John Durham...Just Another Swamp Creature

[Aldo Raine]

Yes finally a "Deep State University " that's what this thread was missing. An angel just got it's wings.

If durham wants to remain in washington or 8n government its best not to anger the Deep State. And bringing charges against the Deep State is bound to endanger durhams career

Bob Barr is responsible for this cover up. He sided with the swamp and has damaged the integrity of our government immeasurably. We may never recover from this without drastic changes.

I can’t agree. Our government was a criminal enterprise long before Barr became dumb Don’s AG. It’s just now they do it in our faces.

I find it most amusing how lefties claim there is no evidence for Barr and Durham while simultaneously believing Russiagate for four years, which clearly had made up evidence.

Only Kooks Believe In The Deep State

Only Kooks Believe In The Deep State

Mainstream, liberal U.S. discourse has accomplished an amazing feat of Orwellian doublethink with regard to the notion that unelected power structures are running things without the consent of the nation's official elected government, writes Caitlin Johnstone. By Caitlin Johnstone Ca

consortiumnews.com

". . .Some mass media propagandists find it hilarious that the U.S. war machine used deceit to thwart the president’s attempts to withdraw from its illegal occupation of Syria:

US officials have been lying to Trump – and the American people – about the true number of US troops in Syria in order to deter him from withdrawing them, according to the outgoing Syria envoy. Trump thinks it’s 200 ??. By @KatieBoWill Outgoing Syria Envoy Admits Hiding US Troop Numbers; Praises Trump’s Mideast Record
— Liz Sly (@LizSly) November 13, 2020

This would not be the first time that Jeffrey, a foreign policy insider with the past three presidential administrations, has admitted to deceiving the public about what’s happening in Syria. Earlier this year he admitted at a Hudson Institute video event (these Beltway insiders always get extra honest in the company of fellow think tank denizens) that, contrary to the official public narrative of the U.S. military being in Syria to fight terrorism, it’s actually there to create “a quagmire for the Russians”.

<snip>

". . . Mainstream, liberal U.S. discourse has accomplished an amazing feat of Orwellian doublethink with regard to the notion that unelected power structures are running things without the consent of the nation’s official elected government.

On the one hand there’s been a nonstop deluge of Daily Beast articles since Trump’s election saying anyone who dares to suggest the existence of a “deep state” in America is a conspiracy kook, but on the other hand there’s also been constant praise for the insider “adults in the room” who ensure from within the administration that Trump doesn’t demolish America’s precious norms while in office.

This cognitive two-step became even more reified after comments from the likes of Iraq war architect Bill Kristol tweeting that he’d “prefer the deep state to the Trump state”, and the famous anonymous New York Times op-ed authored by a “senior official in the Trump administration” (now known to have been former chief of staff at the Department of Homeland Security Miles Taylor), saying administration officials are working together against Trump to “thwart parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations”.

<snip>

. . . The U.S. government simply is not what Americans were taught it is in school, and it is not what they tell you it is in the news. It’s a mostly unelected power establishment which operates in the interests of imperialist expansionism and oligarchic control, with the official elected government operating sort of like the unplugged video game controller you hand your kid brother to keep him from whining for a chance to play.



All this fuss over who really won the election is missing the point. People are bickering over which oligarchic puppet should be sworn in on January 20 when all the evidence we’ve been given shows that nobody gets to become president if they inconvenience real power in any way, and if they do inconvenience real power they are simply ignored.

That is the direction we should all be looking. Not at who’s president, but why things stay the same no matter who’s president."

Outgoing Syria Envoy Admits Hiding US Troop Numbers; Praises Trump’s Mideast Record

‘We were always playing shell games,’ says Amb. Jim Jeffrey, who also gives advice to President-elect Biden.

www.defenseone.com

This is a bit of an understatement by the great Caitlin.

. . . The U.S. government simply is not what Americans were taught it is in school, and it is not what they tell you it is in the news. It’s a mostly unelected power establishment which operates in the interests of imperialist expansionism and oligarchic control, with the official elected government operating sort of like the unplugged video game controller you hand your kid brother to keep him from whining for a chance to play.

ROTFLMFAO "THE DEEP STATE "

 

[gipper]

Yes finally a "Deep State University " that's what this thread was missing. An angel just got it's wings.

If durham wants to remain in washington or 8n government its best not to anger the Deep State. And bringing charges against the Deep State is bound to endanger durhams career

Bob Barr is responsible for this cover up. He sided with the swamp and has damaged the integrity of our government immeasurably. We may never recover from this without drastic changes.

I can’t agree. Our government was a criminal enterprise long before Barr became dumb Don’s AG. It’s just now they do it in our faces.

I find it most amusing how lefties claim there is no evidence for Barr and Durham while simultaneously believing Russiagate for four years, which clearly had made up evidence.

