John Kasich’s red herring argument: We can’t round them up and deport them

[johnwk]

Have you noticed our Establishment media, including FoxNews, is constantly giving air time to the red herring argument that we can’t round up millions of illegal entrants and deport them? John Kasich and some other candidates are constantly telling us this when loyal and patriotic American citizens, who have been made into tax slaves to support the economic needs of illegal entrants, want those we elect to make it very uncomfortable for illegal entrants to stay in our country, and want this even more so than building a wall! Some have suggested such things as:

impose a hard labor jail sentence on illegal entrants if caught working in our country;

require business owners to utilize e-verify when hiring;

severely punish business owners who knowingly hire illegal aliens;

require emergency rooms to use e-verify and establish legal residence when providing emergency room services;

deny illegal entrants any medical care (excepting in a lifedeath situation);

deny the children of illegal aliens access to a State’s public schools and any other taxpayer financed public benefit;

make it a prosecutable criminal offense for illegals to live in any public housing unit or section eight housing;

prosecute legal residents who harbor illegal entrants in section eight housing or public housing and immediately evict the legal resident of that housing unit if caught harboring illegal entrants;

and make it known from coast to coast the United States will never allow a person who has entered our country illegally to re-enter our country legally in the future, which would actually encourage many current illegal entrants to exit our country on their own and re-enter legally.

The bottom line is, John Kasich’s talking point that we can’t round up millions of illegal entrants is an intentional distraction to avoid discussing what many American Citizens want done which is to make it very uncomfortable for illegal entrants to remain here which in turn would encourage them to leave on their own!

Why do a number of our Republican Candidates, e.g., JohnKasich, Ben Carson, Jeb Bush, and Marco Rubio, and our friends at FoxNews, avoid discussing a plan to encourage illegals to leave on their own?


JWK



To support Ben Carson, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio or John Kasich is to support a continuance of Obama's illegal immigration tyranny which includes giving legal status and work permits to tens of millions who have invaded our borders!

 

[jwoodie]

What would you do with long-time illegals who have American children or grandchildren? Once they turn 18, the parents/grandparents can come here anyway. Let's change/enforce the law prospectively, but indiscriminate mass deportations will not be acceptable to the general public.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

What would you do with long-time illegals who have American children or grandchildren? Once they turn 18, the parents/grandparents can come here anyway. Let's change/enforce the law prospectively, but indiscriminate mass deportations will not be acceptable to the general public.

To get foreign family members into the US a petition must be filed, a immigrant visa which leads to a green card or lawful permanent residence.

Potential beneficiaries of family-based petitions are classified into two categories: so- called “immediate relatives of U.S. citizens” and “family preference” relatives. The “immediate relatives of U.S. citizens” are not subject to limitations on the number of immigrant visas (green cards) given out each year. This category includes the spouses (same-sex or opposite-sex) of U.S. citizens and their unmarried children younger than 21 years, their parents (after the U.S. citizen child has turned 21), and orphans adopted abroad or in the States.

The “family preference” categories are the following:

• First Preference (F1) - unmarried sons and daughters of U.S. citizens of any age, regardless of the son’s and daughter’s are. To be eligible under this classification, the beneficiary must be “unmarried” when the petition is filed, and remain so until receiving the green card.
• Second Preference (F2) - spouses (same-sex or opposite-sex), minor children, and unmarried sons and daughters (age 21 and above) of permanent residents. Children who are either divorced or widowed are considered “unmarried”, hence, eligible under this classification. Those children who are 21 or over fall into a subcategory called 2B; they wait slightly longer than other second preference relatives, who are in a subcategory called 2A.
• Third Preference (F3) - married sons and daughters of U.S. citizens, and their spouses and minor children. If a beneficiary obtains a good-faith divorce during the long years of waiting for the visa, he or she will become eligible for an immigrant visa as an F1.
• Fourth Preference (F4) - brothers and sisters of a U.S. citizen, and their spouse and minor children. Half-brothers and half-sisters as well as adoptive siblings are eligible under this category.

Notice, grandparents aren't listed in either category.

How to Get a Foreign Family Member Into the U.S. - AllLaw.com

 

[BluesLegend]

We already deport 400,000 a year. The only reason we don't deport more is because congress has not allocated more resources. So close the border and deport 800,000 the first year, 1,200,000 the second year, and so on until they are all gone.

 

[johnwk]

What would you do with long-time illegals who have American children or grandchildren? Once they turn 18, the parents/grandparents can come here anyway. Let's change/enforce the law prospectively, but indiscriminate mass deportations will not be acceptable to the general public.

They are free to take their children with them which is very humane and does not break up the family.

