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[jc456]

Autopsy said so

LOL

Liar. Nothing on there says he died from drugs.

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression

Manner of death: Homicide.

Read your own cut and paste:

"Manner of death classification is a statutory function of the medical examiner,..."
"Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process."

So that is what you immediately try to do.
"Homicide" is a medical term. "Murder" must be determined in a court of law.

Are you on Fentanyl? Where did I say the medical examiner's office prosecutes? I showed their report lists his death as a homicide (meaning he was killed, as opposed to suicide) and that kneeling on his neck contributed to it.

"Homicide is when one person kills another, while murder is homicide with intent (pre-planned). Murder is not defined by common law, rather it is defined by statute. However, homicide has quite a different connotation and results in different legal ramifications, sometimes none at all. "

Homicide literally means "the killing of a human". Suicide is a type of homicide and is an illegal act in many places.
The actual cause of death was stated to be cardiopulmonary arrest (meaning his heart stopped and he stopped breathing resulting in death).
Other significant conditions (which may have caused or contributed to his death) included arteriosclerotic heart disease, fentanyl intoxication (poisoning) and recent meth. use.

"Liar. Nothing on there says he died from drugs."

No, but nothing on there states he didn't die from drug overdose or that the actions of police contributed to his death. Also nothing states that he was killed any one else. That is simply your own misinterpretation.

"Homicide" does not mean the killing of a human, period. It means the killing of a human by another...

Definition of HOMICIDE

a person who kills another; a killing of one human being by another… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Which is why suicide is not a homicide...

http://www.bcps-mentalhealth.com/downloads/Suicide_Manual_2017.pdf

​

Suicide is not homicide. ​

"No, but nothing on there states he didn't die from drug overdose or that the actions of police contributed to his death. Also nothing states that he was killed any one else. That is simply your own misinterpretation."

It omits things that didn't kill him, like a piano falling on his head or a drug overdose. And yes, it does day the police actions contributed to his death...

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression​

​

Manner of death: Homicide​

​

View attachment 457089​

As I tried to explain to you earlier homicide is NOT listed as the cause of death so your attempts to twist the word to better suit yourself are irrelevant.
You simply fail to understand what is written plainly. Actual cause of death was the fact that his heart and lungs stopped working. He notes that death occurred while the man was being restrained by police but nowhere does he state that that contributed to the death. "Other significant conditions" list possible reasons his heart and lungs may have stopped and include heart disease/low blood pressure, fentanyl OD, and methamphetamine use. No trauma is mentioned. No reason to believe his death was caused by anyone else.

"As I tried to explain to you earlier homicide is NOT listed as the cause of death..."

Idiot.

View attachment 457292

Manner of death and cause of death are two different things which is why they are listed in two different sections. The homicide is not reported as the cause of death in the official report by the medical examiner no matter how much you want to froth at the mouth about being able to find the word elsewhere in the report (and obviously not understanding it's meaning). And this despite the fact the man went to the trouble to state "Manner of death is is a statutory function of the medical examiner as part of a death certification for purposes of vital statistics and public health. Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process." Which is exactly what you do when you assert that homicide means he was killed by another person. If the man was killed (rather than dying of natural causes) by another person must be proven in a court of law. Neither you nor the medical examiner are allowed to decide that. The medical examiner was well aware of that as he pointed out. So what's your problem?

Homicide only means someone was murdered, that’s all, and that’s based off cause of death

 

[9thIDdoc]

Autopsy said so

LOL

Liar. Nothing on there says he died from drugs.

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression

Manner of death: Homicide.

Read your own cut and paste:

"Manner of death classification is a statutory function of the medical examiner,..."
"Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process."

So that is what you immediately try to do.
"Homicide" is a medical term. "Murder" must be determined in a court of law.

Are you on Fentanyl? Where did I say the medical examiner's office prosecutes? I showed their report lists his death as a homicide (meaning he was killed, as opposed to suicide) and that kneeling on his neck contributed to it.

"Homicide is when one person kills another, while murder is homicide with intent (pre-planned). Murder is not defined by common law, rather it is defined by statute. However, homicide has quite a different connotation and results in different legal ramifications, sometimes none at all. "

Homicide literally means "the killing of a human". Suicide is a type of homicide and is an illegal act in many places.
The actual cause of death was stated to be cardiopulmonary arrest (meaning his heart stopped and he stopped breathing resulting in death).
Other significant conditions (which may have caused or contributed to his death) included arteriosclerotic heart disease, fentanyl intoxication (poisoning) and recent meth. use.

"Liar. Nothing on there says he died from drugs."

No, but nothing on there states he didn't die from drug overdose or that the actions of police contributed to his death. Also nothing states that he was killed any one else. That is simply your own misinterpretation.

"Homicide" does not mean the killing of a human, period. It means the killing of a human by another...

Definition of HOMICIDE

a person who kills another; a killing of one human being by another… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Which is why suicide is not a homicide...

http://www.bcps-mentalhealth.com/downloads/Suicide_Manual_2017.pdf

​

Suicide is not homicide. ​

"No, but nothing on there states he didn't die from drug overdose or that the actions of police contributed to his death. Also nothing states that he was killed any one else. That is simply your own misinterpretation."

It omits things that didn't kill him, like a piano falling on his head or a drug overdose. And yes, it does day the police actions contributed to his death...

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression​

​

Manner of death: Homicide​

​

View attachment 457089​

As I tried to explain to you earlier homicide is NOT listed as the cause of death so your attempts to twist the word to better suit yourself are irrelevant.
You simply fail to understand what is written plainly. Actual cause of death was the fact that his heart and lungs stopped working. He notes that death occurred while the man was being restrained by police but nowhere does he state that that contributed to the death. "Other significant conditions" list possible reasons his heart and lungs may have stopped and include heart disease/low blood pressure, fentanyl OD, and methamphetamine use. No trauma is mentioned. No reason to believe his death was caused by anyone else.

"As I tried to explain to you earlier homicide is NOT listed as the cause of death..."

Idiot.

View attachment 457292

Manner of death and cause of death are two different things which is why they are listed in two different sections. The homicide is not reported as the cause of death in the official report by the medical examiner no matter how much you want to froth at the mouth about being able to find the word elsewhere in the report (and obviously not understanding it's meaning). And this despite the fact the man went to the trouble to state "Manner of death is is a statutory function of the medical examiner as part of a death certification for purposes of vital statistics and public health. Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process." Which is exactly what you do when you assert that homicide means he was killed by another person. If the man was killed (rather than dying of natural causes) by another person must be proven in a court of law. Neither you nor the medical examiner are allowed to decide that. The medical examiner was well aware of that as he pointed out. So what's your problem?

Homicide only means someone was murdered, that’s all, and that’s based off cause of death

No. Homicide means a human died. There are all sorts of homicide that are not murder. Homicide is a medical term and murder is a legal term that must be determined in a court of law.

 

[jc456]

Autopsy said so

LOL

Liar. Nothing on there says he died from drugs.

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression

Manner of death: Homicide.

Read your own cut and paste:

"Manner of death classification is a statutory function of the medical examiner,..."
"Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process."

So that is what you immediately try to do.
"Homicide" is a medical term. "Murder" must be determined in a court of law.

Are you on Fentanyl? Where did I say the medical examiner's office prosecutes? I showed their report lists his death as a homicide (meaning he was killed, as opposed to suicide) and that kneeling on his neck contributed to it.

"Homicide is when one person kills another, while murder is homicide with intent (pre-planned). Murder is not defined by common law, rather it is defined by statute. However, homicide has quite a different connotation and results in different legal ramifications, sometimes none at all. "

Homicide literally means "the killing of a human". Suicide is a type of homicide and is an illegal act in many places.
The actual cause of death was stated to be cardiopulmonary arrest (meaning his heart stopped and he stopped breathing resulting in death).
Other significant conditions (which may have caused or contributed to his death) included arteriosclerotic heart disease, fentanyl intoxication (poisoning) and recent meth. use.

"Liar. Nothing on there says he died from drugs."

No, but nothing on there states he didn't die from drug overdose or that the actions of police contributed to his death. Also nothing states that he was killed any one else. That is simply your own misinterpretation.

"Homicide" does not mean the killing of a human, period. It means the killing of a human by another...

Definition of HOMICIDE

a person who kills another; a killing of one human being by another… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Which is why suicide is not a homicide...

http://www.bcps-mentalhealth.com/downloads/Suicide_Manual_2017.pdf

​

Suicide is not homicide. ​

"No, but nothing on there states he didn't die from drug overdose or that the actions of police contributed to his death. Also nothing states that he was killed any one else. That is simply your own misinterpretation."

It omits things that didn't kill him, like a piano falling on his head or a drug overdose. And yes, it does day the police actions contributed to his death...

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression​

​

Manner of death: Homicide​

​

View attachment 457089​

As I tried to explain to you earlier homicide is NOT listed as the cause of death so your attempts to twist the word to better suit yourself are irrelevant.
You simply fail to understand what is written plainly. Actual cause of death was the fact that his heart and lungs stopped working. He notes that death occurred while the man was being restrained by police but nowhere does he state that that contributed to the death. "Other significant conditions" list possible reasons his heart and lungs may have stopped and include heart disease/low blood pressure, fentanyl OD, and methamphetamine use. No trauma is mentioned. No reason to believe his death was caused by anyone else.

"As I tried to explain to you earlier homicide is NOT listed as the cause of death..."

Idiot.

View attachment 457292

Manner of death and cause of death are two different things which is why they are listed in two different sections. The homicide is not reported as the cause of death in the official report by the medical examiner no matter how much you want to froth at the mouth about being able to find the word elsewhere in the report (and obviously not understanding it's meaning). And this despite the fact the man went to the trouble to state "Manner of death is is a statutory function of the medical examiner as part of a death certification for purposes of vital statistics and public health. Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process." Which is exactly what you do when you assert that homicide means he was killed by another person. If the man was killed (rather than dying of natural causes) by another person must be proven in a court of law. Neither you nor the medical examiner are allowed to decide that. The medical examiner was well aware of that as he pointed out. So what's your problem?

Homicide only means someone was murdered, that’s all, and that’s based off cause of death

No. Homicide means a human died. There are all sorts of homicide that are not murder. Homicide is a medical term and murder is a legal term that must be determined in a court of law.

Actually homicide means someone killed the victim

Vehicular homicide is someone who died in a car accident , smothered homicide is suffocated by someone


hom·i·cide
/ˈhäməˌsīd/
Learn to pronounce
nounNORTH AMERICAN
the deliberate and unlawful killing of one person by another; murder

 

[9thIDdoc]

Autopsy said so

LOL

Liar. Nothing on there says he died from drugs.

