James Madison's Nightmare.

[eagle1462010]

 

[georgephillip]

Madison feared MOB rule...........he and the founders did everything they could do to prevent it in the future.

Madison's Nightmare has come true.

America Is Living James Madison’s Nightmare

Madison was determined, in drafting the Constitution, to avoid the fate of those “ancient and modern confederacies,” which he believed had succumbed to rule by demagogues and mobs. Madison’s reading convinced him that direct democracies—such as the assembly in Athens, where 6,000 citizens were required for a quorum—unleashed populist passions that overcame the cool, deliberative reason prized above all by Enlightenment thinkers. “In all very numerous assemblies, of whatever characters composed, passion never fails to wrest the sceptre from reason,” he argued in The Federalist Papers, the essays he wrote (along with Alexander Hamilton and John Jay) to build support for the ratification of the Constitution. “Had every Athenian citizen been a Socrates, every Athenian assembly would still have been a mob.”

In Madison’s view, history seemed to be repeating itself in America. After the Revolutionary War, he had observed in Massachusetts “a rage for paper money, for abolition of debts, for an equal division of property.” That populist rage had led to Shays’s Rebellion, which pitted a band of debtors against their creditors.

The Avalon Project : The Federalist Papers No. 10

What did Madison have to say about three-fifths of a mob?

James Madison - Wikipedia

"Madison grew up on a plantation that made use of slave labor and he viewed the institution as a necessary part of the Southern economy, though he was troubled by the instability of a society that depended on a large enslaved population.[227]

"Madison failed to free any of his slaves either during his lifetime or in his will.[228]

"At the Philadelphia Convention, Madison favored an immediate end to the importation of slaves, though the final document barred Congress from interfering with the international slave trade until 1808. [229](The domestic trade in slaves was expressly permitted by the constitution.)[230]

"He also proposed that apportionment in the United States Senate be allocated by the sum of each state's free population and slave population, eventually leading to the adoption of the Three-Fifths Compromise."

In a Republic a Super Majority can CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION. But it would require a Super Majority in the Senate, and the States to PERMIT THE CHANGE...........

Which happens VERY SELDOM. ........The very purpose of a Republic is to make laws difficult to pass. That same purpose makes it Nearly IMPOSSIBLE to change the Constitution.

We rejected the Kings and Queens of England and Europe.............and their FUEDALISM.

We rejected the Kings and Queens of England and Europe.............and their FUEDALISM.

Elites like Madison rejected hereditary political privilege because they had no other choice after declaring independence, but they supported the same economic faction as their European peers.

The 3 Richest Americans Hold More Wealth Than Bottom 50% Of The Country, Study Finds

 

[eagle1462010]

Madison feared MOB rule...........he and the founders did everything they could do to prevent it in the future.

Madison's Nightmare has come true.

America Is Living James Madison’s Nightmare

Madison was determined, in drafting the Constitution, to avoid the fate of those “ancient and modern confederacies,” which he believed had succumbed to rule by demagogues and mobs. Madison’s reading convinced him that direct democracies—such as the assembly in Athens, where 6,000 citizens were required for a quorum—unleashed populist passions that overcame the cool, deliberative reason prized above all by Enlightenment thinkers. “In all very numerous assemblies, of whatever characters composed, passion never fails to wrest the sceptre from reason,” he argued in The Federalist Papers, the essays he wrote (along with Alexander Hamilton and John Jay) to build support for the ratification of the Constitution. “Had every Athenian citizen been a Socrates, every Athenian assembly would still have been a mob.”

In Madison’s view, history seemed to be repeating itself in America. After the Revolutionary War, he had observed in Massachusetts “a rage for paper money, for abolition of debts, for an equal division of property.” That populist rage had led to Shays’s Rebellion, which pitted a band of debtors against their creditors.

The Avalon Project : The Federalist Papers No. 10

What did Madison have to say about three-fifths of a mob?

James Madison - Wikipedia

"Madison grew up on a plantation that made use of slave labor and he viewed the institution as a necessary part of the Southern economy, though he was troubled by the instability of a society that depended on a large enslaved population.[227]

"Madison failed to free any of his slaves either during his lifetime or in his will.[228]

"At the Philadelphia Convention, Madison favored an immediate end to the importation of slaves, though the final document barred Congress from interfering with the international slave trade until 1808. [229](The domestic trade in slaves was expressly permitted by the constitution.)[230]

"He also proposed that apportionment in the United States Senate be allocated by the sum of each state's free population and slave population, eventually leading to the adoption of the Three-Fifths Compromise."

In a Republic a Super Majority can CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION. But it would require a Super Majority in the Senate, and the States to PERMIT THE CHANGE...........

Which happens VERY SELDOM. ........The very purpose of a Republic is to make laws difficult to pass. That same purpose makes it Nearly IMPOSSIBLE to change the Constitution.

We rejected the Kings and Queens of England and Europe.............and their FUEDALISM.

We rejected the Kings and Queens of England and Europe.............and their FUEDALISM.

Elites like Madison rejected hereditary political privilege because they had no other choice after declaring independence, but they supported the same economic faction as their European peers.

The 3 Richest Americans Hold More Wealth Than Bottom 50% Of The Country, Study Finds

We rejected English views back then...........and still do.........George.

 

[georgephillip]

Madison feared MOB rule...........he and the founders did everything they could do to prevent it in the future.

Madison's Nightmare has come true.

America Is Living James Madison’s Nightmare

Madison was determined, in drafting the Constitution, to avoid the fate of those “ancient and modern confederacies,” which he believed had succumbed to rule by demagogues and mobs. Madison’s reading convinced him that direct democracies—such as the assembly in Athens, where 6,000 citizens were required for a quorum—unleashed populist passions that overcame the cool, deliberative reason prized above all by Enlightenment thinkers. “In all very numerous assemblies, of whatever characters composed, passion never fails to wrest the sceptre from reason,” he argued in The Federalist Papers, the essays he wrote (along with Alexander Hamilton and John Jay) to build support for the ratification of the Constitution. “Had every Athenian citizen been a Socrates, every Athenian assembly would still have been a mob.”

In Madison’s view, history seemed to be repeating itself in America. After the Revolutionary War, he had observed in Massachusetts “a rage for paper money, for abolition of debts, for an equal division of property.” That populist rage had led to Shays’s Rebellion, which pitted a band of debtors against their creditors.

The Avalon Project : The Federalist Papers No. 10

What did Madison have to say about three-fifths of a mob?

James Madison - Wikipedia

"Madison grew up on a plantation that made use of slave labor and he viewed the institution as a necessary part of the Southern economy, though he was troubled by the instability of a society that depended on a large enslaved population.[227]

"Madison failed to free any of his slaves either during his lifetime or in his will.[228]

"At the Philadelphia Convention, Madison favored an immediate end to the importation of slaves, though the final document barred Congress from interfering with the international slave trade until 1808. [229](The domestic trade in slaves was expressly permitted by the constitution.)[230]

"He also proposed that apportionment in the United States Senate be allocated by the sum of each state's free population and slave population, eventually leading to the adoption of the Three-Fifths Compromise."

