John Kerry: Unfit for Service

[daveman]

He has Medal Envy.

I came out with a nice ribbon rack, one I'm proud of.

Never threw them over a fence, either.

Meanwhile, how many medals did you earn?

Oh, sorry -- didn't mean to highlight the fact that you wouldn't or couldn't serve in uniform. My bad.

On the Internet, anyone could have won medals, not that I doubt that you did, but it is futile to challange anyone as to whether they were awarded any medals. This is why I have never told you about my Congressional Medal of Honor.

There's some backstory here.

Synthia never served. I know he hasn't won any medals. I think it's amusing to point out Synthia's lack of service when he starts speaking authoritatively on military matters.

 

[Claudette]

Oh come on. Does anyone think Kerry is gonna give up his life of leisure to be Sec of anything??

This guy has it made. His wife is a multi millionairess and he shows up in Congress when he has to.

Get real. He wouldn't take that position if they offered it on a silver platter. Good God. LOL

 

[Harry Dresden]

My wife's uncle was a Captain in the Navy and was the officer above Kerry!s commanding officer. He knows what went on I Vietnam with Kerry and said that the swift boaters were full of shit. This is a man so institutionalised from the military that he would not know how to lie, and if you knew him, you would believe him. This man voted for Bysh in 2000, but Kerry in 2004.

yea....well my Cousins Wifes Uncle was the guy who......come on Nukes.....anybody can say anything here....

Yes, I am very aware of this, but, since I know that my story is true, this does not matter to me.

and yet in your previous post you said.....

On the Internet, anyone could have won medals, not that I doubt that you did, but it is futile to challange anyone as to whether they were awarded any medals. This is why I have never told you about my Congressional Medal of Honor.

......

 

[Sallow]

Kerry as SecDef would be a slap in the face to all the military, but most especially to Vietnam veterans, whom Kerry knowingly lied about in testimony to Congress.

WinterSoldier.com - Newly Discovered Army Reports Discredit "Winter Soldier" Claims

From March 13-16, 2008, members of the antiwar group Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) will gather in Washington, DC to "testify" against the US military at a protest event called Winter Soldier: Iraq & Afghanistan. The name "Winter Soldier" is taken from the infamous 1971 event at which members of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) related gruesome stories of crimes they claimed to have participated in or witnessed. The VVAW insisted that rape, torture and murder were standard practices for the US military in Vietnam. Organizers of the new IVAW tribunal, which is supported by several former VVAW leaders, say the 1971 conference was where "a courageous group of veterans exposed the criminal nature of the Vietnam War." In reality, it was part of a sophisticated, vicious propaganda effort designed to poison public opinion against the US military. Newly discovered records now reveal what happened when Army investigators asked VVAW activists for evidence of the hundreds of crimes they claimed to have seen.

In our book, To Set The Record Straight: How Swift Boat Veterans, POWs and the New Media Defeated John Kerry, Tim Ziegler and I trace the course of the anti-US war crimes propaganda campaign, which began in Europe with KGB-sponsored events that were organized before the first US ground troops ever arrived in Vietnam. In 1969, leaders of those conferences helped American radicals form the "Citizens Commission of Inquiry into US War Crimes in Indochina" (CCI), which set up a series of so-called investigations where US military actions in Vietnam were compared to those of Nazi Germany during World War II. The CCI soon joined forces with the VVAW, another leftist group created with financing and assistance from members of the Communist Party, USA, the Socialist Workers Party and the communist front Veterans for Peace.

The VVAW's Winter Soldier Investigation (WSI) took place in Detroit from Jan. 31 through Feb. 2, 1971. Financed primarily by pro-Hanoi actress Jane Fonda, the event's honorary national coordinator, WSI was the largest war crimes tribunal held in the US during the Vietnam War. Several of the discussion panel moderators were radical leaders who had previously met with top North Vietnamese and Vietcong representatives in Hanoi and Paris. Also present were leftist psychiatrists, psychoanalysts and clinicians, who pressured the witnesses to help end the war by publicly confessing their "crimes." Former VVAW member Steve Pitkin later recalled how the civilians went from man to man, "bombarding them; laying on the guilt." Pitkin signed an affidavit in 2004 charging that John Kerry and other VVAW leaders had coerced him into making a false statement.