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression

Manner of death: Homicide.

Read your own cut and paste:

"Manner of death classification is a statutory function of the medical examiner,..."
"Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process."

So that is what you immediately try to do.
"Homicide" is a medical term. "Murder" must be determined in a court of law.

Are you on Fentanyl? Where did I say the medical examiner's office prosecutes? I showed their report lists his death as a homicide (meaning he was killed, as opposed to suicide) and that kneeling on his neck contributed to it.

"Homicide is when one person kills another, while murder is homicide with intent (pre-planned). Murder is not defined by common law, rather it is defined by statute. However, homicide has quite a different connotation and results in different legal ramifications, sometimes none at all. "

Homicide literally means "the killing of a human". Suicide is a type of homicide and is an illegal act in many places.
The actual cause of death was stated to be cardiopulmonary arrest (meaning his heart stopped and he stopped breathing resulting in death).
Other significant conditions (which may have caused or contributed to his death) included arteriosclerotic heart disease, fentanyl intoxication (poisoning) and recent meth. use.

"Liar. Nothing on there says he died from drugs."

No, but nothing on there states he didn't die from drug overdose or that the actions of police contributed to his death. Also nothing states that he was killed any one else. That is simply your own misinterpretation.

"Homicide" does not mean the killing of a human, period. It means the killing of a human by another...

Definition of HOMICIDE

a person who kills another; a killing of one human being by another… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Which is why suicide is not a homicide...

http://www.bcps-mentalhealth.com/downloads/Suicide_Manual_2017.pdf

​

Suicide is not homicide. ​

"No, but nothing on there states he didn't die from drug overdose or that the actions of police contributed to his death. Also nothing states that he was killed any one else. That is simply your own misinterpretation."

It omits things that didn't kill him, like a piano falling on his head or a drug overdose. And yes, it does day the police actions contributed to his death...

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression​

​

Manner of death: Homicide​

​

View attachment 457089​

As I tried to explain to you earlier homicide is NOT listed as the cause of death so your attempts to twist the word to better suit yourself are irrelevant.
You simply fail to understand what is written plainly. Actual cause of death was the fact that his heart and lungs stopped working. He notes that death occurred while the man was being restrained by police but nowhere does he state that that contributed to the death. "Other significant conditions" list possible reasons his heart and lungs may have stopped and include heart disease/low blood pressure, fentanyl OD, and methamphetamine use. No trauma is mentioned. No reason to believe his death was caused by anyone else.

"As I tried to explain to you earlier homicide is NOT listed as the cause of death..."

Idiot.

View attachment 457292

Manner of death and cause of death are two different things which is why they are listed in two different sections. The homicide is not reported as the cause of death in the official report by the medical examiner no matter how much you want to froth at the mouth about being able to find the word elsewhere in the report (and obviously not understanding it's meaning). And this despite the fact the man went to the trouble to state "Manner of death is is a statutory function of the medical examiner as part of a death certification for purposes of vital statistics and public health. Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process." Which is exactly what you do when you assert that homicide means he was killed by another person. If the man was killed (rather than dying of natural causes) by another person must be proven in a court of law. Neither you nor the medical examiner are allowed to decide that. The medical examiner was well aware of that as he pointed out. So what's your problem?

Homicide only means someone was murdered, that’s all, and that’s based off cause of death

No. Homicide means a human died. There are all sorts of homicide that are not murder. Homicide is a medical term and murder is a legal term that must be determined in a court of law.

Actually homicide means someone killed the victim

Vehicular homicide is someone who died in a car accident , smothered homicide is suffocated by someone


hom·i·cide
/ˈhäməˌsīd/
Learn to pronounce
nounNORTH AMERICAN
the deliberate and unlawful killing of one person by another; murder

Yes, that is one definition of homicide. Ever hear of justifiable homicide? That is neither illegal nor murder. Negligent homicide is illegal but not necessarily deliberate. Murder must be determined in a court of law. A medical examiner is not a court of law and does not and cannot legally determine that a death is murder. A medical examiner is a doctor who examines a body, states his findings, and states his opinions about the physical cause(s) of death.

 

[jc456]

Autopsy said so

LOL

Liar. Nothing on there says he died from drugs.

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression

Manner of death: Homicide.

Read your own cut and paste:

"Manner of death classification is a statutory function of the medical examiner,..."
"Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process."

So that is what you immediately try to do.
"Homicide" is a medical term. "Murder" must be determined in a court of law.

Are you on Fentanyl? Where did I say the medical examiner's office prosecutes? I showed their report lists his death as a homicide (meaning he was killed, as opposed to suicide) and that kneeling on his neck contributed to it.

"Homicide is when one person kills another, while murder is homicide with intent (pre-planned). Murder is not defined by common law, rather it is defined by statute. However, homicide has quite a different connotation and results in different legal ramifications, sometimes none at all. "

Homicide literally means "the killing of a human". Suicide is a type of homicide and is an illegal act in many places.
The actual cause of death was stated to be cardiopulmonary arrest (meaning his heart stopped and he stopped breathing resulting in death).
Other significant conditions (which may have caused or contributed to his death) included arteriosclerotic heart disease, fentanyl intoxication (poisoning) and recent meth. use.

"Liar. Nothing on there says he died from drugs."

No, but nothing on there states he didn't die from drug overdose or that the actions of police contributed to his death. Also nothing states that he was killed any one else. That is simply your own misinterpretation.

"Homicide" does not mean the killing of a human, period. It means the killing of a human by another...

Definition of HOMICIDE

a person who kills another; a killing of one human being by another… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Which is why suicide is not a homicide...

http://www.bcps-mentalhealth.com/downloads/Suicide_Manual_2017.pdf

​

Suicide is not homicide. ​

"No, but nothing on there states he didn't die from drug overdose or that the actions of police contributed to his death. Also nothing states that he was killed any one else. That is simply your own misinterpretation."

It omits things that didn't kill him, like a piano falling on his head or a drug overdose. And yes, it does day the police actions contributed to his death...

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression​

​

Manner of death: Homicide​

​

View attachment 457089​

As I tried to explain to you earlier homicide is NOT listed as the cause of death so your attempts to twist the word to better suit yourself are irrelevant.
You simply fail to understand what is written plainly. Actual cause of death was the fact that his heart and lungs stopped working. He notes that death occurred while the man was being restrained by police but nowhere does he state that that contributed to the death. "Other significant conditions" list possible reasons his heart and lungs may have stopped and include heart disease/low blood pressure, fentanyl OD, and methamphetamine use. No trauma is mentioned. No reason to believe his death was caused by anyone else.

"As I tried to explain to you earlier homicide is NOT listed as the cause of death..."

Idiot.

View attachment 457292

Manner of death and cause of death are two different things which is why they are listed in two different sections. The homicide is not reported as the cause of death in the official report by the medical examiner no matter how much you want to froth at the mouth about being able to find the word elsewhere in the report (and obviously not understanding it's meaning). And this despite the fact the man went to the trouble to state "Manner of death is is a statutory function of the medical examiner as part of a death certification for purposes of vital statistics and public health. Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process." Which is exactly what you do when you assert that homicide means he was killed by another person. If the man was killed (rather than dying of natural causes) by another person must be proven in a court of law. Neither you nor the medical examiner are allowed to decide that. The medical examiner was well aware of that as he pointed out. So what's your problem?

Homicide only means someone was murdered, that’s all, and that’s based off cause of death

No. Homicide means a human died. There are all sorts of homicide that are not murder. Homicide is a medical term and murder is a legal term that must be determined in a court of law.

Actually homicide means someone killed the victim

Vehicular homicide is someone who died in a car accident , smothered homicide is suffocated by someone


hom·i·cide
/ˈhäməˌsīd/
Learn to pronounce
nounNORTH AMERICAN
the deliberate and unlawful killing of one person by another; murder

Yes, that is one definition of homicide. Ever hear of justifiable homicide? That is neither illegal nor murder. Negligent homicide is illegal but not necessarily deliberate. Murder must be determined in a court of law. A medical examiner is not a court of law and does not and cannot legally determine that a death is murder. A medical examiner is a doctor who examines a body, states his findings, and states his opinions about the physical cause(s) of death.

Justified homicide not sure how I was wrong,

 

[9thIDdoc]

Autopsy said so

LOL

Liar. Nothing on there says he died from drugs.

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression

Manner of death: Homicide.

Read your own cut and paste:

"Manner of death classification is a statutory function of the medical examiner,..."
"Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process."

So that is what you immediately try to do.
"Homicide" is a medical term. "Murder" must be determined in a court of law.

Are you on Fentanyl? Where did I say the medical examiner's office prosecutes? I showed their report lists his death as a homicide (meaning he was killed, as opposed to suicide) and that kneeling on his neck contributed to it.

"Homicide is when one person kills another, while murder is homicide with intent (pre-planned). Murder is not defined by common law, rather it is defined by statute. However, homicide has quite a different connotation and results in different legal ramifications, sometimes none at all. "

Homicide literally means "the killing of a human". Suicide is a type of homicide and is an illegal act in many places.
The actual cause of death was stated to be cardiopulmonary arrest (meaning his heart stopped and he stopped breathing resulting in death).
Other significant conditions (which may have caused or contributed to his death) included arteriosclerotic heart disease, fentanyl intoxication (poisoning) and recent meth. use.

"Liar. Nothing on there says he died from drugs."

No, but nothing on there states he didn't die from drug overdose or that the actions of police contributed to his death. Also nothing states that he was killed any one else. That is simply your own misinterpretation.

"Homicide" does not mean the killing of a human, period. It means the killing of a human by another...

Definition of HOMICIDE

a person who kills another; a killing of one human being by another… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Which is why suicide is not a homicide...

http://www.bcps-mentalhealth.com/downloads/Suicide_Manual_2017.pdf

​

Suicide is not homicide. ​

"No, but nothing on there states he didn't die from drug overdose or that the actions of police contributed to his death. Also nothing states that he was killed any one else. That is simply your own misinterpretation."

It omits things that didn't kill him, like a piano falling on his head or a drug overdose. And yes, it does day the police actions contributed to his death...

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression​

​

Manner of death: Homicide​

​

View attachment 457089​

As I tried to explain to you earlier homicide is NOT listed as the cause of death so your attempts to twist the word to better suit yourself are irrelevant.
You simply fail to understand what is written plainly. Actual cause of death was the fact that his heart and lungs stopped working. He notes that death occurred while the man was being restrained by police but nowhere does he state that that contributed to the death. "Other significant conditions" list possible reasons his heart and lungs may have stopped and include heart disease/low blood pressure, fentanyl OD, and methamphetamine use. No trauma is mentioned. No reason to believe his death was caused by anyone else.

