It's Mueller Time!

[Hutch Starskey]

And the list of obstructive Trump acts would be.......


???


.

Beyond your abilities. Obviously.

10 times Trump may have obstructed justice, according to Mueller

"MAY" Do you understand english?

Yes. It's a qualifier that says while Mueller outlined ten instances of obstruction, he did not say conclusively that Trump committed a crime.

And?

That means he didn't do it.

It does? I wonder what Mueller would say if asked that question.

Oh, wait......

 

[Crepitus]

According to you? I would expect so. Bias does that kinda thing. The Democrats looked better to me.

According to you? I would expect so. Bias does that kinda thing. The Democrats looked better to me.

Come on man. No way. Even CNN and MSNBC disagree with you.

I don't let commentators make my judgements for me, and besides from the little I heard from CNN, it's not even true. I listened to most of the testimony while driving on NPR, and the Democrats, while somewhat stymied by Mueller's lack muster performance, made clear points while the republicans either tried to discredit him or pushed their own pet conspiracy theories.

Polls agree with me. Even the Dems in those polls. Sorry, Crep.

Post them up. Not faux news either.

Poll: Democrats becoming increasingly skeptical of fairness of Russia probe

Lol, Democrats noticed how biased in tRump's favor it is. For some reason we actually expected Mueller to be fair and impartial.

I guess we were wrong.

 

[Crepitus]

This isn't a trial, it's an investigation.

and he refused to answer any questions as to what the investigation revealed when they were about Democrat involvement.

If it were a trial, he would have been labeled a hostile witness at the very least, if not in contempt.

So basically all the investigators who investigate Trump, end up hating Trump?

Not so terribly surprising. By all accounts the man is scum.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

2 yrs
$25mil
No conspiracy no obstruction
How much more do you need?
Even CNN says the Republicans won

You're a smart guy, why don't you read the report? That's not what it says.

Too late.
They've become rhetorical kamikazes. They've passed the the failsafe point and no longer have enough fuel to get back.

That comment did not make any sense. Mueller himself didn’t even read the report.

Says who? You?

Why do you dopes latch onto dopey shit like this and treat it as gospel when you couldn't possibly know it to be true? Is it deliberate or just a product of your intellectual disadvantage?

oh your irony there bubba!!

I document everything. Your refusal to accept it is your problem.

Now show us that "Mueller himself didn't even read the report", dope.

 

[Crepitus]

its not there job its not a legal standard either they find the evidence a crime was committed or they don't and they didn't

Mueller
"we did not reach a determination as to whether the president committed a crime,”

game over

We did not reach a determination as to whether the president committed a crime" is not the same as "we reached a determination that the president did not commit a crime". There are important differences in those two statements.

Prosecutor talk of he is innocent. Prosecutors need evidence to proceed with indictments. They didn’t have enough.

No. The first sentence means they did not make a decision. The second, which has not been spoken by Mueller or his investigators, would mean he didn't commit a crime.

Words have meanings.

INNOCENT until pproven guilty....the investigation is closed....

'Nuff said.

It’s been closed really.
These topics should be in Conspiracy section
We would do ourselves a favor by not responding..

First, far from "closed". There are still many unanswered questions.

Second, there's no way you guys could not respond. Neither could we on the left. It's what we're here for.

 

[SAYIT]

Too late.
They've become rhetorical kamikazes. They've passed the the failsafe point and no longer have enough fuel to get back.

That comment did not make any sense. Mueller himself didn’t even read the report.

Of course that is just another of your dopey narratives. Mueller destroyed your talking points. You are reduced to attacking his performance and elemants of dopey conspiracies that don't exist outside of the fox news sphere rather than the substance.

I don't really blame you hapless dopes though. That would be like taunting a handicapped reporter. Just something I would never do. You were lulled into that little corner with no room to maneuver by the soothing balm of persistent propaganda from Trump and fox with little defense from your Dunning Kruger addled wits.
One day, maybe soon, you'll have a moment of clarity. At which time you will realize that Trump has played you. Bigly.