Only Kooks Believe In The Deep State

Only Kooks Believe In The Deep State

Mainstream, liberal U.S. discourse has accomplished an amazing feat of Orwellian doublethink with regard to the notion that unelected power structures are running things without the consent of the nation's official elected government, writes Caitlin Johnstone. By Caitlin Johnstone Ca

consortiumnews.com

". . .Some mass media propagandists find it hilarious that the U.S. war machine used deceit to thwart the president’s attempts to withdraw from its illegal occupation of Syria:

US officials have been lying to Trump – and the American people – about the true number of US troops in Syria in order to deter him from withdrawing them, according to the outgoing Syria envoy. Trump thinks it’s 200 ??. By @KatieBoWill Outgoing Syria Envoy Admits Hiding US Troop Numbers; Praises Trump’s Mideast Record
— Liz Sly (@LizSly) November 13, 2020

This would not be the first time that Jeffrey, a foreign policy insider with the past three presidential administrations, has admitted to deceiving the public about what’s happening in Syria. Earlier this year he admitted at a Hudson Institute video event (these Beltway insiders always get extra honest in the company of fellow think tank denizens) that, contrary to the official public narrative of the U.S. military being in Syria to fight terrorism, it’s actually there to create “a quagmire for the Russians”.

<snip>

". . . Mainstream, liberal U.S. discourse has accomplished an amazing feat of Orwellian doublethink with regard to the notion that unelected power structures are running things without the consent of the nation’s official elected government.

On the one hand there’s been a nonstop deluge of Daily Beast articles since Trump’s election saying anyone who dares to suggest the existence of a “deep state” in America is a conspiracy kook, but on the other hand there’s also been constant praise for the insider “adults in the room” who ensure from within the administration that Trump doesn’t demolish America’s precious norms while in office.

This cognitive two-step became even more reified after comments from the likes of Iraq war architect Bill Kristol tweeting that he’d “prefer the deep state to the Trump state”, and the famous anonymous New York Times op-ed authored by a “senior official in the Trump administration” (now known to have been former chief of staff at the Department of Homeland Security Miles Taylor), saying administration officials are working together against Trump to “thwart parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations”.

<snip>

. . . The U.S. government simply is not what Americans were taught it is in school, and it is not what they tell you it is in the news. It’s a mostly unelected power establishment which operates in the interests of imperialist expansionism and oligarchic control, with the official elected government operating sort of like the unplugged video game controller you hand your kid brother to keep him from whining for a chance to play.



All this fuss over who really won the election is missing the point. People are bickering over which oligarchic puppet should be sworn in on January 20 when all the evidence we’ve been given shows that nobody gets to become president if they inconvenience real power in any way, and if they do inconvenience real power they are simply ignored.

That is the direction we should all be looking. Not at who’s president, but why things stay the same no matter who’s president."

Outgoing Syria Envoy Admits Hiding US Troop Numbers; Praises Trump’s Mideast Record

‘We were always playing shell games,’ says Amb. Jim Jeffrey, who also gives advice to President-elect Biden.

www.defenseone.com

This is a bit of an understatement by the great Caitlin.

. . . The U.S. government simply is not what Americans were taught it is in school, and it is not what they tell you it is in the news. It’s a mostly unelected power establishment which operates in the interests of imperialist expansionism and oligarchic control, with the official elected government operating sort of like the unplugged video game controller you hand your kid brother to keep him from whining for a chance to play.

ROTFLMFAO "THE DEEP STATE "

You just self identified as a fool. Good for you.

 

[Aldo Raine]

Yes finally a "Deep State University " that's what this thread was missing. An angel just got it's wings.

If durham wants to remain in washington or 8n government its best not to anger the Deep State. And bringing charges against the Deep State is bound to endanger durhams career

Bob Barr is responsible for this cover up. He sided with the swamp and has damaged the integrity of our government immeasurably. We may never recover from this without drastic changes.

I can’t agree. Our government was a criminal enterprise long before Barr became dumb Don’s AG. It’s just now they do it in our faces.

I find it most amusing how lefties claim there is no evidence for Barr and Durham while simultaneously believing Russiagate for four years, which clearly had made up evidence.

Only Kooks Believe In The Deep State

Only Kooks Believe In The Deep State

Mainstream, liberal U.S. discourse has accomplished an amazing feat of Orwellian doublethink with regard to the notion that unelected power structures are running things without the consent of the nation's official elected government, writes Caitlin Johnstone. By Caitlin Johnstone Ca

consortiumnews.com

". . .Some mass media propagandists find it hilarious that the U.S. war machine used deceit to thwart the president’s attempts to withdraw from its illegal occupation of Syria:

US officials have been lying to Trump – and the American people – about the true number of US troops in Syria in order to deter him from withdrawing them, according to the outgoing Syria envoy. Trump thinks it’s 200 ??. By @KatieBoWill Outgoing Syria Envoy Admits Hiding US Troop Numbers; Praises Trump’s Mideast Record
— Liz Sly (@LizSly) November 13, 2020

This would not be the first time that Jeffrey, a foreign policy insider with the past three presidential administrations, has admitted to deceiving the public about what’s happening in Syria. Earlier this year he admitted at a Hudson Institute video event (these Beltway insiders always get extra honest in the company of fellow think tank denizens) that, contrary to the official public narrative of the U.S. military being in Syria to fight terrorism, it’s actually there to create “a quagmire for the Russians”.

