Kamala Harris Touted a $5B Electric School Bus Program. Three Years Later, It's Produced Just 60 Buses.

[excalibur]

Well, just following Obama's Solyndra et all BS. Plenty of money for kickbacks to Dem pols, though.

This woman is just plain awful. And I'm sure she just the Yellen plan for spending $78,000 billion on AGW.

One of Kamala Harris's highest profile responsibilities as vice president has been spearheading the federal government's billion-dollar efforts to deploy thousands of electric buses across hundreds of school districts nationwide. But years into the program, only a small fraction of those projects have been completed while dozens of school districts have withdrawn from the program altogether.

As part of the first tranche of Clean School Bus program funding two years ago, Harris and EPA administrator Michael Regan unleashed nearly $1 billion in federal rebates for 389 school districts across all 50 states to help deliver a total 2,463 electric school buses. According to federal data reviewed by the Washington Free Beacon, just 27 of those districts have proven to the EPA that their buses were delivered and that their diesel-fueled buses being replaced have been discarded.

Collectively, those districts have deployed a total of 60 battery-electric or low-emissions propane-fueled school buses. And 55 additional districts have pulled out of the program, according to other federal data shared with the Free Beacon, citing a variety of technological and infrastructure concerns. In other words: More school districts have withdrawn from the program than proven that they have completed it.

"EPA anticipates that transitioning to new technology school buses will take time, which is why the project period is two years with an option to extend where needed and justified," said EPA spokeswoman Shayla Powell.

Powell didn't deny that 60 school buses have been deployed as part of the program, but she explained that districts still have three months until the EPA's deadline to either file close-out documentation showing they have obtained the buses and scrapped old buses, or file for an extension. The wide time frame is designed to give districts time to test the new buses out and integrate them into their fleet. Powell didn't say how many total buses may have been deployed in districts that have yet to file close-out materials.

The slow progression of the Clean School Bus program is a blow to the Biden-Harris administration as it seeks to quickly get billions of dollars in green energy and climate funding—earmarked in President Joe Biden's signature 2021 Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act and 2022 Inflation Reduction Act—out the door. It's also a black eye for Harris, who has, in many ways, taken credit for the program, which she characterized earlier this year as an "investment in our children, their health, and their education."

The Clean School Bus program was created nearly three years ago as a provision of the 2021 infrastructure bill, which put aside $5 billion for the EPA to distribute in the form of rebates and grants over the course of five years. Since Harris's initial announcement, the agency has unveiled a $1 billion tranche of grants for 280 school districts and a second tranche of rebates, worth $900 million, for another 530 districts. None of those districts have deployed any buses under the program.

"This only makes economic sense if the bus is paid for with a grant like we received," Jeff Dicks, the superintendent of the Newell-Fonda and Albert City-Truesdale school systems in northern Iowa, told the Free Beacon. "The cost is so prohibitive that the cost savings are not worth it."

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Kamala Harris Touted a $5B Electric School Bus Program. Three Years Later, It's Produced Just 60 Buses.

One of Kamala Harris's highest profile responsibilities as vice president has been spearheading the federal government's billion-dollar efforts to deploy thousands of electric buses across hundreds of school districts nationwide. But years into the program, only a small fraction of those...

freebeacon.com

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Well, just following Obama's Solyndra et all BS. Plenty of money for kickbacks to Dem pols, though.

This woman is just plain awful. And I'm sure she just the Yellen plan for spending $78,000 billion on AGW.

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One of Kamala Harris's highest profile responsibilities as vice president has been spearheading the federal government's billion-dollar efforts to deploy thousands of electric buses across hundreds of school districts nationwide. But years into the program, only a small fraction of those projects have been completed while dozens of school districts have withdrawn from the program altogether.​

​

As part of the first tranche of Clean School Bus program funding two years ago, Harris and EPA administrator Michael Regan unleashed nearly $1 billion in federal rebates for 389 school districts across all 50 states to help deliver a total 2,463 electric school buses. According to federal data reviewed by the Washington Free Beacon, just 27 of those districts have proven to the EPA that their buses were delivered and that their diesel-fueled buses being replaced have been discarded.​

​

Collectively, those districts have deployed a total of 60 battery-electric or low-emissions propane-fueled school buses. And 55 additional districts have pulled out of the program, according to other federal data shared with the Free Beacon, citing a variety of technological and infrastructure concerns. In other words: More school districts have withdrawn from the program than proven that they have completed it.​

​

"EPA anticipates that transitioning to new technology school buses will take time, which is why the project period is two years with an option to extend where needed and justified," said EPA spokeswoman Shayla Powell.​

