Jan. 6th, The Law, and Nancy Pelosi's Dereliction of Duty

[elektra]

I have to ask, why did they not secure the Capitol Building and grounds. What happened to all the security procedures that built on over two centuries of previous bombings, shooting, riots, and terrorist attacks.

Because the police were grossly outnumbered.

On behalf of the brave Capitol Police -- fuck you.

Outnumbered, that is what faun thinks should of been the solution, to outnumber the crowd the Capitol police were faced with.

What Faun is ignorant of, the past, and the security measures to prevent the past from repeating itself.

The Speaker of the House protected the Capitol building during the Martin Luther King jr. riots in 1968.
A precedent and example, which Nancy Pelosi ignored.

The obvious time to stop anybody from entering the Capitol or grounds is before it happens. It was done in the past, but not now? Security measures prevented the Capitol from being entered in 1968 but we can not stop the same thing 50 years later.

Nancy Pelosi knew she did not have enough security yet did nothing about it. The time to protect yourself from a hurricane is before it hits land, not after.

 

[elektra]

Ooops, of all these violent insurrectionists, this one got in. Where are his buddies? At least he kept his horns. He not only made it in with his horns he made it all the way home with his horns.

 

[elektra]

Over 1000 Trump supporters went to prison for that. I find that funny too.

Did they send this one with or without his horns

 

[Faun]

It says more than that. pence could have sent the election back to the states for further investigation.

Quote what it says about the VP's role...

 

[Faun]

Outnumbered, that is what faun thinks should of been the solution, to outnumber the crowd the Capitol police were faced with.

What Faun is ignorant of, the past, and the security measures to prevent the past from repeating itself.

The Speaker of the House protected the Capitol building during the Martin Luther King jr. riots in 1968.
A precedent and example, which Nancy Pelosi ignored.

The obvious time to stop anybody from entering the Capitol or grounds is before it happens. It was done in the past, but not now? Security measures prevented the Capitol from being entered in 1968 but we can not stop the same thing 50 years later.

Nancy Pelosi knew she did not have enough security yet did nothing about it. The time to protect yourself from a hurricane is before it hits land, not after.

Why would she suspect a problem of that magnitude? The only protest applied for was at the Ellipse, not at the Capitol. Was she supposed to read Trump's mind and know he was going to summon them to the Capitol?

 

[Faun]

Did they send this one with or without his horns
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What's funny is that loon is on your side.

 

[elektra]

1968, riots after the assassination of Martin Luther King jr.. The Speaker of the House needed just a few good men to guard the Capitol building. Think about this, riots that killed 11 people, injured 1,000s, 100's of buildings were destroyed, were prevented from destroying the Capitol building with 3 men? 2 teams of 3? 3 teams of the 3, or was it 4.

50 years of advances in weaponry and sophisticated security measures to include intelligence, and Pelosi could not do what we did 50 years ago.

 

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& now for the truth:

IF YOUR TIME IS SHORT​

• Capitol security is not solely the responsibility of the House speaker. It is provided by the sergeants-at-arms of the House and Senate, and by the Capitol Police.
• The House sergeant-at-arms reports to the House speaker, or Pelosi at the time of the attack. The Senate sergeant-at-arms reports to the Senate majority leader — on Jan. 6, Sen. Mitch McConnell.
• News reports indicate that in the days before the attack, House sergeant-at-arms Paul Irving resisted calls from the Capitol Police to bring in the National Guard for extra security at the Capitol because of “optics.” Irving later testified that intelligence reports didn’t show the need for the extra security, not that he rejected it because of optics.

See the sources for this fact-check


PolitiFact - No, Capitol security is not only Pelosi’s responsibility, but she bears some

The Facts​

There are three key players here: Steven A. Sund, the U.S. Capitol Police chief; Paul D. Irving, the House sergeant-at-arms, and Michael C. Stenger, the Senate sergeant-at-arms. All three resigned under pressure after the Jan. 6 insurrection.
ree key players here: Steven A. Sund, the U.S. Capitol Police chief; Paul D. Irving, the House sergeant-at-arms, and Michael C. Stenger, the Senate sergeant-at-arms. All three resigned under pressure after the Jan. 6 insurrection.