Additionally, children born to foreigners while on American soil who have entered our country illegally are not, by the documented intentions under which the 14th Amendment was adopted, Citizens of the United States! There has never been a Supreme Court Case which addressed these particular circumstances! And the Congressional debates which framed the 14th Amendment gives clear evidence they are not Citizens by birth!

Bottom line is, the children you speak of ought to be deported along with their parents.


JWK


The whole aim of construction, as applied to a provision of the Constitution, is to discover the meaning, to ascertain and give effect to the intent of its framers and the people who adopted it._____HOME BLDG. & LOAN ASS'N v. BLAISDELL, 290 U.S. 398 (1934)

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

We already deport 400,000 a year. The only reason we don't deport more is because congress has not allocated more resources. So close the border and deport 800,000 the first year, 1,200,000 the second year, and so on until they are all gone.

We could save a lot of time and money with one simple law: anybody caught here illegally is subject to a five year minimum prison sentence no matter who you are. You won't need a fence because foreigners would be a afraid to come in. You won't need busses to haul them out because they will be jumping fences to get the hell out.

We could save tens of millions of dollars by getting these people to self-deport and not only solve this problem now, but in the future as well.

You have until January 1st to be out of the country. And if I don't see you by then, Happy Thanksgiving and Merry Christmas, now get the hell out of my country.

 

[auditor0007]

Have you noticed our Establishment media, including FoxNews, is constantly giving air time to the red herring argument that we can’t round up millions of illegal entrants and deport them? John Kasich and some other candidates are constantly telling us this when loyal and patriotic American citizens, who have been made into tax slaves to support the economic needs of illegal entrants, want those we elect to make it very uncomfortable for illegal entrants to stay in our country, and want this even more so than building a wall! Some have suggested such things as:

impose a hard labor jail sentence on illegal entrants if caught working in our country;

require business owners to utilize e-verify when hiring;

severely punish business owners who knowingly hire illegal aliens;

require emergency rooms to use e-verify and establish legal residence when providing emergency room services;

deny illegal entrants any medical care (excepting in a lifedeath situation);

deny the children of illegal aliens access to a State’s public schools and any other taxpayer financed public benefit;

make it a prosecutable criminal offense for illegals to live in any public housing unit or section eight housing;

prosecute legal residents who harbor illegal entrants in section eight housing or public housing and immediately evict the legal resident of that housing unit if caught harboring illegal entrants;

and make it known from coast to coast the United States will never allow a person who has entered our country illegally to re-enter our country legally in the future, which would actually encourage many current illegal entrants to exit our country on their own and re-enter legally.

The bottom line is, John Kasich’s talking point that we can’t round up millions of illegal entrants is an intentional distraction to avoid discussing what many American Citizens want done which is to make it very uncomfortable for illegal entrants to remain here which in turn would encourage them to leave on their own!

Why do a number of our Republican Candidates, e.g., JohnKasich, Ben Carson, Jeb Bush, and Marco Rubio, and our friends at FoxNews, avoid discussing a plan to encourage illegals to leave on their own?


JWK



To support Ben Carson, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio or John Kasich is to support a continuance of Obama's illegal immigration tyranny which includes giving legal status and work permits to tens of millions who have invaded our borders!

Many children of illegals are US citizens. If you support deporting them, then you support the breakup of millions of families. In many cases, kids who are US citizens will be left behind with no parents. This is why many are against even the idea of deporting so many. Secondly, the cost would be enormous, and last of all, it would cost us millions of jobs. Despite what you may think, having these people here creates jobs and the need for jobs.

 

[bendog]

We already deport 400,000 a year. The only reason we don't deport more is because congress has not allocated more resources. So close the border and deport 800,000 the first year, 1,200,000 the second year, and so on until they are all gone.

We could save a lot of time and money with one simple law: anybody caught here illegally is subject to a five year minimum prison sentence no matter who you are. You won't need a fence because foreigners would be a afraid to come in. You won't need busses to haul them out because they will be jumping fences to get the hell out.

We could save tens of millions of dollars by getting these people to self-deport and not only solve this problem now, but in the future as well.

You have until January 1st to be out of the country. And if I don't see you by then, Happy Thanksgiving and Merry Christmas, now get the hell out of my country.

Who is gonna pay the ten plus thousand per inmate per year?

 

[PredFan]

Kasich is an idiot. We don't have to deport them all, if we do it right, many will self-deport.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

We already deport 400,000 a year. The only reason we don't deport more is because congress has not allocated more resources. So close the border and deport 800,000 the first year, 1,200,000 the second year, and so on until they are all gone.

We could save a lot of time and money with one simple law: anybody caught here illegally is subject to a five year minimum prison sentence no matter who you are. You won't need a fence because foreigners would be a afraid to come in. You won't need busses to haul them out because they will be jumping fences to get the hell out.