​

Powell didn't deny that 60 school buses have been deployed as part of the program, but she explained that districts still have three months until the EPA's deadline to either file close-out documentation showing they have obtained the buses and scrapped old buses, or file for an extension. The wide time frame is designed to give districts time to test the new buses out and integrate them into their fleet. Powell didn't say how many total buses may have been deployed in districts that have yet to file close-out materials.​

​

The slow progression of the Clean School Bus program is a blow to the Biden-Harris administration as it seeks to quickly get billions of dollars in green energy and climate funding—earmarked in President Joe Biden's signature 2021 Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act and 2022 Inflation Reduction Act—out the door. It's also a black eye for Harris, who has, in many ways, taken credit for the program, which she characterized earlier this year as an "investment in our children, their health, and their education."​

​

The Clean School Bus program was created nearly three years ago as a provision of the 2021 infrastructure bill, which put aside $5 billion for the EPA to distribute in the form of rebates and grants over the course of five years. Since Harris's initial announcement, the agency has unveiled a $1 billion tranche of grants for 280 school districts and a second tranche of rebates, worth $900 million, for another 530 districts. None of those districts have deployed any buses under the program.​

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"This only makes economic sense if the bus is paid for with a grant like we received," Jeff Dicks, the superintendent of the Newell-Fonda and Albert City-Truesdale school systems in northern Iowa, told the Free Beacon. "The cost is so prohibitive that the cost savings are not worth it."​

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Kamala Harris Touted a $5B Electric School Bus Program. Three Years Later, It's Produced Just 60 Buses.

One of Kamala Harris's highest profile responsibilities as vice president has been spearheading the federal government's billion-dollar efforts to deploy thousands of electric buses across hundreds of school districts nationwide. But years into the program, only a small fraction of those...

freebeacon.com

And??, they allocate the money. They don't build the buses.
As noted, it will take time for the technology to evolve. But it will happen.
Eventually, the cost will be worth it.

 

[DGS49]

The unspoken dark side of this move to have electric school buses is the electrical infrastructure that will be required to charge the damn things every night. The infrastructure will cost much more than the buses.

 

[whitehall]

Schools make sure that fossil fuel busses don't run out of gas but who knows what might happen to a school bus full of kids that runs out of battery life on an interstate or a rural road. Maybe someday there will be a place for alternate energy vehicles but today nobody but Kamila is ready to risk the lives of a bus load of children to make a political statement.

 

[toobfreak]

Kamala Harris Touted a $5B Electric School Bus Program. Three Years Later, It's Produced Just 60 Buses.​

Seems about right. That is only 83 million per bus.

Now you know why Janet Yellen says she needs 3 TRILLION PER YEAR to fight climate change.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/27/yellen-amazon-climate-change-00171522

 

[Concerned American]

Well, just following Obama's Solyndra et all BS. Plenty of money for kickbacks to Dem pols, though.

This woman is just plain awful. And I'm sure she just the Yellen plan for spending $78,000 billion on AGW.

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One of Kamala Harris's highest profile responsibilities as vice president has been spearheading the federal government's billion-dollar efforts to deploy thousands of electric buses across hundreds of school districts nationwide. But years into the program, only a small fraction of those projects have been completed while dozens of school districts have withdrawn from the program altogether.​

​

As part of the first tranche of Clean School Bus program funding two years ago, Harris and EPA administrator Michael Regan unleashed nearly $1 billion in federal rebates for 389 school districts across all 50 states to help deliver a total 2,463 electric school buses. According to federal data reviewed by the Washington Free Beacon, just 27 of those districts have proven to the EPA that their buses were delivered and that their diesel-fueled buses being replaced have been discarded.​

​

Collectively, those districts have deployed a total of 60 battery-electric or low-emissions propane-fueled school buses. And 55 additional districts have pulled out of the program, according to other federal data shared with the Free Beacon, citing a variety of technological and infrastructure concerns. In other words: More school districts have withdrawn from the program than proven that they have completed it.​

​

"EPA anticipates that transitioning to new technology school buses will take time, which is why the project period is two years with an option to extend where needed and justified," said EPA spokeswoman Shayla Powell.​

​

Powell didn't deny that 60 school buses have been deployed as part of the program, but she explained that districts still have three months until the EPA's deadline to either file close-out documentation showing they have obtained the buses and scrapped old buses, or file for an extension. The wide time frame is designed to give districts time to test the new buses out and integrate them into their fleet. Powell didn't say how many total buses may have been deployed in districts that have yet to file close-out materials.​

