a lawsuit on this problem of cloaked-pedophilia in grade school there?

Dear Silhouette
At this point, it seems that the arguments defending Christian beliefs don't get as much sympathy.
I think the stronger argument we need to establish nationally to change this whole environment/dynamic
is to declare and agree that LGBT BELIEFS constitute a CREED that is faith based and not proven.

Until LGBT and liberal beliefs are recognized equally as other faith based biases from other religious groups,
until we start recognizing and treating political and secular BELIEFS equally as other forms or religious beliefs,
we have discrimination going on.

People are conditioned to interpret the First Amendment as defending secular against organized religions.
But we haven't established the broader more inclusive and equal interpretation of ALL beliefs
under religious freedom. So this bias has never been addressed, resolved and accepted/established.

I think that is what is missing.

And that's why Christian groups don't get sympathy in courts.
In Texas, in conservative led courts and govt, these arguments have won.

But it's very hard to make those arguments and win in a secular environment.
I'd like to see this matter resolved once and for all,
and have agreements between party leaders to start recognizing
political beliefs for what they are. They are creeds, faith based,
and cannot continue to be imposed through govt without
violating the First and Fourteenth Amendments and
Civil Rights laws against discirmination by creed.

There's a lot of bad blood from centuries of abuse by religious denominations about LGBT type people and nothing will help but pure acceptance of each other and a respect for their existence..

There is and never will be a pure acceptance of one another's lifestyles, ideas, beliefs or faiths equally in this world. Only decency law's regarding the peace among all whom go about in the public sphere can be achieved. Then it comes down to the majority not being abused by a minority opinion in that sphere or vice versa if wrong. The majority I would say doesn't abuse the minority in almost all cases pertaining to the public sphere, and the minority usually ends up learning from the majority in which pushes society ahead from that sphere. The majority rarely learns from the minority, but there has been cases of it in the past where a majority becomes entertaining of or tolerant of the minorities cause, plights, and sufferings in life. The compassionate side of the majority allows it to give on some issues, but not all of them.

 

[beagle9]

. Not the governments job to teach on these subjects, and the nation has laws against discrimination that cover every angle needed, so why do people think that they need the schools to teach the kids apart from their parents teaching such things, in which keeps their kids out of trouble with the law ? Is there a fear that the majority of parents won't teach their children to obey the law, and so those parents have to be by passed when the children are away from their care and influence ?

Teaching good citizenship is a schools job

. Wrong... It's the parents job.

Parents are teaching them hate
Schools are not obliged to support it

. So basically you're a communist, and you desire communism as a means for this country to operate on ? I mean, so you are ready to transform this nation into a communist nation over this issue ? Taking away the parents rights to raise and/or to teach their children is Communism/Socialism/Marxism or some kind of ism, and it is in full view here. So you're a communist or worse ?

Schools have always taught morality and civic duty

You guys didn't complain when it involved public prayer

. Yeah, and the nation's ideas or beliefs on morality fit right in with what this nation wanted as it's character and culture as a society. People can't help it if over time since the breakdown of the family and the American culture, that this nation would have all these sub-cultures trying to fill the vaccum created under the failures caused by a steady relentless push by bitter and radical groups to eventually destroy this nation one cultural brick at a time.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

There's a lot of bad blood from centuries of abuse by religious denominations about LGBT type people and nothing will help but pure acceptance of each other and a respect for their existence..

Dear Moonglow the same forgiveness and healing that helps people make peace with LGBT orientation
also is the same process that has allowed and empowered people to overcome abuse as well as unnatural
LGBT attractions caused by that unnatural abuse.

It takes just as much acceptance and forgiveness on the LGBT side to stop rejecting Christians.
So it's a mutual process, not one way.

This whole thing has been framed as one way.
Two wrongs, both rejecting each other, doesn't cancel out and make it right.

If the LGBT want people to open up to them,
it can't be forced through govt any more than forcing Christian beliefs through govt.

