Its starting ! The seizing of guns.

[Harpy Eagle]

Evidently not, even some people on USMB claim, having 40 rifles and 1,000's of rounds of ammo shouldn't be against the law.

Why should it be?

What other rights are there such a limit on?

 

[M14 Shooter]

WTF?
"The mechanics"?

Yes.
The person I responded to agreed the NY gun laws do not "prevent" people getting assault rifles and high-capacity magazines -- thus, his claim is the laws intended to prevent people from getting them "help".
-How, exactly, do these laws "help"?
-How does the law function in such a way that they "help"?

Evidently not, even some people on USMB claim, having 40 rifles and 1,000's of rounds of ammo shouldn't be against the law.

There's no sound, or constitutional , argument for creating any such limit on the exercise of the right to keep and bear arms by the law abiding, so...

 

[M14 Shooter]

All of those laws are meant to prevent people from doing the thing due to the risk of being punished for doing them.

Ah. You CHOOSE to miss the difference.

No. They were created to punish people when they do.
Laws, see, cannot prevent people from breaking the law.

NY passed the relevant laws with the intent to prevent exactly what we see here.
Clearly the NY laws are ineffective, and as such, unnecessary.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Ah. You CHOOSE to miss the difference.

No. They were created to punish people when they do.
Laws, see, cannot prevent people from breaking the law.

NY passed the relevant laws with the intent to prevent exactly what we see here.
Clearly the NY laws are ineffective, and as such, unnecessary.

Does the NY law punish people for violating it?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Does the NY law punish people for violating it?

Sometimes, I am sure.
Does not change the fact NY passed the relevant laws with the intent to prevent exactly what we see here.
And it clearly does not.
Thus, the NY laws are ineffective, and as such, unnecessary.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Does not change the fact NY passed the relevant laws with the intent to prevent exactly what we see here.

Can you offer some sort of evidence they pass this law with the sole intent to prevent what we see here?

Can you offer some sort of evidence this law was passed for different reasons than every other law?

Just to avoid confusing "because you said so" is not really the sort of evidence I am looking for.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Why should it be?

One person shouldn't be able to amass that many weapons for................what exactly?
Collectors aside.........for what?
I own 5, my wife thinks that too many, but that goes for tools also.
Like the old lady who has 40 cats in her apartment, eventually, nothing good will become of it.

What other rights are there such a limit on?

Don't know, restriction and laws are made reason, for people who stretch them to their limit, then there will be a limit.
Depending on which ones are stretched.
Yell, fire in a crowded theatre, that is a penalty in some states.
Is that a 1st amendment violation?

 

[M14 Shooter]

One person shouldn't be able to amass that many weapons for...

Your opinion does not constitute a sound, or constitutional , argument for creating any such limit on the exercise of the right to keep and bear arms by the law abiding.
Feel free to try again.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

One person shouldn't be able to amass that many weapons for................what exactly?
Collectors aside.........for what?

Because they want to. Does there need to be more of a reason than that?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Your opinion does not constitute a sound, or constitutional , argument

Sort of ironic considered all you give is your opinion about the NY law

 

[M14 Shooter]

Can you offer some sort of evidence they pass this law with the sole intent to prevent what we see here?

The New York State SAFE Act stops criminals and the dangerously mentally ill from buying a gun by requiring universal background checks on gun purchases, increases penalties for people who use illegal guns, mandates life in prison without parole for anyone who murders a first responder, and imposes the toughest assault weapons ban in the country. The Office of NICS Appeals and SAFE Act provides the guidance to mental health professionals on reporting requirements.

SAFE Act

And it clearly does not.
Thus, the NY laws are ineffective, and as such, unnecessary.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Sort of ironic considered all you give is your opinion about the NY law

Your apology, accepted.

 

[Dadoalex]

But... assault rifles and high-capacity magazines are illegal in NY.
Why didn't NY's gun laws prevent this?

Why didn't this "law abiding gun owner" just obey the law?

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Yes.
The person I responded to agreed the NY gun laws do not "prevent" people getting assault rifles and high-capacity magazines -- thus, his claim is the laws intended to prevent people from getting them "help".
-How, exactly, do these laws "help"?

They arrested the person.
Some people learn from others mistakes.
So, they avoid them by observation.

-How does the law function in such a way that they "help"?

See above.

There's no sound, or constitutional , argument for creating any such limit on the exercise of the right to keep and bear arms by the law abiding, so...

OK, if you say so.
As you have plenty of times before.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Your opinion

That's true, MY opinion.

does not constitute a sound, or constitutional , argument for creating any such limit on the exercise of the right to keep and bear arms by the law abiding.

YOUR opinion.

Feel free to try again.

Batter up.

 

[M14 Shooter]

They arrested the person.
Some people learn from others mistakes.
So, they avoid them by observation.

They arrested the person... after he committed the crime.
Thus, the law did not "help" as the crime was already committed.

OK, if you say so.

Feel free to demonstrate otherwise - else, I accept your concession.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Why didn't this "law abiding gun owner" just obey the law?

Who claimed he was a law abiding gun owner?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The New York State SAFE Act stops criminals and the dangerously mentally ill from buying a gun by requiring universal background checks on gun purchases, increases penalties for people who use illegal guns, mandates life in prison without parole for anyone who murders a first responder, and imposes the toughest assault weapons ban in the country. The Office of NICS Appeals and SAFE Act provides the guidance to mental health professionals on reporting requirements.

SAFE Act

And it clearly does not.
Thus, the NY laws are ineffective, and as such, unnecessary.

It does not do these things....increases penalties for people who use illegal guns, mandates life in prison without parole for anyone who murders a first responder

 

[M14 Shooter]

It does not do these things....

The New York State SAFE Act stops criminals....
^^^^
Proof of the intent I claimed - to prevent exactly what we see here.
And it clearly does not.
Thus, the NY laws are ineffective, and as such, unnecessary.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Because they want to. Does there need to be more of a reason than that?

Besides farmers, would anyone WANT to amass 5,000 lbs, of Ammonium Nitrate in their suburban garage...........for their 'garden"?