Kamala Harris: "I am NOT a Democratic Socialist"

[22lcidw]

Okay, this will be interesting.

Sen. Kamala Harris: ‘I Am Not a Democratic Socialist’

Whereas GOP lines were drawn between the Trumpsters and Never Trumpsters in 2016, it looks like Democratic candidates may have to clarify where they are on this issue.

It will be fascinating to watch, and hopefully some real definitions of the term will surface as a result of the attention it will be given. For a change.
.

Democratic Socialism isn't a real label. It's total hogwash because socialism isn't democratic anyway. So if she says she isn't one....that doesn't mean she isn't a socialist or even a communist. She's a Crony Capitalist with Communist leanings.

Those who use the term seriously are simply talking about a higher level of government involvement than we have here. So they point to countries like Canada, Germany, Finland and Australia, none of which are remotely in danger of becoming Venezuela, which is the Right's favorite boogeyman.

I don't know why that needs to be so complicated, and it's why I'm hopeful this situation will shed some light on definitions of the term.

I realize the Right will keep pretending the goal is to become Venezuela, but hopefully the rest of the country will gain some clarity here.
.

Actually, I suggest that without U.S support in Canada, especially in terms of jobs, Canada would be Venezuela or damned near close.

The biggest misconception people have about socialism is that they just look at the economic model. Socialism is far more than just an economic model. It's definitely about State power. Handful of leaders controlling the most intimate details of your life. Covert activities against families, in workplaces, in all aspects of your Being.

These people are truly the most evil you will find. They have a thirst for power, at all costs, and they expect to share that power in an ongoing manner moving forward for generations. Their kids will get the good, prestigious State jobs, or private industry positions that they mandate. They will have the networking and unheralded power. You, well, you will the servant in the system. They don't have to be billionaires, they wield power in different ways.

I've met a few of these people and the Good Little Germans who get benefit from helping them. These people are the most insane. They can smile in your face with every intention of destroying you. Many quite happily doing so. They are the born low performer who you scratch your head and ask yourself "how in the hell is this person in this position"?

Americans have little idea what you will encounter in such a system. The type of mechanisms in place to ensure you do not have any individual freedom or Due Process is astounding. I notice a few Americans more aware of the Canadian system for instance, just from reading twitter accounts. We have a strong PR effort, but, as long as nations like the U.S remain Republics, Canada will not be able to expand it's influence as much as we would like.

Canada has benefited from our protection. One of the reasons for a high United States defense budget. A lot of land for not a lot of people. The Monroe Doctrine has kept them safe. Russia could take them over easily. Anyway the resources they save are used on more social programs. they are still a good people.

 

[Olde Europe]

Because, the nation is no more prone to do the hard intellectual work of thoroughly clarifying and defining fiercely fought-over terms than during the heat of a Presidential campaign. Happens every time. Definition of "Great", anyone? Now, that's real clarity, as achieved in 2016.

 

[Mac1958]

Okay, this will be interesting.

Sen. Kamala Harris: ‘I Am Not a Democratic Socialist’

Whereas GOP lines were drawn between the Trumpsters and Never Trumpsters in 2016, it looks like Democratic candidates may have to clarify where they are on this issue.

It will be fascinating to watch, and hopefully some real definitions of the term will surface as a result of the attention it will be given. For a change.
.

Democratic Socialism isn't a real label. It's total hogwash because socialism isn't democratic anyway. So if she says she isn't one....that doesn't mean she isn't a socialist or even a communist. She's a Crony Capitalist with Communist leanings.

Those who use the term seriously are simply talking about a higher level of government involvement than we have here. So they point to countries like Canada, Germany, Finland and Australia, none of which are remotely in danger of becoming Venezuela, which is the Right's favorite boogeyman.

I don't know why that needs to be so complicated, and it's why I'm hopeful this situation will shed some light on definitions of the term.

I realize the Right will keep pretending the goal is to become Venezuela, but hopefully the rest of the country will gain some clarity here.
.

Actually, I suggest that without U.S support in Canada, especially in terms of jobs, Canada would be Venezuela or damned near close.