Too late.
They've become rhetorical kamikazes. They've passed the the failsafe point and no longer have enough fuel to get back.

That comment did not make any sense. Mueller himself didn’t even read the report.

Of course that is just another of your dopey narratives. Mueller destroyed your talking points. You are reduced to attacking his performance and elemants of dopey conspiracies that don't exist outside of the fox news sphere rather than the substance.

I don't really blame you hapless dopes though. That would be like taunting a handicapped reporter. Just something I would never do. You were lulled into that little corner with no room to maneuver by the soothing balm of persistent propaganda from Trump and fox with little defense from your Dunning Kruger addled wits.
One day, maybe soon, you'll have a moment of clarity. At which time you will realize that Trump has played you. Bigly.

You're such a dumbass. From Mueller:

“I want to add one correction to my testimony this morning," Mueller said. "I want to go back to one thing that was said this morning by Mr. Lieu, who said and I quote, ‘You didn’t charge the President because of the OLC opinion. That is not the correct way to say it. As we say in the report and as I said at the opening, we did not reach a determination as to whether the President committed a crime.”

Yes, because they were never going to make such a determination.

Mueller just verified what we've been saying all along.
Your narrative that Mueller concluded that there was no crime was debunked, dope.

Now you are lying, Mueller specifically stated NO CRIME WAS FOUND, he said just yesterday,

“I want to add one correction to my testimony this morning," Mueller said. "I want to go back to one thing that was said this morning by Mr. Lieu, who said and I quote, ‘You didn’t charge the President because of the OLC opinion. That is not the correct way to say it. As we say in the report and as I said at the opening, we did not reach a determination as to whether the President committed a crime.”

LINK

Mueller NEVER posted a Crime charge anywhere in his report!

But the report did say - and I quote - "... this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime..." One can only wonder what the #HateTrump idiots think that means.

 

[Crepitus]

You gotta post the whole quote kid:

“while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.”

Mueller didn't lie to congress, but you sure as hell just tried to lie to us.

I'm curious, Crepitus. Can you watch Mueller's testimony and tell me that was the performance of an "honest" man? Claiming he didn't investigate Steele and Simpson's involvement in the Trump Tower meeting because it wasn't part of his job? How could it NOT be? He investigated the Trump Tower meeting! Why would THAT be something worthy of a thorough investigation but Glenn Simpson's meetings with the Russian lawyer the day before the meeting and the day after the meeting NOT be worthy of an investigation?

He was avoiding playing into the silly republican conspiracy theories. That's all.

Interesting...

So the Trump Tower meeting is something you obviously think should have been investigated since it's been cited repeatedly by those of you on the left as "proof" that the Trump Campaign conspired with Russia...correct?

But you DON'T think that Glenn Simpson meeting with the Russian lawyer the day before the Trump Tower meeting and the day after the meeting should have been investigated as well?

How do you manage that? How can you justify investigating what took place at a meeting...but not investigate who was behind the meeting taking place in the first place? Aren't you curious as to what it was that Glenn Simpson spoke to the Russian lawyer about?

It was. He's already testified. They released transcripts back in January I think. I know it's a popular conspiracy theory among conservatives, but it's already been looked at a passed on.

You're claiming that Mueller brought Glenn Simpson in and questioned him about his meetings with Natalia Veselnitskaya before and after the Trump Tower meeting? Would you care to explain why neither Simpson nor Fusion GPS is mentioned in in connection with the Mueller report despite the meeting being the focus of 14 pages of the Mueller Report? Would you like to explain this testimony given by Mueller?
"At the hearing, Chabot asked Mueller a simple question. Chabot referred Mueller to page 103 of Volume 2 of his final report, in which he describes “the firm that produced the Steele reporting,” but does not name the firm. Chabot asked Mueller: “The name of that firm was Fusion GPS, is that correct?”

Mueller, who has appeared confused at numerous questions so far during this hearing, looked at his binder, which contained a copy of his report, and asked: “And you’re on page 103?”