In a Republic a Super Majority can CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION. But it would require a Super Majority in the Senate, and the States to PERMIT THE CHANGE...........

Which happens VERY SELDOM. ........The very purpose of a Republic is to make laws difficult to pass. That same purpose makes it Nearly IMPOSSIBLE to change the Constitution.

We rejected the Kings and Queens of England and Europe.............and their FUEDALISM.

We rejected the Kings and Queens of England and Europe.............and their FUEDALISM.

Elites like Madison rejected hereditary political privilege because they had no other choice after declaring independence, but they supported the same economic faction as their European peers.

The 3 Richest Americans Hold More Wealth Than Bottom 50% Of The Country, Study Finds

We rejected English views back then...........and still do.........George.

We rejected English views back then...........and still do.........George

Elites among us have never rejected the ancient faction endorsing rule by the rich.

The 3 Richest Americans Hold More Wealth Than Bottom 50% Of The Country, Study Finds

"Most dramatically, it found that the country’s three richest individuals—Bill Gates, Warren Buffett and Jeff Bezos—collectively hold more wealth than the bottom 50% of the domestic population, 'a total of 160 million people or 63 million American households.' Roughly a fifth of Americans “have zero or negative net worth,' the authors wrote."

It is levels of economic inequality like ours that destroys Republics and Democracies, and there seems little doubt which side Madison would have supported.

 

[eagle1462010]

Madison feared MOB rule...........he and the founders did everything they could do to prevent it in the future.

Madison's Nightmare has come true.

America Is Living James Madison’s Nightmare

Madison was determined, in drafting the Constitution, to avoid the fate of those “ancient and modern confederacies,” which he believed had succumbed to rule by demagogues and mobs. Madison’s reading convinced him that direct democracies—such as the assembly in Athens, where 6,000 citizens were required for a quorum—unleashed populist passions that overcame the cool, deliberative reason prized above all by Enlightenment thinkers. “In all very numerous assemblies, of whatever characters composed, passion never fails to wrest the sceptre from reason,” he argued in The Federalist Papers, the essays he wrote (along with Alexander Hamilton and John Jay) to build support for the ratification of the Constitution. “Had every Athenian citizen been a Socrates, every Athenian assembly would still have been a mob.”

In Madison’s view, history seemed to be repeating itself in America. After the Revolutionary War, he had observed in Massachusetts “a rage for paper money, for abolition of debts, for an equal division of property.” That populist rage had led to Shays’s Rebellion, which pitted a band of debtors against their creditors.

The Avalon Project : The Federalist Papers No. 10

What did Madison have to say about three-fifths of a mob?

James Madison - Wikipedia

"Madison grew up on a plantation that made use of slave labor and he viewed the institution as a necessary part of the Southern economy, though he was troubled by the instability of a society that depended on a large enslaved population.[227]

"Madison failed to free any of his slaves either during his lifetime or in his will.[228]

"At the Philadelphia Convention, Madison favored an immediate end to the importation of slaves, though the final document barred Congress from interfering with the international slave trade until 1808. [229](The domestic trade in slaves was expressly permitted by the constitution.)[230]

"He also proposed that apportionment in the United States Senate be allocated by the sum of each state's free population and slave population, eventually leading to the adoption of the Three-Fifths Compromise."

In a Republic a Super Majority can CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION. But it would require a Super Majority in the Senate, and the States to PERMIT THE CHANGE...........

Which happens VERY SELDOM. ........The very purpose of a Republic is to make laws difficult to pass. That same purpose makes it Nearly IMPOSSIBLE to change the Constitution.

We rejected the Kings and Queens of England and Europe.............and their FUEDALISM.

We rejected the Kings and Queens of England and Europe.............and their FUEDALISM.

Elites like Madison rejected hereditary political privilege because they had no other choice after declaring independence, but they supported the same economic faction as their European peers.

The 3 Richest Americans Hold More Wealth Than Bottom 50% Of The Country, Study Finds

We rejected English views back then...........and still do.........George.

We rejected English views back then...........and still do.........George

Elites among us have never rejected the ancient faction endorsing rule by the rich.

The 3 Richest Americans Hold More Wealth Than Bottom 50% Of The Country, Study Finds

"Most dramatically, it found that the country’s three richest individuals—Bill Gates, Warren Buffett and Jeff Bezos—collectively hold more wealth than the bottom 50% of the domestic population, 'a total of 160 million people or 63 million American households.' Roughly a fifth of Americans “have zero or negative net worth,' the authors wrote."

It is levels of economic inequality like ours that destroys Republics and Democracies, and there seems little doubt which side Madison would have supported.

You are using the standard liberal tactics of DEFLECTION. Because you don't like the subject.

You have already attempted the Character Assassination of Madison to Divert the Thread.

WE ARE A REPUBLIC..............the left is the MOB.

 

[Flopper]

Madison feared MOB rule...........he and the founders did everything they could do to prevent it in the future.

Madison's Nightmare has come true.

America Is Living James Madison’s Nightmare

Madison was determined, in drafting the Constitution, to avoid the fate of those “ancient and modern confederacies,” which he believed had succumbed to rule by demagogues and mobs. Madison’s reading convinced him that direct democracies—such as the assembly in Athens, where 6,000 citizens were required for a quorum—unleashed populist passions that overcame the cool, deliberative reason prized above all by Enlightenment thinkers. “In all very numerous assemblies, of whatever characters composed, passion never fails to wrest the sceptre from reason,” he argued in The Federalist Papers, the essays he wrote (along with Alexander Hamilton and John Jay) to build support for the ratification of the Constitution. “Had every Athenian citizen been a Socrates, every Athenian assembly would still have been a mob.”

In Madison’s view, history seemed to be repeating itself in America. After the Revolutionary War, he had observed in Massachusetts “a rage for paper money, for abolition of debts, for an equal division of property.” That populist rage had led to Shays’s Rebellion, which pitted a band of debtors against their creditors.

The Avalon Project : The Federalist Papers No. 10

Madison as many of elite colonist believed, governing should be reserved for the privileged few elected by the gentry, male white property owners. Madison was the son a large plantation owner in Virginia who owned hundreds of slaves. He was educated by a private tutor and attended college studding Latin, Greek, and theology. Madison was a supporter of the 3/5 compromise in which a slave was only worth 3/5 of a white person in a population count. Many believed since slaves were property they should not be counted at all. Madison as well as a number founders would be horrified by what has happening to their nation. It would be unthinkable that a black man would every be allowed to vote much less run for office. And to allow women and the riffraff who did not own property to vote would be horrifying.

 

[eagle1462010]

Madison feared MOB rule...........he and the founders did everything they could do to prevent it in the future.

Madison's Nightmare has come true.

America Is Living James Madison’s Nightmare

Madison was determined, in drafting the Constitution, to avoid the fate of those “ancient and modern confederacies,” which he believed had succumbed to rule by demagogues and mobs. Madison’s reading convinced him that direct democracies—such as the assembly in Athens, where 6,000 citizens were required for a quorum—unleashed populist passions that overcame the cool, deliberative reason prized above all by Enlightenment thinkers. “In all very numerous assemblies, of whatever characters composed, passion never fails to wrest the sceptre from reason,” he argued in The Federalist Papers, the essays he wrote (along with Alexander Hamilton and John Jay) to build support for the ratification of the Constitution. “Had every Athenian citizen been a Socrates, every Athenian assembly would still have been a mob.”