WSI was the source of the allegations John Kerry presented to the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations in April 1971, at a hearing set up by antiwar Senators to showcase the VVAW's atrocity tales. The highly publicized appearance launched Kerry's political career and helped to create a lasting image of Vietnam veterans as drugged-out murderers too damaged to function in normal society. Justice was served in 2004 when a political movement led by some of the veterans John Kerry had defamed sank his presidential bid.

Investigating the winter soldiers

In 2005, I visited the National Archives at College Park, Maryland with Vietnam veteran and researcher John Boyle. Sifting through the limited material available, we found summary data for the WSI allegations the Army had investigated. The Army's Criminal Investigative Division (CID) had opened cases for 43 WSI "witnesses" whose claims, if true, would qualify as crimes. An additional 25 Army WSI participants had criticized the military in general terms, without sufficient substance to warrant any investigation.

The 43 WSI CID cases were eventually resolved as follows: 25 WSI participants refused to cooperate, 13 provided information but failed to support the allegations, and five could not be located. No criminal charges were filed as a result of any of the investigations. The individual CID case files, which had been available to the public beginning in 1994, were withdrawn from public access around 2003, when the National Archives realized that the documents should have been embargoed until the personal information they contained could be removed, or "redacted," as required by the Privacy Act of 1974.

Early in 2007, Boyle learned that a historian had copied the entire collection of CID war crime investigation summaries at the National Archives, including those involving the VVAW, while they were still publicly available. The historian permitted Boyle to photocopy these documents, which we have now posted at WinterSoldier.com:

Army CID Investigations of VVAW War Crimes Allegations

​

Some of you may object by saying that the military would whitewash any wrongdoing.

Not so.

The military had a very good reason to be thorough: Public relations. They would not want to give the impression that atrocities were officially sanctioned.

The Communist stooges on the left, however, had national attention, and used it. Of course, they had to resort to lies, but they have no compunction against lying.

The Winter Soldiers lied. Kerry lied.

This is undeniable.

Kerry didn't lie at all.

Vietnam and Iraq are huge black marks on America's reputation.

Both are disgusting and despictable war crimes involving the deaths of millions of innocent people.

 

[Sallow]

kerry is not only unfit to serve, he is unfit to be a US citizen.

Who gets to make that decision?

Kerry is a bonafide American War hero.

It's absolutely disgusting that conservatives disgrace the honor of our warriors because they don't agree with them.

Kerry isn't alone in what conservatives do to troops they don't like.

 

[NoNukes]

Ummm...that's not proof.

Really.

Did you think it was?

It certainly is to me. I probably know the truth from someone who was there and knows what happened. Can you say the same? You only have speculation on what you want to be the truth.

Was he there at the Winter Soldier testimony? Was he there when Kerry illegally met with people from Hanoi in Paris?

In case you haven't noticed, those are the two issues I've been discussing -- not Kerry's service during his abbreviated second tour in Vietnam. So what your brother's uncle's cousin's wife's sister's dog saw is utterly immaterial.

Understand now?

We were also talking about the swift boaters. Try to keep up.

 

[NoNukes]

yea....well my Cousins Wifes Uncle was the guy who......come on Nukes.....anybody can say anything here....

Yes, I am very aware of this, but, since I know that my story is true, this does not matter to me.

and yet in your previous post you said.....

On the Internet, anyone could have won medals, not that I doubt that you did, but it is futile to challange anyone as to whether they were awarded any medals. This is why I have never told you about my Congressional Medal of Honor.

......

Yes, but I was putting out some information that I had, not challenging anyone.

 

[DiamondDave]

Senator John Kerry is a great American patriot who had the balls to criticize U.S. atrocities in Vietnam.