Chabot asked the same question again.

“When you talk about the firm that produced the Steele reporting. The name of the firm that produced that was Fusion GPS. Is that correct?" Chabot asked.

Mueller responded: “I’m not familiar with that.”"
Think about that for a moment! The man who spent the better part of two years investigating collusion to influence the election doesn't seem to know who Fusion GPS is and what it is that they DID leading up to that election!!! I mean SERIOUSLY? Did those words really come out of Robert Mueller's mouth? This is the man who we're supposed to believe is above reproach?

He was brought in and testified. The transcript is out there for you to read. Also, I no longer believe Mueller is above reproach. No one does any more.

 

[kwc57]

Obstructing justice of a charge that never happened is impossible

But keep this quiet because fat nadler is in charge of trumps campaign, he just does not know this

Obstructing justice of a charge that never happened is impossible

A charge is not what's obstructed. The investigation is what's obstructed.

An investigation into a bogus charge is illegal

What was bogus about the investigation in to the Russians interfering?

The premise Trump had anything to do with it.

121 verified contacts between the Trump Campaign and the very Russians interfering in our election, where as no other presidential candidate, has had any contacts with any Russians trying to help them, during their presidential runs.

It was unAmerican to do such, so OF COURSE the Trump campaign came under suspicion of being a witting or unwitting asset, of the Russians.

Yesssssss……..he should have been more careful like Hillary was. She went thru a law firm to hire a company to hire an unregistered foreign agent to talk to Russian officials to obtain dirt on Trump. I mean, there is a protocol to be followed when hiding that you are seeking Russian interference and Hillary followed it. Trump could have avoided all of this investigation if he had just imitated Hillary's actions, correct? I'm curious as to why her actions are ignored while Trumps aren't when they both went to the Russians for assistance in their campaigns???

 

[Jantje_Smit]

I'm not yet convinced it wasn't just an act but it was definitely a very bad day for our Democrat Socialist Party and their sheeple...

Well, if it was an act then Mueller should get an Oscar...

Oh, and there's nothing socialist about the democrat party... trust me..

 

[JoeMoma]

Mueller Time is Over.

 

[The Original Tree]

We did not reach a determination as to whether the president committed a crime" is not the same as "we reached a determination that the president did not commit a crime". There are important differences in those two statements.

Prosecutor talk of he is innocent. Prosecutors need evidence to proceed with indictments. They didn’t have enough.

No. The first sentence means they did not make a decision. The second, which has not been spoken by Mueller or his investigators, would mean he didn't commit a crime.

Words have meanings.

INNOCENT until pproven guilty....the investigation is closed....

'Nuff said.

It’s been closed really.
These topics should be in Conspiracy section
We would do ourselves a favor by not responding..

First, far from "closed". There are still many unanswered questions.

Second, there's no way you guys could not respond. Neither could we on the left. It's what we're here for.

Unanswered Questions?

Did I leave the oven on?

 

[boedicca]

Mueller is still sharp as a tack!

'I'm Still Sharp As A Tack,' Insists Mueller Moments Before Taking Phone Call On A Banana

 

[Sunsettommy]

I see that democrat supporters have made a fool of themselves over the exoneration baloney since he was never charged or indicted in the first place.

Meanwhile from England is this scathing attack on Mueller's feeble, confused "testimony"

PIERS MORGAN: Shambolic Mueller’s train wreck testimony has left his reputation trashed, the dumbstruck Democrats dead as dodos and President Trump laughing all the way to a second term

By Piers Morgan for MailOnline

Published: 17:05 EDT, 24 July 2019 | Updated: 07:43 EDT, 25 July 2019

Excerpts:

" My God… what a shambles!

Special Counsel Robert Mueller came to Congress with a stellar reputation as one of the sharpest, most experienced, reliable and brilliant legal minds in America.

By the time he’d finished his stumbling, bumbling, obfuscating, dithering appearances before the House Judiciary Committee and House Intelligence Committee, that reputation lay in tatters.

