Jerry Falwell just died

[Superlative]

My, my - we are a testy lib today

Woke up on the wrong side of the slab this morning?

Good deflection.

Care to defend your Plagiarism?

Plagiarist.

 

[Alucard]

Uh guys, I just answered .....twice

lets see what the rest of the libs have to say...

An incredibly high amount (I'm not sure of the pecentage but I can find it) of skeptics of Christ that study christianty become christians...

So if we taught it in school there would be alot more Christians in America!

Do you think the left wants that?

 

[red states rule]

Good deflection.

Care to defend your Plagiarism?

Plagiarist.

you are a desperate fellow today

 

[Superlative]

you are a desperate fellow today

Says the man who desperately avoids the issue of his plagiarism.

 

[Truthmatters]

lets see what the rest of the libs have to say...

An incredibly high amount (I'm not sure of the pecentage but I can find it) of skeptics of Christ that study christianty become christians...

So if we taught it in school there would be alot more Christians in America!

Do you think the left wants that?

Christains have balked at the idea of a world religions class in the past because they dont want their kids to experiment with ohter thought and religions.

 

[Superlative]

No links needed


Superlative and MM constantly reinforce their radical liberal attitudes with their unstable anger for anyone to the right of MoveOn.org.

Somehow, they (intentionally?) miss the point of "there or here". The idea is that as long as we maintain the policy to kill them where they are, they will understand that the same applies here in the US, and we can do it quicker over there. If we dont provide them opportunity to settle here, they must fight their way in, or sneak in.
If we maintain a "antagonistic" rather than a "appeasement" public perspective, we are much less likely to suffer the problems currently in Europe and elsewhere, where an appeasement rules.

In other words, if you liberal wizards gain full control, your "magical" and compassionate acceptance of responsibility for their anger will calm them and they will stop their militancy and express their love for their new "friends"?

You didnt provide a link for who said this, Its more than 5 lines, Am I to think you wrote this yourself?

Dont think I wont Google the whole paragraph and find it.

Never mind, I found it.

I knew you were incapable of rubbing two words together to create a sentance. Let alone something remotely coherent.

Here are your words, coming from another person.

Or was it another persons words coming from you?

Comment from: SamSam8639

http://www.azcentral.com/blogs/inde...se&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1&blogtype=PluggedinSev

Plagiarist.

 

[Shogun]

And just to clarify the issue regarding the US case in particular, Shogun.
As far as I know, the concept of stone clauses does not exist in US constitutional law. Neither the US constitution nor its amendments have “stone clauses”. There’s no special protection for the democratic system, secularism etc...
So in principle, and I repeat, just in principle, the american democratic republic could be legally dissolved, either gradually by the slow erosion of the democratic process and the secular nature of the state or as the result of a single election.
What prevents this from happening in practice is the level of civic conscience of the american electorate as well as the social, economic and political stability of the US.
So I agree with you. The US does not need “stone clauses” because it’s one of the most stable societies in the world.
But just look at wht’s happening in Venezuela.
There you have a demagogic politician using his personal charisma and the tactics of blaming the US for everything bad that happens in the world to perpetuate himself in power.
And he’s doing all this without even breaking the law because the previous venezuelan constitution did not protect the core values of democracy.
The venezuelan democracy needed to have been protected from the will of the majority of the venezuelan people.
As someone who still believes in the democratic system it hurts me to say so but it is the truth.
Now it’s too late.
The hardcore of a democratic state cannot be held hostage by charismatic demagogues like Chavez and so many religious leaders who take advantage of the democratic process with the only intention of eventually destroying it.
Let’s hope America continues to have this same stability so it doesn’t need this kind of constitutional clauses.
But for countries that don’t have the same level of civic conscience and social stability the US have, “stone clauses” protecting the basic principles of the democratic state from change can mean the difference between democracy and dictatorship.

id say let us let venezuelans vote for venezuelan issues and presidents and we can do the same.. you illustrate my point exactly. the PROCESS they use is still democratic even if their system does not mirror ours.. even if their cultural mores and traditions are not liek our own. who are you and I, as americans, to make a judgement about their government? Do we just jump in line with the right wing opinion or the left wing opinon? Im not ready for another oliver north fiasco or vietnam war based on our opinions on THEIR govnerment.

dont you think that this is exactly why palestine will never trust our motives since everyone knows how the west views muslims as an opposing ideology? I tell you for certain that their last election where the elected pal was disregarded by the west in favor of the israel-friendly candidate sure did suggest a thing or two about the validity of democracy to work among various cultural applications that do not hold our own same values..