The biggest misconception people have about socialism is that they just look at the economic model. Socialism is far more than just an economic model. It's definitely about State power. Handful of leaders controlling the most intimate details of your life. Covert activities against families, in workplaces, in all aspects of your Being.

These people are truly the most evil you will find. They have a thirst for power, at all costs, and they expect to share that power in an ongoing manner moving forward for generations. Their kids will get the good, prestigious State jobs, or private industry positions that they mandate. They will have the networking and unheralded power. You, well, you will the servant in the system. They don't have to be billionaires, they wield power in different ways.

I've met a few of these people and the Good Little Germans who get benefit from helping them. These people are the most insane. They can smile in your face with every intention of destroying you. Many quite happily doing so. They are the born low performer who you scratch your head and ask yourself "how in the hell is this person in this position"?

Americans have little idea what you will encounter in such a system. The type of mechanisms in place to ensure you do not have any individual freedom or Due Process is astounding. I notice a few Americans more aware of the Canadian system for instance, just from reading twitter accounts. We have a strong PR effort, but, as long as nations like the U.S remain Republics, Canada will not be able to expand it's influence as much as we would like.

Those are fair points worth debating, but I think that any serious conversation has to begin with agreed-to definitions.

Right now, it's as if everyone is working from a different dictionary.
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Yes, because the socialism/communist model of old isn't as applicable today. Think of China, people say THEY are a mixed economy, and they can argue that fact as they have some partially independent companies there.

Does anyone really think China is anything but a near dictatorship, communist shytehole?

This is how socialism works today across the world. Varying degrees of Chinese Communism. All the summit of power resides in a small number of hands, and their friends, family and associates all benefit at the cost of your liberty and Right to Self Determination.

Anyone notice the suggestion by some to get rid of the words "God" in the oaths you take? Classic socialism, at it's core really, and once again, nothing to do with the economic system. You can be sure, it all ends the same.

From your post: "Varying degrees". That's the key point.

All of this exists along a continuum. The question, the challenge, is finding a point along that continuum with which we can all live.

Since we're currently still stuck in this shallow all-or-nothing paradigm, we're a long way from even having an intelligent conversation on this.
.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Democratic Socialism isn't a real label. It's total hogwash because socialism isn't democratic anyway. So if she says she isn't one....that doesn't mean she isn't a socialist or even a communist. She's a Crony Capitalist with Communist leanings.

Those who use the term seriously are simply talking about a higher level of government involvement than we have here. So they point to countries like Canada, Germany, Finland and Australia, none of which are remotely in danger of becoming Venezuela, which is the Right's favorite boogeyman.

I don't know why that needs to be so complicated, and it's why I'm hopeful this situation will shed some light on definitions of the term.

I realize the Right will keep pretending the goal is to become Venezuela, but hopefully the rest of the country will gain some clarity here.
.

Actually, I suggest that without U.S support in Canada, especially in terms of jobs, Canada would be Venezuela or damned near close.

The biggest misconception people have about socialism is that they just look at the economic model. Socialism is far more than just an economic model. It's definitely about State power. Handful of leaders controlling the most intimate details of your life. Covert activities against families, in workplaces, in all aspects of your Being.

These people are truly the most evil you will find. They have a thirst for power, at all costs, and they expect to share that power in an ongoing manner moving forward for generations. Their kids will get the good, prestigious State jobs, or private industry positions that they mandate. They will have the networking and unheralded power. You, well, you will the servant in the system. They don't have to be billionaires, they wield power in different ways.

I've met a few of these people and the Good Little Germans who get benefit from helping them. These people are the most insane. They can smile in your face with every intention of destroying you. Many quite happily doing so. They are the born low performer who you scratch your head and ask yourself "how in the hell is this person in this position"?

Americans have little idea what you will encounter in such a system. The type of mechanisms in place to ensure you do not have any individual freedom or Due Process is astounding. I notice a few Americans more aware of the Canadian system for instance, just from reading twitter accounts. We have a strong PR effort, but, as long as nations like the U.S remain Republics, Canada will not be able to expand it's influence as much as we would like.