<snip>

". . . Mainstream, liberal U.S. discourse has accomplished an amazing feat of Orwellian doublethink with regard to the notion that unelected power structures are running things without the consent of the nation’s official elected government.

On the one hand there’s been a nonstop deluge of Daily Beast articles since Trump’s election saying anyone who dares to suggest the existence of a “deep state” in America is a conspiracy kook, but on the other hand there’s also been constant praise for the insider “adults in the room” who ensure from within the administration that Trump doesn’t demolish America’s precious norms while in office.

This cognitive two-step became even more reified after comments from the likes of Iraq war architect Bill Kristol tweeting that he’d “prefer the deep state to the Trump state”, and the famous anonymous New York Times op-ed authored by a “senior official in the Trump administration” (now known to have been former chief of staff at the Department of Homeland Security Miles Taylor), saying administration officials are working together against Trump to “thwart parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations”.

<snip>

. . . The U.S. government simply is not what Americans were taught it is in school, and it is not what they tell you it is in the news. It’s a mostly unelected power establishment which operates in the interests of imperialist expansionism and oligarchic control, with the official elected government operating sort of like the unplugged video game controller you hand your kid brother to keep him from whining for a chance to play.



All this fuss over who really won the election is missing the point. People are bickering over which oligarchic puppet should be sworn in on January 20 when all the evidence we’ve been given shows that nobody gets to become president if they inconvenience real power in any way, and if they do inconvenience real power they are simply ignored.

That is the direction we should all be looking. Not at who’s president, but why things stay the same no matter who’s president."

Outgoing Syria Envoy Admits Hiding US Troop Numbers; Praises Trump’s Mideast Record

‘We were always playing shell games,’ says Amb. Jim Jeffrey, who also gives advice to President-elect Biden.

www.defenseone.com

This is a bit of an understatement by the great Caitlin.

. . . The U.S. government simply is not what Americans were taught it is in school, and it is not what they tell you it is in the news. It’s a mostly unelected power establishment which operates in the interests of imperialist expansionism and oligarchic control, with the official elected government operating sort of like the unplugged video game controller you hand your kid brother to keep him from whining for a chance to play.

ROTFLMFAO "THE DEEP STATE "

You just self identified as a fool. Good for you.

Did ewe graduate from Deep State University?

Or was it tRump University?
MAGA

 

[edthecynic]

There was no credible evidence of a counterespionage conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia.

Only because, as the Mueller Report showed, of the OBSTRUCTION of Tramp and his minions.

 

[edthecynic]

John Durham is a gutless coward. After spending TAXPAYER dollars for an investigation of corruption, he's pulling the plug WITHOUT ANY REPORTING!

He's afraid of backlash from a CORRUPT BIDEN ADMINISTRATION that may not ever become a reality. So far, only the MSM and the DNC have created the "Office of President Elect". These people are IDIOTS!

Durham should be fired without retirement pay. Bill Barr should be fired without retirement pay. Both of them are doing nothing more than protecting other swamp creatures in the DOJ.

We should demand to see what he's found before he disappears. I recall his efforts being turned into a CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION.

With all that money he pissed away, we deserve to see some results.

Source: Durham Investigation Closing Down Without Indictments, Scared of Biden Blowback

redstate.com

If what Obama did, spying on the Trump campaign and transition team with illegal FISA warrants wasn't illegal we need a COMPLETE OVERHAUL of our FISA system.

The F in FISA stands for FOREIGN not Political Opponents. Maybe you thought it was POISA not FISA?

They were surveilling

John Durham is a gutless coward. After spending TAXPAYER dollars for an investigation of corruption, he's pulling the plug WITHOUT ANY REPORTING!

He's afraid of backlash from a CORRUPT BIDEN ADMINISTRATION that may not ever become a reality. So far, only the MSM and the DNC have created the "Office of President Elect". These people are IDIOTS!

Durham should be fired without retirement pay. Bill Barr should be fired without retirement pay. Both of them are doing nothing more than protecting other swamp creatures in the DOJ.

We should demand to see what he's found before he disappears. I recall his efforts being turned into a CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION.

With all that money he pissed away, we deserve to see some results.

Source: Durham Investigation Closing Down Without Indictments, Scared of Biden Blowback

redstate.com

If what Obama did, spying on the Trump campaign and transition team with illegal FISA warrants wasn't illegal we need a COMPLETE OVERHAUL of our FISA system.

The F in FISA stands for FOREIGN not Political Opponents. Maybe you thought it was POISA not FISA?

They were surveilling Russian meddling in 2016 election. Aka their job. But, if in that process, if they heard somebody in trump campaign talking to Russia. That would be responsibility of trump campaign.

