Just a clump of cells

[PaintMyHouse]

Look at all the psycho prog dudes line up to tell us all the reasons babies should be killed..while referring to women who become pregnant *sluts*....

Obviously, abortion is about helping women.

They want abortion to avoid being responsible

Like this, sluts.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

It doesn't matter if one considers a fetus a clump of cells or a viable human infant as of yet to be birthed.

How do you rationally or ethically enforce laws the subjugate a woman's right to control her body? Abortion will happen either legally and as safely as medical practices can make it, or illegally and unsafely. Do you suggest that we strap women into beds in facilities if they maybe harbor thoughts of abortion? Put women in jail for aborting or attempting to abort? Jailing abortion doctors? It ain't gonna happen. A fertus doesn't have any legal rights and voters even in the most conservative states haven't supported measures to extend rights to the unborn.

The SCOTUS ruled on this issue 41 years ago. The fight is over. Don't like abortion? Don't get one.

Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973), is a landmark decision by the United States Supreme Court on the issue of abortion. Decided simultaneously with a companion case, Doe v. Bolton, the Court ruled 7–2 that a right to privacy under the due process clause of the 14th Amendment extended to a woman's decision to have an abortion, but that this right must be balanced against the state's two legitimate interests in regulating abortions: protecting prenatal life and protecting women's health. Arguing that these state interests became stronger over the course of a pregnancy, the Court resolved this balancing test by tying state regulation of abortion to the third trimester of pregnancy.

The Court later rejected Roe 's trimester framework, while affirming Roe 's central holding that a person has a right to abortion until viability.[1] The Roedecision defined "viable" as being "potentially able to live outside the mother's womb, albeit with artificial aid", adding that viability "is usually placed at about seven months (28 weeks) but may occur earlier, even at 24 weeks."[2]

Roe v. Wade - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

There is NO doubt they would do all of that and more but, as we've seen so often, their beliefs do not include the welfare of actual children.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Look at all the psycho prog dudes line up to tell us all the reasons babies should be killed..while referring to women who become pregnant *sluts*....

Obviously, abortion is about helping women.

They want abortion to avoid being responsible

Like this, sluts.

Use that word once more and off to ignore you go, idiot

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Look at all the psycho prog dudes line up to tell us all the reasons babies should be killed..while referring to women who become pregnant *sluts*....

Obviously, abortion is about helping women.

They want abortion to avoid being responsible

Like this, sluts.

Use that word once more and off to ignore you go, idiot

That what you are saying, even if you don't use the word. Grow a little spine eh?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Look at all the psycho prog dudes line up to tell us all the reasons babies should be killed..while referring to women who become pregnant *sluts*....

Obviously, abortion is about helping women.

They want abortion to avoid being responsible

Like this, sluts.

Use that word once more and off to ignore you go, idiot

That what you are saying, even if you don't use the word. Grow a little spine eh?

Like I said, use it and you're ignored. I could care less about you or you filth. Typical leftist, perverted, crass and disgusting

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Look at all the psycho prog dudes line up to tell us all the reasons babies should be killed..while referring to women who become pregnant *sluts*....

Obviously, abortion is about helping women.

They want abortion to avoid being responsible

Like this, sluts.

Use that word once more and off to ignore you go, idiot

That what you are saying, even if you don't use the word. Grow a little spine eh?

Like I said, use it and you're ignored. I could care less about you or you filth. Typical leftist, perverted, crass and disgusting

News for you, I don't care whether you care either way. The Ignore button is for children sticking their fingers in their ears.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

They want abortion to avoid being responsible

Like this, sluts.

Use that word once more and off to ignore you go, idiot

That what you are saying, even if you don't use the word. Grow a little spine eh?

Like I said, use it and you're ignored. I could care less about you or you filth. Typical leftist, perverted, crass and disgusting

News for you, I don't care whether you care either way. The Ignore button is for children sticking their fingers in their ears.

You heard me. Now run along

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Like this, sluts.

Use that word once more and off to ignore you go, idiot

That what you are saying, even if you don't use the word. Grow a little spine eh?

Like I said, use it and you're ignored. I could care less about you or you filth. Typical leftist, perverted, crass and disgusting

News for you, I don't care whether you care either way. The Ignore button is for children sticking their fingers in their ears.

You heard me. Now run along

Sweetcheeks, you aren't a Mod so stop pretending to be one.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Use that word once more and off to ignore you go, idiot

That what you are saying, even if you don't use the word. Grow a little spine eh?

Like I said, use it and you're ignored. I could care less about you or you filth. Typical leftist, perverted, crass and disgusting

News for you, I don't care whether you care either way. The Ignore button is for children sticking their fingers in their ears.

You heard me. Now run along

Sweetcheeks, you aren't a Mod so stop pretending to be one.