Those are fair points worth debating, but I think that any serious conversation has to begin with agreed-to definitions.

Right now, it's as if everyone is working from a different dictionary.
.

Yes, because the socialism/communist model of old isn't as applicable today. Think of China, people say THEY are a mixed economy, and they can argue that fact as they have some partially independent companies there.

Does anyone really think China is anything but a near dictatorship, communist shytehole?

This is how socialism works today across the world. Varying degrees of Chinese Communism. All the summit of power resides in a small number of hands, and their friends, family and associates all benefit at the cost of your liberty and Right to Self Determination.

Anyone notice the suggestion by some to get rid of the words "God" in the oaths you take? Classic socialism, at it's core really, and once again, nothing to do with the economic system. You can be sure, it all ends the same.

From your post: "Varying degrees". That's the key point.

All of this exists along a continuum. The question, the challenge, is finding a point along that continuum with which we can all live.

Since we're currently still stuck in this shallow all-or-nothing paradigm, we're a long way from even having an intelligent conversation on this.
.

Once you go down that slippery slope, there is no return, there is just Venezuela, or something similar. Think of the Entitlement programs or illegal immigration protections and the Rights they enjoy in some places. Did control of your spending or border improve or become worse over time? Once the cat is out of the bag it just gets worse. Further expansion, further suppression of your Rights and more for your "government". Which eventually becomes by appointment or birth right.

It never gets better without serious leadership that confronts it. Thus, Donald J Trump.

 

[mudwhistle]

Okay, this will be interesting.

Sen. Kamala Harris: ‘I Am Not a Democratic Socialist’

Whereas GOP lines were drawn between the Trumpsters and Never Trumpsters in 2016, it looks like Democratic candidates may have to clarify where they are on this issue.

It will be fascinating to watch, and hopefully some real definitions of the term will surface as a result of the attention it will be given. For a change.
.

while the repubs can't seem to get their shit together overall, they at least are not infighting over who they actually are and represent.

the dems however are eating their own as happens with identity politics.

Many Democrats don't want us to know what they really are. That's why they talk like this.
They're hiding their real agenda from us.

oh i don't think they're hiding it anymore. they're flat out doing it and just saying "no that's what what i'm doing" as they do it anyway.

They're still hiding the worst of it.

 

[iceberg]

Okay, this will be interesting.

Sen. Kamala Harris: ‘I Am Not a Democratic Socialist’

Whereas GOP lines were drawn between the Trumpsters and Never Trumpsters in 2016, it looks like Democratic candidates may have to clarify where they are on this issue.

It will be fascinating to watch, and hopefully some real definitions of the term will surface as a result of the attention it will be given. For a change.
.

while the repubs can't seem to get their shit together overall, they at least are not infighting over who they actually are and represent.

the dems however are eating their own as happens with identity politics.

Many Democrats don't want us to know what they really are. That's why they talk like this.
They're hiding their real agenda from us.

oh i don't think they're hiding it anymore. they're flat out doing it and just saying "no that's what what i'm doing" as they do it anyway.

They're still hiding the worst of it.

given what they show - that's the scary part.

 

[Mac1958]

Those who use the term seriously are simply talking about a higher level of government involvement than we have here. So they point to countries like Canada, Germany, Finland and Australia, none of which are remotely in danger of becoming Venezuela, which is the Right's favorite boogeyman.

I don't know why that needs to be so complicated, and it's why I'm hopeful this situation will shed some light on definitions of the term.

I realize the Right will keep pretending the goal is to become Venezuela, but hopefully the rest of the country will gain some clarity here.
.

Actually, I suggest that without U.S support in Canada, especially in terms of jobs, Canada would be Venezuela or damned near close.

The biggest misconception people have about socialism is that they just look at the economic model. Socialism is far more than just an economic model. It's definitely about State power. Handful of leaders controlling the most intimate details of your life. Covert activities against families, in workplaces, in all aspects of your Being.