In Madison’s view, history seemed to be repeating itself in America. After the Revolutionary War, he had observed in Massachusetts “a rage for paper money, for abolition of debts, for an equal division of property.” That populist rage had led to Shays’s Rebellion, which pitted a band of debtors against their creditors.

The Avalon Project : The Federalist Papers No. 10

Madison as many of elite colonist believed, governing should be reserved for the privileged few elected by the gentry, male white property owners. Madison was the son a large plantation owner in Virginia who owned hundreds of slaves. He was educated by a private tutor and attended college studding Latin, Greek, and theology. Madison was a supporter of the 3/5 compromise in which a slave was only worth 3/5 of a white person in a population count. Many believed since slaves were property they should not be count at all. Madison as well as a number founders would be horrified by what has happening to their nation. It would be unthinkable that a black man would every be allowed to vote much less run for office. And to allow women and the riffraff to who did not own property to vote would be horrifying.

In that ERA............was that NORMAL.........

It's easy to look through the looking glass and go that's screwed up. But in the time.......in that ERA....was it the same..........No it wasn't.

 

[Flopper]

Madison feared MOB rule...........he and the founders did everything they could do to prevent it in the future.

Madison's Nightmare has come true.

America Is Living James Madison’s Nightmare

Madison was determined, in drafting the Constitution, to avoid the fate of those “ancient and modern confederacies,” which he believed had succumbed to rule by demagogues and mobs. Madison’s reading convinced him that direct democracies—such as the assembly in Athens, where 6,000 citizens were required for a quorum—unleashed populist passions that overcame the cool, deliberative reason prized above all by Enlightenment thinkers. “In all very numerous assemblies, of whatever characters composed, passion never fails to wrest the sceptre from reason,” he argued in The Federalist Papers, the essays he wrote (along with Alexander Hamilton and John Jay) to build support for the ratification of the Constitution. “Had every Athenian citizen been a Socrates, every Athenian assembly would still have been a mob.”

In Madison’s view, history seemed to be repeating itself in America. After the Revolutionary War, he had observed in Massachusetts “a rage for paper money, for abolition of debts, for an equal division of property.” That populist rage had led to Shays’s Rebellion, which pitted a band of debtors against their creditors.

The Avalon Project : The Federalist Papers No. 10

What did Madison have to say about three-fifths of a mob?

James Madison - Wikipedia

"Madison grew up on a plantation that made use of slave labor and he viewed the institution as a necessary part of the Southern economy, though he was troubled by the instability of a society that depended on a large enslaved population.[227]

"Madison failed to free any of his slaves either during his lifetime or in his will.[228]

"At the Philadelphia Convention, Madison favored an immediate end to the importation of slaves, though the final document barred Congress from interfering with the international slave trade until 1808. [229](The domestic trade in slaves was expressly permitted by the constitution.)[230]

"He also proposed that apportionment in the United States Senate be allocated by the sum of each state's free population and slave population, eventually leading to the adoption of the Three-Fifths Compromise."

In a Republic a Super Majority can CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION. But it would require a Super Majority in the Senate, and the States to PERMIT THE CHANGE...........

Which happens VERY SELDOM. ........The very purpose of a Republic is to make laws difficult to pass. That same purpose makes it Nearly IMPOSSIBLE to change the Constitution.

We rejected the Kings and Queens of England and Europe.............and their FUEDALISM.

We rejected the Kings and Queens of England and Europe.............and their FUEDALISM.

Elites like Madison rejected hereditary political privilege because they had no other choice after declaring independence, but they supported the same economic faction as their European peers.

The 3 Richest Americans Hold More Wealth Than Bottom 50% Of The Country, Study Finds

Unless we find a reasonable way to change this, as a nation we will find ourselves disappearing into absurdity and chaos.

 

[georgephillip]

Madison feared MOB rule...........he and the founders did everything they could do to prevent it in the future.

Madison's Nightmare has come true.

America Is Living James Madison’s Nightmare

Madison was determined, in drafting the Constitution, to avoid the fate of those “ancient and modern confederacies,” which he believed had succumbed to rule by demagogues and mobs. Madison’s reading convinced him that direct democracies—such as the assembly in Athens, where 6,000 citizens were required for a quorum—unleashed populist passions that overcame the cool, deliberative reason prized above all by Enlightenment thinkers. “In all very numerous assemblies, of whatever characters composed, passion never fails to wrest the sceptre from reason,” he argued in The Federalist Papers, the essays he wrote (along with Alexander Hamilton and John Jay) to build support for the ratification of the Constitution. “Had every Athenian citizen been a Socrates, every Athenian assembly would still have been a mob.”

In Madison’s view, history seemed to be repeating itself in America. After the Revolutionary War, he had observed in Massachusetts “a rage for paper money, for abolition of debts, for an equal division of property.” That populist rage had led to Shays’s Rebellion, which pitted a band of debtors against their creditors.

The Avalon Project : The Federalist Papers No. 10

What did Madison have to say about three-fifths of a mob?

James Madison - Wikipedia

"Madison grew up on a plantation that made use of slave labor and he viewed the institution as a necessary part of the Southern economy, though he was troubled by the instability of a society that depended on a large enslaved population.[227]

"Madison failed to free any of his slaves either during his lifetime or in his will.[228]

"At the Philadelphia Convention, Madison favored an immediate end to the importation of slaves, though the final document barred Congress from interfering with the international slave trade until 1808. [229](The domestic trade in slaves was expressly permitted by the constitution.)[230]

"He also proposed that apportionment in the United States Senate be allocated by the sum of each state's free population and slave population, eventually leading to the adoption of the Three-Fifths Compromise."

In a Republic a Super Majority can CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION. But it would require a Super Majority in the Senate, and the States to PERMIT THE CHANGE...........

Which happens VERY SELDOM. ........The very purpose of a Republic is to make laws difficult to pass. That same purpose makes it Nearly IMPOSSIBLE to change the Constitution.

We rejected the Kings and Queens of England and Europe.............and their FUEDALISM.

We rejected the Kings and Queens of England and Europe.............and their FUEDALISM.

Elites like Madison rejected hereditary political privilege because they had no other choice after declaring independence, but they supported the same economic faction as their European peers.

The 3 Richest Americans Hold More Wealth Than Bottom 50% Of The Country, Study Finds

Unless we find a reasonable way to change this, as a nation we will find ourselves disappearing into absurdity and chaos.

Unless we find a reasonable way to change this, as a nation we will ourselves disappear into absurdity and chaos.

The 3 Richest Americans Hold More Wealth Than Bottom 50% Of The Country, Study Finds

"In its report, the think tank also found that, collectively, the individuals on The Forbes 400 hold more wealth than the bottom 64% of the country, 'more people than the populations of Mexico and Canada combined.'

"Altogether, the list members were worth $2.7 trillion this year, a 59% increase over the last five years alone.