In a Feb. 1 letter to Pelosi, Sund wrote he “approached the two Sergeants at Arms to request the assistance of the National Guard, as I had no authority to do so without an Emergency Declaration by the Capitol Police Board (CPB).” He said he spoke first to Irving, who “stated that he was concerned about the ‘optics’ and didn’t feel that the intelligence supported it.” Irving suggested Sund check in with Stenger, at the time chair of the CPB and get his thoughts. “Instead of approving the use of the National Guard, however, Mr. Stenger suggested I ask them how quickly we could get support if needed and to ‘lean forward’ in case we had to request assistance on January 6,” Sund wrote.
Sund said he then contacted Gen. William Walker, commanding officer of the D.C. National Guard. Walker “advised that he could repurpose 125 National Guard and have them to me fairly quickly, once approved. I asked General Walker to be prepared in the event that we requested them.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...-pelosi-denied-request-national-guard-troops/

Fact check: Trump repeats false claim that Pelosi rejected request for National Guard ahead of Jan. 6​

USA TODAY
Dec. 16, 2021
Fact check: Trump repeats false claim that Pelosi rejected request for National Guard ahead of Jan. 6

Pelosi did not block the National Guard from the Capitol on Jan. 6​

By ARIJETA LAJKAJuly 23, 2021


CLAIM: House Speaker Nancy Pelosi blocked the National Guard from coming to the Capitol during the Jan. 6 insurrection.

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. As Speaker of the House, Pelosi does not direct the National Guard. Further, as the Capitol came under attack, she and the Senate Majority leader called for military assistance, including the National Guard.

THE FACTS: On Tuesday, a false claim about the deadly Jan. 6 riot at the Capitol resurfaced suggesting that Pelosi blocked the National Guard from coming to lawmakers’ defense during the insurrection at the Capitol.
“@SpeakerPelosi, why did you block the National Guard from protecting the Capitol?” Indiana Rep. Jim Banks tweeted.
Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy posed a similar question on Fox News saying, “Was there a decision by the Speaker not to have the National Guard at the Capitol that day?”

The answer is no.

“On January 6th, the Speaker, a target of an assassination attempt that day, was no more in charge of Capitol security than Mitch McConnell was. This is a clear attempt to whitewash what happened on January 6th and divert blame,” Drew Hammill, a spokesperson for Pelosi told The Associated Press in an email.
The decision on whether to call National Guard troops to the Capitol is made by what is known as the Capitol Police Board, which is made up of the House Sergeant at Arms, the Senate Sergeant at Arms and the Architect of the Capitol. The board decided not to call the guard ahead of the insurrection but did eventually request assistance after the rioting had already begun, and the troops arrived several hours later.
The House Sergeant at Arms reports to Pelosi and the Senate Sergeant at Arms reported to McConnell, a Republican who was then Senate Majority Leader. There is no evidence that either directed the security officials not to call the guard beforehand, and Hammill said after the insurrection that Pelosi was never informed of such a request.
The officials on the board, along with the former Capitol Police chief, Steven Sund, have disputed each others’ accounts of who requested the guard when. Both Sergeants of Arms and the police chief resigned immediately after the attack.
Once Trump’s supporters were assaulting police and breaking into the building, Pelosi and Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer appealed to military leaders, asking the Army to deploy the National Guard.
“The Speaker believes security officials should make security decisions. The Speaker immediately signaled her support for the deployment of the National Guard when she was presented with that recommendation on the afternoon of January 6th. Public testimony confirms the fact that the Speaker was not made aware of any request for such a deployment prior to then,” Hammill said in a statement this week.

Republicans have falsely laid the blame on Pelosi without mentioning that GOP Leader McConnell had similar authority over the security officials that day. But there is no evidence that either was involved in any effort to block the National Guard before or during the insurrection.
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Associated Press writer Mary Clare Jalonick in Washington contributed to this story.
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This is part of The Associated Press’ ongoing effort to address widely shared misinformation, including work with Facebook and other platforms to add context to misleading content and reduce its circulation online.
Pelosi did not block the National Guard from the Capitol on Jan. 6

Can the president order the National Guard?