Ignored. Asshole

 

[PaintMyHouse]

That what you are saying, even if you don't use the word. Grow a little spine eh?

Like I said, use it and you're ignored. I could care less about you or you filth. Typical leftist, perverted, crass and disgusting

News for you, I don't care whether you care either way. The Ignore button is for children sticking their fingers in their ears.

You heard me. Now run along

Sweetcheeks, you aren't a Mod so stop pretending to be one.

Ignored. Asshole

Can't say as I care there little pussy. Too bad though, if you had some bails you might learn something.

 

[NYcarbineer]

drivel

Why would you want to force a woman to bear and raise a child she doesn't want and can't afford? That's hardly a way of ensuring the child will have a good life. And yet that's what banning abortions would do.

Countries with sex education in schools, single payer health care and mandated paid maternity leaves have much lower abortion rates than the US and yet Americans steadfastly resist such legislation as impugning their "freedoms".

These same freedom fighters are the ones who would ban a woman's right to choose. Apparently right wingers CAN suck and blow at the same time.

you are a complete snotbrain, I am very pro abortion, but your claim that banning abortions is to discourage women from having sex is just a complete load of old bollocks.

Clearly you have not read the posts of the anti-abortion faction on this board who refer to women who have abortions as selfish uncaring sluts who should have to take responsibility for their actions. And if they don't want to get pregnant they shouldn't have sex.

Having an abortion IS taking responsibility but not to anti-abortionists. That's making an innocent child pay for their promiscuity. They ignore the studies which say that their view of the women who get abortions is false and call these women sluts who need to show some self respect and stop spreading their legs. Then they talk about how much better women behaved before the sexual revolution.

So killing a child is taking responsibility??WTF??? that responsibility???!!!

Is taking an abortion pill 1st degree murder?

As you can tell from the stunned silence in response,

the anti-abortionists don't want abortion to BE murder, they just want the emotional fix they get from calling it murder.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I'm going to be flatly blunt. The pro-Abortion crowd is dead wrong about human biology. A human is a human inside the womb and out. This video is proof of such. This is the unborn child of a French couple who watch in amazement at the vigorous movement of the baby in the womb. To say the child isn't viable while in the womb is wrong, simply put. To say the child is not a real person until after birth is also wrong, this one seems real enough to me.

It's unfortunate that so many in the pro-choice crowd choose to be intellectually dishonest on this topic, trying to equate a non-viable fetus to the level a toaster oven or a small brick in order to reduce it in significance.

Some folks just lie as a first option, not sure why.

And I'm pro choice.

.

I think that is one of the most honest things I've seen someone say on this board.

 

[TemplarKormac]

And they are damaged goods for life I'm sorry to say.

Yes, 26 week old fetuses not only have a low survival rate but have a high likelihood of developing other medical problems. The longer they stay in the womb however.....

Well, that sounded like something a eugenicist would say.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

And they are damaged goods for life I'm sorry to say.

Yes, 26 week old fetuses not only have a low survival rate but have a high likelihood of developing other medical problems. The longer they stay in the womb however.....

Well, that sounded like something a eugenicist would say.

So what's the problem, good breeding is perfectly valid. So is judging quality of life.

 

[TemplarKormac]

We say that life isnt so precious that a woman can't terminate it in its first stage.

We say life is precious at any stage of development. If it becomes absolutely necessary, fine. But why would you?

Many religious women who find themselves pregnant at the wrong time deal with the rational and ethics of it.

Actually, it isn't just religious women. Let me tell you a story (based on actual events):

My grandmother worked at the University of Georgia for 34 years. In that time she got to know the thousands of students who walked through the hallway outside of her office each semester. Some of them were college age women who had recently had an abortion. They personally told her that it would take them years to get over the fact they had to kill their child. Some of them believed they hadn't considered all of the circumstances before doing so. It left them traumatized and mentally scarred.

I guess unless you're in the situation they are in you'll never know.

Actually, I was almost never born. Through the (fortunate) malfeasance of my mother, she lost her birth control pills. I tell you what, I was nearly a victim of abortion. So don't tell me I won't ever know, I was nearly taken by it. Now, imagine those children who didn't have those chain of events occur to them.

 

[TemplarKormac]

The so-called "right to life" crowd is not promoting quality of life. They're promoting existence.

And you promote what? Choice? To end existence? Who are you to define existence? How dare you place a finite value on the life of human beings?

Not only are conservative policies the reason for the high rate of abortion in the US, but they have the unmitigated gall to blame liberals for high abortion rates.

Unless you have proof of this, you have no leg to stand on. And not being an American, you don't have any clue the political processes that occur here. Obamacare for example, had an abortion mandate that forced people to provide contraceptive care to women against their religious beliefs. This was a MANDATE. Now, what government mandates people provide for abortions? A dictatorship, which is as of now is controlled by a Democratic president.