"As I tried to explain to you earlier homicide is NOT listed as the cause of death..."

Idiot.

View attachment 457292

Manner of death and cause of death are two different things which is why they are listed in two different sections. The homicide is not reported as the cause of death in the official report by the medical examiner no matter how much you want to froth at the mouth about being able to find the word elsewhere in the report (and obviously not understanding it's meaning). And this despite the fact the man went to the trouble to state "Manner of death is is a statutory function of the medical examiner as part of a death certification for purposes of vital statistics and public health. Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process." Which is exactly what you do when you assert that homicide means he was killed by another person. If the man was killed (rather than dying of natural causes) by another person must be proven in a court of law. Neither you nor the medical examiner are allowed to decide that. The medical examiner was well aware of that as he pointed out. So what's your problem?

Homicide only means someone was murdered, that’s all, and that’s based off cause of death

No. Homicide means a human died. There are all sorts of homicide that are not murder. Homicide is a medical term and murder is a legal term that must be determined in a court of law.

Actually homicide means someone killed the victim

Vehicular homicide is someone who died in a car accident , smothered homicide is suffocated by someone


hom·i·cide
/ˈhäməˌsīd/
Learn to pronounce
nounNORTH AMERICAN
the deliberate and unlawful killing of one person by another; murder

Yes, that is one definition of homicide. Ever hear of justifiable homicide? That is neither illegal nor murder. Negligent homicide is illegal but not necessarily deliberate. Murder must be determined in a court of law. A medical examiner is not a court of law and does not and cannot legally determine that a death is murder. A medical examiner is a doctor who examines a body, states his findings, and states his opinions about the physical cause(s) of death.

Justified homicide not sure how I was wrong,

Your definition doesn't apply because it is neither illegal nor murder. What's not to understand?

 

[Faun]

Autopsy said so

LOL

Liar. Nothing on there says he died from drugs.

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression

Manner of death: Homicide.

Read your own cut and paste:

"Manner of death classification is a statutory function of the medical examiner,..."
"Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process."

So that is what you immediately try to do.
"Homicide" is a medical term. "Murder" must be determined in a court of law.

Are you on Fentanyl? Where did I say the medical examiner's office prosecutes? I showed their report lists his death as a homicide (meaning he was killed, as opposed to suicide) and that kneeling on his neck contributed to it.

"Homicide is when one person kills another, while murder is homicide with intent (pre-planned). Murder is not defined by common law, rather it is defined by statute. However, homicide has quite a different connotation and results in different legal ramifications, sometimes none at all. "

Homicide literally means "the killing of a human". Suicide is a type of homicide and is an illegal act in many places.
The actual cause of death was stated to be cardiopulmonary arrest (meaning his heart stopped and he stopped breathing resulting in death).
Other significant conditions (which may have caused or contributed to his death) included arteriosclerotic heart disease, fentanyl intoxication (poisoning) and recent meth. use.

"Liar. Nothing on there says he died from drugs."

No, but nothing on there states he didn't die from drug overdose or that the actions of police contributed to his death. Also nothing states that he was killed any one else. That is simply your own misinterpretation.

"Homicide" does not mean the killing of a human, period. It means the killing of a human by another...

Definition of HOMICIDE

a person who kills another; a killing of one human being by another… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Which is why suicide is not a homicide...

http://www.bcps-mentalhealth.com/downloads/Suicide_Manual_2017.pdf

​

Suicide is not homicide. ​

"No, but nothing on there states he didn't die from drug overdose or that the actions of police contributed to his death. Also nothing states that he was killed any one else. That is simply your own misinterpretation."

It omits things that didn't kill him, like a piano falling on his head or a drug overdose. And yes, it does day the police actions contributed to his death...

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression​

​

Manner of death: Homicide​

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As I tried to explain to you earlier homicide is NOT listed as the cause of death so your attempts to twist the word to better suit yourself are irrelevant.
You simply fail to understand what is written plainly. Actual cause of death was the fact that his heart and lungs stopped working. He notes that death occurred while the man was being restrained by police but nowhere does he state that that contributed to the death. "Other significant conditions" list possible reasons his heart and lungs may have stopped and include heart disease/low blood pressure, fentanyl OD, and methamphetamine use. No trauma is mentioned. No reason to believe his death was caused by anyone else.

"As I tried to explain to you earlier homicide is NOT listed as the cause of death..."

Idiot.

View attachment 457292

Manner of death and cause of death are two different things which is why they are listed in two different sections. The homicide is not reported as the cause of death in the official report by the medical examiner no matter how much you want to froth at the mouth about being able to find the word elsewhere in the report (and obviously not understanding it's meaning). And this despite the fact the man went to the trouble to state "Manner of death is is a statutory function of the medical examiner as part of a death certification for purposes of vital statistics and public health. Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process." Which is exactly what you do when you assert that homicide means he was killed by another person. If the man was killed (rather than dying of natural causes) by another person must be proven in a court of law. Neither you nor the medical examiner are allowed to decide that. The medical examiner was well aware of that as he pointed out. So what's your problem?

Holy fuck.

Nobody said that report convicts the cop. What a pathetic strawman. Of course he's entitled to a trial. One is coming up.

 

[9thIDdoc]

Autopsy said so

LOL

Liar. Nothing on there says he died from drugs.

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression

Manner of death: Homicide.

Read your own cut and paste:

"Manner of death classification is a statutory function of the medical examiner,..."
"Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process."

So that is what you immediately try to do.
"Homicide" is a medical term. "Murder" must be determined in a court of law.

Are you on Fentanyl? Where did I say the medical examiner's office prosecutes? I showed their report lists his death as a homicide (meaning he was killed, as opposed to suicide) and that kneeling on his neck contributed to it.

"Homicide is when one person kills another, while murder is homicide with intent (pre-planned). Murder is not defined by common law, rather it is defined by statute. However, homicide has quite a different connotation and results in different legal ramifications, sometimes none at all. "

Homicide literally means "the killing of a human". Suicide is a type of homicide and is an illegal act in many places.
The actual cause of death was stated to be cardiopulmonary arrest (meaning his heart stopped and he stopped breathing resulting in death).
Other significant conditions (which may have caused or contributed to his death) included arteriosclerotic heart disease, fentanyl intoxication (poisoning) and recent meth. use.

"Liar. Nothing on there says he died from drugs."

No, but nothing on there states he didn't die from drug overdose or that the actions of police contributed to his death. Also nothing states that he was killed any one else. That is simply your own misinterpretation.

"Homicide" does not mean the killing of a human, period. It means the killing of a human by another...

Definition of HOMICIDE

a person who kills another; a killing of one human being by another… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Which is why suicide is not a homicide...

http://www.bcps-mentalhealth.com/downloads/Suicide_Manual_2017.pdf

​

Suicide is not homicide. ​

"No, but nothing on there states he didn't die from drug overdose or that the actions of police contributed to his death. Also nothing states that he was killed any one else. That is simply your own misinterpretation."

It omits things that didn't kill him, like a piano falling on his head or a drug overdose. And yes, it does day the police actions contributed to his death...

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression​

​

Manner of death: Homicide​

​

View attachment 457089​

As I tried to explain to you earlier homicide is NOT listed as the cause of death so your attempts to twist the word to better suit yourself are irrelevant.
You simply fail to understand what is written plainly. Actual cause of death was the fact that his heart and lungs stopped working. He notes that death occurred while the man was being restrained by police but nowhere does he state that that contributed to the death. "Other significant conditions" list possible reasons his heart and lungs may have stopped and include heart disease/low blood pressure, fentanyl OD, and methamphetamine use. No trauma is mentioned. No reason to believe his death was caused by anyone else.

"As I tried to explain to you earlier homicide is NOT listed as the cause of death..."

Idiot.

View attachment 457292

Manner of death and cause of death are two different things which is why they are listed in two different sections. The homicide is not reported as the cause of death in the official report by the medical examiner no matter how much you want to froth at the mouth about being able to find the word elsewhere in the report (and obviously not understanding it's meaning). And this despite the fact the man went to the trouble to state "Manner of death is is a statutory function of the medical examiner as part of a death certification for purposes of vital statistics and public health. Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process." Which is exactly what you do when you assert that homicide means he was killed by another person. If the man was killed (rather than dying of natural causes) by another person must be proven in a court of law. Neither you nor the medical examiner are allowed to decide that. The medical examiner was well aware of that as he pointed out. So what's your problem?

Holy fuck.

Nobody said that report convicts the cop. What a pathetic strawman. Of course he's entitled to a trial. One is coming up.

"Nobody said that report convicts the cop. What a pathetic strawman. Of course he's entitled to a trial. One is coming up."

Correct. I didn't say so either and have no idea where you come up with such silly shit.
My point was that the report does not and can not state that a crime of any sort including murder was committed. It does not state that he was killed by another person as you keep trying to insist. By what is said in the report the man might just as well have died because of heart attack or drug overdose or (more likely) some combination thereof.

 

[Faun]

Autopsy said so

LOL

Liar. Nothing on there says he died from drugs.

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression

Manner of death: Homicide.

Read your own cut and paste:

"Manner of death classification is a statutory function of the medical examiner,..."
"Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process."

So that is what you immediately try to do.
"Homicide" is a medical term. "Murder" must be determined in a court of law.

Are you on Fentanyl? Where did I say the medical examiner's office prosecutes? I showed their report lists his death as a homicide (meaning he was killed, as opposed to suicide) and that kneeling on his neck contributed to it.

"Homicide is when one person kills another, while murder is homicide with intent (pre-planned). Murder is not defined by common law, rather it is defined by statute. However, homicide has quite a different connotation and results in different legal ramifications, sometimes none at all. "

Homicide literally means "the killing of a human". Suicide is a type of homicide and is an illegal act in many places.
The actual cause of death was stated to be cardiopulmonary arrest (meaning his heart stopped and he stopped breathing resulting in death).
Other significant conditions (which may have caused or contributed to his death) included arteriosclerotic heart disease, fentanyl intoxication (poisoning) and recent meth. use.

"Liar. Nothing on there says he died from drugs."

No, but nothing on there states he didn't die from drug overdose or that the actions of police contributed to his death. Also nothing states that he was killed any one else. That is simply your own misinterpretation.

"Homicide" does not mean the killing of a human, period. It means the killing of a human by another...