Fake News. They surveilled the President by getting a FISA warrant on Carter Page, and then through the 3 hop rule, threw a blanket over the entire Campaign, Transition and Administration. Carter is NOT a foreigner, he is a US Citizen.

Papadopoulos brag to Australian diplomat was key factor in FBI's Russia probe: report

An Australian diplomat's tip appears to have helped persuade the FBI to investigate Russian meddling in the U.S. election and possible coordination with the Trump campaign, The New York Times reported.

www.nbcnews.com

just because youre uninformed, doesnt make facts fake.
It was papadopoulus bragging to diplomat.

Which has nothing to do with Carter Page.

Are you claiming that a FISA warrant was obtained on Papadopoulos?

Nope the actual investigation was opened months before the Page FISA warrant

"Collusion" came to the public essentially as a political narrative, which was designed to lead people to believe that there was a cyber-espionage conspiracy between the Russian regime and the Trump campaign designed to influence the outcome of the 2016 campaign with the specific purpose of advancing Donald Trump’s candidacy and undermining Hillary Clinton. This was presented to the public as a political narrative in the aftermath of the 2016 election. And to some extent before the 2016 election, but it was really promoted with urgency afterwards.

It was actually a protextual counter intelligence in that it was really a criminal investigation, but they didn’t have a predicate crime. So the use of the counterintelligence powers of the government allowed the FBI and the Justice Department to look for a crime even though they didn’t have one.

There was no credible evidence of a counterespionage conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia. There’s not even that the Trump campaign had the competence, and the wherewithal to be a participant in a cyber-espionage conspiracy. There was never any credible indication that Russia, which is quite expert at cyber-espionage ever wanted or needed the help of any American partners, the Trump campaign, or any campaign. The only thread on which that was built was a claim by a former British intelligence official, Christopher Steele, that there was this enterprise between the Trump campaign and Russia. And that was based on his claim by his own description of it was based on sources of his, some of whom were anonymous, all of whom were two or three or four steps removed from him in a hearsay sense.

And when Steele was sued for libel in Britain, he himself said that this intelligence hadn’t been verified or corroborated and needed to be investigated. Yet this was the “evidence” that the FBI and Justice Department went to the foreign intelligence surveillance court on the basis of, presenting it as verified and corroborated, which was fraudulent. That is not to say that there were no connections between the two sides. What law enforcement and intelligence people are supposed to care about is conspiracy. And there wasn’t any evidence of that.

As for when this investigative fraud began, that goes to the principle public confusion. The fraud posing as an "investigation" may have begun in the latter half of 2015 right around the time that Trump announced his candidacy. Very early on he indicated that he was a skeptic about the utility of NATO and about the post World War Two world order that basically we, and our allies in western Europe have presided over and fortified for the last three quarters of the century. Trump certainly was skeptical about whether, we the United States, we’re getting the value of our investments in NATO. He suggested that many of our allies are free loaders that don’t pay their fair share. We get entangled in too many foreign escapades at the expense of being able to attend to things in our own country and so forth.

Our allies found all of this very alarming. The idea that they would have to pay their fair share and pay what they’ve actually promised to pay into the NATO would put great strain on their budgets, they were quite satisfied with the status quo.

So, clearly his politics threatened a number of well heeled apple carts, but, there was never a factual predicate, or evidence that he was an agent of a foreign power. How in the world can you justify throwing the full weight of our FOREIGN spy and counterintelligence powers against a rival domestic political opponent based on nothing more than mere speculation? There was never hard evidence of traitorous behavior or loyalties to another government that could undermine our government.

Our FISA protections against domestic abuse require more along those lines than mere speculation. These counterintelligence powers that we entrust to the government are awesome powers that are intended to protect the United States from foreign threats to national security. We had been assured of of a strong presumption against there being used against us in American politics, domestic politics and there’s a long history of this that goes back to the 60s and 70s. The whole reason that we have FISA is because of this potential for misuse and these past episodes of abuse of these intelligence powers.

The thing that needs to be assured is that if you’re going to use counterintelligence authorities in order to investigate people connected to a political campaign, that you better have very strong evidence that there is justification for it. If they’re going to use tactics like going to the foreign intelligence surveillance court or using informants and operatives to infiltrate political campaigns, then it's quite odd to me that you even doubt that we must have a much stronger basis than just mere speculation, musings that may be nothing more than myth.

The Justice Department's own regulations require investigations to be factually predicated. But, these regulations are written to give the government maximum flexibility so that they can justify virtually anything, presuming that these powers would only be used by those of the highest integrity, sworn individuals completely and totally above reproach. We are deeply reliant on having responsible people in positions of authority, particularly supervisory positions who are mindful of, not only the investigative imperatives, but also the other interests that have to be respected and guarded, particularly keeping political campaigns insulated from the use of intelligence techniques or law enforcement tactics. We are much more reliant on people than on regulations because they write the regulations in a way that that if there’s a problem that they can usually justify themselves.