CHINA is a communist nation that we readily trade with.... but cuba is still embargoed into poverty because our capitolist minded righty politics just wont let us warm up to a commie cuba EVEN IF THE POPULATION VOTES FOR A COMMIE STATE.

hugo chavez was elected, yes? who would you or I be to walk in and oust him because WE didnt like him? because WE dont think he is good for democracy? would you stomach the same thing if mexico walked up and decided that OUR election just wasnt good enough and our next elected president cant hold office in our own country?


democracy has many faces.. of which there are many values relevant to the particular culture that it serves... Hell, do you think Indias government would look strange to us in America? and likewise, im sure.. now, what should THEIR opinons matter to us?

 

[Alucard]

Christains have balked at the idea of a world religions class in the past because they dont want their kids to experiment with ohter thought and religions.

Christians have balked?

Show me evidence of this balking..

This is your problem tm (and most liberals for that matter) you make statements and push them off as fact, when in reality they are opinion...

 

[Truthmatters]

I have no links or proof to this one its just personal experience.

People who didnt want their kids to take world religions courses because they would be exposed to Godless religions.

Its not all but I would bet there would be a percentage of christains who would for that same reason.

 

[red states rule]

Christians have balked?

Show me evidence of this balking..

This is your problem tm (and most liberals for that matter) you make statements and push them off as fact, when in reality they are opinion...

What is the matter with you?

NEVER ask a liberal for facts - it makes their head hurt

 

[red states rule]

More liberal love and tolerance...................

Knight Column: Getting a Kick Out of Falwell's Death
Posted by Kristen Fyfe on May 18, 2007 - 16:30.
Bob Knight, Director of the Culture and Media Institute offers these thoughts on the media's treatment of the death of Rev. Jerry Falwell.


In many of his talks to Liberty University students, the Rev. Jerry Falwell emphasized the importance of “finishing well.”

On Tuesday, May 15, he was at the top of his game when he unexpectedly died in the college office where he was planning more expansions of the fast-growing university that he founded in 1971.

The Rev. Falwell did a lot of things well, ticking off liberals right up to the end. How else would he have garnered the kind of tribute from a major newspaper’s religion writer that was headlined, “Sigh of relief over Falwell death.”

To make sure no one mistook her, Chicago Sun-Times Religion Writer Cathleen Falsani’s May 18 column explains her reaction to the news about Dr. Falwell on May 15.

“…My very first thought upon hearing of the Rev. Falwell’s passing was: Good. And I didn’t mean ‘good’ in a oh-good-he’s-gone-to-be-home-with-the-Lord kind of way. I mean ‘good’ as in ‘Ding-dong, the witch is dead.’”

Falsani, who claims to be a Christian, learned of this apparent good news in the airport departure lounge in Key West, a place where Jerry is not held in great esteem.

She went on to compare the good reverend to the foul-mouthed TV mobster Tony Soprano, and accused Falwell of saying “insensitive, mean-spirited, sometimes downright hateful things …in the name of Christ.” She did do a bit of backing up, saying that maybe, in his own way, God used Jerry so that “lives were changed for the better by his ministry, his college, and the flip side of the endeavors he made in Jesus’ name.”

Meanwhile, she informed readers of her own apparent spiritual superiority, noting that “not all of us are that self-righteous, judgmental and holier than thou.”

I guess that openly enjoying the death of a fellow Christian and utterly distorting his Christian message into a caricature of hate is the mark of the nonjudgmental. I think it’s somewhere in the Sermon on the Mount.

Of course, Falsani is not the only journalist to use Rev. Falwell’s death as one more opportunity to cast fiery darts at him.

Virtually every major news outlet made sure that Falwell’s controversial comment following 9/11 and his notorious “outing” of the “gay Teletubby” Tinky Winky got ink and airtime.

The New York Times noted that it was an article in the National Liberty Journal, which Falwell published, that touched off the Teletubbies ruckus. But the article failed to mention that the Liberty Journal piece quoted The Washington Post’s outing of Tinky Winky, and that the gay press and several other mainstream outlets had cheered openly for a year that the boy in the purple suit, carrying a purse and bearing the homosexual symbol, an upside down triangle, on his head, was clearly the first openly “gay” character in a children’s program.