You have the unmitigated gall to place blame period. Your liberal policies are responsible for this lack of respect for life.

 

[TemplarKormac]

To say the child isn't viable while in the womb is wrong, simply put.

Well, you got that right.

Premature Birth and Viability Survival Statistics

Strictly speaking, most doctors define the age of viability as being about 24 weeks of gestation. In many hospitals, 24 weeks is the cutoff point for when doctors will use intensive medical intervention to attempt to save the life of a baby born prematurely. A baby born at 24 weeks would generally require a lot of intervention, potentially including mechanical ventilation and other invasive treatments followed by a lengthy stay in aneonatal intensive care unit (NICU).

I was born 5 months premature. That's 16 weeks smartass. Was I not viable when I was born? I weighed just under 4 pounds. Was I still a fetus when I had long left the womb?

This is hilarious. My very birth completely contradicts general medicinal and gynecological thinking.

 

[TemplarKormac]

It doesn't matter if one considers a fetus a clump of cells or a viable human infant as of yet to be birthed.

How do you rationally or ethically enforce laws the subjugate a woman's right to control her body? Abortion will happen either legally and as safely as medical practices can make it, or illegally and unsafely. Do you suggest that we strap women into beds in facilities if they maybe harbor thoughts of abortion? Put women in jail for aborting or attempting to abort? Jailing abortion doctors? It ain't gonna happen. A fertus doesn't have any legal rights and voters even in the most conservative states haven't supported measures to extend rights to the unborn.

The SCOTUS ruled on this issue 41 years ago. The fight is over. Don't like abortion? Don't get one.

Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973), is a landmark decision by the United States Supreme Court on the issue of abortion. Decided simultaneously with a companion case, Doe v. Bolton, the Court ruled 7–2 that a right to privacy under the due process clause of the 14th Amendment extended to a woman's decision to have an abortion, but that this right must be balanced against the state's two legitimate interests in regulating abortions: protecting prenatal life and protecting women's health. Arguing that these state interests became stronger over the course of a pregnancy, the Court resolved this balancing test by tying state regulation of abortion to the third trimester of pregnancy.

The Court later rejected Roe 's trimester framework, while affirming Roe 's central holding that a person has a right to abortion until viability.[1] The Roedecision defined "viable" as being "potentially able to live outside the mother's womb, albeit with artificial aid", adding that viability "is usually placed at about seven months (28 weeks) but may occur earlier, even at 24 weeks."[2]

Roe v. Wade - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

That ignores the fact that Roe allows for controls to limit abortion in later stages.

Clearly it is not always the mothers choice even if the child has not been born yet. The short answer to your question about the things we can do is yes.

Abortion law is actually rather good these days - late term abortions are largely illegal (and that should be made universal IMHO) yet the woman has the option early in her term.

That's not at issue.

No one contests the authority of the state to limit access at later stages; the issue concerns prohibiting the practice altogether.

Our secular society decided if caught early enough a woman can choose to abort a pregnancy. If they can force you to have a baby how free are you? I'd hate to be forced to carry a baby and birth it if what I really wanted was an abortion.

And how many poor single women who have 5 kids and get pregnant again? You know who's glad their mom didn't take my advice? The single mom of 5 who just won the mega lotto. I'm so happy for her 5 kids.

Aw shoot. Then let me tell you of a woman at my church who had 9 children. Not kidding. You know who is happy she didn't abort at a predeterminate number? The the last 4 children. So, I'm happy for all of them.

 

[boilermaker55]

The right wingers quoting science and scientists is quite laughable.
Let me sum it up in one statement for those who are now using science.
CLIMATE CHANGE!!

Dude. You can't go the science route with these people. They don't give a shit about science. They give a shit about what their ideology and peers say is ethical and taking the position most likely to earn them praise from their peers. You have to appeal to their own values if you want to reach them at all. Anything else is going to provoke a sneering contest at best.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

To say the child isn't viable while in the womb is wrong, simply put.

Well, you got that right.

Premature Birth and Viability Survival Statistics

Strictly speaking, most doctors define the age of viability as being about 24 weeks of gestation. In many hospitals, 24 weeks is the cutoff point for when doctors will use intensive medical intervention to attempt to save the life of a baby born prematurely. A baby born at 24 weeks would generally require a lot of intervention, potentially including mechanical ventilation and other invasive treatments followed by a lengthy stay in aneonatal intensive care unit (NICU).

I was born 5 months premature. That's 16 weeks smartass. Was I not viable when I was born? I weighed just under 4 pounds. Was I still a fetus when I had long left the womb?

That explains both you attitude and your lack of rational thought.