Definition of HOMICIDE

a person who kills another; a killing of one human being by another… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Which is why suicide is not a homicide...

http://www.bcps-mentalhealth.com/downloads/Suicide_Manual_2017.pdf

​

Suicide is not homicide. ​

"No, but nothing on there states he didn't die from drug overdose or that the actions of police contributed to his death. Also nothing states that he was killed any one else. That is simply your own misinterpretation."

It omits things that didn't kill him, like a piano falling on his head or a drug overdose. And yes, it does day the police actions contributed to his death...

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression​

​

Manner of death: Homicide​

​

View attachment 457089​

As I tried to explain to you earlier homicide is NOT listed as the cause of death so your attempts to twist the word to better suit yourself are irrelevant.
You simply fail to understand what is written plainly. Actual cause of death was the fact that his heart and lungs stopped working. He notes that death occurred while the man was being restrained by police but nowhere does he state that that contributed to the death. "Other significant conditions" list possible reasons his heart and lungs may have stopped and include heart disease/low blood pressure, fentanyl OD, and methamphetamine use. No trauma is mentioned. No reason to believe his death was caused by anyone else.

"As I tried to explain to you earlier homicide is NOT listed as the cause of death..."

Idiot.

View attachment 457292

Manner of death and cause of death are two different things which is why they are listed in two different sections. The homicide is not reported as the cause of death in the official report by the medical examiner no matter how much you want to froth at the mouth about being able to find the word elsewhere in the report (and obviously not understanding it's meaning). And this despite the fact the man went to the trouble to state "Manner of death is is a statutory function of the medical examiner as part of a death certification for purposes of vital statistics and public health. Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process." Which is exactly what you do when you assert that homicide means he was killed by another person. If the man was killed (rather than dying of natural causes) by another person must be proven in a court of law. Neither you nor the medical examiner are allowed to decide that. The medical examiner was well aware of that as he pointed out. So what's your problem?

Holy fuck.

Nobody said that report convicts the cop. What a pathetic strawman. Of course he's entitled to a trial. One is coming up.

"Nobody said that report convicts the cop. What a pathetic strawman. Of course he's entitled to a trial. One is coming up."

Correct. I didn't say so either and have no idea where you come up with such silly shit.
My point was that the report does not and can not state that a crime of any sort including murder was committed. It does not state that he was killed by another person as you keep trying to insist. By what is said in the report the man might just as well have died because of heart attack or drug overdose or (more likely) some combination thereof.

Of course you said so. You said so when you quoted..."Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process."

Again, I never said otherwise.

 

[9thIDdoc]

Autopsy said so

LOL

Liar. Nothing on there says he died from drugs.

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression

Manner of death: Homicide.

Read your own cut and paste:

"Manner of death classification is a statutory function of the medical examiner,..."
"Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process."

So that is what you immediately try to do.
"Homicide" is a medical term. "Murder" must be determined in a court of law.

Are you on Fentanyl? Where did I say the medical examiner's office prosecutes? I showed their report lists his death as a homicide (meaning he was killed, as opposed to suicide) and that kneeling on his neck contributed to it.

"Homicide is when one person kills another, while murder is homicide with intent (pre-planned). Murder is not defined by common law, rather it is defined by statute. However, homicide has quite a different connotation and results in different legal ramifications, sometimes none at all. "

Homicide literally means "the killing of a human". Suicide is a type of homicide and is an illegal act in many places.
The actual cause of death was stated to be cardiopulmonary arrest (meaning his heart stopped and he stopped breathing resulting in death).
Other significant conditions (which may have caused or contributed to his death) included arteriosclerotic heart disease, fentanyl intoxication (poisoning) and recent meth. use.

"Liar. Nothing on there says he died from drugs."

No, but nothing on there states he didn't die from drug overdose or that the actions of police contributed to his death. Also nothing states that he was killed any one else. That is simply your own misinterpretation.

"Homicide" does not mean the killing of a human, period. It means the killing of a human by another...

Definition of HOMICIDE

a person who kills another; a killing of one human being by another… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Which is why suicide is not a homicide...

http://www.bcps-mentalhealth.com/downloads/Suicide_Manual_2017.pdf

​

Suicide is not homicide. ​

"No, but nothing on there states he didn't die from drug overdose or that the actions of police contributed to his death. Also nothing states that he was killed any one else. That is simply your own misinterpretation."

It omits things that didn't kill him, like a piano falling on his head or a drug overdose. And yes, it does day the police actions contributed to his death...

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression​

​

Manner of death: Homicide​

​

View attachment 457089​

As I tried to explain to you earlier homicide is NOT listed as the cause of death so your attempts to twist the word to better suit yourself are irrelevant.
You simply fail to understand what is written plainly. Actual cause of death was the fact that his heart and lungs stopped working. He notes that death occurred while the man was being restrained by police but nowhere does he state that that contributed to the death. "Other significant conditions" list possible reasons his heart and lungs may have stopped and include heart disease/low blood pressure, fentanyl OD, and methamphetamine use. No trauma is mentioned. No reason to believe his death was caused by anyone else.

"As I tried to explain to you earlier homicide is NOT listed as the cause of death..."

Idiot.

View attachment 457292

Manner of death and cause of death are two different things which is why they are listed in two different sections. The homicide is not reported as the cause of death in the official report by the medical examiner no matter how much you want to froth at the mouth about being able to find the word elsewhere in the report (and obviously not understanding it's meaning). And this despite the fact the man went to the trouble to state "Manner of death is is a statutory function of the medical examiner as part of a death certification for purposes of vital statistics and public health. Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process." Which is exactly what you do when you assert that homicide means he was killed by another person. If the man was killed (rather than dying of natural causes) by another person must be proven in a court of law. Neither you nor the medical examiner are allowed to decide that. The medical examiner was well aware of that as he pointed out. So what's your problem?

Holy fuck.

Nobody said that report convicts the cop. What a pathetic strawman. Of course he's entitled to a trial. One is coming up.

"Nobody said that report convicts the cop. What a pathetic strawman. Of course he's entitled to a trial. One is coming up."

Correct. I didn't say so either and have no idea where you come up with such silly shit.
My point was that the report does not and can not state that a crime of any sort including murder was committed. It does not state that he was killed by another person as you keep trying to insist. By what is said in the report the man might just as well have died because of heart attack or drug overdose or (more likely) some combination thereof.

Of course you said so. You said so when you quoted..."Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process."

Again, I never said otherwise.

You did in fact say so when you claimed the report showed he was killed by an other person. It does not and that is a claim that must be proven in a court of law. Do you now deny this?

 

[Faun]

Autopsy said so

LOL

Liar. Nothing on there says he died from drugs.

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression

Manner of death: Homicide.

Read your own cut and paste:

"Manner of death classification is a statutory function of the medical examiner,..."
"Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process."

So that is what you immediately try to do.
"Homicide" is a medical term. "Murder" must be determined in a court of law.

Are you on Fentanyl? Where did I say the medical examiner's office prosecutes? I showed their report lists his death as a homicide (meaning he was killed, as opposed to suicide) and that kneeling on his neck contributed to it.

"Homicide is when one person kills another, while murder is homicide with intent (pre-planned). Murder is not defined by common law, rather it is defined by statute. However, homicide has quite a different connotation and results in different legal ramifications, sometimes none at all. "

Homicide literally means "the killing of a human". Suicide is a type of homicide and is an illegal act in many places.
The actual cause of death was stated to be cardiopulmonary arrest (meaning his heart stopped and he stopped breathing resulting in death).
Other significant conditions (which may have caused or contributed to his death) included arteriosclerotic heart disease, fentanyl intoxication (poisoning) and recent meth. use.

"Liar. Nothing on there says he died from drugs."

No, but nothing on there states he didn't die from drug overdose or that the actions of police contributed to his death. Also nothing states that he was killed any one else. That is simply your own misinterpretation.

"Homicide" does not mean the killing of a human, period. It means the killing of a human by another...

Definition of HOMICIDE

a person who kills another; a killing of one human being by another… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Which is why suicide is not a homicide...

http://www.bcps-mentalhealth.com/downloads/Suicide_Manual_2017.pdf

​

Suicide is not homicide. ​

"No, but nothing on there states he didn't die from drug overdose or that the actions of police contributed to his death. Also nothing states that he was killed any one else. That is simply your own misinterpretation."

It omits things that didn't kill him, like a piano falling on his head or a drug overdose. And yes, it does day the police actions contributed to his death...

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression​

​

Manner of death: Homicide​

​

View attachment 457089​

As I tried to explain to you earlier homicide is NOT listed as the cause of death so your attempts to twist the word to better suit yourself are irrelevant.
You simply fail to understand what is written plainly. Actual cause of death was the fact that his heart and lungs stopped working. He notes that death occurred while the man was being restrained by police but nowhere does he state that that contributed to the death. "Other significant conditions" list possible reasons his heart and lungs may have stopped and include heart disease/low blood pressure, fentanyl OD, and methamphetamine use. No trauma is mentioned. No reason to believe his death was caused by anyone else.

"As I tried to explain to you earlier homicide is NOT listed as the cause of death..."

Idiot.

View attachment 457292

Manner of death and cause of death are two different things which is why they are listed in two different sections. The homicide is not reported as the cause of death in the official report by the medical examiner no matter how much you want to froth at the mouth about being able to find the word elsewhere in the report (and obviously not understanding it's meaning). And this despite the fact the man went to the trouble to state "Manner of death is is a statutory function of the medical examiner as part of a death certification for purposes of vital statistics and public health. Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process." Which is exactly what you do when you assert that homicide means he was killed by another person. If the man was killed (rather than dying of natural causes) by another person must be proven in a court of law. Neither you nor the medical examiner are allowed to decide that. The medical examiner was well aware of that as he pointed out. So what's your problem?

Holy fuck.

Nobody said that report convicts the cop. What a pathetic strawman. Of course he's entitled to a trial. One is coming up.

"Nobody said that report convicts the cop. What a pathetic strawman. Of course he's entitled to a trial. One is coming up."

Correct. I didn't say so either and have no idea where you come up with such silly shit.
My point was that the report does not and can not state that a crime of any sort including murder was committed. It does not state that he was killed by another person as you keep trying to insist. By what is said in the report the man might just as well have died because of heart attack or drug overdose or (more likely) some combination thereof.

Of course you said so. You said so when you quoted..."Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process."

Again, I never said otherwise.

You did in fact say so when you claimed the report showed he was killed by an other person. It does not and that is a claim that must be proven in a court of law. Do you now deny this?

It does show that. You may not like that it lists homicide, but that's your problem, no one else's.

 

[jc456]

Autopsy said so

LOL

Liar. Nothing on there says he died from drugs.

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression

Manner of death: Homicide.

Read your own cut and paste:

"Manner of death classification is a statutory function of the medical examiner,..."
"Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process."

