Judge Halts Wyoming Abortion Ban Days After It Took Effect

[Blues Man]

The ones that no one could dispute. Severe chromosomal abnormalities that make it impossible for the fetus to survive and / or situations that threaten the life of the mother.

And as I said those types of genetic abnormalities are detectable well before viability why would anyone wait until the 9th month to screen for them?

After fetal viability the removal by caesarean section or induced labor seems to me to be no more risky than an abortion as any way of removing a fetus at such a late term would be invasive.

If the life of the mother was in jeopardy the same applies. The fetus is going to have to be removed by some invasive procedure so is an abortion at that moment any safer than a C section?

In these situations if a family member has to decide which life to give priority they can do that as well but why does that have to mean that an attempt cannot be made to save both?

 

[Stann]

And as I said those types of genetic abnormalities are detectable well before viability why would anyone wait until the 9th month to screen for them?

After fetal viability the removal by caesarean section or induced labor seems to me to be no more risky than an abortion as any way of removing a fetus at such a late term would be invasive.

If the life of the mother was in jeopardy the same applies. The fetus is going to have to be removed by some invasive procedure so is an abortion at that moment any safer than a C section?

In these situations if a family member has to decide which life to give priority they can do that as well but why does that have to mean that an attempt cannot be made to save both?

The 30 week checkup often reveals many of these problems. And yes that's why abortions occur up to week 37. Once discovered,decisions have to be made and if an abortion is necessary it has to be scheduled. Everything takes time. Fortunately most abortions occur early as you already stated.

 

[Stann]

And as I said those types of genetic abnormalities are detectable well before viability why would anyone wait until the 9th month to screen for them?

After fetal viability the removal by caesarean section or induced labor seems to me to be no more risky than an abortion as any way of removing a fetus at such a late term would be invasive.

If the life of the mother was in jeopardy the same applies. The fetus is going to have to be removed by some invasive procedure so is an abortion at that moment any safer than a C section?

In these situations if a family member has to decide which life to give priority they can do that as well but why does that have to mean that an attempt cannot be made to save both?

I don't know if they still do it, but in case the mother's health is really bad, they used to use crusher forceps to remove the fetus vaginally, especially on the cases involving hydrocephalics. It's better and safer for the woman than a C-section.

 

[Blues Man]

The 30 week checkup often reveals many of these problems. And yes that's why abortions occur up to week 37. Once discovered,decisions have to be made and if an abortion is necessary it has to be scheduled. Everything takes time. Fortunately most abortions occur early as you already stated.

Genetic abnormalities can be screened for well in advance of 30 weeks.

The fact that abortion at 30 weeks is almost nonexistent seems to indicate that most people do know these things well before that time.

you are using the exception as the rule. I think all abortion laws need to have the exception that if the life of the mother is in actual jeopardy then her life takes precedence. But if both lives are in equal jeopardy why not attempt to save both?

 

[Blues Man]

I don't know if they still do it, but in case the mother's health is really bad, they used to use crusher forceps to remove the fetus vaginally, especially on the cases involving hydrocephalics. It's better and safer for the woman than a C-section.

It's still invasive and they still have to induce labor.

And again these are the exception to the rule.

Do you really believe that a perfectly healthy woman with a perfectly healthy 30 week old fetus should be able to have an elective abortion? Should doctors be force to do these elective late term abortions?

 

[Stann]

Genetic abnormalities can be screened for well in advance of 30 weeks.

The fact that abortion at 30 weeks is almost nonexistent seems to indicate that most people do know these things well before that time.

you are using the exception as the rule. I think all abortion laws need to have the exception that if the life of the mother is in actual jeopardy then her life takes precedence. But if both lives are in equal jeopardy why not attempt to save both?

I believe we should allow those decisions up to the physician

 

[Blues Man]

I believe we should allow those decisions up to the physician

Or the mother. Or the husband or family.

 

[Stann]

It's still invasive and they still have to induce labor.

And again these are the exception to the rule.

Do you really believe that a perfectly healthy woman with a perfectly healthy 30 week old fetus should have an elective abortion?

That decision should always rest between her and her physician. It doesn't matter what you or I think / believe about it. It is not our situiation.

 

[Stann]

Or the mother. Or the husband or family.

All of the above.That doesn't include you or I, or the goverment or the courts
None of us belong there

 

[Blues Man]

That decision should always rest between her and her physician. It doesn't matter what you or I think / believe about it. It is not our situiation.

This is where I disagree.

It's not an unreasonable compromise to put a limit on elective abortion after fetal viability.

 

[Blues Man]

All of the above.That doesn't include you or I, or the goverment or the courts
None of us belong there

All it takes is a law defining a viable fetus as a person.

It is not an unreasonable compromise.

 

[Stann]

Genetic abnormalities can be screened for well in advance of 30 weeks.

The fact that abortion at 30 weeks is almost nonexistent seems to indicate that most people do know these things well before that time.

you are using the exception as the rule. I think all abortion laws need to have the exception that if the life of the mother is in actual jeopardy then her life takes precedence. But if both lives are in equal jeopardy why not attempt to save both?

Like you said no woman who needs an abortion is going to wait that long. So all of these cases are exceptions to the rule. Got to run. Later.

 

[CarsomyrPlusSix]

no woman needs an abortion

Finally you said something correct

 

[CarsomyrPlusSix]

Ann Richards called and said to stop making her roll over in her grave.

Vile old **** - her monstrous mass murdering daughter should join her under the dirt and they can spin together.

 

[Stann]

This is where I disagree.

It's not an unreasonable compromise to put a limit on elective abortion after fetal viability.

Elective ? At that point, the very few that occur are not elective.

 

[Stann]

Finally you said something correct

As always, you take something out of context to try to make your case
Once and for all, It's not about you !

 

[Stann]

Vile old **** - her monstrous mass murdering daughter should join her under the dirt and they can spin together.

Is their anyone, other than fetuses, that you don't have contempt for.

 

[Stann]

All it takes is a law defining a viable fetus as a person.

It is not an unreasonable compromise.

Thanks, but no thanks. Once we go down that road there will be no end to outside interference on a totally personal decision.

 

[GMCGeneral]

Thanks, but no thanks. Once we go down that road there will be no end to outside interference on a totally personal decision.

So let's just take it all the way and repeal all criminal law.

 

[Stann]

So let's just take it all the way and repeal all criminal law.

The fact that you lump abortion in with
Criminal acts is very offensive. You nor any entity do not have the right to control other people. Abortion laws are a most egregious over reach of government.