These people are truly the most evil you will find. They have a thirst for power, at all costs, and they expect to share that power in an ongoing manner moving forward for generations. Their kids will get the good, prestigious State jobs, or private industry positions that they mandate. They will have the networking and unheralded power. You, well, you will the servant in the system. They don't have to be billionaires, they wield power in different ways.

I've met a few of these people and the Good Little Germans who get benefit from helping them. These people are the most insane. They can smile in your face with every intention of destroying you. Many quite happily doing so. They are the born low performer who you scratch your head and ask yourself "how in the hell is this person in this position"?

Americans have little idea what you will encounter in such a system. The type of mechanisms in place to ensure you do not have any individual freedom or Due Process is astounding. I notice a few Americans more aware of the Canadian system for instance, just from reading twitter accounts. We have a strong PR effort, but, as long as nations like the U.S remain Republics, Canada will not be able to expand it's influence as much as we would like.

Those are fair points worth debating, but I think that any serious conversation has to begin with agreed-to definitions.

Right now, it's as if everyone is working from a different dictionary.
.

Yes, because the socialism/communist model of old isn't as applicable today. Think of China, people say THEY are a mixed economy, and they can argue that fact as they have some partially independent companies there.

Does anyone really think China is anything but a near dictatorship, communist shytehole?

This is how socialism works today across the world. Varying degrees of Chinese Communism. All the summit of power resides in a small number of hands, and their friends, family and associates all benefit at the cost of your liberty and Right to Self Determination.

Anyone notice the suggestion by some to get rid of the words "God" in the oaths you take? Classic socialism, at it's core really, and once again, nothing to do with the economic system. You can be sure, it all ends the same.

From your post: "Varying degrees". That's the key point.

All of this exists along a continuum. The question, the challenge, is finding a point along that continuum with which we can all live.

Since we're currently still stuck in this shallow all-or-nothing paradigm, we're a long way from even having an intelligent conversation on this.
.

Once you go down that slippery slope, there is no return, there is just Venezuela, or something similar. Think of the Entitlement programs or illegal immigration protections and the Rights they enjoy in some places. Did control of your spending or border improve or become worse over time? Once the cat is out of the bag it just gets worse. Further expansion, further suppression of your Rights and more for your "government". Which eventually becomes by appointment or birth right.

It never gets better without serious leadership that confronts it. Thus, Donald J Trump.

As I pointed out earlier, many countries with more government than ours are at zero risk of turning into Venezuela.

It looks like the Right isn't going to give an inch, at least not in its present condition. That's fine, but playing an all-or-nothing game can mean that you walk away with nothing.

I think there is plenty of room along the continuum.
.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Okay, this will be interesting.

Sen. Kamala Harris: ‘I Am Not a Democratic Socialist’

Whereas GOP lines were drawn between the Trumpsters and Never Trumpsters in 2016, it looks like Democratic candidates may have to clarify where they are on this issue.

It will be fascinating to watch, and hopefully some real definitions of the term will surface as a result of the attention it will be given. For a change.
.

while the repubs can't seem to get their shit together overall, they at least are not infighting over who they actually are and represent.

the dems however are eating their own as happens with identity politics.

Many Democrats don't want us to know what they really are. That's why they talk like this.
They're hiding their real agenda from us.

oh i don't think they're hiding it anymore. they're flat out doing it and just saying "no that's what what i'm doing" as they do it anyway.

They're still hiding the worst of it.

Some of them, and certainly their followers, don't even know what the "worse of it" will look like.

That's the irony in all of this.

 

[iceberg]

Okay, this will be interesting.

Sen. Kamala Harris: ‘I Am Not a Democratic Socialist’

Whereas GOP lines were drawn between the Trumpsters and Never Trumpsters in 2016, it looks like Democratic candidates may have to clarify where they are on this issue.

It will be fascinating to watch, and hopefully some real definitions of the term will surface as a result of the attention it will be given. For a change.
.

while the repubs can't seem to get their shit together overall, they at least are not infighting over who they actually are and represent.

the dems however are eating their own as happens with identity politics.