So that is what you immediately try to do.
"Homicide" is a medical term. "Murder" must be determined in a court of law.

Are you on Fentanyl? Where did I say the medical examiner's office prosecutes? I showed their report lists his death as a homicide (meaning he was killed, as opposed to suicide) and that kneeling on his neck contributed to it.

"Homicide is when one person kills another, while murder is homicide with intent (pre-planned). Murder is not defined by common law, rather it is defined by statute. However, homicide has quite a different connotation and results in different legal ramifications, sometimes none at all. "

Homicide literally means "the killing of a human". Suicide is a type of homicide and is an illegal act in many places.
The actual cause of death was stated to be cardiopulmonary arrest (meaning his heart stopped and he stopped breathing resulting in death).
Other significant conditions (which may have caused or contributed to his death) included arteriosclerotic heart disease, fentanyl intoxication (poisoning) and recent meth. use.

"Liar. Nothing on there says he died from drugs."

No, but nothing on there states he didn't die from drug overdose or that the actions of police contributed to his death. Also nothing states that he was killed any one else. That is simply your own misinterpretation.

"Homicide" does not mean the killing of a human, period. It means the killing of a human by another...

Definition of HOMICIDE

a person who kills another; a killing of one human being by another… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Which is why suicide is not a homicide...

http://www.bcps-mentalhealth.com/downloads/Suicide_Manual_2017.pdf

​

Suicide is not homicide. ​

"No, but nothing on there states he didn't die from drug overdose or that the actions of police contributed to his death. Also nothing states that he was killed any one else. That is simply your own misinterpretation."

It omits things that didn't kill him, like a piano falling on his head or a drug overdose. And yes, it does day the police actions contributed to his death...

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression​

​

Manner of death: Homicide​

​

View attachment 457089​

As I tried to explain to you earlier homicide is NOT listed as the cause of death so your attempts to twist the word to better suit yourself are irrelevant.
You simply fail to understand what is written plainly. Actual cause of death was the fact that his heart and lungs stopped working. He notes that death occurred while the man was being restrained by police but nowhere does he state that that contributed to the death. "Other significant conditions" list possible reasons his heart and lungs may have stopped and include heart disease/low blood pressure, fentanyl OD, and methamphetamine use. No trauma is mentioned. No reason to believe his death was caused by anyone else.

"As I tried to explain to you earlier homicide is NOT listed as the cause of death..."

Idiot.

View attachment 457292

Manner of death and cause of death are two different things which is why they are listed in two different sections. The homicide is not reported as the cause of death in the official report by the medical examiner no matter how much you want to froth at the mouth about being able to find the word elsewhere in the report (and obviously not understanding it's meaning). And this despite the fact the man went to the trouble to state "Manner of death is is a statutory function of the medical examiner as part of a death certification for purposes of vital statistics and public health. Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process." Which is exactly what you do when you assert that homicide means he was killed by another person. If the man was killed (rather than dying of natural causes) by another person must be proven in a court of law. Neither you nor the medical examiner are allowed to decide that. The medical examiner was well aware of that as he pointed out. So what's your problem?

Holy fuck.

Nobody said that report convicts the cop. What a pathetic strawman. Of course he's entitled to a trial. One is coming up.

"Nobody said that report convicts the cop. What a pathetic strawman. Of course he's entitled to a trial. One is coming up."

Correct. I didn't say so either and have no idea where you come up with such silly shit.
My point was that the report does not and can not state that a crime of any sort including murder was committed. It does not state that he was killed by another person as you keep trying to insist. By what is said in the report the man might just as well have died because of heart attack or drug overdose or (more likely) some combination thereof.

allergies I believe is what killed him.

 

[jc456]

Autopsy said so

LOL

Liar. Nothing on there says he died from drugs.

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression

Manner of death: Homicide.

Read your own cut and paste:

"Manner of death classification is a statutory function of the medical examiner,..."
"Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process."

So that is what you immediately try to do.
"Homicide" is a medical term. "Murder" must be determined in a court of law.

Are you on Fentanyl? Where did I say the medical examiner's office prosecutes? I showed their report lists his death as a homicide (meaning he was killed, as opposed to suicide) and that kneeling on his neck contributed to it.

"Homicide is when one person kills another, while murder is homicide with intent (pre-planned). Murder is not defined by common law, rather it is defined by statute. However, homicide has quite a different connotation and results in different legal ramifications, sometimes none at all. "

Homicide literally means "the killing of a human". Suicide is a type of homicide and is an illegal act in many places.
The actual cause of death was stated to be cardiopulmonary arrest (meaning his heart stopped and he stopped breathing resulting in death).
Other significant conditions (which may have caused or contributed to his death) included arteriosclerotic heart disease, fentanyl intoxication (poisoning) and recent meth. use.

"Liar. Nothing on there says he died from drugs."

No, but nothing on there states he didn't die from drug overdose or that the actions of police contributed to his death. Also nothing states that he was killed any one else. That is simply your own misinterpretation.

"Homicide" does not mean the killing of a human, period. It means the killing of a human by another...

Definition of HOMICIDE

a person who kills another; a killing of one human being by another… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Which is why suicide is not a homicide...

http://www.bcps-mentalhealth.com/downloads/Suicide_Manual_2017.pdf

​

Suicide is not homicide. ​

"No, but nothing on there states he didn't die from drug overdose or that the actions of police contributed to his death. Also nothing states that he was killed any one else. That is simply your own misinterpretation."

It omits things that didn't kill him, like a piano falling on his head or a drug overdose. And yes, it does day the police actions contributed to his death...

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression​

​

Manner of death: Homicide​

​

View attachment 457089​

As I tried to explain to you earlier homicide is NOT listed as the cause of death so your attempts to twist the word to better suit yourself are irrelevant.
You simply fail to understand what is written plainly. Actual cause of death was the fact that his heart and lungs stopped working. He notes that death occurred while the man was being restrained by police but nowhere does he state that that contributed to the death. "Other significant conditions" list possible reasons his heart and lungs may have stopped and include heart disease/low blood pressure, fentanyl OD, and methamphetamine use. No trauma is mentioned. No reason to believe his death was caused by anyone else.

"As I tried to explain to you earlier homicide is NOT listed as the cause of death..."

Idiot.

View attachment 457292

Manner of death and cause of death are two different things which is why they are listed in two different sections. The homicide is not reported as the cause of death in the official report by the medical examiner no matter how much you want to froth at the mouth about being able to find the word elsewhere in the report (and obviously not understanding it's meaning). And this despite the fact the man went to the trouble to state "Manner of death is is a statutory function of the medical examiner as part of a death certification for purposes of vital statistics and public health. Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process." Which is exactly what you do when you assert that homicide means he was killed by another person. If the man was killed (rather than dying of natural causes) by another person must be proven in a court of law. Neither you nor the medical examiner are allowed to decide that. The medical examiner was well aware of that as he pointed out. So what's your problem?

Homicide only means someone was murdered, that’s all, and that’s based off cause of death

No. Homicide means a human died. There are all sorts of homicide that are not murder. Homicide is a medical term and murder is a legal term that must be determined in a court of law.

Actually homicide means someone killed the victim

Vehicular homicide is someone who died in a car accident , smothered homicide is suffocated by someone


hom·i·cide
/ˈhäməˌsīd/
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nounNORTH AMERICAN
the deliberate and unlawful killing of one person by another; murder

Yes, that is one definition of homicide. Ever hear of justifiable homicide? That is neither illegal nor murder. Negligent homicide is illegal but not necessarily deliberate. Murder must be determined in a court of law. A medical examiner is not a court of law and does not and cannot legally determine that a death is murder. A medical examiner is a doctor who examines a body, states his findings, and states his opinions about the physical cause(s) of death.

Justified homicide not sure how I was wrong,

Your definition doesn't apply because it is neither illegal nor murder. What's not to understand?

it's not my definition, it's off a definition site. and homicide always means killed because of another or maybe suicide I guess.

 

[Faun]

Autopsy said so

LOL

Liar. Nothing on there says he died from drugs.

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression

Manner of death: Homicide.

Read your own cut and paste:

"Manner of death classification is a statutory function of the medical examiner,..."
"Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process."

So that is what you immediately try to do.
"Homicide" is a medical term. "Murder" must be determined in a court of law.

Are you on Fentanyl? Where did I say the medical examiner's office prosecutes? I showed their report lists his death as a homicide (meaning he was killed, as opposed to suicide) and that kneeling on his neck contributed to it.

"Homicide is when one person kills another, while murder is homicide with intent (pre-planned). Murder is not defined by common law, rather it is defined by statute. However, homicide has quite a different connotation and results in different legal ramifications, sometimes none at all. "

Homicide literally means "the killing of a human". Suicide is a type of homicide and is an illegal act in many places.
The actual cause of death was stated to be cardiopulmonary arrest (meaning his heart stopped and he stopped breathing resulting in death).
Other significant conditions (which may have caused or contributed to his death) included arteriosclerotic heart disease, fentanyl intoxication (poisoning) and recent meth. use.

"Liar. Nothing on there says he died from drugs."

No, but nothing on there states he didn't die from drug overdose or that the actions of police contributed to his death. Also nothing states that he was killed any one else. That is simply your own misinterpretation.

"Homicide" does not mean the killing of a human, period. It means the killing of a human by another...

Definition of HOMICIDE

a person who kills another; a killing of one human being by another… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Which is why suicide is not a homicide...

http://www.bcps-mentalhealth.com/downloads/Suicide_Manual_2017.pdf

​

Suicide is not homicide. ​

"No, but nothing on there states he didn't die from drug overdose or that the actions of police contributed to his death. Also nothing states that he was killed any one else. That is simply your own misinterpretation."

It omits things that didn't kill him, like a piano falling on his head or a drug overdose. And yes, it does day the police actions contributed to his death...

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression​

​

Manner of death: Homicide​

​

View attachment 457089​

As I tried to explain to you earlier homicide is NOT listed as the cause of death so your attempts to twist the word to better suit yourself are irrelevant.
You simply fail to understand what is written plainly. Actual cause of death was the fact that his heart and lungs stopped working. He notes that death occurred while the man was being restrained by police but nowhere does he state that that contributed to the death. "Other significant conditions" list possible reasons his heart and lungs may have stopped and include heart disease/low blood pressure, fentanyl OD, and methamphetamine use. No trauma is mentioned. No reason to believe his death was caused by anyone else.

"As I tried to explain to you earlier homicide is NOT listed as the cause of death..."

Idiot.