​

The slow progression of the Clean School Bus program is a blow to the Biden-Harris administration as it seeks to quickly get billions of dollars in green energy and climate funding—earmarked in President Joe Biden's signature 2021 Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act and 2022 Inflation Reduction Act—out the door. It's also a black eye for Harris, who has, in many ways, taken credit for the program, which she characterized earlier this year as an "investment in our children, their health, and their education."​

​

The Clean School Bus program was created nearly three years ago as a provision of the 2021 infrastructure bill, which put aside $5 billion for the EPA to distribute in the form of rebates and grants over the course of five years. Since Harris's initial announcement, the agency has unveiled a $1 billion tranche of grants for 280 school districts and a second tranche of rebates, worth $900 million, for another 530 districts. None of those districts have deployed any buses under the program.​

​

"This only makes economic sense if the bus is paid for with a grant like we received," Jeff Dicks, the superintendent of the Newell-Fonda and Albert City-Truesdale school systems in northern Iowa, told the Free Beacon. "The cost is so prohibitive that the cost savings are not worth it."​

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Kamala Harris Touted a $5B Electric School Bus Program. Three Years Later, It's Produced Just 60 Buses.

One of Kamala Harris's highest profile responsibilities as vice president has been spearheading the federal government's billion-dollar efforts to deploy thousands of electric buses across hundreds of school districts nationwide. But years into the program, only a small fraction of those...

freebeacon.com

WOW. That's ONLY about $415 million per bus. Who does she know in that company?

 

[Slyhunter]

how much per bus? and how much in electricity does it take for a full charge?

 

[toobfreak]

As noted, it will take time for the technology to evolve. But it will happen.

By that reasoning, cave men should have built rockets to the moon with boulders because eventually, the technology would have evolved.

Eventually, the cost will be worth it.

In other words, we just need to keep spending enough even if we can't afford it no matter what the other consequences until it eventually becomes a bargain even if it runs into trillions and collapses human civilization?

Damn, Jack, you are somewhere between boring and incredible.

Like a new species of fungus.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

By that reasoning, cave men should have built rockets to the moon with boulders because eventually, the technology would have evolved.

That has got to be one of the absolute dumbest things I've ever seen you post.

In other words, we just need to keep spending enough even if we can't afford it no matter what the other consequences until it eventually becomes a bargain even if it runs into trillions and collapses human civilization?



Damn, Jack, you are somewhere between boring and incredible.

Like a new species of fungus.

The technology will evolve. Grow more cost effective. And eventually be adopted everywhere.

What is it you fear about that future?

 

[justoffal]

Well, just following Obama's Solyndra et all BS. Plenty of money for kickbacks to Dem pols, though.

This woman is just plain awful. And I'm sure she just the Yellen plan for spending $78,000 billion on AGW.

​

One of Kamala Harris's highest profile responsibilities as vice president has been spearheading the federal government's billion-dollar efforts to deploy thousands of electric buses across hundreds of school districts nationwide. But years into the program, only a small fraction of those projects have been completed while dozens of school districts have withdrawn from the program altogether.​

​

As part of the first tranche of Clean School Bus program funding two years ago, Harris and EPA administrator Michael Regan unleashed nearly $1 billion in federal rebates for 389 school districts across all 50 states to help deliver a total 2,463 electric school buses. According to federal data reviewed by the Washington Free Beacon, just 27 of those districts have proven to the EPA that their buses were delivered and that their diesel-fueled buses being replaced have been discarded.​

​

Collectively, those districts have deployed a total of 60 battery-electric or low-emissions propane-fueled school buses. And 55 additional districts have pulled out of the program, according to other federal data shared with the Free Beacon, citing a variety of technological and infrastructure concerns. In other words: More school districts have withdrawn from the program than proven that they have completed it.​

​

"EPA anticipates that transitioning to new technology school buses will take time, which is why the project period is two years with an option to extend where needed and justified," said EPA spokeswoman Shayla Powell.​

​

Powell didn't deny that 60 school buses have been deployed as part of the program, but she explained that districts still have three months until the EPA's deadline to either file close-out documentation showing they have obtained the buses and scrapped old buses, or file for an extension. The wide time frame is designed to give districts time to test the new buses out and integrate them into their fleet. Powell didn't say how many total buses may have been deployed in districts that have yet to file close-out materials.​

​

The slow progression of the Clean School Bus program is a blow to the Biden-Harris administration as it seeks to quickly get billions of dollars in green energy and climate funding—earmarked in President Joe Biden's signature 2021 Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act and 2022 Inflation Reduction Act—out the door. It's also a black eye for Harris, who has, in many ways, taken credit for the program, which she characterized earlier this year as an "investment in our children, their health, and their education."​