And who should have been shot in a firing squad for what he pulled in France

 

[Synthaholic]

Shitting on your own military when you're CiC has consequences, too.

What would those be, for sake of argument.

Tell us.

 

[Synthaholic]

Kerry as SecDef would be a slap in the face to all the military, but most especially to Vietnam veterans, whom Kerry knowingly lied about in testimony to Congress.

WinterSoldier.com - Newly Discovered Army Reports Discredit "Winter Soldier" Claims

From March 13-16, 2008, members of the antiwar group Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) will gather in Washington, DC to "testify" against the US military at a protest event called Winter Soldier: Iraq & Afghanistan. The name "Winter Soldier" is taken from the infamous 1971 event at which members of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) related gruesome stories of crimes they claimed to have participated in or witnessed. The VVAW insisted that rape, torture and murder were standard practices for the US military in Vietnam. Organizers of the new IVAW tribunal, which is supported by several former VVAW leaders, say the 1971 conference was where "a courageous group of veterans exposed the criminal nature of the Vietnam War." In reality, it was part of a sophisticated, vicious propaganda effort designed to poison public opinion against the US military. Newly discovered records now reveal what happened when Army investigators asked VVAW activists for evidence of the hundreds of crimes they claimed to have seen.

In our book, To Set The Record Straight: How Swift Boat Veterans, POWs and the New Media Defeated John Kerry, Tim Ziegler and I trace the course of the anti-US war crimes propaganda campaign, which began in Europe with KGB-sponsored events that were organized before the first US ground troops ever arrived in Vietnam. In 1969, leaders of those conferences helped American radicals form the "Citizens Commission of Inquiry into US War Crimes in Indochina" (CCI), which set up a series of so-called investigations where US military actions in Vietnam were compared to those of Nazi Germany during World War II. The CCI soon joined forces with the VVAW, another leftist group created with financing and assistance from members of the Communist Party, USA, the Socialist Workers Party and the communist front Veterans for Peace.

The VVAW's Winter Soldier Investigation (WSI) took place in Detroit from Jan. 31 through Feb. 2, 1971. Financed primarily by pro-Hanoi actress Jane Fonda, the event's honorary national coordinator, WSI was the largest war crimes tribunal held in the US during the Vietnam War. Several of the discussion panel moderators were radical leaders who had previously met with top North Vietnamese and Vietcong representatives in Hanoi and Paris. Also present were leftist psychiatrists, psychoanalysts and clinicians, who pressured the witnesses to help end the war by publicly confessing their "crimes." Former VVAW member Steve Pitkin later recalled how the civilians went from man to man, "bombarding them; laying on the guilt." Pitkin signed an affidavit in 2004 charging that John Kerry and other VVAW leaders had coerced him into making a false statement.

WSI was the source of the allegations John Kerry presented to the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations in April 1971, at a hearing set up by antiwar Senators to showcase the VVAW's atrocity tales. The highly publicized appearance launched Kerry's political career and helped to create a lasting image of Vietnam veterans as drugged-out murderers too damaged to function in normal society. Justice was served in 2004 when a political movement led by some of the veterans John Kerry had defamed sank his presidential bid.

Investigating the winter soldiers

In 2005, I visited the National Archives at College Park, Maryland with Vietnam veteran and researcher John Boyle. Sifting through the limited material available, we found summary data for the WSI allegations the Army had investigated. The Army's Criminal Investigative Division (CID) had opened cases for 43 WSI "witnesses" whose claims, if true, would qualify as crimes. An additional 25 Army WSI participants had criticized the military in general terms, without sufficient substance to warrant any investigation.

The 43 WSI CID cases were eventually resolved as follows: 25 WSI participants refused to cooperate, 13 provided information but failed to support the allegations, and five could not be located. No criminal charges were filed as a result of any of the investigations. The individual CID case files, which had been available to the public beginning in 1994, were withdrawn from public access around 2003, when the National Archives realized that the documents should have been embargoed until the personal information they contained could be removed, or "redacted," as required by the Privacy Act of 1974.