View attachment 457292

Manner of death and cause of death are two different things which is why they are listed in two different sections. The homicide is not reported as the cause of death in the official report by the medical examiner no matter how much you want to froth at the mouth about being able to find the word elsewhere in the report (and obviously not understanding it's meaning). And this despite the fact the man went to the trouble to state "Manner of death is is a statutory function of the medical examiner as part of a death certification for purposes of vital statistics and public health. Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process." Which is exactly what you do when you assert that homicide means he was killed by another person. If the man was killed (rather than dying of natural causes) by another person must be proven in a court of law. Neither you nor the medical examiner are allowed to decide that. The medical examiner was well aware of that as he pointed out. So what's your problem?

Homicide only means someone was murdered, that’s all, and that’s based off cause of death

No. Homicide means a human died. There are all sorts of homicide that are not murder. Homicide is a medical term and murder is a legal term that must be determined in a court of law.

Actually homicide means someone killed the victim

Vehicular homicide is someone who died in a car accident , smothered homicide is suffocated by someone


hom·i·cide
/ˈhäməˌsīd/
Learn to pronounce
nounNORTH AMERICAN
the deliberate and unlawful killing of one person by another; murder

Yes, that is one definition of homicide. Ever hear of justifiable homicide? That is neither illegal nor murder. Negligent homicide is illegal but not necessarily deliberate. Murder must be determined in a court of law. A medical examiner is not a court of law and does not and cannot legally determine that a death is murder. A medical examiner is a doctor who examines a body, states his findings, and states his opinions about the physical cause(s) of death.

Justified homicide not sure how I was wrong,

Your definition doesn't apply because it is neither illegal nor murder. What's not to understand?

it's not my definition, it's off a definition site. and homicide always means killed because of another or maybe suicide I guess.

Homicide is being killed by another person. How do you imagine suicide is homicide?

 

[9thIDdoc]

Autopsy said so

LOL

Liar. Nothing on there says he died from drugs.

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression

Manner of death: Homicide.

Read your own cut and paste:

"Manner of death classification is a statutory function of the medical examiner,..."
"Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process."

So that is what you immediately try to do.
"Homicide" is a medical term. "Murder" must be determined in a court of law.

Are you on Fentanyl? Where did I say the medical examiner's office prosecutes? I showed their report lists his death as a homicide (meaning he was killed, as opposed to suicide) and that kneeling on his neck contributed to it.

"Homicide is when one person kills another, while murder is homicide with intent (pre-planned). Murder is not defined by common law, rather it is defined by statute. However, homicide has quite a different connotation and results in different legal ramifications, sometimes none at all. "

Homicide literally means "the killing of a human". Suicide is a type of homicide and is an illegal act in many places.
The actual cause of death was stated to be cardiopulmonary arrest (meaning his heart stopped and he stopped breathing resulting in death).
Other significant conditions (which may have caused or contributed to his death) included arteriosclerotic heart disease, fentanyl intoxication (poisoning) and recent meth. use.

"Liar. Nothing on there says he died from drugs."

No, but nothing on there states he didn't die from drug overdose or that the actions of police contributed to his death. Also nothing states that he was killed any one else. That is simply your own misinterpretation.

"Homicide" does not mean the killing of a human, period. It means the killing of a human by another...

Definition of HOMICIDE

a person who kills another; a killing of one human being by another… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Which is why suicide is not a homicide...

http://www.bcps-mentalhealth.com/downloads/Suicide_Manual_2017.pdf

​

Suicide is not homicide. ​

"No, but nothing on there states he didn't die from drug overdose or that the actions of police contributed to his death. Also nothing states that he was killed any one else. That is simply your own misinterpretation."

It omits things that didn't kill him, like a piano falling on his head or a drug overdose. And yes, it does day the police actions contributed to his death...

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression​

​

Manner of death: Homicide​

​

View attachment 457089​

As I tried to explain to you earlier homicide is NOT listed as the cause of death so your attempts to twist the word to better suit yourself are irrelevant.
You simply fail to understand what is written plainly. Actual cause of death was the fact that his heart and lungs stopped working. He notes that death occurred while the man was being restrained by police but nowhere does he state that that contributed to the death. "Other significant conditions" list possible reasons his heart and lungs may have stopped and include heart disease/low blood pressure, fentanyl OD, and methamphetamine use. No trauma is mentioned. No reason to believe his death was caused by anyone else.

"As I tried to explain to you earlier homicide is NOT listed as the cause of death..."

Idiot.

View attachment 457292

Manner of death and cause of death are two different things which is why they are listed in two different sections. The homicide is not reported as the cause of death in the official report by the medical examiner no matter how much you want to froth at the mouth about being able to find the word elsewhere in the report (and obviously not understanding it's meaning). And this despite the fact the man went to the trouble to state "Manner of death is is a statutory function of the medical examiner as part of a death certification for purposes of vital statistics and public health. Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process." Which is exactly what you do when you assert that homicide means he was killed by another person. If the man was killed (rather than dying of natural causes) by another person must be proven in a court of law. Neither you nor the medical examiner are allowed to decide that. The medical examiner was well aware of that as he pointed out. So what's your problem?

Holy fuck.

Nobody said that report convicts the cop. What a pathetic strawman. Of course he's entitled to a trial. One is coming up.

"Nobody said that report convicts the cop. What a pathetic strawman. Of course he's entitled to a trial. One is coming up."

Correct. I didn't say so either and have no idea where you come up with such silly shit.
My point was that the report does not and can not state that a crime of any sort including murder was committed. It does not state that he was killed by another person as you keep trying to insist. By what is said in the report the man might just as well have died because of heart attack or drug overdose or (more likely) some combination thereof.

Of course you said so. You said so when you quoted..."Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process."

Again, I never said otherwise.

You did in fact say so when you claimed the report showed he was killed by an other person. It does not and that is a claim that must be proven in a court of law. Do you now deny this?

It does show that. You may not like that it lists homicide, but that's your problem, no one else's.

I certainly don't care that it mentions homicide because-unlike you- I understand the meaning of the word as used as well as the fact that it was not claimed as the cause of death. Reality is what it is; not whatever you imagine it to be. Feel free to indulge your self-delusion. Just don't expect anyone else to buy into it.

 

[Faun]

Autopsy said so

LOL

Liar. Nothing on there says he died from drugs.

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression

Manner of death: Homicide.

Read your own cut and paste:

"Manner of death classification is a statutory function of the medical examiner,..."
"Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process."

So that is what you immediately try to do.
"Homicide" is a medical term. "Murder" must be determined in a court of law.

Are you on Fentanyl? Where did I say the medical examiner's office prosecutes? I showed their report lists his death as a homicide (meaning he was killed, as opposed to suicide) and that kneeling on his neck contributed to it.

"Homicide is when one person kills another, while murder is homicide with intent (pre-planned). Murder is not defined by common law, rather it is defined by statute. However, homicide has quite a different connotation and results in different legal ramifications, sometimes none at all. "

Homicide literally means "the killing of a human". Suicide is a type of homicide and is an illegal act in many places.
The actual cause of death was stated to be cardiopulmonary arrest (meaning his heart stopped and he stopped breathing resulting in death).
Other significant conditions (which may have caused or contributed to his death) included arteriosclerotic heart disease, fentanyl intoxication (poisoning) and recent meth. use.

"Liar. Nothing on there says he died from drugs."

No, but nothing on there states he didn't die from drug overdose or that the actions of police contributed to his death. Also nothing states that he was killed any one else. That is simply your own misinterpretation.

"Homicide" does not mean the killing of a human, period. It means the killing of a human by another...

Definition of HOMICIDE

a person who kills another; a killing of one human being by another… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Which is why suicide is not a homicide...

http://www.bcps-mentalhealth.com/downloads/Suicide_Manual_2017.pdf

​

Suicide is not homicide. ​

"No, but nothing on there states he didn't die from drug overdose or that the actions of police contributed to his death. Also nothing states that he was killed any one else. That is simply your own misinterpretation."

It omits things that didn't kill him, like a piano falling on his head or a drug overdose. And yes, it does day the police actions contributed to his death...

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression​

​

Manner of death: Homicide​

​

View attachment 457089​

As I tried to explain to you earlier homicide is NOT listed as the cause of death so your attempts to twist the word to better suit yourself are irrelevant.
You simply fail to understand what is written plainly. Actual cause of death was the fact that his heart and lungs stopped working. He notes that death occurred while the man was being restrained by police but nowhere does he state that that contributed to the death. "Other significant conditions" list possible reasons his heart and lungs may have stopped and include heart disease/low blood pressure, fentanyl OD, and methamphetamine use. No trauma is mentioned. No reason to believe his death was caused by anyone else.

"As I tried to explain to you earlier homicide is NOT listed as the cause of death..."

Idiot.

View attachment 457292

Manner of death and cause of death are two different things which is why they are listed in two different sections. The homicide is not reported as the cause of death in the official report by the medical examiner no matter how much you want to froth at the mouth about being able to find the word elsewhere in the report (and obviously not understanding it's meaning). And this despite the fact the man went to the trouble to state "Manner of death is is a statutory function of the medical examiner as part of a death certification for purposes of vital statistics and public health. Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process." Which is exactly what you do when you assert that homicide means he was killed by another person. If the man was killed (rather than dying of natural causes) by another person must be proven in a court of law. Neither you nor the medical examiner are allowed to decide that. The medical examiner was well aware of that as he pointed out. So what's your problem?

Holy fuck.

Nobody said that report convicts the cop. What a pathetic strawman. Of course he's entitled to a trial. One is coming up.

"Nobody said that report convicts the cop. What a pathetic strawman. Of course he's entitled to a trial. One is coming up."

Correct. I didn't say so either and have no idea where you come up with such silly shit.
My point was that the report does not and can not state that a crime of any sort including murder was committed. It does not state that he was killed by another person as you keep trying to insist. By what is said in the report the man might just as well have died because of heart attack or drug overdose or (more likely) some combination thereof.

Of course you said so. You said so when you quoted..."Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process."

Again, I never said otherwise.

You did in fact say so when you claimed the report showed he was killed by an other person. It does not and that is a claim that must be proven in a court of law. Do you now deny this?

It does show that. You may not like that it lists homicide, but that's your problem, no one else's.

I certainly don't care that it mentions homicide because-unlike you- I understand the meaning of the word as used as well as the fact that it was not claimed as the cause of death. Reality is what it is; not whatever you imagine it to be. Feel free to indulge your self-delusion. Just don't expect anyone else to buy into it.

Yes, it means he was killed by another person. That's the definition of the word, "homicide."

 

[9thIDdoc]

Autopsy said so

LOL

Liar. Nothing on there says he died from drugs.