Frankly, he was embarrassing."

and,

"This was supposed to be the moment of clarity, the moment when Americans could finally get all remaining questions answered about this whole sorry Russia collusion affair – straight from the horse’s mouth, on live television.

Instead, they got a political pea-souper so foggy that even Mueller didn’t seem to know what the hell he was talking about.

In perhaps the single most staggering exchange – one I could barely believe I was watching - Mueller was asked by Republican congressman Doug Collins if ‘collusion’ and ‘conspiracy’ were, in colloquial language, ‘largely synonymous’ terms.

In other words, to most people’s understanding, they have the same meaning.

Mueller replied firmly: ‘No.’

Yet, as Collins pointed out, in Mueller’s own report and in his May 29 press conference, he said the complete opposite.

‘So would you change your answer to “yes” then?’ Collins asked, given this complete contradiction.

Mueller stammered ‘No’, then scrabbled around looking frantically at a piece of paper, before asking Collins to repeat his very simple, unambiguous question.

Collins read again Mueller’s own words from his own report, stating that ‘collusion’ and conspiracy’ are ‘largely synonymous’ words.

At which point, Mueller gave up trying to explain his baffling U-turn on this crucial point, and told Collins: ‘I leave it with the report.’

Incredibly, he later made things even worse when he forgot the word ‘conspiracy’ altogether.

‘We don’t use the word ‘collusion’,’ he stated in the latter part of the day. ‘We use…’

He couldn’t finish the sentence.

He couldn’t remember what word they use instead."

MORE in the LINK

No charges were ever posted in the Mueller report at all, yet you STUPID Democrats hang onto it like a child hangs onto her daddy's legs being dragged over the floor.

The leftist stupidity in full display right here in the forum, so amazed that they ignore the reality that NO.... Crime.... was.... ever.... found and ..... reported... in the.... Mueller report.

 

[The Original Tree]

I'm not yet convinced it wasn't just an act but it was definitely a very bad day for our Democrat Socialist Party and their sheeple...

Well, if it was an act then Mueller should get an Oscar...

Oh, and there's nothing socialist about the democrat party... trust me..

Oscar?

Finally someone I know about.

I met the guy once, he seemed a little grouchy.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

2 yrs
$25mil
No conspiracy no obstruction
How much more do you need?
Even CNN says the Republicans won

You're a smart guy, why don't you read the report? That's not what it says.

Too late.
They've become rhetorical kamikazes. They've passed the the failsafe point and no longer have enough fuel to get back.

That comment did not make any sense. Mueller himself didn’t even read the report.

Says who? You?

Why do you dopes latch onto dopey shit like this and treat it as gospel when you couldn't possibly know it to be true? Is it deliberate or just a product of your intellectual disadvantage?

If you have eyes and ears and a brain (questionable with you) then you would surmise he did not read or write the report after hearing his testimony.

I watched the etirety of yesterday's proceedings and did not reach such a dopey conclusion as that information was not revealed.

What you're engaging in is speculation. Dopey speculation in an attempt to create a new narrative no doubt.

 

[dannyboys]

126 undisclosed meetings. "I love it". Flynn lied, manafort lied, gates lied, papadoulos lied, Cohen lied... All intelligence agencies and the report all agree Russia weighed in on tRump's side... tRump just recently said if offered information my a foreign government he would take it... WikiLeaks coordinated email dumps...

How much more do you need?

2 yrs
$25mil
No conspiracy no obstruction
How much more do you need?
Even CNN says the Republicans won

You're a smart guy, why don't you read the report? That's not what it says.

Too late.
They've become rhetorical kamikazes. They've passed the the failsafe point and no longer have enough fuel to get back.

That comment did not make any sense. Mueller himself didn’t even read the report.

Of course that is just another of your dopey narratives. Mueller destroyed your talking points. You are reduced to attacking his performance and elemants of dopey conspiracies that don't exist outside of the fox news sphere rather than the substance.