I recall faxing The Washington Post article to the National Liberty Journal back in February 1999. I had also faxed an article from a gay newspaper in which one of Teletubbies’ creators boasted openly that Tinky Winky’s character, which combines a deep daddy’s voice and mommy’s handbag, was a deliberate attempt to make children think differently about gender. The Liberty Journal editors decided to stick with the Washington Post as the main source, which seems like a wise thing to do. But in the end, it didn’t matter.

In the 10 years since, the press magnified and sustained the myth that Jerry Falwell “outed” Tinky Winky with no apparent evidence. He just did it for the heck of it, to be mean to gays. As smears go, it made him easy to ridicule. Try as they might, that was the best they could do, since they unearthed no hint of scandal involving his integrity. In March 1999, Liberty Journal Senior Editor J. M. Smith pointed out the media’s distortions, but the myth continued to gain strength. Dr. Falwell himself took it in stride, even placing a stuffed Tinky Winky on top of his computer as a joke. Given his own generous spirit and lack of vitriol, he didn’t seem to understand the damage that was done to his reputation.

Over the years, I’ve tried to set some of my media friends straight about the inception of the myth, but the response has been pretty much, “That’s our story, and we’re sticking with it.” And why not? It’s a very useful device. It’s so good that even many conservative commentators have bought into it, pointing it out from time to time in order to polish their own images as more reasonable people than someone like Jerry Falwell.

There’s a word for folks like that, but you wouldn’t hear the Rev. Falwell using it. It’s more along the lines of something Tony Soprano might say.

Or a religion writer from the Chicago Sun-Times.

http://newsbusters.org/node/12855

 

[red states rule]

Christians have balked?

Show me evidence of this balking..

This is your problem tm (and most liberals for that matter) you make statements and push them off as fact, when in reality they are opinion...

1 Down, 224,999,999 Christians to Go
That Jerry Falwell deserved to die goes without saying. But as a caring, compassionate progressive, I can’t derive any joy from the man's death. For all the pain and torment Falwell inflicted upon the people of the world, he simply didn’t suffer enough to get my rocks off.

It was Falwell’s so-called “Moral Majority”, after all, that cursed us with Ronald Raygun - a senile fascist who murdered 178 billion AIDS sufferers by putting flowers on Hitler’s grave. It was Falwell’s evangelical ministry that bilked millions of ignorant, naive morons out of their life savings, essentially stealing potential campaign funds directly from the DNC coffers. It was Falwell himself who viciously attacked "Hinky Binky", a purse-swinging children’s TV character created to help flamboyantly gay toddlers come to grips with their sexuality. And whoamong us could forget Falwell’s infamous and incredibly hateful accusation that gays, lesbians, and the ACLU were responsible for the 9/11 attacks, even though Cindy Sheehan had already revealed that it was actually George Bush and the Zionist NeoCon PNAC Jews who caused the unfortunate incident?

But Falwell’s most heinous act, the one for which he deserves to burn in Hell for all eternity, was that he took all that Bible crap seriously - and convinced others to do so as well. His irrational views against sodomy, pre-marital sex, infanticide, and pornography not only soured voters against the Democrat Party platform, but also put a real damper on my Friday nights.

For all his crimes against humanity, Falwell doesn’t deserve an ounce of the respect any proud liberal would pay a copkiller or a Crip who murdered an entire family for kicks. But while I’d just love to drown myself in the same wave of uncontrollable giddiness that swept the progressive blogosphere when Tony Snow’s cancer returned, Falwell’s quiet and painless passing makes me feel somewhat cheated. He was a hatemongering bigot, and there are 225 million fundamentalist Christian wackos out there who share his beliefs. Until they all share his fate, America will never be free of hate.

http://blamebush.typepad.com/

 

[Alucard]

Lets use common sense... why shouldnt Religion be taught in public schools?

As I predicted the libs avioded the question...

 

[mattskramer]

As I predicted the libs avioded the question...

I don't avoid any straight question. I simply have more things to do.
Concerning education, I believe in privatization and school choice. If parents want to send their own kids to schools that focus on Christianity, they can do so. If other parents in the same area want to send their kids to school centered on atheism, they can do so. If you want focus on creationism, take your kid to a school that advocates creationism. If you support evolution, have your kid taught evolution. School choice would end so much of these kinds of arguments.