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression

Manner of death: Homicide.

Read your own cut and paste:

"Manner of death classification is a statutory function of the medical examiner,..."
"Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process."

So that is what you immediately try to do.
"Homicide" is a medical term. "Murder" must be determined in a court of law.

Are you on Fentanyl? Where did I say the medical examiner's office prosecutes? I showed their report lists his death as a homicide (meaning he was killed, as opposed to suicide) and that kneeling on his neck contributed to it.

"Homicide is when one person kills another, while murder is homicide with intent (pre-planned). Murder is not defined by common law, rather it is defined by statute. However, homicide has quite a different connotation and results in different legal ramifications, sometimes none at all. "

Homicide literally means "the killing of a human". Suicide is a type of homicide and is an illegal act in many places.
The actual cause of death was stated to be cardiopulmonary arrest (meaning his heart stopped and he stopped breathing resulting in death).
Other significant conditions (which may have caused or contributed to his death) included arteriosclerotic heart disease, fentanyl intoxication (poisoning) and recent meth. use.

"Liar. Nothing on there says he died from drugs."

No, but nothing on there states he didn't die from drug overdose or that the actions of police contributed to his death. Also nothing states that he was killed any one else. That is simply your own misinterpretation.

"Homicide" does not mean the killing of a human, period. It means the killing of a human by another...

Definition of HOMICIDE

a person who kills another; a killing of one human being by another… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Which is why suicide is not a homicide...

http://www.bcps-mentalhealth.com/downloads/Suicide_Manual_2017.pdf

​

Suicide is not homicide. ​

"No, but nothing on there states he didn't die from drug overdose or that the actions of police contributed to his death. Also nothing states that he was killed any one else. That is simply your own misinterpretation."

It omits things that didn't kill him, like a piano falling on his head or a drug overdose. And yes, it does day the police actions contributed to his death...

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression​

​

Manner of death: Homicide​

​

View attachment 457089​

As I tried to explain to you earlier homicide is NOT listed as the cause of death so your attempts to twist the word to better suit yourself are irrelevant.
You simply fail to understand what is written plainly. Actual cause of death was the fact that his heart and lungs stopped working. He notes that death occurred while the man was being restrained by police but nowhere does he state that that contributed to the death. "Other significant conditions" list possible reasons his heart and lungs may have stopped and include heart disease/low blood pressure, fentanyl OD, and methamphetamine use. No trauma is mentioned. No reason to believe his death was caused by anyone else.

"As I tried to explain to you earlier homicide is NOT listed as the cause of death..."

Idiot.

View attachment 457292

Manner of death and cause of death are two different things which is why they are listed in two different sections. The homicide is not reported as the cause of death in the official report by the medical examiner no matter how much you want to froth at the mouth about being able to find the word elsewhere in the report (and obviously not understanding it's meaning). And this despite the fact the man went to the trouble to state "Manner of death is is a statutory function of the medical examiner as part of a death certification for purposes of vital statistics and public health. Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process." Which is exactly what you do when you assert that homicide means he was killed by another person. If the man was killed (rather than dying of natural causes) by another person must be proven in a court of law. Neither you nor the medical examiner are allowed to decide that. The medical examiner was well aware of that as he pointed out. So what's your problem?

Homicide only means someone was murdered, that’s all, and that’s based off cause of death

No. Homicide means a human died. There are all sorts of homicide that are not murder. Homicide is a medical term and murder is a legal term that must be determined in a court of law.

Actually homicide means someone killed the victim

Vehicular homicide is someone who died in a car accident , smothered homicide is suffocated by someone


hom·i·cide
/ˈhäməˌsīd/
Learn to pronounce
nounNORTH AMERICAN
the deliberate and unlawful killing of one person by another; murder

Yes, that is one definition of homicide. Ever hear of justifiable homicide? That is neither illegal nor murder. Negligent homicide is illegal but not necessarily deliberate. Murder must be determined in a court of law. A medical examiner is not a court of law and does not and cannot legally determine that a death is murder. A medical examiner is a doctor who examines a body, states his findings, and states his opinions about the physical cause(s) of death.

Justified homicide not sure how I was wrong,

Your definition doesn't apply because it is neither illegal nor murder. What's not to understand?

it's not my definition, it's off a definition site. and homicide always means killed because of another or maybe suicide I guess.

You are unaware that words may have more than one definition?
Homicide Definition



Created by FindLaw's team of legal writers and editors | Last updated January 29, 2019
Not all homicides are crimes. However, all killings of humans are included in the homicide definition. Many homicides, such as murder and manslaughter, violate criminal laws. Others, such as a killing committed in justified self-defense, are not criminal. Illegal killings range from manslaughter to murder, with multiple degrees of each representing the gravity of the crime.

Read on to learn more about homicide definitions, when a homicide is not considered a crime, and when one could face civil liability for a wrongful death.

Homicide Definition - FindLaw

To begin with, not all homicides are crimes. Homicides include all killings of humans, but there are instances where homicides are justified. Learn more about this and related topics by visiting FindLaw's Criminal Charges section.

www.findlaw.com

While the medical examiner could not rule that the man was killed by someone else he likewise could not legally rule that he wasn't. Hence the use of the word homicide in "manner of death", not cause of death.

 

[Faun]

Autopsy said so

LOL

Liar. Nothing on there says he died from drugs.

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression

Manner of death: Homicide.

Read your own cut and paste:

"Manner of death classification is a statutory function of the medical examiner,..."
"Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process."

So that is what you immediately try to do.
"Homicide" is a medical term. "Murder" must be determined in a court of law.

Are you on Fentanyl? Where did I say the medical examiner's office prosecutes? I showed their report lists his death as a homicide (meaning he was killed, as opposed to suicide) and that kneeling on his neck contributed to it.

"Homicide is when one person kills another, while murder is homicide with intent (pre-planned). Murder is not defined by common law, rather it is defined by statute. However, homicide has quite a different connotation and results in different legal ramifications, sometimes none at all. "

Homicide literally means "the killing of a human". Suicide is a type of homicide and is an illegal act in many places.
The actual cause of death was stated to be cardiopulmonary arrest (meaning his heart stopped and he stopped breathing resulting in death).
Other significant conditions (which may have caused or contributed to his death) included arteriosclerotic heart disease, fentanyl intoxication (poisoning) and recent meth. use.

"Liar. Nothing on there says he died from drugs."

No, but nothing on there states he didn't die from drug overdose or that the actions of police contributed to his death. Also nothing states that he was killed any one else. That is simply your own misinterpretation.

"Homicide" does not mean the killing of a human, period. It means the killing of a human by another...

Definition of HOMICIDE

a person who kills another; a killing of one human being by another… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Which is why suicide is not a homicide...

http://www.bcps-mentalhealth.com/downloads/Suicide_Manual_2017.pdf

​

Suicide is not homicide. ​

"No, but nothing on there states he didn't die from drug overdose or that the actions of police contributed to his death. Also nothing states that he was killed any one else. That is simply your own misinterpretation."

It omits things that didn't kill him, like a piano falling on his head or a drug overdose. And yes, it does day the police actions contributed to his death...

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression​

​

Manner of death: Homicide​

​

View attachment 457089​

As I tried to explain to you earlier homicide is NOT listed as the cause of death so your attempts to twist the word to better suit yourself are irrelevant.
You simply fail to understand what is written plainly. Actual cause of death was the fact that his heart and lungs stopped working. He notes that death occurred while the man was being restrained by police but nowhere does he state that that contributed to the death. "Other significant conditions" list possible reasons his heart and lungs may have stopped and include heart disease/low blood pressure, fentanyl OD, and methamphetamine use. No trauma is mentioned. No reason to believe his death was caused by anyone else.

"As I tried to explain to you earlier homicide is NOT listed as the cause of death..."

Idiot.

View attachment 457292

Manner of death and cause of death are two different things which is why they are listed in two different sections. The homicide is not reported as the cause of death in the official report by the medical examiner no matter how much you want to froth at the mouth about being able to find the word elsewhere in the report (and obviously not understanding it's meaning). And this despite the fact the man went to the trouble to state "Manner of death is is a statutory function of the medical examiner as part of a death certification for purposes of vital statistics and public health. Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process." Which is exactly what you do when you assert that homicide means he was killed by another person. If the man was killed (rather than dying of natural causes) by another person must be proven in a court of law. Neither you nor the medical examiner are allowed to decide that. The medical examiner was well aware of that as he pointed out. So what's your problem?

Homicide only means someone was murdered, that’s all, and that’s based off cause of death

No. Homicide means a human died. There are all sorts of homicide that are not murder. Homicide is a medical term and murder is a legal term that must be determined in a court of law.

Actually homicide means someone killed the victim

Vehicular homicide is someone who died in a car accident , smothered homicide is suffocated by someone


hom·i·cide
/ˈhäməˌsīd/
Learn to pronounce
nounNORTH AMERICAN
the deliberate and unlawful killing of one person by another; murder

Yes, that is one definition of homicide. Ever hear of justifiable homicide? That is neither illegal nor murder. Negligent homicide is illegal but not necessarily deliberate. Murder must be determined in a court of law. A medical examiner is not a court of law and does not and cannot legally determine that a death is murder. A medical examiner is a doctor who examines a body, states his findings, and states his opinions about the physical cause(s) of death.

Justified homicide not sure how I was wrong,

Your definition doesn't apply because it is neither illegal nor murder. What's not to understand?

it's not my definition, it's off a definition site. and homicide always means killed because of another or maybe suicide I guess.

You are unaware that words may have more than one definition?
Homicide Definition



Created by FindLaw's team of legal writers and editors | Last updated January 29, 2019
Not all homicides are crimes. However, all killings of humans are included in the homicide definition. Many homicides, such as murder and manslaughter, violate criminal laws. Others, such as a killing committed in justified self-defense, are not criminal. Illegal killings range from manslaughter to murder, with multiple degrees of each representing the gravity of the crime.

Read on to learn more about homicide definitions, when a homicide is not considered a crime, and when one could face civil liability for a wrongful death.

Homicide Definition - FindLaw

To begin with, not all homicides are crimes. Homicides include all killings of humans, but there are instances where homicides are justified. Learn more about this and related topics by visiting FindLaw's Criminal Charges section.

www.findlaw.com

While the medical examiner could not rule that the man was killed by someone else he likewise could not legally rule that he wasn't. Hence the use of the word homicide in "manner of death", not cause of death.

Suicide is not homicide...

Definition of homicide​

​

1: a person who kills another​

​

2: a killing of one human being by another​

 

[jc456]

Autopsy said so

LOL

Liar. Nothing on there says he died from drugs.