The Insurrection Act of 1807 is a United States federal law that empowers the President of the United States to deploy U.S. military and federalized National Guard troops within the United States in particular circumstances, such as to suppress civil disorder, insurrection, or rebellion. ~ wiki

the buck stopped with trump. he never called them in to protect the congress critters from his flying monkeys.

mike pence had to do it.

howeverrrrrrrrrrrrrr.... it has come to light that mark meadows - who is in such deep doo doo gave over a power point presentation in his possession, that the NG were to be instructed to
' protect pro trump people'

Meadows Jan. 5 email indicated Guard on standby to ‘protect pro Trump people,’ investigators say​

Meadows Jan. 5 email indicated Guard on standby to ‘protect pro Trump people,’ investigators say

DC Guard chief details Pentagon delays during Jan. 6 riot at Capitol

Walker calls restrictions on his ability to deploy his force ‘unusual’​

Scores of District of Columbia National Guardsmen loaded on buses at the Washington Armory and were ready to deploy as pro-Trump rioters breached the Capitol on Jan. 6, but minutes turned into hours as they awaited permission from the Pentagon to move out.

Maj. Gen. William J. Walker, the commander of the D.C. National Guard, told lawmakers Wednesday that written instructions issued ahead of the insurrection from then-acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller and then-Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy limited his ability to deploy his troops where, as a commander, he felt they were needed.

On Jan. 6, Walker and top officials from the U.S. Capitol Police and Metropolitan Police Department pleaded for permission to send the National Guard to help secure the Capitol during a phone call around 2:22 p.m. with defense officials. But Walker said he didn’t receive the go-ahead to send his troops to the Capitol until just after 5 p.m.

Because the District of Columbia is not a state and thus does not have a governor, the president is the commander in chief of the D.C. National Guard. The chain of command runs down to the Defense secretary and the Army secretary.

‘Unusual’ restrictions​

McCarthy’s written instructions from Jan. 5 required Walker to seek specific permission to deploy a 40-member quick reaction team. McCarthy also required Walker to send him a “concept of operation” before that team could be used.

“Based on the Defense Department’s public timeline, once requested, it took the National Guard over three hours to arrive at the Capitol. Now remember, we were all watching this on CNN, and Fox and MSNBC, and it’s a riot,” the Ohio Republican said. “We need to know why the Pentagon took so long to deploy the National Guard.”
DC Guard chief details Pentagon delays during Jan. 6 riot at Capitol

 

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but wait!!!! there's MORE!

General: Pentagon hesitated on sending Guard to Capitol riot​

By ERIC TUCKER and MARY CLARE JALONICKMarch 3, 2021

WASHINGTON (AP) — Defense Department leaders placed unusual restrictions on the National Guard for the day of the Capitol riot and delayed sending help for hours despite an urgent plea from police for reinforcement, according to testimony Wednesday that added to the finger-pointing about the government response.

Maj. Gen. William Walker, commanding general of the District of Columbia National Guard, told senators that the then-chief of the Capitol Police requested military support in a “voice cracking with emotion” in a 1:49 p.m. call as rioters began pushing toward the Capitol...
General: Pentagon hesitated on sending Guard to Capitol riot

DC Guard chief details Pentagon delays during Jan. 6 riot at Capitol​

Walker calls restrictions on his ability to deploy his force ‘unusual’​

Scores of District of Columbia National Guardsmen loaded on buses at the Washington Armory and were ready to deploy as pro-Trump rioters breached the Capitol on Jan. 6, but minutes turned into hours as they awaited permission from the Pentagon to move out.

Maj. Gen. William J. Walker, the commander of the D.C. National Guard, told lawmakers Wednesday that written instructions issued ahead of the insurrection from then-acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller and then-Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy limited his ability to deploy his troops where, as a commander, he felt they were needed.

On Jan. 6, Walker and top officials from the U.S. Capitol Police and Metropolitan Police Department pleaded for permission to send the National Guard to help secure the Capitol during a phone call around 2:22 p.m. with defense officials. But Walker said he didn’t receive the go-ahead to send his troops to the Capitol until just after 5 p.m.

Because the District of Columbia is not a state and thus does not have a governor, the president is the commander in chief of the D.C. National Guard. The chain of command runs down to the Defense secretary and the Army secretary.

‘Unusual’ restrictions​

McCarthy’s written instructions from Jan. 5 required Walker to seek specific permission to deploy a 40-member quick reaction team. McCarthy also required Walker to send him a “concept of operation” before that team could be used.

“Based on the Defense Department’s public timeline, once requested, it took the National Guard over three hours to arrive at the Capitol. Now remember, we were all watching this on CNN, and Fox and MSNBC, and it’s a riot,” the Ohio Republican said. “We need to know why the Pentagon took so long to deploy the National Guard.”
DC Guard chief details Pentagon delays during Jan. 6 riot at Capitol

why did donny get rid of mark esper & installed an 'acting' secretary of defense, chris miller just a few days after the election when he was going to leave office? why did chris miller put out this memo on january 4th re: the NG?

