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Jeb Bush Says We Should Phase Out Medicare

Troll thread....completely out of context. Medicare is due to go broke in less than 10 years. The nutters want to keep spending until no one has shit.

Great fucking plan. Morons....:(

Well, NaziCon psycho, we also have to bail out Wall Street. So, what's the fucking difference?


Wow......so you supported the Wall Street bailout? I didn't. I have no idea why Obama did it. :(
 
Inside Jeb Bush's brain) "Trump said something stupid and has gotten 95% of the media coverage ever since. I should do that..."

you may be unto something; surely Jeb can't be THAT stupid....after all, he must be able to tie his own shoelaces.
 
And people wonder why Trump is kicking the shit out of this idiot in the polls.

Who is advising this guy? First he says Americans don't work enough hours, major gaffe. Now he says we need to phase out entitlements people have paid into their whole lives. Then he goes and craps
on his own base supporting Amnesty to replace these "entitled " and "lazy" American workers who won't work for peanuts at 70 hours a week like an illegal would. He somehow thinks that position will sway independents and liberals to vote for him over the hildebeast.

The establishment GOP is so out of touch they think this is polocy attached to the discredited Bush name is "electable".

Wouldn't be surprised if in a couple weeks Bush is only down to 10% in the polls and Trump us up to 30. Populism sells. This is why Trump and Sanders for that matter are gaining in the polls.


Populism , also known as parasitism, welfarism, gangsterism, demagoguery, fascism by the majority.


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Yea, the thing is, when you call the majority fascists or parasites, you won't win elections. The 47% comment from Romney comes to mind.

But the parasitism comment is laughable. If people oppose unchecked free trade like the TPP, they are parasites or looking for welfare. But this line comes from the same "too big to fail" crowd who needs the "parasites" money to bail out banks who made bad bets. They are the only cronies here.
 
Actually, Obama's policies have been partially successful in containing the cost, and it's now solvent through at least 2030. That's why Jeb's more and more a "blast from the past."

Not that Hillary is looking too spry.

But so far, Jeb's resurrected his brother's failed tax cuts and now this. How about a middle class tax cut (Rubio and Ryan). And do a Reagan on medicare and JUST LIVE WITH IT.


So I said Medicare goes broke in 10 years and you say 15 years. Ah....why quibble? The key phrase is Medicare is going broke. So what is the Democrat plan other than the status quo and let the program fail?

Remember....eventually socialist run out of other people's money. Look at Greece as example one. :(
 
Actually, Obama's policies have been partially successful in containing the cost, and it's now solvent through at least 2030. That's why Jeb's more and more a "blast from the past."

Not that Hillary is looking too spry.

But so far, Jeb's resurrected his brother's failed tax cuts and now this. How about a middle class tax cut (Rubio and Ryan). And do a Reagan on medicare and JUST LIVE WITH IT.


So I said Medicare goes broke in 10 years and you say 15 years. Ah....why quibble? The key phrase is Medicare is going broke. So what is the Democrat plan other than the status quo and let the program fail?

Remember....eventually socialist run out of other people's money. Look at Greece as example one. :(
Contain costs and raise ages and get more revenue.
 
The financing of health care will always be very expensive because it is such a big part of any economy.

Whether people are paying for healthcare through government or not it can act as a drag on economic progress. The drag can be placed in different areas depending on the needs of the economy.
 
The VA and Medicare are funded differently:

The VA is funded by the same people who fund our military and wars - but sadly they under-fund the VA.

Medicare is funded by the Social Security Administration - meaning it is funded by people who have worked and paid into it during their working years - meaning it was part of their working compensation package. Even so, retired people still must pay a monthly premium unless they are poor enough to qualify for Medicaid. Hence: earned entitlements. Conservatives often refer to these folks as "takers" - but that is not true. Social Security is the largest holder of U.S. debt, and Conservatives would love to get their hands on that pot of money. Wall Street salivates at the thought.

How Medicare is funded? Medicare.gov

Who pays for Medicare - Ultimate Guide to Retirement
VA says it may shut down hospitals to close 2.5 billion budget gap.

The Associated Press July 2015.

VA told congress it needs to cover shortfalls caused by increased demand from Vets by Sept 30th.
 
Actually, Obama's policies have been partially successful in containing the cost, and it's now solvent through at least 2030. That's why Jeb's more and more a "blast from the past."

Not that Hillary is looking too spry.

But so far, Jeb's resurrected his brother's failed tax cuts and now this. How about a middle class tax cut (Rubio and Ryan). And do a Reagan on medicare and JUST LIVE WITH IT.


So I said Medicare goes broke in 10 years and you say 15 years. Ah....why quibble? The key phrase is Medicare is going broke. So what is the Democrat plan other than the status quo and let the program fail?

Remember....eventually socialist run out of other people's money. Look at Greece as example one. :(
Contain costs and raise ages and get more revenue.[/QUOTE

How do you contain costs other than by rationing care? Raising the age would be highly controversial to say the least. Ditto raising people's taxes.

If that is the Democrat plan I don't see any of it happening.