Many Democrats don't want us to know what they really are. That's why they talk like this.
They're hiding their real agenda from us.

oh i don't think they're hiding it anymore. they're flat out doing it and just saying "no that's what what i'm doing" as they do it anyway.

They're still hiding the worst of it.

Some of them, and certainly their followers, don't even know what the "worse of it" will look like.

That's the irony in all of this.

they think the other side will see the widsom of their emotional state of mind and simply fall into world peace and hand over power to them for such a revelation.

then again this is the same side that thought no one would care about who pee'd where and made that a huge social issue.

 

[mudwhistle]

Okay, this will be interesting.

Sen. Kamala Harris: ‘I Am Not a Democratic Socialist’

Whereas GOP lines were drawn between the Trumpsters and Never Trumpsters in 2016, it looks like Democratic candidates may have to clarify where they are on this issue.

It will be fascinating to watch, and hopefully some real definitions of the term will surface as a result of the attention it will be given. For a change.
.

while the repubs can't seem to get their shit together overall, they at least are not infighting over who they actually are and represent.

the dems however are eating their own as happens with identity politics.

Many Democrats don't want us to know what they really are. That's why they talk like this.
They're hiding their real agenda from us.

oh i don't think they're hiding it anymore. they're flat out doing it and just saying "no that's what what i'm doing" as they do it anyway.

They're still hiding the worst of it.

given what they show - that's the scary part.

Bernie Sanders said yesterday that Trump was the biggest threat in US history.....which means that Socialism is the biggest threat. One of their tactics is accuse their opponent of that which they are guilty of.

 

[Olde Europe]

As we can see on here, the definition of "democratic socialism" is: "Only ever gets worse - inevitably ends up being Venezuela". With a possible extension: "Requires Dear Leader to avert."

 

[iceberg]

while the repubs can't seem to get their shit together overall, they at least are not infighting over who they actually are and represent.

the dems however are eating their own as happens with identity politics.

Many Democrats don't want us to know what they really are. That's why they talk like this.
They're hiding their real agenda from us.

oh i don't think they're hiding it anymore. they're flat out doing it and just saying "no that's what what i'm doing" as they do it anyway.

They're still hiding the worst of it.

given what they show - that's the scary part.

Bernie Sanders said yesterday that Trump was the biggest threat in US history.....which means that Socialism is the biggest threat. One of their tactics is accuse their opponent of that which they are guilty of.

the biggest threat in our history is us.

our constant desire to hate the other side and feed that hate at all expenses. we are literally ripping the floor out from under us and don't seem to realize it.

 

[mudwhistle]

Okay, this will be interesting.

Sen. Kamala Harris: ‘I Am Not a Democratic Socialist’

Whereas GOP lines were drawn between the Trumpsters and Never Trumpsters in 2016, it looks like Democratic candidates may have to clarify where they are on this issue.

It will be fascinating to watch, and hopefully some real definitions of the term will surface as a result of the attention it will be given. For a change.
.

while the repubs can't seem to get their shit together overall, they at least are not infighting over who they actually are and represent.

the dems however are eating their own as happens with identity politics.

Many Democrats don't want us to know what they really are. That's why they talk like this.
They're hiding their real agenda from us.

oh i don't think they're hiding it anymore. they're flat out doing it and just saying "no that's what what i'm doing" as they do it anyway.

They're still hiding the worst of it.

Some of them, and certainly their followers, don't even know what the "worse of it" will look like.

That's the irony in all of this.

It's why so many gays were talking heads in the media now.
They can very easily be misled.

 

[mudwhistle]

Many Democrats don't want us to know what they really are. That's why they talk like this.
They're hiding their real agenda from us.

oh i don't think they're hiding it anymore. they're flat out doing it and just saying "no that's what what i'm doing" as they do it anyway.

They're still hiding the worst of it.

given what they show - that's the scary part.

Bernie Sanders said yesterday that Trump was the biggest threat in US history.....which means that Socialism is the biggest threat. One of their tactics is accuse their opponent of that which they are guilty of.

the biggest threat in our history is us.

our constant desire to hate the other side and feed that hate at all expenses. we are literally ripping the floor out from under us and don't seem to realize it.