Early in 2007, Boyle learned that a historian had copied the entire collection of CID war crime investigation summaries at the National Archives, including those involving the VVAW, while they were still publicly available. The historian permitted Boyle to photocopy these documents, which we have now posted at WinterSoldier.com:

Army CID Investigations of VVAW War Crimes Allegations

​

Some of you may object by saying that the military would whitewash any wrongdoing.

Not so.

The military had a very good reason to be thorough: Public relations. They would not want to give the impression that atrocities were officially sanctioned.

The Communist stooges on the left, however, had national attention, and used it. Of course, they had to resort to lies, but they have no compunction against lying.

The Winter Soldiers lied. Kerry lied.

This is undeniable.

Kerry didn't lie at all.

Vietnam and Iraq are huge black marks on America's reputation.

Both are disgusting and despictable war crimes involving the deaths of millions of innocent people.

And Allen West is one of those war criminals.

 

[Synthaholic]

kerry is not only unfit to serve, he is unfit to be a US citizen.

Who gets to make that decision?

Kerry is a bonafide American War hero.

It's absolutely disgusting that conservatives disgrace the honor of our warriors because they don't agree with them.

Kerry isn't alone in what conservatives do to troops they don't like.

Wingnuts hate the military when that military member is a Democrat. There's plenty of evidence of this.

Wesley Clark
Eric Shinseki
Adm. Mullen
John Kerry
Tammy Duckworth
Max Cleland
Joe Sestak

 

[DiamondDave]

No.. Just when they do things like unlawfully negotiate with the enemy.. try and attack Russian troops while on a peace keeping mission.. etc... Has nothing to do with them eventually going to whatever political party after these atrocious actions

 

[9thIDdoc]

Kerry didn't lie at all.

kerry's lies are well documented as such. Truth is truth no matter how you try to deny it.

Vietnam and Iraq are huge black marks on America's reputation.

Wrong. Only idiots and assholes think so.


Both are disgusting and despictable war crimes involving the deaths of millions of innocent people.

You are obviously clueless concerning war crimes but in both places vastly more were commited against US troops than by them.

Who gets to make that decision?

Everone is entitled to an opinion

Kerry is a bonafide American War hero.

Not even close. kerry is a bonafide traitor and coward during time of war. He dishonored himself, the US Navy, the USA, and a host of honorable men including some real-deal heroes.
A real hero does not use his status as an officer and VIP to obtain medels he has not earned and does not deserve, or to get special teatment
A real hero does not request and assume command and then abandon his crew when he realizes there might be some actual danger involved with the job.
A real hero does not act as a propaganda mouthpiece for an enemy during time of war nor does he provide aid an comfort to that enemy.

It's absolutely disgusting that conservatives disgrace the honor of our warriors because they don't agree with them.

But you have no problem with kerry doing so on a massive scale. Pathetic.

 

[NoNukes]

Kerry didn't lie at all.

kerry's lies are well documented as such. Truth is truth no matter how you try to deny it.

Vietnam and Iraq are huge black marks on America's reputation.

Wrong. Only idiots and assholes think so.


Both are disgusting and despictable war crimes involving the deaths of millions of innocent people.

You are obviously clueless concerning war crimes but in both places vastly more were commited against US troops than by them.

Who gets to make that decision?

Everone is entitled to an opinion

Kerry is a bonafide American War hero.

Not even close. kerry is a bonafide traitor and coward during time of war. He dishonored himself, the US Navy, the USA, and a host of honorable men including some real-deal heroes.
A real hero does not use his status as an officer and VIP to obtain medels he has not earned and does not deserve, or to get special teatment
A real hero does not request and assume command and then abandon his crew when he realizes there might be some actual danger involved with the job.
A real hero does not act as a propaganda mouthpiece for an enemy during time of war nor does he provide aid an comfort to that enemy.

It's absolutely disgusting that conservatives disgrace the honor of our warriors because they don't agree with them.