"The net worth of the median American family, meanwhile, has declined by about 3% on an inflation-adjusted basis since Forbes began publishing the 400 in the early 1980s, the institute says.

"It reports that the typical U.S. family is presently worth some $80,000."

Perhaps Trump serves something of a useful purpose by bringing subjects like this to platforms like the recent debates among Democrats hoping to replace him?

It is hard for me to shake the sense of a very slow moving corporate coup d' etat moving through this country that isn't much affected by voters who "choose" between Republican or Democrat on election day.

 

[Flopper]

Madison feared MOB rule...........he and the founders did everything they could do to prevent it in the future.

Madison's Nightmare has come true.

America Is Living James Madison’s Nightmare

Madison was determined, in drafting the Constitution, to avoid the fate of those “ancient and modern confederacies,” which he believed had succumbed to rule by demagogues and mobs. Madison’s reading convinced him that direct democracies—such as the assembly in Athens, where 6,000 citizens were required for a quorum—unleashed populist passions that overcame the cool, deliberative reason prized above all by Enlightenment thinkers. “In all very numerous assemblies, of whatever characters composed, passion never fails to wrest the sceptre from reason,” he argued in The Federalist Papers, the essays he wrote (along with Alexander Hamilton and John Jay) to build support for the ratification of the Constitution. “Had every Athenian citizen been a Socrates, every Athenian assembly would still have been a mob.”

In Madison’s view, history seemed to be repeating itself in America. After the Revolutionary War, he had observed in Massachusetts “a rage for paper money, for abolition of debts, for an equal division of property.” That populist rage had led to Shays’s Rebellion, which pitted a band of debtors against their creditors.

The Avalon Project : The Federalist Papers No. 10

What did Madison have to say about three-fifths of a mob?

James Madison - Wikipedia

"Madison grew up on a plantation that made use of slave labor and he viewed the institution as a necessary part of the Southern economy, though he was troubled by the instability of a society that depended on a large enslaved population.[227]

"Madison failed to free any of his slaves either during his lifetime or in his will.[228]

"At the Philadelphia Convention, Madison favored an immediate end to the importation of slaves, though the final document barred Congress from interfering with the international slave trade until 1808. [229](The domestic trade in slaves was expressly permitted by the constitution.)[230]

"He also proposed that apportionment in the United States Senate be allocated by the sum of each state's free population and slave population, eventually leading to the adoption of the Three-Fifths Compromise."

In a Republic a Super Majority can CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION. But it would require a Super Majority in the Senate, and the States to PERMIT THE CHANGE...........

Which happens VERY SELDOM. ........The very purpose of a Republic is to make laws difficult to pass. That same purpose makes it Nearly IMPOSSIBLE to change the Constitution.

We rejected the Kings and Queens of England and Europe.............and their FUEDALISM.

We rejected the Kings and Queens of England and Europe.............and their FUEDALISM.

Elites like Madison rejected hereditary political privilege because they had no other choice after declaring independence, but they supported the same economic faction as their European peers.

The 3 Richest Americans Hold More Wealth Than Bottom 50% Of The Country, Study Finds

Unless we find a reasonable way to change this, as a nation we will find ourselves disappearing into absurdity and chaos.

Unless we find a reasonable way to change this, as a nation we will ourselves disappear into absurdity and chaos.

The 3 Richest Americans Hold More Wealth Than Bottom 50% Of The Country, Study Finds

"In its report, the think tank also found that, collectively, the individuals on The Forbes 400 hold more wealth than the bottom 64% of the country, 'more people than the populations of Mexico and Canada combined.'

"Altogether, the list members were worth $2.7 trillion this year, a 59% increase over the last five years alone.

"The net worth of the median American family, meanwhile, has declined by about 3% on an inflation-adjusted basis since Forbes began publishing the 400 in the early 1980s, the institute says.

"It reports that the typical U.S. family is presently worth some $80,000."

Perhaps Trump serves something of a useful purpose by bringing subjects like this to platforms like the recent debates among Democrats hoping to replace him?

It is hard for me to shake the sense of a very slow moving corporate coup d' etat moving through this country that isn't much affected by voters who "choose" between Republican or Democrat on election day.

You have a point.

All three of those men, Bezo, Gates, and Buffett, have committed themselves to disposing of their vast fortunes before they die, through charitable foundations. Handled in the right way, we might be able to get them to buy into directing those funds at the most needy in the nation in a way that would provide jobs for those in the poorest areas so they would not have to seek employment in the drug trade. Secondly, eliminated the drug trade in ghettos. Lastly, stimulate education among the poor. Frankly, I have no idea how we might do any of this. But one thing I know for sure, for America to lead the world in the 21st century, we must have the best trained workforce in the world and that includes both at the top and lowest end. Poverty, drugs, jobs, and education are linked together. You can not fix one without fixing the others.

By employing both private sector and government, we just might get enough of a buy in from corporate America, conservatives, and the very rich to accomplish something meaning. Democrats can't fix the problems without Republican support and neither party can we fix the problems without the wealthy and large corporations support. To do otherwise, we get into a situation similar to what we have now. The republicans tear apart whatever the democrats accomplished and when the democrats gain power, they destroy what the republicans accomplished.

 

[Defiant1]

Madison feared MOB rule...........he and the founders did everything they could do to prevent it in the future.

Madison's Nightmare has come true.

America Is Living James Madison’s Nightmare

Madison was determined, in drafting the Constitution, to avoid the fate of those “ancient and modern confederacies,” which he believed had succumbed to rule by demagogues and mobs. Madison’s reading convinced him that direct democracies—such as the assembly in Athens, where 6,000 citizens were required for a quorum—unleashed populist passions that overcame the cool, deliberative reason prized above all by Enlightenment thinkers. “In all very numerous assemblies, of whatever characters composed, passion never fails to wrest the sceptre from reason,” he argued in The Federalist Papers, the essays he wrote (along with Alexander Hamilton and John Jay) to build support for the ratification of the Constitution. “Had every Athenian citizen been a Socrates, every Athenian assembly would still have been a mob.”

In Madison’s view, history seemed to be repeating itself in America. After the Revolutionary War, he had observed in Massachusetts “a rage for paper money, for abolition of debts, for an equal division of property.” That populist rage had led to Shays’s Rebellion, which pitted a band of debtors against their creditors.

The Avalon Project : The Federalist Papers No. 10

What did Madison have to say about three-fifths of a mob?

James Madison - Wikipedia

"Madison grew up on a plantation that made use of slave labor and he viewed the institution as a necessary part of the Southern economy, though he was troubled by the instability of a society that depended on a large enslaved population.[227]

"Madison failed to free any of his slaves either during his lifetime or in his will.[228]

"At the Philadelphia Convention, Madison favored an immediate end to the importation of slaves, though the final document barred Congress from interfering with the international slave trade until 1808. [229](The domestic trade in slaves was expressly permitted by the constitution.)[230]

"He also proposed that apportionment in the United States Senate be allocated by the sum of each state's free population and slave population, eventually leading to the adoption of the Three-Fifths Compromise."

In a Republic a Super Majority can CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION. But it would require a Super Majority in the Senate, and the States to PERMIT THE CHANGE...........