We aren't doing anything......THEY are.

 

[iceberg]

oh i don't think they're hiding it anymore. they're flat out doing it and just saying "no that's what what i'm doing" as they do it anyway.

They're still hiding the worst of it.

given what they show - that's the scary part.

Bernie Sanders said yesterday that Trump was the biggest threat in US history.....which means that Socialism is the biggest threat. One of their tactics is accuse their opponent of that which they are guilty of.

the biggest threat in our history is us.

our constant desire to hate the other side and feed that hate at all expenses. we are literally ripping the floor out from under us and don't seem to realize it.

We aren't doing anything......THEY are.

exactly my point.

every day i see both sides do what they bitch at the other side for doing and when called upon it, it's either "no i didn't" or "they did it first"; both of which perpetuate the problem.

 

[mudwhistle]

They're still hiding the worst of it.

given what they show - that's the scary part.

Bernie Sanders said yesterday that Trump was the biggest threat in US history.....which means that Socialism is the biggest threat. One of their tactics is accuse their opponent of that which they are guilty of.

the biggest threat in our history is us.

our constant desire to hate the other side and feed that hate at all expenses. we are literally ripping the floor out from under us and don't seem to realize it.

We aren't doing anything......THEY are.

exactly my point.

every day i see both sides do what they bitch at the other side for doing and when called upon it, it's either "no i didn't" or "they did it first"; both of which perpetuate the problem.

Yep.....they attack us...and we tell them they're wrong....so both sides are to blame?

Sorry, not buying it.

 

[Polishprince]

Okay, this will be interesting.

Sen. Kamala Harris: ‘I Am Not a Democratic Socialist’

Whereas GOP lines were drawn between the Trumpsters and Never Trumpsters in 2016, it looks like Democratic candidates may have to clarify where they are on this issue.

It will be fascinating to watch, and hopefully some real definitions of the term will surface as a result of the attention it will be given. For a change.
.

Kamala already endorse the Green New Deal as well as the claims of Jussie Smollett.

She really isn't believable if she says she isn't a socialist.

 

[Mac1958]

Okay, this will be interesting.

Sen. Kamala Harris: ‘I Am Not a Democratic Socialist’

Whereas GOP lines were drawn between the Trumpsters and Never Trumpsters in 2016, it looks like Democratic candidates may have to clarify where they are on this issue.

It will be fascinating to watch, and hopefully some real definitions of the term will surface as a result of the attention it will be given. For a change.
.

Kamala already endorse the Green New Deal as well as the claims of Jussie Smollett.

She really isn't believable if she says she isn't a socialist.

Depends on the meaning of the term.
.

 

[DOTR]

Okay, this will be interesting.

Sen. Kamala Harris: ‘I Am Not a Democratic Socialist’

Whereas GOP lines were drawn between the Trumpsters and Never Trumpsters in 2016, it looks like Democratic candidates may have to clarify where they are on this issue.

It will be fascinating to watch, and hopefully some real definitions of the term will surface as a result of the attention it will be given. For a change.
.

Do you think she needs to define it?

 

[DOTR]

Okay, this will be interesting.

Sen. Kamala Harris: ‘I Am Not a Democratic Socialist’

Whereas GOP lines were drawn between the Trumpsters and Never Trumpsters in 2016, it looks like Democratic candidates may have to clarify where they are on this issue.

It will be fascinating to watch, and hopefully some real definitions of the term will surface as a result of the attention it will be given. For a change.
.

Democratic Socialism isn't a real label. It's total hogwash because socialism isn't democratic anyway. So if she says she isn't one....that doesn't mean she isn't a socialist or even a communist. She's a Crony Capitalist with Communist leanings.

That's a fairly accurate description actually. I often use the term "neo-socialist" of late to describe the new breed of socialist. It's changed, but as Canada proves, it's more devious and disguised than it used to be.

Socialists gain power while denying what they are. It’s the only way.