1. the first step is to recognize both sides are faith based beliefs and must remain free choice
not mandated or penalized through govt, either for or against LGBT or Christian beliefs
2. the second step is to recognize that the same forgiveness and healing taught in Christianity
works for both people coming out as LGBT or being healed of abuse and coming out straight.
This spiritual healing process is natural, by free choice, and not to be abused as fraud therapy,
but actually helps prevent suicides and mental issues regardless of people's orientatation,
the healing and forgiveness helps to stop the conflicts, fear and hatred that is killing people and relationships
3. after the healing and recovery is applied, and the person is at peace, some people
might change and some people may come out as LGBT orientation but be at spiritual peace with how they are.
It isn't all one way. it isn't forcing people to try to change, and it also may not result in any change
but people may turn out to be naturally LGBT by their spiritual identity, purpose and path in life.

All these steps will take people on both sides recognizing this.
The LGBT have as much work to do with acceptance and forgiveness
and can't blame everything on Christians for abuse. Because in fact,
the very spiritual healing that Christians have been teaching and practicing
has helped people heal, whether they come out gay, transgender, straight, etc.

So rejecting Christian teachings has equally compounded the problem.

respect is reciprocal not singular..

Agreed Moonglow we both seem to be saying the same thing.

do you agree it is just as wrongful for LGBT to exclude
exgays who used to identify gay but went through healing
and came out straight?

If LGBT are arguing for inclusion and tolerance,
shouldn't they equally include exgays who changed orientation?

There is no such thing as as an ex gay who went through healing and came out straight. There are those individuals who were indoctrinated and manipulated into thinking they were gay and acting gay who never were gay. When a young boy is being groomed into a sexual companion for an older gay man, that child's life is manipulated. His friends are all gay. His support group is all gay. He is surrounded by homosexuality. Then he is admonished that should he explore other options, everything will be taken away. He will be alone. Friendless and loveless.

This is why "spiritual healing" is said to work when, in fact, spiritual healing is poppycock. The support network of gays is replaced by a support network of religious people. This allows the trunkated part of the man's personality to grow. They aren't ex gay. They were never gay to begin with.

 

[beagle9]

. Not the governments job to teach on these subjects, and the nation has laws against discrimination that cover every angle needed, so why do people think that they need the schools to teach the kids apart from their parents teaching such things, in which keeps their kids out of trouble with the law ? Is there a fear that the majority of parents won't teach their children to obey the law, and so those parents have to be by passed when the children are away from their care and influence ?

Teaching good citizenship is a schools job

. Wrong... It's the parents job.

Parents are teaching them hate
Schools are not obliged to support it

Dear rightwinger
it sounds like the opposite here.
It's not the schools opting out of teaching hate
but requiring parents/students to biased indoctrination
that excludes and rejects Christian love and forgiveness that
has healed abuse and changed people's orientations that weren't natural for them.

this indoctrination required of parents/students
isn't recognizing equal choices but REJECTING some,
and is just as problematic to FORCE people to undergo without respect for their
choice of beliefs.

That FREE CHOICE OF BELIEFS is what's being left out.

If the laws on accommodations and equal civil rights were enforced and taught
correctly, then BOTH the people for or against LGBT beliefs and/or Christian beliefs
would be given Equal free choice to OPT OUT of either one! That would be fair.

You are right that the liberals can choose NOT to receive or follow this information.
But cannot require parents/students to be indoctrinated in that choice to REFUSE
the healing power, message and natural process that Christianity teaches.

You are free to opt out of public schools if you believe they are contradicting your message of hate

. Should you be free to take over public schools, and basically run others out of it ?? The word opt you used is a misnomer, because when families pull their kids out, it is that their leaving it because they feel that they were forced to, and not that they were excersizing some option they had to better their children's educational needs. It actually has placed a huge burden upon the family, but the one's who caused it all could care less as long as they get their way.

 

[emilynghiem]

There's a lot of bad blood from centuries of abuse by religious denominations about LGBT type people and nothing will help but pure acceptance of each other and a respect for their existence..

Dear Moonglow the same forgiveness and healing that helps people make peace with LGBT orientation
also is the same process that has allowed and empowered people to overcome abuse as well as unnatural
LGBT attractions caused by that unnatural abuse.

It takes just as much acceptance and forgiveness on the LGBT side to stop rejecting Christians.
So it's a mutual process, not one way.

This whole thing has been framed as one way.
Two wrongs, both rejecting each other, doesn't cancel out and make it right.

If the LGBT want people to open up to them,
it can't be forced through govt any more than forcing Christian beliefs through govt.