Which happens VERY SELDOM. ........The very purpose of a Republic is to make laws difficult to pass. That same purpose makes it Nearly IMPOSSIBLE to change the Constitution.

We rejected the Kings and Queens of England and Europe.............and their FUEDALISM.

Madison feared MOB rule...........he and the founders did everything they could do to prevent it in the future.

Madison's Nightmare has come true.

America Is Living James Madison’s Nightmare

Madison was determined, in drafting the Constitution, to avoid the fate of those “ancient and modern confederacies,” which he believed had succumbed to rule by demagogues and mobs. Madison’s reading convinced him that direct democracies—such as the assembly in Athens, where 6,000 citizens were required for a quorum—unleashed populist passions that overcame the cool, deliberative reason prized above all by Enlightenment thinkers. “In all very numerous assemblies, of whatever characters composed, passion never fails to wrest the sceptre from reason,” he argued in The Federalist Papers, the essays he wrote (along with Alexander Hamilton and John Jay) to build support for the ratification of the Constitution. “Had every Athenian citizen been a Socrates, every Athenian assembly would still have been a mob.”

In Madison’s view, history seemed to be repeating itself in America. After the Revolutionary War, he had observed in Massachusetts “a rage for paper money, for abolition of debts, for an equal division of property.” That populist rage had led to Shays’s Rebellion, which pitted a band of debtors against their creditors.

The Avalon Project : The Federalist Papers No. 10

What did Madison have to say about three-fifths of a mob?

James Madison - Wikipedia

"Madison grew up on a plantation that made use of slave labor and he viewed the institution as a necessary part of the Southern economy, though he was troubled by the instability of a society that depended on a large enslaved population.[227]

"Madison failed to free any of his slaves either during his lifetime or in his will.[228]

"At the Philadelphia Convention, Madison favored an immediate end to the importation of slaves, though the final document barred Congress from interfering with the international slave trade until 1808. [229](The domestic trade in slaves was expressly permitted by the constitution.)[230]

"He also proposed that apportionment in the United States Senate be allocated by the sum of each state's free population and slave population, eventually leading to the adoption of the Three-Fifths Compromise."

In a Republic a Super Majority can CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION. But it would require a Super Majority in the Senate, and the States to PERMIT THE CHANGE...........

Which happens VERY SELDOM. ........The very purpose of a Republic is to make laws difficult to pass. That same purpose makes it Nearly IMPOSSIBLE to change the Constitution.

We rejected the Kings and Queens of England and Europe.............and their FUEDALISM.

I think a new Declaration of Independence would be quicker.

 

[eagle1462010]

Madison feared MOB rule...........he and the founders did everything they could do to prevent it in the future.

Madison's Nightmare has come true.

America Is Living James Madison’s Nightmare

Madison was determined, in drafting the Constitution, to avoid the fate of those “ancient and modern confederacies,” which he believed had succumbed to rule by demagogues and mobs. Madison’s reading convinced him that direct democracies—such as the assembly in Athens, where 6,000 citizens were required for a quorum—unleashed populist passions that overcame the cool, deliberative reason prized above all by Enlightenment thinkers. “In all very numerous assemblies, of whatever characters composed, passion never fails to wrest the sceptre from reason,” he argued in The Federalist Papers, the essays he wrote (along with Alexander Hamilton and John Jay) to build support for the ratification of the Constitution. “Had every Athenian citizen been a Socrates, every Athenian assembly would still have been a mob.”

In Madison’s view, history seemed to be repeating itself in America. After the Revolutionary War, he had observed in Massachusetts “a rage for paper money, for abolition of debts, for an equal division of property.” That populist rage had led to Shays’s Rebellion, which pitted a band of debtors against their creditors.

The Avalon Project : The Federalist Papers No. 10

What did Madison have to say about three-fifths of a mob?

James Madison - Wikipedia

"Madison grew up on a plantation that made use of slave labor and he viewed the institution as a necessary part of the Southern economy, though he was troubled by the instability of a society that depended on a large enslaved population.[227]

"Madison failed to free any of his slaves either during his lifetime or in his will.[228]

"At the Philadelphia Convention, Madison favored an immediate end to the importation of slaves, though the final document barred Congress from interfering with the international slave trade until 1808. [229](The domestic trade in slaves was expressly permitted by the constitution.)[230]

"He also proposed that apportionment in the United States Senate be allocated by the sum of each state's free population and slave population, eventually leading to the adoption of the Three-Fifths Compromise."

In a Republic a Super Majority can CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION. But it would require a Super Majority in the Senate, and the States to PERMIT THE CHANGE...........

Which happens VERY SELDOM. ........The very purpose of a Republic is to make laws difficult to pass. That same purpose makes it Nearly IMPOSSIBLE to change the Constitution.

We rejected the Kings and Queens of England and Europe.............and their FUEDALISM.

Madison feared MOB rule...........he and the founders did everything they could do to prevent it in the future.

Madison's Nightmare has come true.

America Is Living James Madison’s Nightmare

Madison was determined, in drafting the Constitution, to avoid the fate of those “ancient and modern confederacies,” which he believed had succumbed to rule by demagogues and mobs. Madison’s reading convinced him that direct democracies—such as the assembly in Athens, where 6,000 citizens were required for a quorum—unleashed populist passions that overcame the cool, deliberative reason prized above all by Enlightenment thinkers. “In all very numerous assemblies, of whatever characters composed, passion never fails to wrest the sceptre from reason,” he argued in The Federalist Papers, the essays he wrote (along with Alexander Hamilton and John Jay) to build support for the ratification of the Constitution. “Had every Athenian citizen been a Socrates, every Athenian assembly would still have been a mob.”

In Madison’s view, history seemed to be repeating itself in America. After the Revolutionary War, he had observed in Massachusetts “a rage for paper money, for abolition of debts, for an equal division of property.” That populist rage had led to Shays’s Rebellion, which pitted a band of debtors against their creditors.

The Avalon Project : The Federalist Papers No. 10

What did Madison have to say about three-fifths of a mob?

James Madison - Wikipedia

"Madison grew up on a plantation that made use of slave labor and he viewed the institution as a necessary part of the Southern economy, though he was troubled by the instability of a society that depended on a large enslaved population.[227]

"Madison failed to free any of his slaves either during his lifetime or in his will.[228]

"At the Philadelphia Convention, Madison favored an immediate end to the importation of slaves, though the final document barred Congress from interfering with the international slave trade until 1808. [229](The domestic trade in slaves was expressly permitted by the constitution.)[230]

"He also proposed that apportionment in the United States Senate be allocated by the sum of each state's free population and slave population, eventually leading to the adoption of the Three-Fifths Compromise."

In a Republic a Super Majority can CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION. But it would require a Super Majority in the Senate, and the States to PERMIT THE CHANGE...........

Which happens VERY SELDOM. ........The very purpose of a Republic is to make laws difficult to pass. That same purpose makes it Nearly IMPOSSIBLE to change the Constitution.

We rejected the Kings and Queens of England and Europe.............and their FUEDALISM.

I think a new Declaration of Independence would be quicker.

War occurs when all civil means of compromise are exhausted.............The Founders talked to England to they were blue in the face..........they were ignored ............and the Powder keg exploded.