Until then, you as why religion should not be taught. There are several reasons. To be fair, all religions should be taught or no religions should be taught. Yet, there is not enough time in the school year to have children taught about all religions. Another reason is because it borders on proselytizing. Parents are responsible for a child’s religious upbringing. I would have no objection if teachers of religion taught it in conjunction with history: “This founding father believed this. That person believed that.” I draw the line when a teacher would call students to pray or say that one religion is better than another.

 

[Creek_George]

So did this board...

 

[mattskramer]

1 Down, 224,999,999 Christians to Go
That Jerry Falwell deserved to die goes without saying. But as a caring, compassionate progressive, I can’t derive any joy from the man's death. For all the pain and torment Falwell inflicted upon the people of the world, he simply didn’t suffer enough to get my rocks off.

It was Falwell’s so-called “Moral Majority”, after all, that cursed us with Ronald Raygun - a senile fascist who murdered 178 billion AIDS sufferers by putting flowers on Hitler’s grave. It was Falwell’s evangelical ministry that bilked millions of ignorant, naive morons out of their life savings, essentially stealing potential campaign funds directly from the DNC coffers. It was Falwell himself who viciously attacked "Hinky Binky", a purse-swinging children’s TV character created to help flamboyantly gay toddlers come to grips with their sexuality. And whoamong us could forget Falwell’s infamous and incredibly hateful accusation that gays, lesbians, and the ACLU were responsible for the 9/11 attacks, even though Cindy Sheehan had already revealed that it was actually George Bush and the Zionist NeoCon PNAC Jews who caused the unfortunate incident?

But Falwell’s most heinous act, the one for which he deserves to burn in Hell for all eternity, was that he took all that Bible crap seriously - and convinced others to do so as well. His irrational views against sodomy, pre-marital sex, infanticide, and pornography not only soured voters against the Democrat Party platform, but also put a real damper on my Friday nights.

For all his crimes against humanity, Falwell doesn’t deserve an ounce of the respect any proud liberal would pay a copkiller or a Crip who murdered an entire family for kicks. But while I’d just love to drown myself in the same wave of uncontrollable giddiness that swept the progressive blogosphere when Tony Snow’s cancer returned, Falwell’s quiet and painless passing makes me feel somewhat cheated. He was a hatemongering bigot, and there are 225 million fundamentalist Christian wackos out there who share his beliefs. Until they all share his fate, America will never be free of hate.

http://blamebush.typepad.com/

Yeah yeah. Good job searching for another example of liberal hate speech.

Here is more typical vile hate speech from conservatives:

http://mediamatters.org/issues_topics/search_results?person=Glenn Beck
Beck is famous for spouting controversial and inflammatory comments against Democrats, Muslims, Arabs, Mexicans, and female guests on his radio and television programs. Beck has called President Jimmy Carter a "waste of skin," Mexican immigrants "dirt bags" and "lawbreakers," Katrina victims "scumbags," Cindy Sheehan a "prostitute," and suggested using nuclear weapons against parts of the Middle East and Venezuela.

 

[Diuretic]

Falwell is no loss - perhaps to his family and friends - but to the wider world, no loss at all. He was full of hate and venom.

 

[red states rule]

Yeah yeah. Good job searching for another example of liberal hate speech.

Here is more typical vile hate speech from conservatives:

http://mediamatters.org/issues_topics/search_results?person=Glenn Beck
Beck is famous for spouting controversial and inflammatory comments against Democrats, Muslims, Arabs, Mexicans, and female guests on his radio and television programs. Beck has called President Jimmy Carter a "waste of skin," Mexican immigrants "dirt bags" and "lawbreakers," Katrina victims "scumbags," Cindy Sheehan a "prostitute," and suggested using nuclear weapons against parts of the Middle East and Venezuela.

Oh, media matters - the site funded by George Soros.

 

[red states rule]

Yeah yeah. Good job searching for another example of liberal hate speech.

Here is more typical vile hate speech from conservatives:

http://mediamatters.org/issues_topics/search_results?person=Glenn Beck
Beck is famous for spouting controversial and inflammatory comments against Democrats, Muslims, Arabs, Mexicans, and female guests on his radio and television programs. Beck has called President Jimmy Carter a "waste of skin," Mexican immigrants "dirt bags" and "lawbreakers," Katrina victims "scumbags," Cindy Sheehan a "prostitute," and suggested using nuclear weapons against parts of the Middle East and Venezuela.

There is much more hate speech coming from the left - that is valid - then from conservatives

 

[Truthmatters]

You really need to stop believing everything you hear on Shill Olielys show redstates.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200705040008?f=h_top