We had a major abuse of our counterintelligence authority, we had something occur that we had all been assured was "impossible". Our most trusted and highly placed authorities went to the foreign intelligence surveillance court with a screen of opposition research that hadn’t been verified or corroborated, and came away with a FISA warrant and renewed it 3 times.

When it comes to foreign counterintelligence we’re talking about probable cause if someone is acting as a clandestine agent of a foreign power and that requires vetted facts. That journey may start with something like the dossier, but they’ll go out and get independent evidence for it. They’ll talk to other witnesses, they’ll gather records. By the time they go to the FISA court, this will no longer be Christopher Steele dossier. This will now be an FBI investigation. You’ll never even have to hear Christopher Steele’s name. What ended up happening is what was never supposed to happen. They never verified the information, they never corroborated it, and they concealed from the FISA Court that it was paid for by the Hillary Clinton Campaign.

They convict themselves of being disingenuous by the energy they expended withholding this information that they had the highest duty to disclose. What they filed with the Court is astonishing. They took Steele’s information and they just basically cut and pasted it into FISA submissions or applications which are supposed to be verified applications to the foreign intelligence surveillance court. Comey was asked by a Senate committee that he was briefing about why they would do that when Steele actually is not the source of any of the facts that the court was being asked to rely on for purposes of probable cause. Steele has not been in Russia for about 20 years. His cover was blown as an intelligence officer in the late 1990s.

A shit load of Doublespeak!

 

[Mac-7]

Honestly, when you just invent your own reality, there’s nothing more to be said. It doesn’t matter what actually happened, you’ll never believe it anyway.

Let me repeat reality for you more slowly.


even the repubs have been made to look like fools when trump came down the elevator and accomplished something they couldnt

EVEN - THE -REPUBS - HAVE - BEEN - MADE - TO - LOOK - FOOLS - BY - TRUMP

they resent the hell out of his accomplishing what the couldnt

 

[Lesh]

Honestly, when you just invent your own reality, there’s nothing more to be said. It doesn’t matter what actually happened, you’ll never believe it anyway.

Let me repeat reality for you more slowly.


even the repubs have been made to look like fools when trump came down the elevator and accomplished something they couldnt

EVEN - THE -REPUBS - HAVE - BEEN - MADE - TO - LOOK - FOOLS - BY - TRUMP

they resent the hell out of his accomplishing what the couldnt

It was an escalator and what the fuck are you talking about?

 

[colfax_m]

Let me repeat reality for you more slowly.


even the repubs have been made to look like fools when trump came down the elevator and accomplished something they couldnt

EVEN - THE -REPUBS - HAVE - BEEN - MADE - TO - LOOK - FOOLS - BY - TRUMP

they resent the hell out of his accomplishing what the couldnt

Trump accomplished what they couldn't because he completely abandoned any principles. Even for Republicans, Trump's lies stretch far beyond what anyone else would ever consider doing.

 

[Mac-7]

All this fuss over who really won the election is missing the point. People are bickering over which oligarchic puppet should be sworn in on January 20 when all the evidence we’ve been given shows that nobody gets to become president if they inconvenience real power in any way, and if they do inconvenience real power they are simply ignored.

You are describing the dope smoking 3rd party losers that fencesitters normally vote for

but trump was smarter than the washington establishment AND the Loony Tunes 3rd party crowd

he stepped in and won the nomination of a major political party and rode it into the White House

i used to say trump is hated for showing up the washington establishment, and he is

but I overlooked the bruised ego of the independents who also hate trump solely for his success

 

[Mac-7]

Trump accomplished what they couldn't because he completely abandoned any principles. Even for Republicans, Trump's lies stretch far beyond what anyone else would ever consider doing.

Hillary and biden are the real liars who talk out of both sides of their mouth on every issue

Trump told us what he would do and then went out and did it to the full extent of his power

 

[Mac-7]

oh...And what should be done with Trump supporters?

Hitler discovered that dissidents make excellent leather products

while Xi sells their organs to rich customers

 

[Mac-7]

Did ewe graduate from Deep State University?

Or was it tRump University?

When libs descend into personal insults we know that they know they are losing the argument

 

[colfax_m]

Hillary and biden are the real liars who talk out of both sides of their mouth on every issue

Trump told us what he would do and then rent out and did it to the full extent of his power

And along the way, he made up insane story after insane story and now his supporters can't tell what the hell is going on because they're so used to disinformation.

 

[Care4all]

John Durham is a gutless coward. After spending TAXPAYER dollars for an investigation of corruption, he's pulling the plug WITHOUT ANY REPORTING!

He's afraid of backlash from a CORRUPT BIDEN ADMINISTRATION that may not ever become a reality. So far, only the MSM and the DNC have created the "Office of President Elect". These people are IDIOTS!

Durham should be fired without retirement pay. Bill Barr should be fired without retirement pay. Both of them are doing nothing more than protecting other swamp creatures in the DOJ.