 

[Flopper]

Madison feared MOB rule...........he and the founders did everything they could do to prevent it in the future.

Madison's Nightmare has come true.

America Is Living James Madison’s Nightmare

Madison was determined, in drafting the Constitution, to avoid the fate of those “ancient and modern confederacies,” which he believed had succumbed to rule by demagogues and mobs. Madison’s reading convinced him that direct democracies—such as the assembly in Athens, where 6,000 citizens were required for a quorum—unleashed populist passions that overcame the cool, deliberative reason prized above all by Enlightenment thinkers. “In all very numerous assemblies, of whatever characters composed, passion never fails to wrest the sceptre from reason,” he argued in The Federalist Papers, the essays he wrote (along with Alexander Hamilton and John Jay) to build support for the ratification of the Constitution. “Had every Athenian citizen been a Socrates, every Athenian assembly would still have been a mob.”

In Madison’s view, history seemed to be repeating itself in America. After the Revolutionary War, he had observed in Massachusetts “a rage for paper money, for abolition of debts, for an equal division of property.” That populist rage had led to Shays’s Rebellion, which pitted a band of debtors against their creditors.

The Avalon Project : The Federalist Papers No. 10

Madison as many of elite colonist believed, governing should be reserved for the privileged few elected by the gentry, male white property owners. Madison was the son a large plantation owner in Virginia who owned hundreds of slaves. He was educated by a private tutor and attended college studding Latin, Greek, and theology. Madison was a supporter of the 3/5 compromise in which a slave was only worth 3/5 of a white person in a population count. Many believed since slaves were property they should not be count at all. Madison as well as a number founders would be horrified by what has happening to their nation. It would be unthinkable that a black man would every be allowed to vote much less run for office. And to allow women and the riffraff to who did not own property to vote would be horrifying.

In that ERA............was that NORMAL.........

It's easy to look through the looking glass and go that's screwed up. But in the time.......in that ERA....was it the same..........No it wasn't.

It was normal for those of wealth and property, who were the 1% of that day to see the slaves and workers as a necessary evil. Since very few of those that actually plowed the fields, pick the crops, build the structures, and maintained them had any education other than the ability to read at a 3rd grade level. The founders would have seen giving these people the ability to elect the nations leaders as shear lunacy.

The Constitution and the writings of founders reflected a time that no longer exist. Yet we try to maintain the image that we are running the nation as the founders intended which is pure nonsense because it would be impossible to do so.

We do not need to rewrite the Declaration of Independence but rather the US Constitution.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

The Avalon Project : The Federalist Papers No. 10

By a faction, I understand a number of citizens, whether amounting to a majority or a minority of the whole, who are united and actuated by some common impulse of passion, or of interest, adversed to the rights of other citizens, or to the permanent and aggregate interests of the community.

There are two methods of curing the mischiefs of faction: the one, by removing its causes; the other, by controlling its effects.

There are again two methods of removing the causes of faction: the one, by destroying the liberty which is essential to its existence; the other, by giving to every citizen the same opinions, the same passions, and the same interests.

It could never be more truly said than of the first remedy, that it was worse than the disease. Liberty is to faction what air is to fire, an aliment without which it instantly expires. But it could not be less folly to abolish liberty, which is essential to political life, because it nourishes faction, than it would be to wish the annihilation of air, which is essential to animal life, because it imparts to fire its destructive agency.

The second expedient is as impracticable as the first would be unwise. As long as the reason of man continues fallible, and he is at liberty to exercise it, different opinions will be formed. As long as the connection subsists between his reason and his self-love, his opinions and his passions will have a reciprocal influence on each other; and the former will be objects to which the latter will attach themselves. The diversity in the faculties of men, from which the rights of property originate, is not less an insuperable obstacle to a uniformity of interests. The protection of these faculties is the first object of government. From the protection of different and unequal faculties of acquiring property, the possession of different degrees and kinds of property immediately results; and from the influence of these on the sentiments and views of the respective proprietors, ensues a division of the society into different interests and parties.

That's way too deep for most people to understand, sadly.

.

 

[eagle1462010]

Madison feared MOB rule...........he and the founders did everything they could do to prevent it in the future.

Madison's Nightmare has come true.

America Is Living James Madison’s Nightmare

Madison was determined, in drafting the Constitution, to avoid the fate of those “ancient and modern confederacies,” which he believed had succumbed to rule by demagogues and mobs. Madison’s reading convinced him that direct democracies—such as the assembly in Athens, where 6,000 citizens were required for a quorum—unleashed populist passions that overcame the cool, deliberative reason prized above all by Enlightenment thinkers. “In all very numerous assemblies, of whatever characters composed, passion never fails to wrest the sceptre from reason,” he argued in The Federalist Papers, the essays he wrote (along with Alexander Hamilton and John Jay) to build support for the ratification of the Constitution. “Had every Athenian citizen been a Socrates, every Athenian assembly would still have been a mob.”

In Madison’s view, history seemed to be repeating itself in America. After the Revolutionary War, he had observed in Massachusetts “a rage for paper money, for abolition of debts, for an equal division of property.” That populist rage had led to Shays’s Rebellion, which pitted a band of debtors against their creditors.

The Avalon Project : The Federalist Papers No. 10

Madison as many of elite colonist believed, governing should be reserved for the privileged few elected by the gentry, male white property owners. Madison was the son a large plantation owner in Virginia who owned hundreds of slaves. He was educated by a private tutor and attended college studding Latin, Greek, and theology. Madison was a supporter of the 3/5 compromise in which a slave was only worth 3/5 of a white person in a population count. Many believed since slaves were property they should not be count at all. Madison as well as a number founders would be horrified by what has happening to their nation. It would be unthinkable that a black man would every be allowed to vote much less run for office. And to allow women and the riffraff to who did not own property to vote would be horrifying.

In that ERA............was that NORMAL.........

It's easy to look through the looking glass and go that's screwed up. But in the time.......in that ERA....was it the same..........No it wasn't.

It was normal for those of wealth and property, who were the 1% of that day to see the slaves and workers as a necessary evil. Since very few of those that actually plowed the fields, pick the crops, build the structures, and maintained them had any education other than the ability to read at a 3rd grade level. The founders would have seen giving these people the ability to elect the nations leaders as shear lunacy.

The Constitution and the writings of founders reflected a time that no longer exist. Yet we try to maintain the image that we are running the nation as the founders intended which is pure nonsense because it would be impossible to do so.

We do not need to rewrite the Declaration of Independence but rather the US Constitution.

Another poster proving my point. Which part of the Constitution is broken..............hmmm.

The Constitutional principles are SOUND. We only screwed up when we decided it was broken. Giving the Gov't too much power.....and giving the Congress the ability to give out taxpayer money for anything they desire led us to this point. That is why the Founders gave enumerated powers to the Federal Gov't.

Another Nightmare of Madison. He was absolutely correct.

If they didn't care about the population of this country when it was formed. They would have just created Fuedalism as it was in Europe.

 

[eagle1462010]

The Avalon Project : Federalist No 45

The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected.