 

[elektra]

Why would she suspect a problem of that magnitude? The only protest applied for was at the Ellipse, not at the Capitol. Was she supposed to read Trump's mind and know he was going to summon them to the Capitol?

Why? You must be kidding, do you think this crowd snuck in through a sewer!!!!! And yes, she is supposed to foresee the situations she must protect Congress from. Especially considering that this was not the first time the Capitol building had to be protected.
1968 Washington D.C. riots after Martin Luther King jr. was assassinated.

 

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[elektra]

but wait!!!! there's MORE!

General: Pentagon hesitated on sending Guard to Capitol riot​

By ERIC TUCKER and MARY CLARE JALONICKMarch 3, 2021

WASHINGTON (AP) — Defense Department leaders placed unusual restrictions on the National Guard for the day of the Capitol riot and delayed sending help for hours despite an urgent plea from police for reinforcement, according to testimony Wednesday that added to the finger-pointing about the government response.

Maj. Gen. William Walker, commanding general of the District of Columbia National Guard, told senators that the then-chief of the Capitol Police requested military support in a “voice cracking with emotion” in a 1:49 p.m. call as rioters began pushing toward the Capitol...
General: Pentagon hesitated on sending Guard to Capitol riot

DC Guard chief details Pentagon delays during Jan. 6 riot at Capitol​

Walker calls restrictions on his ability to deploy his force ‘unusual’​

Scores of District of Columbia National Guardsmen loaded on buses at the Washington Armory and were ready to deploy as pro-Trump rioters breached the Capitol on Jan. 6, but minutes turned into hours as they awaited permission from the Pentagon to move out.

Maj. Gen. William J. Walker, the commander of the D.C. National Guard, told lawmakers Wednesday that written instructions issued ahead of the insurrection from then-acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller and then-Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy limited his ability to deploy his troops where, as a commander, he felt they were needed.

On Jan. 6, Walker and top officials from the U.S. Capitol Police and Metropolitan Police Department pleaded for permission to send the National Guard to help secure the Capitol during a phone call around 2:22 p.m. with defense officials. But Walker said he didn’t receive the go-ahead to send his troops to the Capitol until just after 5 p.m.

Because the District of Columbia is not a state and thus does not have a governor, the president is the commander in chief of the D.C. National Guard. The chain of command runs down to the Defense secretary and the Army secretary.

‘Unusual’ restrictions​

McCarthy’s written instructions from Jan. 5 required Walker to seek specific permission to deploy a 40-member quick reaction team. McCarthy also required Walker to send him a “concept of operation” before that team could be used.

“Based on the Defense Department’s public timeline, once requested, it took the National Guard over three hours to arrive at the Capitol. Now remember, we were all watching this on CNN, and Fox and MSNBC, and it’s a riot,” the Ohio Republican said. “We need to know why the Pentagon took so long to deploy the National Guard.”
DC Guard chief details Pentagon delays during Jan. 6 riot at Capitol

why did donny get rid of mark esper & installed an 'acting' secretary of defense, chris miller just a few days after the election when he was going to leave office? why did chris miller put out this memo on january 4th re: the NG?

The restrictions where place on the National Guard by the Mayor of Washington D.C.. No restrictions, no DCNG, at all. Mayor demanded this.

 

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The restrictions where place on the National Guard by the Mayor of Washington D.C.. No restrictions, no DCNG, at all. Mayor demanded this.

why didn't donny call them to duty instead of watching law enforcement get their asses kicked & put congress in grave mortal danger?

 

[elektra]

& now for the truth:

IF YOUR TIME IS SHORT​

• Capitol security is not solely the responsibility of the House speaker.

And now for the Elephant in the room. We all agree that the House speaker has other responsibilities. We also all agree that the Speaker of the House can not carry a Machine Gun and take on a crowd of over 120,000 people either.

That is why it is the Speaker of the House's responsibility is to write the laws that will protect her and congress. So yes, it is the Speaker and the House of Representatives SOLE responsibility to protect Congress.

Until you can make this fact disappear, nothing else you state, matters.

 

[Faun]

1968, riots after the assassination of Martin Luther King jr.. The Speaker of the House needed just a few good men to guard the Capitol building. Think about this, riots that killed 11 people, injured 1,000s, 100's of buildings were destroyed, were prevented from destroying the Capitol building with 3 men? 2 teams of 3? 3 teams of the 3, or was it 4.