How do you contain costs other than by rationing care? Raising the age would be highly controversial to say the least. Ditto raising people's taxes.

If that is the Democrat plan I don't see any of it happening.
 
Even Howard Dean admitted back in 2004 that Medicare was a disaster.

Medicare is bankrupting us. It is rife with fraud and other cost overruns.

If someone can figure out a way to reform Medicare so that it's efficient and cost-effective, that'd be great. But a better solution would be to adopt a new system for senior care.
 
Actually, Obama's policies have been partially successful in containing the cost, and it's now solvent through at least 2030. That's why Jeb's more and more a "blast from the past."

Not that Hillary is looking too spry.

But so far, Jeb's resurrected his brother's failed tax cuts and now this. How about a middle class tax cut (Rubio and Ryan). And do a Reagan on medicare and JUST LIVE WITH IT.


So I said Medicare goes broke in 10 years and you say 15 years. Ah....why quibble? The key phrase is Medicare is going broke. So what is the Democrat plan other than the status quo and let the program fail?

Remember....eventually socialist run out of other people's money. Look at Greece as example one. :(

They predicted in the sixties that Medicare would go broke in the 70's.

All of those sort of predictions are meaningless because they are contingent on no one doing anything with Medicare except to maintain the status quo.
 
How do you contain costs other than by rationing care? Raising the age would be highly controversial to say the least. Ditto raising people's taxes.

As an example, find out WHO has opposed Medicare's continuing attempts to negotiate wholesale drug purchases from the big pharmaceutical. Find out who has banned repatriation of cheaper drugs from Canada and Europe.
 
Actually, Obama's policies have been partially successful in containing the cost, and it's now solvent through at least 2030. That's why Jeb's more and more a "blast from the past."

Not that Hillary is looking too spry.

But so far, Jeb's resurrected his brother's failed tax cuts and now this. How about a middle class tax cut (Rubio and Ryan). And do a Reagan on medicare and JUST LIVE WITH IT.


So I said Medicare goes broke in 10 years and you say 15 years. Ah....why quibble? The key phrase is Medicare is going broke. So what is the Democrat plan other than the status quo and let the program fail?

Remember....eventually socialist run out of other people's money. Look at Greece as example one. :(

They predicted in the sixties that Medicare would go broke in the 70's.

All of those sort of predictions are meaningless because they are contingent on no one doing anything with Medicare except to maintain the status quo.


Okay....so what is the Democrat Plan? If Jeb is wrong than what is the correct solution per the left?
 
How do you contain costs other than by rationing care? Raising the age would be highly controversial to say the least. Ditto raising people's taxes.

As an example, find out WHO has opposed Medicare's continuing attempts to negotiate wholesale drug purchases from the big pharmaceutical. Find out who has banned repatriation of cheaper drugs from Canada and Europe.


I fully support hard negotiation with big Pharma. On this you and I agree completely. :)
 
Actually, Obama's policies have been partially successful in containing the cost, and it's now solvent through at least 2030. That's why Jeb's more and more a "blast from the past."

Not that Hillary is looking too spry.

But so far, Jeb's resurrected his brother's failed tax cuts and now this. How about a middle class tax cut (Rubio and Ryan). And do a Reagan on medicare and JUST LIVE WITH IT.


So I said Medicare goes broke in 10 years and you say 15 years. Ah....why quibble? The key phrase is Medicare is going broke. So what is the Democrat plan other than the status quo and let the program fail?

Remember....eventually socialist run out of other people's money. Look at Greece as example one. :(

They predicted in the sixties that Medicare would go broke in the 70's.

All of those sort of predictions are meaningless because they are contingent on no one doing anything with Medicare except to maintain the status quo.


Okay....so what is the Democrat Plan? If Jeb is wrong than what is the correct solution per the left?

lol, suddenly a RWnut decides that the other guys must have a viable plan before they can criticize Republicans.
 
He also praises Paul Ryan's voucher approach.

WASHINGTON -- Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush said Wednesday that we ought to phase out Medicare, the federal program that provides health insurance to Americans once they're 65.

"We need to make sure we fulfill the commitment to people that have already received the benefits, that are receiving the benefits," Bush said. "But we need to figure out a way to phase out this program for others and move to a new system that allows them to have something, because they're not going to have anything."

Bush praised Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) for proposing to change Medicare to a system that gives seniors medical vouchers instead of paying their bills directly. He also lamented that "the left" reacted with an ad showing a Paul lookalike pushing an old lady's wheelchair off a cliff.

Since 2011, Ryan's name has been closely associated with his Medicare plan, which Democrats have said would "end Medicare as we know it." Nevertheless, the Mitt Romney campaign in 2012 didn't endorse the plan even after adding Ryan to the ticket as a vice presidential candidate.

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This will scare many voters - especially older folks. Vouchers are scary. Paul Ryan is scary.

I agree, can they do it in the next two years?
 
fully support hard negotiation with big Pharma. On this you and I agree completely

Medicare spends $60-75 billion on drugs.....even the most basic of negotiations has been estimated to save Medicare 30% of that expenditure.
 

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