The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State. The operations of the federal government will be most extensive and important in times of war and danger; those of the State governments, in times of peace and security. As the former periods will probably bear a small proportion to the latter, the State governments will here enjoy another advantage over the federal government. The more adequate, indeed, the federal powers may be rendered to the national defense, the less frequent will be those scenes of danger which might favor their ascendancy over the governments of the particular States. If the new Constitution be examined with accuracy and candor, it will be found that the change which it proposes consists much less in the addition of NEW POWERS to the Union, than in the invigoration of its ORIGINAL POWERS. The regulation of commerce, it is true, is a new power; but that seems to be an addition which few oppose, and from which no apprehensions are entertained. The powers relating to war and peace, armies and fleets, treaties and finance, with the other more considerable powers, are all vested in the existing Congress by the articles of Confederation. The proposed change does not enlarge these powers; it only substitutes a more effectual mode of administering them.

 

[Flopper]

Madison feared MOB rule...........he and the founders did everything they could do to prevent it in the future.

Madison's Nightmare has come true.

America Is Living James Madison’s Nightmare

Madison was determined, in drafting the Constitution, to avoid the fate of those “ancient and modern confederacies,” which he believed had succumbed to rule by demagogues and mobs. Madison’s reading convinced him that direct democracies—such as the assembly in Athens, where 6,000 citizens were required for a quorum—unleashed populist passions that overcame the cool, deliberative reason prized above all by Enlightenment thinkers. “In all very numerous assemblies, of whatever characters composed, passion never fails to wrest the sceptre from reason,” he argued in The Federalist Papers, the essays he wrote (along with Alexander Hamilton and John Jay) to build support for the ratification of the Constitution. “Had every Athenian citizen been a Socrates, every Athenian assembly would still have been a mob.”

In Madison’s view, history seemed to be repeating itself in America. After the Revolutionary War, he had observed in Massachusetts “a rage for paper money, for abolition of debts, for an equal division of property.” That populist rage had led to Shays’s Rebellion, which pitted a band of debtors against their creditors.

The Avalon Project : The Federalist Papers No. 10

Madison as many of elite colonist believed, governing should be reserved for the privileged few elected by the gentry, male white property owners. Madison was the son a large plantation owner in Virginia who owned hundreds of slaves. He was educated by a private tutor and attended college studding Latin, Greek, and theology. Madison was a supporter of the 3/5 compromise in which a slave was only worth 3/5 of a white person in a population count. Many believed since slaves were property they should not be count at all. Madison as well as a number founders would be horrified by what has happening to their nation. It would be unthinkable that a black man would every be allowed to vote much less run for office. And to allow women and the riffraff to who did not own property to vote would be horrifying.

In that ERA............was that NORMAL.........

It's easy to look through the looking glass and go that's screwed up. But in the time.......in that ERA....was it the same..........No it wasn't.

It was normal for those of wealth and property, who were the 1% of that day to see the slaves and workers as a necessary evil. Since very few of those that actually plowed the fields, pick the crops, build the structures, and maintained them had any education other than the ability to read at a 3rd grade level. The founders would have seen giving these people the ability to elect the nations leaders as shear lunacy.

The Constitution and the writings of founders reflected a time that no longer exist. Yet we try to maintain the image that we are running the nation as the founders intended which is pure nonsense because it would be impossible to do so.

We do not need to rewrite the Declaration of Independence but rather the US Constitution.

Another poster proving my point. Which part of the Constitution is broken..............hmmm.

The Constitutional principles are SOUND. We only screwed up when we decided it was broken. Giving the Gov't too much power.....and giving the Congress the ability to give out taxpayer money for anything they desire led us to this point. That is why the Founders gave enumerated powers to the Federal Gov't.

Another Nightmare of Madison. He was absolutely correct.

If they didn't care about the population of this country when it was formed. They would have just created Fuedalism as it was in Europe.

The US Constitution was a great document but it's primary failing is in Article V. The founders made a serious mistake in writing the instructions for amending the constitution. They made the constitution too hard to modify. As a result, the constitution we live under today has been modified hundreds of times by the courts under the guise of interpretation as to what the founders really meant and relying on semantics in the constitution as guidance.

However, the courts can't solve the worst problem, the inability of congress to produce needed changes. The situation is so bad, the people expect the president to usurp congress and rule the country based on fiat - executive orders, executive agreements, and declaration of emergency.

No other country has copied this flawed system. No state of the United States has copied this system. In most governments around the world amendments are common. They are more difficult to pass than laws, but when systemic flaws become obvious, they are fixed. No one considers the wording of the constitution too sacred to change.

 

[eagle1462010]

Madison feared MOB rule...........he and the founders did everything they could do to prevent it in the future.

Madison's Nightmare has come true.

America Is Living James Madison’s Nightmare

Madison was determined, in drafting the Constitution, to avoid the fate of those “ancient and modern confederacies,” which he believed had succumbed to rule by demagogues and mobs. Madison’s reading convinced him that direct democracies—such as the assembly in Athens, where 6,000 citizens were required for a quorum—unleashed populist passions that overcame the cool, deliberative reason prized above all by Enlightenment thinkers. “In all very numerous assemblies, of whatever characters composed, passion never fails to wrest the sceptre from reason,” he argued in The Federalist Papers, the essays he wrote (along with Alexander Hamilton and John Jay) to build support for the ratification of the Constitution. “Had every Athenian citizen been a Socrates, every Athenian assembly would still have been a mob.”

In Madison’s view, history seemed to be repeating itself in America. After the Revolutionary War, he had observed in Massachusetts “a rage for paper money, for abolition of debts, for an equal division of property.” That populist rage had led to Shays’s Rebellion, which pitted a band of debtors against their creditors.

The Avalon Project : The Federalist Papers No. 10

Madison as many of elite colonist believed, governing should be reserved for the privileged few elected by the gentry, male white property owners. Madison was the son a large plantation owner in Virginia who owned hundreds of slaves. He was educated by a private tutor and attended college studding Latin, Greek, and theology. Madison was a supporter of the 3/5 compromise in which a slave was only worth 3/5 of a white person in a population count. Many believed since slaves were property they should not be count at all. Madison as well as a number founders would be horrified by what has happening to their nation. It would be unthinkable that a black man would every be allowed to vote much less run for office. And to allow women and the riffraff to who did not own property to vote would be horrifying.

In that ERA............was that NORMAL.........

It's easy to look through the looking glass and go that's screwed up. But in the time.......in that ERA....was it the same..........No it wasn't.

It was normal for those of wealth and property, who were the 1% of that day to see the slaves and workers as a necessary evil. Since very few of those that actually plowed the fields, pick the crops, build the structures, and maintained them had any education other than the ability to read at a 3rd grade level. The founders would have seen giving these people the ability to elect the nations leaders as shear lunacy.

The Constitution and the writings of founders reflected a time that no longer exist. Yet we try to maintain the image that we are running the nation as the founders intended which is pure nonsense because it would be impossible to do so.

We do not need to rewrite the Declaration of Independence but rather the US Constitution.

Another poster proving my point. Which part of the Constitution is broken..............hmmm.

