EvilCat Breath
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respect is reciprocal not singular..There's a lot of bad blood from centuries of abuse by religious denominations about LGBT type people and nothing will help but pure acceptance of each other and a respect for their existence..
Dear Moonglow the same forgiveness and healing that helps people make peace with LGBT orientation
also is the same process that has allowed and empowered people to overcome abuse as well as unnatural
LGBT attractions caused by that unnatural abuse.
It takes just as much acceptance and forgiveness on the LGBT side to stop rejecting Christians.
So it's a mutual process, not one way.
This whole thing has been framed as one way.
Two wrongs, both rejecting each other, doesn't cancel out and make it right.
If the LGBT want people to open up to them,
it can't be forced through govt any more than forcing Christian beliefs through govt.
1. the first step is to recognize both sides are faith based beliefs and must remain free choice
not mandated or penalized through govt, either for or against LGBT or Christian beliefs
2. the second step is to recognize that the same forgiveness and healing taught in Christianity
works for both people coming out as LGBT or being healed of abuse and coming out straight.
This spiritual healing process is natural, by free choice, and not to be abused as fraud therapy,
but actually helps prevent suicides and mental issues regardless of people's orientatation,
the healing and forgiveness helps to stop the conflicts, fear and hatred that is killing people and relationships
3. after the healing and recovery is applied, and the person is at peace, some people
might change and some people may come out as LGBT orientation but be at spiritual peace with how they are.
It isn't all one way. it isn't forcing people to try to change, and it also may not result in any change
but people may turn out to be naturally LGBT by their spiritual identity, purpose and path in life.
All these steps will take people on both sides recognizing this.
The LGBT have as much work to do with acceptance and forgiveness
and can't blame everything on Christians for abuse. Because in fact,
the very spiritual healing that Christians have been teaching and practicing
has helped people heal, whether they come out gay, transgender, straight, etc.
So rejecting Christian teachings has equally compounded the problem.
Agreed Moonglow we both seem to be saying the same thing.
do you agree it is just as wrongful for LGBT to exclude
exgays who used to identify gay but went through healing
and came out straight?
If LGBT are arguing for inclusion and tolerance,
shouldn't they equally include exgays who changed orientation?
There is no such thing as as an ex gay who went through healing and came out straight. There are those individuals who were indoctrinated and manipulated into thinking they were gay and acting gay who never were gay. When a young boy is being groomed into a sexual companion for an older gay man, that child's life is manipulated. His friends are all gay. His support group is all gay. He is surrounded by homosexuality. Then he is admonished that should he explore other options, everything will be taken away. He will be alone. Friendless and loveless.
This is why "spiritual healing" is said to work when, in fact, spiritual healing is poppycock. The support network of gays is replaced by a support network of religious people. This allows the trunkated part of the man's personality to grow. They aren't ex gay. They were never gay to begin with.
So Tipsycatlover
De Blasio’s wife Chirlane McCray talks about lesbian past
are you saying Chirlane Blasio was never a lesbian? She wrote a whole book on it.
Or she is still a lesbian but acting bisexually since she married her husband
the Mayor of New York?
She probably was never a lesbian. A lesbian may have relationships with a man prior to the realization that she is, in fact, a lesbian. But afterwards, the idea is preposterous. I am reminded of Meridith Baxter who has spoken out frequently. She had a string of failed relationships and marriages. She never knew what was wrong. Then she realized that she was in fact, a lesbian, and never had another relationship with a man again.
I personally cannot imagine recognizing a perversion in myself or coming to grips with such a thing. I knew a man who immigrated here with his family from South Africa, He hanged himself. In his suicide note he explained that he had been gay all of his life and could not continue living this "lie". Neither could he face the loss of his wife and children. He did not expect his wife to stay with him if he had a male lover and he could not tolerate the idea that his wife would take a new man into her life.
The best thing for him was to commit suicide.