I don't really blame you hapless dopes though. That would be like taunting a handicapped reporter. Just something I would never do. You were lulled into that little corner with no room to maneuver by the soothing balm of persistent propaganda from Trump and fox with little defense from your Dunning Kruger addled wits.
One day, maybe soon, you'll have a moment of clarity. At which time you will realize that Trump has played you. Bigly.

Apparently you haven't been watching MSNBC/CNN asshole!
Literally EVERY LIB host and 'experts' on these channels have unanimously stated Mueller was not sentient enough to know where the fuck he was even sitting.
"Hey 'George'! I'm over here!"
BYE BYE impeachment!

 

[Crepitus]

Interesting...

So the Trump Tower meeting is something you obviously think should have been investigated since it's been cited repeatedly by those of you on the left as "proof" that the Trump Campaign conspired with Russia...correct?

But you DON'T think that Glenn Simpson meeting with the Russian lawyer the day before the Trump Tower meeting and the day after the meeting should have been investigated as well?

How do you manage that? How can you justify investigating what took place at a meeting...but not investigate who was behind the meeting taking place in the first place? Aren't you curious as to what it was that Glenn Simpson spoke to the Russian lawyer about?

It was. He's already testified. They released transcripts back in January I think. I know it's a popular conspiracy theory among conservatives, but it's already been looked at a passed on.

You're claiming that Mueller brought Glenn Simpson in and questioned him about his meetings with Natalia Veselnitskaya before and after the Trump Tower meeting? Would you care to explain why neither Simpson nor Fusion GPS is mentioned in in connection with the Mueller report despite the meeting being the focus of 14 pages of the Mueller Report? Would you like to explain this testimony given by Mueller?
"At the hearing, Chabot asked Mueller a simple question. Chabot referred Mueller to page 103 of Volume 2 of his final report, in which he describes “the firm that produced the Steele reporting,” but does not name the firm. Chabot asked Mueller: “The name of that firm was Fusion GPS, is that correct?”

Mueller, who has appeared confused at numerous questions so far during this hearing, looked at his binder, which contained a copy of his report, and asked: “And you’re on page 103?”

Chabot asked the same question again.

“When you talk about the firm that produced the Steele reporting. The name of the firm that produced that was Fusion GPS. Is that correct?" Chabot asked.

Mueller responded: “I’m not familiar with that.”"
Think about that for a moment! The man who spent the better part of two years investigating collusion to influence the election doesn't seem to know who Fusion GPS is and what it is that they DID leading up to that election!!! I mean SERIOUSLY? Did those words really come out of Robert Mueller's mouth? This is the man who we're supposed to believe is above reproach?

What I heard him say was that the Steele business was being investigated by other departments.

If there is some problem with 'oranges' and Dossiers and etc., you need to get your investigations finished and your congressional hearings lined up. Show us the evidence.

Mueller wasn't hired to do that part for you. Have Trump appoint a special prosecutor for crying out loud.

What was Mueller hired to do? Investigate possible collusion? So you've got the Trump Tower meeting between Veselnitskaya and Trump Jr which you on the left are ADAMENT constitutes collusion...correct? So by all means INVESTIGATE that meeting! Get to the bottom of who set it up! Find out who it was in the Obama State Department who gave Veselnitskaya the special visa she used to get into the country for that meeting! Find out what it was that Glenn Simpson spoke to her about when they met the day before the Tower meeting and the day after the Tower meeting! Find out who it was that leaked the story of that meeting to the media right after it took place! If Mueller was tasked with finding out if any collusion took place leading up to that election then shouldn't he be non-partisan in that investigation? Why is he only looking into the meeting itself and ignoring every other thing that was taking place behind the scenes in relation to that meeting? Why should another special prosecutor have to be appointed to investigate people other than Trump when it's rather obvious that it was the Clinton Campaign that was guilty of collusion with foreign entities to sway the election?

Mueller said there was no collusion or conspiracy between Trump & the Russians. It sounds like the meeting ended up being a nothing berder, despite Juniors fondest hopes. Why does he need to keep digging?