We should demand to see what he's found before he disappears. I recall his efforts being turned into a CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION.

With all that money he pissed away, we deserve to see some results.

Source: Durham Investigation Closing Down Without Indictments, Scared of Biden Blowback

redstate.com

If what Obama did, spying on the Trump campaign and transition team with illegal FISA warrants wasn't illegal we need a COMPLETE OVERHAUL of our FISA system.

The F in FISA stands for FOREIGN not Political Opponents. Maybe you thought it was POISA not FISA?

They were surveilling

John Durham is a gutless coward. After spending TAXPAYER dollars for an investigation of corruption, he's pulling the plug WITHOUT ANY REPORTING!

He's afraid of backlash from a CORRUPT BIDEN ADMINISTRATION that may not ever become a reality. So far, only the MSM and the DNC have created the "Office of President Elect". These people are IDIOTS!

Durham should be fired without retirement pay. Bill Barr should be fired without retirement pay. Both of them are doing nothing more than protecting other swamp creatures in the DOJ.

We should demand to see what he's found before he disappears. I recall his efforts being turned into a CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION.

With all that money he pissed away, we deserve to see some results.

Source: Durham Investigation Closing Down Without Indictments, Scared of Biden Blowback

redstate.com

If what Obama did, spying on the Trump campaign and transition team with illegal FISA warrants wasn't illegal we need a COMPLETE OVERHAUL of our FISA system.

The F in FISA stands for FOREIGN not Political Opponents. Maybe you thought it was POISA not FISA?

They were surveilling Russian meddling in 2016 election. Aka their job. But, if in that process, if they heard somebody in trump campaign talking to Russia. That would be responsibility of trump campaign.

Fake News. They surveilled the President by getting a FISA warrant on Carter Page, and then through the 3 hop rule, threw a blanket over the entire Campaign, Transition and Administration. Carter is NOT a foreigner, he is a US Citizen.

Papadopoulos brag to Australian diplomat was key factor in FBI's Russia probe: report

An Australian diplomat's tip appears to have helped persuade the FBI to investigate Russian meddling in the U.S. election and possible coordination with the Trump campaign, The New York Times reported.

www.nbcnews.com

just because youre uninformed, doesnt make facts fake.
It was papadopoulus bragging to diplomat.

Which has nothing to do with Carter Page.

Are you claiming that a FISA warrant was obtained on Papadopoulos?

“Did your investigation identify any evidence President Obama ordered the FBI to tap Donald Trump’s phone?” asked Sen. Christopher Coons (D-Del.), after citing Trump’s tweets from 2017.

“We didn’t find any evidence the FBI had tapped any other phones or anything else other than the FISA that we addressed,” Horowitz responded, referring to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrant to surveil Page.

DOJ inspector general refutes Trump claim that Obama tapped his wires

Department of Justice (DOJ) Inspector General Michael Horowitz said Wednesday that he found no evidence the FBI wiretapped anyone other than former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page in connection …

thehill.com

this is almost a year old, come on.

I referenced the FISA warrants.

And you responded with: “We didn’t find any evidence the FBI had tapped any other phones or anything else other than the FISA that we addressed,”

No one claimed that a 4th amendment compliant warrant was issued, it's well known that they had no probable cause for such a warrant, which is why they misused FISA authorities.

On the 4th amendment compliant warrant, the government must present a judge with probable cause that a wiretap-eligible offense has occurred — or is occurring — and that a wiretap will uncover the necessary evidence.

A FISA warrant provides spying authority as well, but, this authority is supposed to be restricted to FOREIGN targets, however, if officials represent to the FISA court judge that they have probable cause that the person being wiretapped is an agent of a foreign power, like a spy, or an agent of a foreign terrorist organization, even if that foreign target is an American citizen, then a FISA warrant may be approved and the 3 hop rule applies.

This is what the FBI/DOJ repeatedly and fraudulently represented to the FISA Court about Carter Page.

Carter Page was the subject of FISA warrants in 2014 because several russian spies attempted to recruit him in 2013. Due to Carter Page's extensive ties to russia, he was survielled as a possible foreign agent. Its the job of our intelligence agencies to determine this...

Fake News. He reported that to the CIA and worked with the CIA developing intel from the Russians for the CIA. The FBI was repeatedly informed of this by the CIA and by Carter Page, and they even forged "Not" on one of the emails informing them of this, so what originally read as Carter Page is a CIA asset, now read Carter Page is NOT a CIA asset, and submitted this "proof" to the FISA court along with the rest of the pack of lies in the FISA submission.

You know full well that the FISA warrants were pretextual and you're fine with illegal spying just so long as it's conducted against your political opponents.

If the forged NOT, was intentional then that person should be punished! And any illegal shenanigans even for the best of national security legitimate concerns.

But, there are measures in the FISA law that covers mishandling of search warrants, that gives people like Carter Page, restitution, for every day he had wrongful surveillance, along with punishments for the agents.