We could save tens of millions of dollars by getting these people to self-deport and not only solve this problem now, but in the future as well.

You have until January 1st to be out of the country. And if I don't see you by then, Happy Thanksgiving and Merry Christmas, now get the hell out of my country.

Who is gonna pay the ten plus thousand per inmate per year?

There won't be that many; that's the point of the law. They will leave on their own.

 

[whitehall]

Why can't we all agree to close the borders, eliminate so-called sanctuary cities which are already in violation of the law and deport people who are illegally and criminally in this Country the moment they are released after serving their sentence for being convicted of a crime?

 

[bendog]

Some but not all of the OP's ideas are illegal under US statute and/or supreme court precedent, but it is generally true we could make life harder for those here illegally, and possibly that would cause some to leave and attempt to return legally.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Have you noticed our Establishment media, including FoxNews, is constantly giving air time to the red herring argument that we can’t round up millions of illegal entrants and deport them? John Kasich and some other candidates are constantly telling us this when loyal and patriotic American citizens, who have been made into tax slaves to support the economic needs of illegal entrants, want those we elect to make it very uncomfortable for illegal entrants to stay in our country, and want this even more so than building a wall! Some have suggested such things as:

impose a hard labor jail sentence on illegal entrants if caught working in our country;

require business owners to utilize e-verify when hiring;

severely punish business owners who knowingly hire illegal aliens;

require emergency rooms to use e-verify and establish legal residence when providing emergency room services;

deny illegal entrants any medical care (excepting in a lifedeath situation);

deny the children of illegal aliens access to a State’s public schools and any other taxpayer financed public benefit;

make it a prosecutable criminal offense for illegals to live in any public housing unit or section eight housing;

prosecute legal residents who harbor illegal entrants in section eight housing or public housing and immediately evict the legal resident of that housing unit if caught harboring illegal entrants;

and make it known from coast to coast the United States will never allow a person who has entered our country illegally to re-enter our country legally in the future, which would actually encourage many current illegal entrants to exit our country on their own and re-enter legally.

The bottom line is, John Kasich’s talking point that we can’t round up millions of illegal entrants is an intentional distraction to avoid discussing what many American Citizens want done which is to make it very uncomfortable for illegal entrants to remain here which in turn would encourage them to leave on their own!

Why do a number of our Republican Candidates, e.g., JohnKasich, Ben Carson, Jeb Bush, and Marco Rubio, and our friends at FoxNews, avoid discussing a plan to encourage illegals to leave on their own?


JWK



To support Ben Carson, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio or John Kasich is to support a continuance of Obama's illegal immigration tyranny which includes giving legal status and work permits to tens of millions who have invaded our borders!

Many children of illegals are US citizens. If you support deporting them, then you support the breakup of millions of families. In many cases, kids who are US citizens will be left behind with no parents. This is why many are against even the idea of deporting so many. Secondly, the cost would be enormous, and last of all, it would cost us millions of jobs. Despite what you may think, having these people here creates jobs and the need for jobs.

No, the children thing is a pathetic excuse. If I as a parent take a job across the country, my kids are going with me. They have no choice, I'm their parent. Millions of Americans do it every single year.

 

[PredFan]

Have you noticed our Establishment media, including FoxNews, is constantly giving air time to the red herring argument that we can’t round up millions of illegal entrants and deport them? John Kasich and some other candidates are constantly telling us this when loyal and patriotic American citizens, who have been made into tax slaves to support the economic needs of illegal entrants, want those we elect to make it very uncomfortable for illegal entrants to stay in our country, and want this even more so than building a wall! Some have suggested such things as:

impose a hard labor jail sentence on illegal entrants if caught working in our country;

require business owners to utilize e-verify when hiring;

severely punish business owners who knowingly hire illegal aliens;

require emergency rooms to use e-verify and establish legal residence when providing emergency room services;

deny illegal entrants any medical care (excepting in a lifedeath situation);

deny the children of illegal aliens access to a State’s public schools and any other taxpayer financed public benefit;

make it a prosecutable criminal offense for illegals to live in any public housing unit or section eight housing;

prosecute legal residents who harbor illegal entrants in section eight housing or public housing and immediately evict the legal resident of that housing unit if caught harboring illegal entrants;

and make it known from coast to coast the United States will never allow a person who has entered our country illegally to re-enter our country legally in the future, which would actually encourage many current illegal entrants to exit our country on their own and re-enter legally.

The bottom line is, John Kasich’s talking point that we can’t round up millions of illegal entrants is an intentional distraction to avoid discussing what many American Citizens want done which is to make it very uncomfortable for illegal entrants to remain here which in turn would encourage them to leave on their own!