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression

Manner of death: Homicide.

Read your own cut and paste:

"Manner of death classification is a statutory function of the medical examiner,..."
"Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process."

So that is what you immediately try to do.
"Homicide" is a medical term. "Murder" must be determined in a court of law.

Are you on Fentanyl? Where did I say the medical examiner's office prosecutes? I showed their report lists his death as a homicide (meaning he was killed, as opposed to suicide) and that kneeling on his neck contributed to it.

"Homicide is when one person kills another, while murder is homicide with intent (pre-planned). Murder is not defined by common law, rather it is defined by statute. However, homicide has quite a different connotation and results in different legal ramifications, sometimes none at all. "

Homicide literally means "the killing of a human". Suicide is a type of homicide and is an illegal act in many places.
The actual cause of death was stated to be cardiopulmonary arrest (meaning his heart stopped and he stopped breathing resulting in death).
Other significant conditions (which may have caused or contributed to his death) included arteriosclerotic heart disease, fentanyl intoxication (poisoning) and recent meth. use.

"Liar. Nothing on there says he died from drugs."

No, but nothing on there states he didn't die from drug overdose or that the actions of police contributed to his death. Also nothing states that he was killed any one else. That is simply your own misinterpretation.

"Homicide" does not mean the killing of a human, period. It means the killing of a human by another...

Definition of HOMICIDE

a person who kills another; a killing of one human being by another… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Which is why suicide is not a homicide...

http://www.bcps-mentalhealth.com/downloads/Suicide_Manual_2017.pdf

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Suicide is not homicide. ​

"No, but nothing on there states he didn't die from drug overdose or that the actions of police contributed to his death. Also nothing states that he was killed any one else. That is simply your own misinterpretation."

It omits things that didn't kill him, like a piano falling on his head or a drug overdose. And yes, it does day the police actions contributed to his death...

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression​

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Manner of death: Homicide​

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As I tried to explain to you earlier homicide is NOT listed as the cause of death so your attempts to twist the word to better suit yourself are irrelevant.
You simply fail to understand what is written plainly. Actual cause of death was the fact that his heart and lungs stopped working. He notes that death occurred while the man was being restrained by police but nowhere does he state that that contributed to the death. "Other significant conditions" list possible reasons his heart and lungs may have stopped and include heart disease/low blood pressure, fentanyl OD, and methamphetamine use. No trauma is mentioned. No reason to believe his death was caused by anyone else.

"As I tried to explain to you earlier homicide is NOT listed as the cause of death..."

Idiot.

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Manner of death and cause of death are two different things which is why they are listed in two different sections. The homicide is not reported as the cause of death in the official report by the medical examiner no matter how much you want to froth at the mouth about being able to find the word elsewhere in the report (and obviously not understanding it's meaning). And this despite the fact the man went to the trouble to state "Manner of death is is a statutory function of the medical examiner as part of a death certification for purposes of vital statistics and public health. Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process." Which is exactly what you do when you assert that homicide means he was killed by another person. If the man was killed (rather than dying of natural causes) by another person must be proven in a court of law. Neither you nor the medical examiner are allowed to decide that. The medical examiner was well aware of that as he pointed out. So what's your problem?

Homicide only means someone was murdered, that’s all, and that’s based off cause of death

No. Homicide means a human died. There are all sorts of homicide that are not murder. Homicide is a medical term and murder is a legal term that must be determined in a court of law.

Actually homicide means someone killed the victim

Vehicular homicide is someone who died in a car accident , smothered homicide is suffocated by someone


hom·i·cide
/ˈhäməˌsīd/
Learn to pronounce
nounNORTH AMERICAN
the deliberate and unlawful killing of one person by another; murder

Yes, that is one definition of homicide. Ever hear of justifiable homicide? That is neither illegal nor murder. Negligent homicide is illegal but not necessarily deliberate. Murder must be determined in a court of law. A medical examiner is not a court of law and does not and cannot legally determine that a death is murder. A medical examiner is a doctor who examines a body, states his findings, and states his opinions about the physical cause(s) of death.

Justified homicide not sure how I was wrong,

Your definition doesn't apply because it is neither illegal nor murder. What's not to understand?

it's not my definition, it's off a definition site. and homicide always means killed because of another or maybe suicide I guess.

You are unaware that words may have more than one definition?
Homicide Definition



Created by FindLaw's team of legal writers and editors | Last updated January 29, 2019
Not all homicides are crimes. However, all killings of humans are included in the homicide definition. Many homicides, such as murder and manslaughter, violate criminal laws. Others, such as a killing committed in justified self-defense, are not criminal. Illegal killings range from manslaughter to murder, with multiple degrees of each representing the gravity of the crime.

Read on to learn more about homicide definitions, when a homicide is not considered a crime, and when one could face civil liability for a wrongful death.

Homicide Definition - FindLaw

To begin with, not all homicides are crimes. Homicides include all killings of humans, but there are instances where homicides are justified. Learn more about this and related topics by visiting FindLaw's Criminal Charges section.

www.findlaw.com

While the medical examiner could not rule that the man was killed by someone else he likewise could not legally rule that he wasn't. Hence the use of the word homicide in "manner of death", not cause of death.

Your highlight sentence is what I said

 

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However, all killings of humans are included in the homicide definition.

Autopsy said so

LOL

Liar. Nothing on there says he died from drugs.

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression

Manner of death: Homicide.

Read your own cut and paste:

"Manner of death classification is a statutory function of the medical examiner,..."
"Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process."

So that is what you immediately try to do.
"Homicide" is a medical term. "Murder" must be determined in a court of law.

Are you on Fentanyl? Where did I say the medical examiner's office prosecutes? I showed their report lists his death as a homicide (meaning he was killed, as opposed to suicide) and that kneeling on his neck contributed to it.

"Homicide is when one person kills another, while murder is homicide with intent (pre-planned). Murder is not defined by common law, rather it is defined by statute. However, homicide has quite a different connotation and results in different legal ramifications, sometimes none at all. "

Homicide literally means "the killing of a human". Suicide is a type of homicide and is an illegal act in many places.
The actual cause of death was stated to be cardiopulmonary arrest (meaning his heart stopped and he stopped breathing resulting in death).
Other significant conditions (which may have caused or contributed to his death) included arteriosclerotic heart disease, fentanyl intoxication (poisoning) and recent meth. use.

"Liar. Nothing on there says he died from drugs."

No, but nothing on there states he didn't die from drug overdose or that the actions of police contributed to his death. Also nothing states that he was killed any one else. That is simply your own misinterpretation.

"Homicide" does not mean the killing of a human, period. It means the killing of a human by another...

Definition of HOMICIDE

a person who kills another; a killing of one human being by another… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Which is why suicide is not a homicide...

http://www.bcps-mentalhealth.com/downloads/Suicide_Manual_2017.pdf

​

Suicide is not homicide. ​

"No, but nothing on there states he didn't die from drug overdose or that the actions of police contributed to his death. Also nothing states that he was killed any one else. That is simply your own misinterpretation."

It omits things that didn't kill him, like a piano falling on his head or a drug overdose. And yes, it does day the police actions contributed to his death...

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression​

​

Manner of death: Homicide​

​

View attachment 457089​

As I tried to explain to you earlier homicide is NOT listed as the cause of death so your attempts to twist the word to better suit yourself are irrelevant.
You simply fail to understand what is written plainly. Actual cause of death was the fact that his heart and lungs stopped working. He notes that death occurred while the man was being restrained by police but nowhere does he state that that contributed to the death. "Other significant conditions" list possible reasons his heart and lungs may have stopped and include heart disease/low blood pressure, fentanyl OD, and methamphetamine use. No trauma is mentioned. No reason to believe his death was caused by anyone else.

"As I tried to explain to you earlier homicide is NOT listed as the cause of death..."

Idiot.

View attachment 457292

Manner of death and cause of death are two different things which is why they are listed in two different sections. The homicide is not reported as the cause of death in the official report by the medical examiner no matter how much you want to froth at the mouth about being able to find the word elsewhere in the report (and obviously not understanding it's meaning). And this despite the fact the man went to the trouble to state "Manner of death is is a statutory function of the medical examiner as part of a death certification for purposes of vital statistics and public health. Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process." Which is exactly what you do when you assert that homicide means he was killed by another person. If the man was killed (rather than dying of natural causes) by another person must be proven in a court of law. Neither you nor the medical examiner are allowed to decide that. The medical examiner was well aware of that as he pointed out. So what's your problem?

Homicide only means someone was murdered, that’s all, and that’s based off cause of death

No. Homicide means a human died. There are all sorts of homicide that are not murder. Homicide is a medical term and murder is a legal term that must be determined in a court of law.

Actually homicide means someone killed the victim

Vehicular homicide is someone who died in a car accident , smothered homicide is suffocated by someone


hom·i·cide
/ˈhäməˌsīd/
Learn to pronounce
nounNORTH AMERICAN
the deliberate and unlawful killing of one person by another; murder

Yes, that is one definition of homicide. Ever hear of justifiable homicide? That is neither illegal nor murder. Negligent homicide is illegal but not necessarily deliberate. Murder must be determined in a court of law. A medical examiner is not a court of law and does not and cannot legally determine that a death is murder. A medical examiner is a doctor who examines a body, states his findings, and states his opinions about the physical cause(s) of death.

Justified homicide not sure how I was wrong,

Your definition doesn't apply because it is neither illegal nor murder. What's not to understand?

it's not my definition, it's off a definition site. and homicide always means killed because of another or maybe suicide I guess.

You are unaware that words may have more than one definition?
Homicide Definition



Created by FindLaw's team of legal writers and editors | Last updated January 29, 2019
Not all homicides are crimes. However, all killings of humans are included in the homicide definition. Many homicides, such as murder and manslaughter, violate criminal laws. Others, such as a killing committed in justified self-defense, are not criminal. Illegal killings range from manslaughter to murder, with multiple degrees of each representing the gravity of the crime.

Read on to learn more about homicide definitions, when a homicide is not considered a crime, and when one could face civil liability for a wrongful death.

Homicide Definition - FindLaw

To begin with, not all homicides are crimes. Homicides include all killings of humans, but there are instances where homicides are justified. Learn more about this and related topics by visiting FindLaw's Criminal Charges section.

www.findlaw.com

While the medical examiner could not rule that the man was killed by someone else he likewise could not legally rule that he wasn't. Hence the use of the word homicide in "manner of death", not cause of death.

Your highlight sentence is what I said

However, all killings of humans are included in the homicide definition.

Notice that the definition does not only include killings by other humans and so would include accidents and natural causes. This is the definition used by the medical examiner.