Actually that isn't what he said. He said it "didn't rise to the level of criminal conspiracy". Again, an important distinction. Impeachment doesn't require a statutory violation.

 

[easyt65]

First, far from "closed". There are still many unanswered questions.

WRONG.

Mueller resigned as Special Counsel, declaring the investigation was closed after submitting 'HIS' report. His offices were closed, 'HIS' team disbanded. Those members have now gone their separate ways, and some - like Weissmann - are already making book deals.

Still, as you demonstrate, some snowflakes be like.....

 

[easyt65]

I document everything.

Then why do you repeatedly ask for the same links over and over again....?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

It was. He's already testified. They released transcripts back in January I think. I know it's a popular conspiracy theory among conservatives, but it's already been looked at a passed on.

You're claiming that Mueller brought Glenn Simpson in and questioned him about his meetings with Natalia Veselnitskaya before and after the Trump Tower meeting? Would you care to explain why neither Simpson nor Fusion GPS is mentioned in in connection with the Mueller report despite the meeting being the focus of 14 pages of the Mueller Report? Would you like to explain this testimony given by Mueller?
"At the hearing, Chabot asked Mueller a simple question. Chabot referred Mueller to page 103 of Volume 2 of his final report, in which he describes “the firm that produced the Steele reporting,” but does not name the firm. Chabot asked Mueller: “The name of that firm was Fusion GPS, is that correct?”

Mueller, who has appeared confused at numerous questions so far during this hearing, looked at his binder, which contained a copy of his report, and asked: “And you’re on page 103?”

Chabot asked the same question again.

“When you talk about the firm that produced the Steele reporting. The name of the firm that produced that was Fusion GPS. Is that correct?" Chabot asked.

Mueller responded: “I’m not familiar with that.”"
Think about that for a moment! The man who spent the better part of two years investigating collusion to influence the election doesn't seem to know who Fusion GPS is and what it is that they DID leading up to that election!!! I mean SERIOUSLY? Did those words really come out of Robert Mueller's mouth? This is the man who we're supposed to believe is above reproach?

What I heard him say was that the Steele business was being investigated by other departments.

If there is some problem with 'oranges' and Dossiers and etc., you need to get your investigations finished and your congressional hearings lined up. Show us the evidence.

Mueller wasn't hired to do that part for you. Have Trump appoint a special prosecutor for crying out loud.

What was Mueller hired to do? Investigate possible collusion? So you've got the Trump Tower meeting between Veselnitskaya and Trump Jr which you on the left are ADAMENT constitutes collusion...correct? So by all means INVESTIGATE that meeting! Get to the bottom of who set it up! Find out who it was in the Obama State Department who gave Veselnitskaya the special visa she used to get into the country for that meeting! Find out what it was that Glenn Simpson spoke to her about when they met the day before the Tower meeting and the day after the Tower meeting! Find out who it was that leaked the story of that meeting to the media right after it took place! If Mueller was tasked with finding out if any collusion took place leading up to that election then shouldn't he be non-partisan in that investigation? Why is he only looking into the meeting itself and ignoring every other thing that was taking place behind the scenes in relation to that meeting? Why should another special prosecutor have to be appointed to investigate people other than Trump when it's rather obvious that it was the Clinton Campaign that was guilty of collusion with foreign entities to sway the election?

Mueller said there was no collusion or conspiracy between Trump & the Russians. It sounds like the meeting ended up being a nothing berder, despite Juniors fondest hopes. Why does he need to keep digging?

Actually that isn't what he said. He said it "didn't rise to the level of criminal conspiracy". Again, an important distinction. Impeachment doesn't require a statutory violation.

If you want to impeach you need to have more than what is out there now IMO. A senile old man, a wasteful investigation and a booming economy does not equal impeachment. If the Dems do impeach it will get squashed and 2020 really looks to be in jeopardy. As my good friend told me. "I cannot stand Trump. He is a bombastic fool. But the economy is strong and my company has never done better. I cannot see myself not voting for him in 2020."