Why do a number of our Republican Candidates, e.g., JohnKasich, Ben Carson, Jeb Bush, and Marco Rubio, and our friends at FoxNews, avoid discussing a plan to encourage illegals to leave on their own?


JWK



To support Ben Carson, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio or John Kasich is to support a continuance of Obama's illegal immigration tyranny which includes giving legal status and work permits to tens of millions who have invaded our borders!

Many children of illegals are US citizens. If you support deporting them, then you support the breakup of millions of families. In many cases, kids who are US citizens will be left behind with no parents. This is why many are against even the idea of deporting so many. Secondly, the cost would be enormous, and last of all, it would cost us millions of jobs. Despite what you may think, having these people here creates jobs and the need for jobs.

Meh, you are arguing emotion instead of logic and reason. Typical. But Trump is right, we can't have a country and allow this to happen. Our choice is either there is a successful, stable, America, where we have laws and we enforce them, where we have legal immigrants who want to be Americans and not just establish a "Little Mexico", or any separate community where they can abuse this countries advantages and pretend they are still in the old country, or we end up a third world country lie the shithole they left. those are the only two choices.

It isn't our fault they got here illegally and then started having a bunch of kids. That was their fault. I have zero fucks to give.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Why can't we all agree to close the borders, eliminate so-called sanctuary cities which are already in violation of the law and deport people who are illegally and criminally in this Country the moment they are released after serving their sentence for being convicted of a crime?

Because we still have Democrats--that's why.

Just recently Harry Weed stopped the Kate's law bill from going to the floor. The bill states that any deported felon that comes back to the country will end up spending five years in prison.

If we really want to get rid of illegals, we have to get rid of Democrats first.

 

[imawhosure]

We already deport 400,000 a year. The only reason we don't deport more is because congress has not allocated more resources. So close the border and deport 800,000 the first year, 1,200,000 the second year, and so on until they are all gone.

We could save a lot of time and money with one simple law: anybody caught here illegally is subject to a five year minimum prison sentence no matter who you are. You won't need a fence because foreigners would be a afraid to come in. You won't need busses to haul them out because they will be jumping fences to get the hell out.

We could save tens of millions of dollars by getting these people to self-deport and not only solve this problem now, but in the future as well.

You have until January 1st to be out of the country. And if I don't see you by then, Happy Thanksgiving and Merry Christmas, now get the hell out of my country.

While logical, it is not very political expedient,lol; but I do understand where you are coming from.

Many of us Americans from all walks of life, have been "pushed" by media and posters, to believe we are in the minority. We have now discovered, we are in the vast MAJORITY!

For us who reside on the right of center, this is nothing new for us. It has been going on for years, so that even when we won, we lost.

But for those of you who reside left of center, this must be a new experience for you, lol. Being told eventhough you/us are in the majority, basically screw you! You must understand that it is not only YOUR party, it is the establishment REPUBLICANS too! They do not care if you want to have the law followed, want access to a job that is illegally held by someone else, or that your wages are being pushed down. Isn't it hysterically funny that the far left, and the establishment republicans are working together, to SCREW American workers! Who would have EVER thought that?!?!?!?!?! They kiss each other, while lambasting the people trying to save YOUR jobs, increase your pay, or give you MORE opportunity.

We all have to admit, it is fascinating to see, that the liberal left hates to give power to establishment republicans, and vice-versa; but both would rather transfer power to each other, than allow power to be transferred out of Washington. Now you know why Bush/Kasich is on the ropes, and after they are gone, Rubio will follow!

 

[Siete]

anything short of enforcing the laws on the books is creating a bigger Government and increasing spending ....

so damn much for all the loudmouth RW smaller government / cut spending hypocrites... they're perfectly willing to grow and spend as long as it meets one of their long time pet projects.

 

[LoneLaugher]

If you want to know how to deport illegal immigrants, don't ask Ike. Ask Obama. He's deported more than Ike by far. True story.

 

[The Rabbi]

If we spent billions of dollars we could probably deport most of the illegals here. But they wont stay deported and we have an influx of illegals every year. Its the equivalent of bailing out a ship with a teaspoon.
Most of the proposals would turn the US into a fascist state. Why people think draconian restrictions on illegals wouldnt somehow affect law abiding citizens is beyond me.

 

[LoneLaugher]

If we spent billions of dollars we could probably deport most of the illegals here. But they wont stay deported and we have an influx of illegals every year. Its the equivalent of bailing out a ship with a teaspoon.
Most of the proposals would turn the US into a fascist state. Why people think draconian restrictions on illegals wouldnt somehow affect law abiding citizens is beyond me.

Whoa! You are approaching lucid thoughts. Now...if you'd address the economic catastrophe that would result from deporting all illegal immigrants....you and I could have a real moment.