The Constitutional principles are SOUND. We only screwed up when we decided it was broken. Giving the Gov't too much power.....and giving the Congress the ability to give out taxpayer money for anything they desire led us to this point. That is why the Founders gave enumerated powers to the Federal Gov't.

Another Nightmare of Madison. He was absolutely correct.

If they didn't care about the population of this country when it was formed. They would have just created Fuedalism as it was in Europe.

The US Constitution was a great document but it's primary failing is in Article V. The founders made a serious mistake in writing the instructions for amending the constitution. They made the constitution too hard to modify. As a result, the constitution we live under today has been modified hundreds of times by the courts under the guise of interpretation as to what the founders really meant and relying on semantics in the constitution as guidance.

However, the courts can't solve the worst problem, the inability of congress to produce needed changes. The situation is so bad, the people expect the president to usurp congress and rule the country based on fiat - executive orders, executive agreements, and declaration of emergency.

No other country has copied this flawed system. No state of the United States has copied this system. In most governments around the world amendments are common. They are more difficult to pass than laws, but when systemic flaws become obvious, they are fixed. No one considers the wording of the constitution too sacred to change.

They use political ideology to shred the constitution. Using the courts to create laws outside the scope of the constitution.

We don't need a million laws...........that is why they made them difficult to pass..........so each side would block the other until a reasonable law would be passed.

The Judiciary has become an Obomination of the Constitution.

 

[Flopper]

Madison as many of elite colonist believed, governing should be reserved for the privileged few elected by the gentry, male white property owners. Madison was the son a large plantation owner in Virginia who owned hundreds of slaves. He was educated by a private tutor and attended college studding Latin, Greek, and theology. Madison was a supporter of the 3/5 compromise in which a slave was only worth 3/5 of a white person in a population count. Many believed since slaves were property they should not be count at all. Madison as well as a number founders would be horrified by what has happening to their nation. It would be unthinkable that a black man would every be allowed to vote much less run for office. And to allow women and the riffraff to who did not own property to vote would be horrifying.

In that ERA............was that NORMAL.........

It's easy to look through the looking glass and go that's screwed up. But in the time.......in that ERA....was it the same..........No it wasn't.

It was normal for those of wealth and property, who were the 1% of that day to see the slaves and workers as a necessary evil. Since very few of those that actually plowed the fields, pick the crops, build the structures, and maintained them had any education other than the ability to read at a 3rd grade level. The founders would have seen giving these people the ability to elect the nations leaders as shear lunacy.

The Constitution and the writings of founders reflected a time that no longer exist. Yet we try to maintain the image that we are running the nation as the founders intended which is pure nonsense because it would be impossible to do so.

We do not need to rewrite the Declaration of Independence but rather the US Constitution.

Another poster proving my point. Which part of the Constitution is broken..............hmmm.

The Constitutional principles are SOUND. We only screwed up when we decided it was broken. Giving the Gov't too much power.....and giving the Congress the ability to give out taxpayer money for anything they desire led us to this point. That is why the Founders gave enumerated powers to the Federal Gov't.

Another Nightmare of Madison. He was absolutely correct.

If they didn't care about the population of this country when it was formed. They would have just created Fuedalism as it was in Europe.

The US Constitution was a great document but it's primary failing is in Article V. The founders made a serious mistake in writing the instructions for amending the constitution. They made the constitution too hard to modify. As a result, the constitution we live under today has been modified hundreds of times by the courts under the guise of interpretation as to what the founders really meant and relying on semantics in the constitution as guidance.

However, the courts can't solve the worst problem, the inability of congress to produce needed changes. The situation is so bad, the people expect the president to usurp congress and rule the country based on fiat - executive orders, executive agreements, and declaration of emergency.

No other country has copied this flawed system. No state of the United States has copied this system. In most governments around the world amendments are common. They are more difficult to pass than laws, but when systemic flaws become obvious, they are fixed. No one considers the wording of the constitution too sacred to change.

They use political ideology to shred the constitution. Using the courts to create laws outside the scope of the constitution.

We don't need a million laws...........that is why they made them difficult to pass..........so each side would block the other until a reasonable law would be passed.

The Judiciary has become an Obomination of the Constitution.

And the two parties do a damn good job of blocking the opposition. In fact, they are so successful, Congress's job approval rating is even lower than Trump's. No wonder the American people are happy to elect a fascist leader willing to bypass congress and get the job done with executive orders, executive agreements, and declarations of emergency.

 

[eagle1462010]

In that ERA............was that NORMAL.........

It's easy to look through the looking glass and go that's screwed up. But in the time.......in that ERA....was it the same..........No it wasn't.

It was normal for those of wealth and property, who were the 1% of that day to see the slaves and workers as a necessary evil. Since very few of those that actually plowed the fields, pick the crops, build the structures, and maintained them had any education other than the ability to read at a 3rd grade level. The founders would have seen giving these people the ability to elect the nations leaders as shear lunacy.

The Constitution and the writings of founders reflected a time that no longer exist. Yet we try to maintain the image that we are running the nation as the founders intended which is pure nonsense because it would be impossible to do so.

We do not need to rewrite the Declaration of Independence but rather the US Constitution.

Another poster proving my point. Which part of the Constitution is broken..............hmmm.

The Constitutional principles are SOUND. We only screwed up when we decided it was broken. Giving the Gov't too much power.....and giving the Congress the ability to give out taxpayer money for anything they desire led us to this point. That is why the Founders gave enumerated powers to the Federal Gov't.

Another Nightmare of Madison. He was absolutely correct.

If they didn't care about the population of this country when it was formed. They would have just created Fuedalism as it was in Europe.

The US Constitution was a great document but it's primary failing is in Article V. The founders made a serious mistake in writing the instructions for amending the constitution. They made the constitution too hard to modify. As a result, the constitution we live under today has been modified hundreds of times by the courts under the guise of interpretation as to what the founders really meant and relying on semantics in the constitution as guidance.

However, the courts can't solve the worst problem, the inability of congress to produce needed changes. The situation is so bad, the people expect the president to usurp congress and rule the country based on fiat - executive orders, executive agreements, and declaration of emergency.

No other country has copied this flawed system. No state of the United States has copied this system. In most governments around the world amendments are common. They are more difficult to pass than laws, but when systemic flaws become obvious, they are fixed. No one considers the wording of the constitution too sacred to change.

They use political ideology to shred the constitution. Using the courts to create laws outside the scope of the constitution.

We don't need a million laws...........that is why they made them difficult to pass..........so each side would block the other until a reasonable law would be passed.

The Judiciary has become an Obomination of the Constitution.

And the two parties do a damn good job of blocking the opposition. In fact, they are so successful, Congress's job approval rating is even lower than Trump's. No wonder the American people are happy to elect a fascist leader willing to bypass congress and get the job done with executive orders, executive agreements, and declarations of emergency.

That sounds like Obama and not Trump. Most of Trump's executive orders were to remove Executive orders from Obama.

In regards to the Wall and military funding..........The Executive Branch has powers to protect this countries borders and enforce the laws. Just as the Congress holds the purse strings.

This is a decision to be made in the Supreme Court to clarify that issue. Our Gov't working exactly within the checks and balances as prescribed by the Constitution.