To me, this means the fbi, or other Intel agencies might be overzealous, more often than what one would think....

Yes, this should NOT happen!

But it also shows to me, that this was not something created by the fbi, just personally against Trump...it occurs more often, which is a problem....

It appears they really thought they could get more information on what the Russians were doing, since Page said himself that he had never even met Donald Trump...never spoke to him or shook his hand, and had never even spoken to him via phone.....

The fbi was not trying to spy on Trump himself, but on what the fbi was tasked with finding out....What were the Russians doing to interfere in the election and were there any Trump campaign people, witting or unwittingly helping or involved with the Russian plot.

 

[colfax_m]

When libs descend into personal insults we know that they know they are losing the argument

Do you hold Trump to that same standard?

Just curious. Because I doubt you do.

 

[Mac-7]

And along the way, he made up insane story after insane story and now his supporters can't tell what the hell is going on because they're so used to disinformation.

Thats your disinformation

 

[Aldo Raine]

Did ewe graduate from Deep State University?

Or was it tRump University?

When libs descend into personal insults we know that they know they are losing the argument

Once you start typing you have lost.
MAGA

 

[Mac-7]

Do you hold Trump to that same standard?

I hold trump to the same standard that I hold myself

when libs attack me with personal insults I fight back

and so does trump

 

[gipper]

Yes finally a "Deep State University " that's what this thread was missing. An angel just got it's wings.

If durham wants to remain in washington or 8n government its best not to anger the Deep State. And bringing charges against the Deep State is bound to endanger durhams career

Bob Barr is responsible for this cover up. He sided with the swamp and has damaged the integrity of our government immeasurably. We may never recover from this without drastic changes.

I can’t agree. Our government was a criminal enterprise long before Barr became dumb Don’s AG. It’s just now they do it in our faces.

I find it most amusing how lefties claim there is no evidence for Barr and Durham while simultaneously believing Russiagate for four years, which clearly had made up evidence.

Only Kooks Believe In The Deep State

Only Kooks Believe In The Deep State

Mainstream, liberal U.S. discourse has accomplished an amazing feat of Orwellian doublethink with regard to the notion that unelected power structures are running things without the consent of the nation's official elected government, writes Caitlin Johnstone. By Caitlin Johnstone Ca

consortiumnews.com

". . .Some mass media propagandists find it hilarious that the U.S. war machine used deceit to thwart the president’s attempts to withdraw from its illegal occupation of Syria:

US officials have been lying to Trump – and the American people – about the true number of US troops in Syria in order to deter him from withdrawing them, according to the outgoing Syria envoy. Trump thinks it’s 200 ??. By @KatieBoWill Outgoing Syria Envoy Admits Hiding US Troop Numbers; Praises Trump’s Mideast Record
— Liz Sly (@LizSly) November 13, 2020

This would not be the first time that Jeffrey, a foreign policy insider with the past three presidential administrations, has admitted to deceiving the public about what’s happening in Syria. Earlier this year he admitted at a Hudson Institute video event (these Beltway insiders always get extra honest in the company of fellow think tank denizens) that, contrary to the official public narrative of the U.S. military being in Syria to fight terrorism, it’s actually there to create “a quagmire for the Russians”.

<snip>

". . . Mainstream, liberal U.S. discourse has accomplished an amazing feat of Orwellian doublethink with regard to the notion that unelected power structures are running things without the consent of the nation’s official elected government.

On the one hand there’s been a nonstop deluge of Daily Beast articles since Trump’s election saying anyone who dares to suggest the existence of a “deep state” in America is a conspiracy kook, but on the other hand there’s also been constant praise for the insider “adults in the room” who ensure from within the administration that Trump doesn’t demolish America’s precious norms while in office.

This cognitive two-step became even more reified after comments from the likes of Iraq war architect Bill Kristol tweeting that he’d “prefer the deep state to the Trump state”, and the famous anonymous New York Times op-ed authored by a “senior official in the Trump administration” (now known to have been former chief of staff at the Department of Homeland Security Miles Taylor), saying administration officials are working together against Trump to “thwart parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations”.

<snip>

. . . The U.S. government simply is not what Americans were taught it is in school, and it is not what they tell you it is in the news. It’s a mostly unelected power establishment which operates in the interests of imperialist expansionism and oligarchic control, with the official elected government operating sort of like the unplugged video game controller you hand your kid brother to keep him from whining for a chance to play.



All this fuss over who really won the election is missing the point. People are bickering over which oligarchic puppet should be sworn in on January 20 when all the evidence we’ve been given shows that nobody gets to become president if they inconvenience real power in any way, and if they do inconvenience real power they are simply ignored.

That is the direction we should all be looking. Not at who’s president, but why things stay the same no matter who’s president."

Outgoing Syria Envoy Admits Hiding US Troop Numbers; Praises Trump’s Mideast Record

‘We were always playing shell games,’ says Amb. Jim Jeffrey, who also gives advice to President-elect Biden.

www.defenseone.com

This is a bit of an understatement by the great Caitlin.