​

The Clean School Bus program was created nearly three years ago as a provision of the 2021 infrastructure bill, which put aside $5 billion for the EPA to distribute in the form of rebates and grants over the course of five years. Since Harris's initial announcement, the agency has unveiled a $1 billion tranche of grants for 280 school districts and a second tranche of rebates, worth $900 million, for another 530 districts. None of those districts have deployed any buses under the program.​

​

"This only makes economic sense if the bus is paid for with a grant like we received," Jeff Dicks, the superintendent of the Newell-Fonda and Albert City-Truesdale school systems in northern Iowa, told the Free Beacon. "The cost is so prohibitive that the cost savings are not worth it."​

​

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Kamala Harris Touted a $5B Electric School Bus Program. Three Years Later, It's Produced Just 60 Buses.

One of Kamala Harris's highest profile responsibilities as vice president has been spearheading the federal government's billion-dollar efforts to deploy thousands of electric buses across hundreds of school districts nationwide. But years into the program, only a small fraction of those...

freebeacon.com

What's your problem? 83 million bucks per bus just about keeps up with inflation these days.

 

[excalibur]

And??, they allocate the money. They don't build the buses.
As noted, it will take time for the technology to evolve. But it will happen.
Eventually, the cost will be worth it.

I'll mark you down as: Useful idiot.

 

[toobfreak]

That has got to be one of the absolute dumbest things I've ever seen you post.

I had to make it something I knew you'd understand.

The technology will evolve. Grow more cost effective. And eventually be adopted everywhere.

Well, Jack, I'm an EE who has worked in everything from global telecom to designing protection for transmitters to shield from direct lightning strikes, and let me 'splain something to you:

• A given technology can only evolve so far before you hit a technological barrier. Have you noticed that computers have really slowed down getting faster and faster? That is because, you can only push electrons through a conductor so fast because of limits to conductor length, circuit reactance, and I2R losses.
• You still have to GENERATE the electricity (by whatever means) then step it up in voltage.
• Then you have to TRANSMIT that voltage across great distances.
• Then you have to step down the voltage (that is what killed Thomas Edison).
• Then you have to CONVERT the power to a DC current.
• No matter the technology, the tendency of a battery to SHORT OUT and EXPLODE is inversely proportional to the square of the energy density footprint, meaning that for each halving of unit size, you increase the difficulty of keeping the charges apart from cancelling each other out violently by FOUR TIMES.
• No matter how you cook it, you are still only STORING power made elsewhere rather than PRODUCING your own motive power wherever you go.
• We are already very close to the technological limits of what we can force a battery to store for a given size. Beyond that, the costs go up exponentially for diminishing returns in storage and output.
• That is the point to where WHOLE NEW APPROACHES are sought and old technology is abandoned.
• Long before we reach the point of making battery operated electric cars feasible as totally REPLACING internal combustion of petroleum distillates, we will have solved the complexities of hydrogen fuel cells and brought their cost within practicality, making everything spent on EV technology WASTED.
• This makes EV technology practical as a secondary source of alternate and hybrid transportation mainly for short local trips in moderate climates. But instead of just admitting that, the Climate Bidenistas got greedy and want EV technology to TOTALLY replace ICE NO MATTER WHAT THE COST thinking they can simply FORCE it on society and RAM IT THROUGH by simply spending enough money and enacting enough regulations.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

I had to make it something I knew you'd understand.


Well, Jack, I'm an EE who has worked in everything from global telecom to designing protection for transmitters to shield from direct lightning strikes, and let me 'splain something to you:

• A given technology can only evolve so far before you hit a technological barrier. Have you noticed that computers have really slowed down getting faster and faster? That is because, you can only push electrons through a conductor so fast because of limits to conductor length, circuit reactance, and I2R losses.
• You still have to GENERATE the electricity (by whatever means) then step it up in voltage.
• Then you have to TRANSMIT that voltage across great distances.
• Then you have to step down the voltage (that is what killed Thomas Edison).
• Then you have to CONVERT the power to a DC current.
• No matter the technology, the tendency of a battery to SHORT OUT and EXPLODE is inversely proportional to the square of the energy density footprint, meaning that for each halving of unit size, you increase the difficulty of keeping the charges apart from cancelling each other out violently by FOUR TIMES.
• No matter how you cook it, you are still only STORING power made elsewhere rather than PRODUCING your own motive power wherever you go.
• We are already very close to the technological limits of what we can force a battery to store for a given size. Beyond that, the costs go up exponentially for diminishing returns in storage and output.
• That is the point to where WHOLE NEW APPROACHES are sought and old technology is abandoned.
• Long before we reach the point of making battery operated electric cars feasible as totally REPLACING internal combustion of petroleum distillates, we will have solved the complexities of hydrogen fuel cells and brought their cost within practicality, making everything spent on EV technology WASTED.
• This makes EV technology practical as a secondary source of alternate and hybrid transportation mainly for short local trips in moderate climates. But instead of just admitting thast, the Bidenistas got greedy and want EV technology to TOTALLY replace ICE NO MATTER WHAT THE COST thinking they can simply FORCE it on society and RAM IT THROUGH by simply spending enough money and enacting enough regulations.