But you have no problem with kerry doing so on a massive scale. Pathetic.

You are brainwashed and clueless.

 

[9thIDdoc]

Kerry didn't lie at all.

kerry's lies are well documented as such. Truth is truth no matter how you try to deny it.

Vietnam and Iraq are huge black marks on America's reputation.

Wrong. Only idiots and assholes think so.


Both are disgusting and despictable war crimes involving the deaths of millions of innocent people.

You are obviously clueless concerning war crimes but in both places vastly more were commited against US troops than by them.

Who gets to make that decision?

Everone is entitled to an opinion

Kerry is a bonafide American War hero.

Not even close. kerry is a bonafide traitor and coward during time of war. He dishonored himself, the US Navy, the USA, and a host of honorable men including some real-deal heroes.
A real hero does not use his status as an officer and VIP to obtain medels he has not earned and does not deserve, or to get special teatment
A real hero does not request and assume command and then abandon his crew when he realizes there might be some actual danger involved with the job.
A real hero does not act as a propaganda mouthpiece for an enemy during time of war nor does he provide aid an comfort to that enemy.

It's absolutely disgusting that conservatives disgrace the honor of our warriors because they don't agree with them.

But you have no problem with kerry doing so on a massive scale. Pathetic.

You are brainwashed and clueless.

Nowhere near as much as you

 

[NoNukes]

Kerry didn't lie at all.

kerry's lies are well documented as such. Truth is truth no matter how you try to deny it.

Vietnam and Iraq are huge black marks on America's reputation.

Wrong. Only idiots and assholes think so.


Both are disgusting and despictable war crimes involving the deaths of millions of innocent people.

You are obviously clueless concerning war crimes but in both places vastly more were commited against US troops than by them.

Who gets to make that decision?

Everone is entitled to an opinion

Kerry is a bonafide American War hero.

Not even close. kerry is a bonafide traitor and coward during time of war. He dishonored himself, the US Navy, the USA, and a host of honorable men including some real-deal heroes.
A real hero does not use his status as an officer and VIP to obtain medels he has not earned and does not deserve, or to get special teatment
A real hero does not request and assume command and then abandon his crew when he realizes there might be some actual danger involved with the job.
A real hero does not act as a propaganda mouthpiece for an enemy during time of war nor does he provide aid an comfort to that enemy.

It's absolutely disgusting that conservatives disgrace the honor of our warriors because they don't agree with them.

But you have no problem with kerry doing so on a massive scale. Pathetic.

You are brainwashed and clueless.

Nowhere near as much as you

Childish answer, not steeped in reality at all.

 

[shintao]

Kerry as SecDef would be a slap in the face to all the military, but most especially to Vietnam veterans, whom Kerry knowingly lied about in testimony to Congress.

Hmm, So when Bush brought back the pardoned Iran Contra felons of his daddys era, that was a slap in the face?

 

[Unkotare]

Elections have consequences, and the GOP fucked up by not listening to sensible people that told them Romney was a horrible pick.

It didn't take you far-left shills long to drop the 'we just wanted compromise!' *weeping* act and return to 'shut up and get in the back of the bus!' mode. I wonder if obama will find an excuse to wag his finger at Senator McCain and call him "John" in front of the cameras again?

 

[Politico]

All I know is he called me stupid and irresponsivblle.

 

[whitehall]

Kerry's self recommended Purple Heart awards are bogus and an embarasment to real Veterans. He threw a grenade into a pile of rice that was intended for the enemy and shrapnel or rice grains ended up in his butt. He put himself in for a Purple Heart. On another occasion he ended up with a splinter in his finger which did not require even a band aid and he put himself in for a Purple Heart. You have to understand that he was the commanding officer and his reports were rubber stamped. He put himself in for a Silver Star for chasing an unarmed teenager who had fired a RPG at the boat and shooting him in the back. Nobody is interested in researching the justification for every medal ever awarded during the VietNam conflict but when a politician uses his service as a political tool it is reasonable and logical to question his awards.