. . . The U.S. government simply is not what Americans were taught it is in school, and it is not what they tell you it is in the news. It’s a mostly unelected power establishment which operates in the interests of imperialist expansionism and oligarchic control, with the official elected government operating sort of like the unplugged video game controller you hand your kid brother to keep him from whining for a chance to play.

ROTFLMFAO "THE DEEP STATE "

You just self identified as a fool. Good for you.

Did ewe graduate from Deep State University?

Or was it tRump University?
MAGA

Dumb. You need a new gig. It’s old.

 

[Aldo Raine]

Yes finally a "Deep State University " that's what this thread was missing. An angel just got it's wings.

If durham wants to remain in washington or 8n government its best not to anger the Deep State. And bringing charges against the Deep State is bound to endanger durhams career

Bob Barr is responsible for this cover up. He sided with the swamp and has damaged the integrity of our government immeasurably. We may never recover from this without drastic changes.

I can’t agree. Our government was a criminal enterprise long before Barr became dumb Don’s AG. It’s just now they do it in our faces.

I find it most amusing how lefties claim there is no evidence for Barr and Durham while simultaneously believing Russiagate for four years, which clearly had made up evidence.

Only Kooks Believe In The Deep State

Only Kooks Believe In The Deep State

Mainstream, liberal U.S. discourse has accomplished an amazing feat of Orwellian doublethink with regard to the notion that unelected power structures are running things without the consent of the nation's official elected government, writes Caitlin Johnstone. By Caitlin Johnstone Ca

consortiumnews.com

". . .Some mass media propagandists find it hilarious that the U.S. war machine used deceit to thwart the president’s attempts to withdraw from its illegal occupation of Syria:

US officials have been lying to Trump – and the American people – about the true number of US troops in Syria in order to deter him from withdrawing them, according to the outgoing Syria envoy. Trump thinks it’s 200 ??. By @KatieBoWill Outgoing Syria Envoy Admits Hiding US Troop Numbers; Praises Trump’s Mideast Record
— Liz Sly (@LizSly) November 13, 2020

This would not be the first time that Jeffrey, a foreign policy insider with the past three presidential administrations, has admitted to deceiving the public about what’s happening in Syria. Earlier this year he admitted at a Hudson Institute video event (these Beltway insiders always get extra honest in the company of fellow think tank denizens) that, contrary to the official public narrative of the U.S. military being in Syria to fight terrorism, it’s actually there to create “a quagmire for the Russians”.

<snip>

". . . Mainstream, liberal U.S. discourse has accomplished an amazing feat of Orwellian doublethink with regard to the notion that unelected power structures are running things without the consent of the nation’s official elected government.

On the one hand there’s been a nonstop deluge of Daily Beast articles since Trump’s election saying anyone who dares to suggest the existence of a “deep state” in America is a conspiracy kook, but on the other hand there’s also been constant praise for the insider “adults in the room” who ensure from within the administration that Trump doesn’t demolish America’s precious norms while in office.

This cognitive two-step became even more reified after comments from the likes of Iraq war architect Bill Kristol tweeting that he’d “prefer the deep state to the Trump state”, and the famous anonymous New York Times op-ed authored by a “senior official in the Trump administration” (now known to have been former chief of staff at the Department of Homeland Security Miles Taylor), saying administration officials are working together against Trump to “thwart parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations”.

<snip>

. . . The U.S. government simply is not what Americans were taught it is in school, and it is not what they tell you it is in the news. It’s a mostly unelected power establishment which operates in the interests of imperialist expansionism and oligarchic control, with the official elected government operating sort of like the unplugged video game controller you hand your kid brother to keep him from whining for a chance to play.



All this fuss over who really won the election is missing the point. People are bickering over which oligarchic puppet should be sworn in on January 20 when all the evidence we’ve been given shows that nobody gets to become president if they inconvenience real power in any way, and if they do inconvenience real power they are simply ignored.

That is the direction we should all be looking. Not at who’s president, but why things stay the same no matter who’s president."

Outgoing Syria Envoy Admits Hiding US Troop Numbers; Praises Trump’s Mideast Record

‘We were always playing shell games,’ says Amb. Jim Jeffrey, who also gives advice to President-elect Biden.

www.defenseone.com

This is a bit of an understatement by the great Caitlin.

. . . The U.S. government simply is not what Americans were taught it is in school, and it is not what they tell you it is in the news. It’s a mostly unelected power establishment which operates in the interests of imperialist expansionism and oligarchic control, with the official elected government operating sort of like the unplugged video game controller you hand your kid brother to keep him from whining for a chance to play.

ROTFLMFAO "THE DEEP STATE "

You just self identified as a fool. Good for you.

Did ewe graduate from Deep State University?

Or was it tRump University?
MAGA

Dumb. You need a new gig. It’s old.

You go on about "The Deep State " and you call anybody dumb?

I mean you just can't make this shit up!!

MAGA