50 years of advances in weaponry and sophisticated security measures to include intelligence, and Pelosi could not do what we did 50 years ago.
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Now that your thread is a fail after being informed there was an emergency declared, I see you're switching to, yeah, well... Nancy should have done something beforehand.

 

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And now for the Elephant in the room. We all agree that the House speaker has other responsibilities. We also all agree that the Speaker of the House can not carry a Machine Gun and take on a crowd of over 120,000 people either.

That is why it is the Speaker of the House's responsibility is to write the laws that will protect her and congress. So yes, it is the Speaker and the House of Representatives SOLE responsibility to protect Congress.

Until you can make this fact disappear, nothing else you state, matters.

nope - not the NG.

 

[Faun]

Why? You must be kidding, do you think this crowd snuck in through a sewer!!!!! And yes, she is supposed to foresee the situations she must protect Congress from. Especially considering that this was not the first time the Capitol building had to be protected.
1968 Washington D.C. riots after Martin Luther King jr. was assassinated.


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The ellipse is over 2 miles away. And again, Capitol security is the responsibility of the CPB.

 

[elektra]

Now that your thread is a fail after being informed there was an emergency declared, I see you're switching to, yeah, well... Nancy should have done something beforehand.

I know, but it's fun. And I'm only here for fun.

I never ever stated that an emergency was not declared, that was never a premise of my thread or any of my comments.

 

[elektra]

The ellipse is over 2 miles away. And again, Capitol security is the responsibility of the CPB.

I know, but it's fun. And I'm only here for fun.

Well we are having fun, Faun is always wrong. It is the Capitol building and grounds, and that responsibility is the Speaker of the House, which is then delegated through laws the Speaker and the House create.

 

[elektra]

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-1999-title40-section193a&num=0&edition=1999

§193a. United States Capitol Grounds; area comprising; jurisdiction​

The United States Capitol Grounds shall comprise all squares, reservations, streets, roadways, walks, and other areas as defined on a map entitled "Map showing areas comprising United States Capitol Grounds", dated June 25, 1946, approved by the Architect of the Capitol and recorded in the Office of the Surveyor of the District of Columbia in book 127, page 8, including all additions added thereto by law subsequent to June 25, 1946, and the jurisdiction and control over the United States Capitol Grounds, vested prior to July 31, 1946 by law in the Architect of the Capitol, is extended to the entire area of the United States Capitol Grounds, and the Architect of the Capitol shall be responsible for the maintenance and improvement thereof, including those streets and roadways in said United States Capitol Grounds as shown on said map as being under the jurisdiction and control of the Commissioners of the District of Columbia, except that the Mayor of the District of Columbia shall be responsible for the maintenance and improvement of those portions of the following streets which are situated between the curblines thereof: Constitution Avenue from Second Street Northeast to Third Street Northwest, First Street from D Street N.E. to D Street S.E., D Street from First Street S.E. to Canal Street S.W., and First Street from the north side of Louisiana Avenue to the intersection of C Street and Canal Street S.W., Pennsylvania Avenue Northwest from First Street Northwest to Third Street Northwest, Maryland Avenue Southwest from First Street Southwest to Third Street Southwest, Second Street Northeast from F Street Northeast to C Street Southeast; C Street Southeast from Second Street Southeast to First Street Southeast; that portion of Maryland Avenue Northeast from Second Street Northeast to First Street Northeast; that portion of New Jersey Avenue Northwest from D Street Northwest to Louisiana Avenue; that portion of Second Street Southwest from the north curb of D Street to the south curb of Virginia Avenue Southwest; that portion of Virginia Avenue Southwest from the east curb of Second Street Southwest to the west curb of Third Street Southwest; that portion of Third Street Southwest from the south curb of Virginia Avenue Southwest to the north curb of D Street Southwest; that portion of D Street Southwest from the west curb of Third Street Southwest to the east curb of Second Street Southwest; that portion of Canal Street Southwest, including sidewalks and traffic islands, from the south curb of Independence Avenue Southwest to the west curb of South Capitol Street: Provided, That the Mayor of the District of Columbia shall be permitted to enter any part of said United States Capitol Grounds for the purpose of repairing or maintaining or, subject to the approval of the Architect of the Capitol, for the purpose of constructing or altering, any utility service of the District of Columbia government.