1. the first step is to recognize both sides are faith based beliefs and must remain free choice
not mandated or penalized through govt, either for or against LGBT or Christian beliefs
2. the second step is to recognize that the same forgiveness and healing taught in Christianity
works for both people coming out as LGBT or being healed of abuse and coming out straight.
This spiritual healing process is natural, by free choice, and not to be abused as fraud therapy,
but actually helps prevent suicides and mental issues regardless of people's orientatation,
the healing and forgiveness helps to stop the conflicts, fear and hatred that is killing people and relationships
3. after the healing and recovery is applied, and the person is at peace, some people
might change and some people may come out as LGBT orientation but be at spiritual peace with how they are.
It isn't all one way. it isn't forcing people to try to change, and it also may not result in any change
but people may turn out to be naturally LGBT by their spiritual identity, purpose and path in life.

All these steps will take people on both sides recognizing this.
The LGBT have as much work to do with acceptance and forgiveness
and can't blame everything on Christians for abuse. Because in fact,
the very spiritual healing that Christians have been teaching and practicing
has helped people heal, whether they come out gay, transgender, straight, etc.

So rejecting Christian teachings has equally compounded the problem.

respect is reciprocal not singular..

Agreed Moonglow we both seem to be saying the same thing.

do you agree it is just as wrongful for LGBT to exclude
exgays who used to identify gay but went through healing
and came out straight?

If LGBT are arguing for inclusion and tolerance,
shouldn't they equally include exgays who changed orientation?

There is no such thing as as an ex gay who went through healing and came out straight. There are those individuals who were indoctrinated and manipulated into thinking they were gay and acting gay who never were gay. When a young boy is being groomed into a sexual companion for an older gay man, that child's life is manipulated. His friends are all gay. His support group is all gay. He is surrounded by homosexuality. Then he is admonished that should he explore other options, everything will be taken away. He will be alone. Friendless and loveless.

This is why "spiritual healing" is said to work when, in fact, spiritual healing is poppycock. The support network of gays is replaced by a support network of religious people. This allows the trunkated part of the man's personality to grow. They aren't ex gay. They were never gay to begin with.

So Tipsycatlover
De Blasio’s wife Chirlane McCray talks about lesbian past
are you saying Chirlane Blasio was never a lesbian? She wrote a whole book on it.

Or she is still a lesbian but acting bisexually since she married her husband
the Mayor of New York?

I'm perfectly fine with your explanation that she was always what she is now.
but that' doesn't negate spiritual healing in removing the false manipulations
that you call it. That's what the healing process does. So it confirms this works.

See previous link I have posted before

How To Defeat Homosexual Activists 101 A Real Education

to professional reputable therapists experienced with healing people of unwanted homosexual attractions . The main difference is you call this manipulations that weren't real. That's fine. but the spiritual healing still works to remove those false layers that weren't natural and return people to their natural selves.

NOTE: This team's method of spiritual healing HAS BEEN DOCUMENTED and published in a formal medical study of spiritual healing on Rheumatoid Arthritis, as funded by the Templeton Foundation. This confirmed the methods used by Dr. MacNutt and his team were effective in achieving results that could only be attributed to the healing prayer therapy, because there were no other medical remedies applied. This same method is what Drs. Francis and Judith MacNutt apply to help people cure the causes of unwanted homosexual attractions and orientation, whether you call that fake manipulations or what. It still works, and this method has been documented and published, in relation to curing RA.

 

[Moonglow]

There's a lot of bad blood from centuries of abuse by religious denominations about LGBT type people and nothing will help but pure acceptance of each other and a respect for their existence..

Dear Moonglow the same forgiveness and healing that helps people make peace with LGBT orientation
also is the same process that has allowed and empowered people to overcome abuse as well as unnatural
LGBT attractions caused by that unnatural abuse.

It takes just as much acceptance and forgiveness on the LGBT side to stop rejecting Christians.
So it's a mutual process, not one way.

This whole thing has been framed as one way.
Two wrongs, both rejecting each other, doesn't cancel out and make it right.

If the LGBT want people to open up to them,
it can't be forced through govt any more than forcing Christian beliefs through govt.

1. the first step is to recognize both sides are faith based beliefs and must remain free choice
not mandated or penalized through govt, either for or against LGBT or Christian beliefs
2. the second step is to recognize that the same forgiveness and healing taught in Christianity
works for both people coming out as LGBT or being healed of abuse and coming out straight.
This spiritual healing process is natural, by free choice, and not to be abused as fraud therapy,
but actually helps prevent suicides and mental issues regardless of people's orientatation,
the healing and forgiveness helps to stop the conflicts, fear and hatred that is killing people and relationships
3. after the healing and recovery is applied, and the person is at peace, some people
might change and some people may come out as LGBT orientation but be at spiritual peace with how they are.
It isn't all one way. it isn't forcing people to try to change, and it also may not result in any change
but people may turn out to be naturally LGBT by their spiritual identity, purpose and path in life.

All these steps will take people on both sides recognizing this.
The LGBT have as much work to do with acceptance and forgiveness
and can't blame everything on Christians for abuse. Because in fact,
the very spiritual healing that Christians have been teaching and practicing
has helped people heal, whether they come out gay, transgender, straight, etc.

So rejecting Christian teachings has equally compounded the problem.

respect is reciprocal not singular..

Agreed Moonglow we both seem to be saying the same thing.

do you agree it is just as wrongful for LGBT to exclude
exgays who used to identify gay but went through healing
and came out straight?

If LGBT are arguing for inclusion and tolerance,
shouldn't they equally include exgays who changed orientation?

The only thing that really matters in a human relationship is true love..Which is not sexual, although sometimes I wish it was....With true love you can build bonds that help develop the human character positively, and it works the same with the animals you command and the people that work or with you...The way the game has been played so far it's a hard way to mediate progress...

 

[Aba Incieni]

There's a lot of bad blood from centuries of abuse by religious denominations about LGBT type people and nothing will help but pure acceptance of each other and a respect for their existence..

Dear Moonglow the same forgiveness and healing that helps people make peace with LGBT orientation
also is the same process that has allowed and empowered people to overcome abuse as well as unnatural
LGBT attractions caused by that unnatural abuse.

It takes just as much acceptance and forgiveness on the LGBT side to stop rejecting Christians.
So it's a mutual process, not one way.

This whole thing has been framed as one way.
Two wrongs, both rejecting each other, doesn't cancel out and make it right.

If the LGBT want people to open up to them,
it can't be forced through govt any more than forcing Christian beliefs through govt.

1. the first step is to recognize both sides are faith based beliefs and must remain free choice
not mandated or penalized through govt, either for or against LGBT or Christian beliefs
2. the second step is to recognize that the same forgiveness and healing taught in Christianity
works for both people coming out as LGBT or being healed of abuse and coming out straight.
This spiritual healing process is natural, by free choice, and not to be abused as fraud therapy,
but actually helps prevent suicides and mental issues regardless of people's orientatation,
the healing and forgiveness helps to stop the conflicts, fear and hatred that is killing people and relationships
3. after the healing and recovery is applied, and the person is at peace, some people
might change and some people may come out as LGBT orientation but be at spiritual peace with how they are.
It isn't all one way. it isn't forcing people to try to change, and it also may not result in any change
but people may turn out to be naturally LGBT by their spiritual identity, purpose and path in life.

All these steps will take people on both sides recognizing this.
The LGBT have as much work to do with acceptance and forgiveness
and can't blame everything on Christians for abuse. Because in fact,
the very spiritual healing that Christians have been teaching and practicing
has helped people heal, whether they come out gay, transgender, straight, etc.

So rejecting Christian teachings has equally compounded the problem.

respect is reciprocal not singular..

Agreed Moonglow we both seem to be saying the same thing.

do you agree it is just as wrongful for LGBT to exclude
exgays who used to identify gay but went through healing
and came out straight?

If LGBT are arguing for inclusion and tolerance,
shouldn't they equally include exgays who changed orientation?

The only thing that really matters in a human relationship is true love..Which is not sexual, although sometimes I wish it was....With true love you can build bonds that help develop the human character positively, and it works the same with the animals you command and the people that work or with you...The way the game has been played so far it's a hard way to mediate progress...

The difference of course is that you cannot continue humanity with the love of animals or the same gender.

This is why we heteros advocate for heterosexuality.