What you are or what you do for a living is irrelevant.
You should be smart enough to know that technology advances.
If there are limitations (and yes there are with electric cars right now), there will be innovations to get around those limitations..or new ways will be found (as you've pointed out). Whether its cars, electricity, personal computers, the beauty of technology is that it keeps on advancing.

Meanwhile, gas powered cars are still being manufactured (cept for Toyota, what's up with that?).

But I still want my Mr Fusion.

 

[justoffal]

I had to make it something I knew you'd understand.


Well, Jack, I'm an EE who has worked in everything from global telecom to designing protection for transmitters to shield from direct lightning strikes, and let me 'splain something to you:

• A given technology can only evolve so far before you hit a technological barrier. Have you noticed that computers have really slowed down getting faster and faster? That is because, you can only push electrons through a conductor so fast because of limits to conductor length, circuit reactance, and I2R losses.
• You still have to GENERATE the electricity (by whatever means) then step it up in voltage.
• Then you have to TRANSMIT that voltage across great distances.
• Then you have to step down the voltage (that is what killed Thomas Edison).
• Then you have to CONVERT the power to a DC current.
• No matter the technology, the tendency of a battery to SHORT OUT and EXPLODE is inversely proportional to the square of the energy density footprint, meaning that for each halving of unit size, you increase the difficulty of keeping the charges apart from cancelling each other out violently by FOUR TIMES.
• No matter how you cook it, you are still only STORING power made elsewhere rather than PRODUCING your own motive power wherever you go.
• We are already very close to the technological limits of what we can force a battery to store for a given size. Beyond that, the costs go up exponentially for diminishing returns in storage and output.
• That is the point to where WHOLE NEW APPROACHES are sought and old technology is abandoned.
• Long before we reach the point of making battery operated electric cars feasible as totally REPLACING internal combustion of petroleum distillates, we will have solved the complexities of hydrogen fuel cells and brought their cost within practicality, making everything spent on EV technology WASTED.
• This makes EV technology practical as a secondary source of alternate and hybrid transportation mainly for short local trips in moderate climates. But instead of just admitting that, the Climate Bidenistas got greedy and want EV technology to TOTALLY replace ICE NO MATTER WHAT THE COST thinking they can simply FORCE it on society and RAM IT THROUGH by simply spending enough money and enacting enough regulations.

Whoah.... Lol.....phew....a veritable guillotine of a post!

It's true.... We are already hitting the wall of diminishing returns.

Now that it has been discovered that DC fast charging kicks the shit out of the batteries the one thing they were hanging their hat on ( decreased replenishment times ) is looking like it's in real danger.

Also the size of the conducting wires continues to grow due to the high amperage passing through them. At some point a charging lead will be too heavy to pick up. It's almost there now in the winter time with the four gauge leads attached to the 600 volt DC chargers.

This is not one of those technologies that's going to find a magic pill to its next elevated step I'm afraid.

Instead a whole generation of engineers and developers are being reeducated and reintroduced to the laws of physics that were learned at the turn of the 20th century.

 

[toobfreak]

Well, Jack, I'm an EE who has worked in everything from global telecom to designing protection for transmitters to shield from direct lightning strikes, and let me 'splain something to you:

• A given technology can only evolve so far before you hit a technological barrier. Have you noticed that computers have really slowed down getting faster and faster? That is because, you can only push electrons through a conductor so fast because of limits to conductor length, circuit reactance, and I2R losses.
• You still have to GENERATE the electricity (by whatever means) then step it up in voltage.
• Then you have to TRANSMIT that voltage across great distances.
• Then you have to step down the voltage (that is what killed Thomas Edison).
• Then you have to CONVERT the power to a DC current.
• No matter the technology, the tendency of a battery to SHORT OUT and EXPLODE is inversely proportional to the square of the energy density footprint, meaning that for each halving of unit size, you increase the difficulty of keeping the charges apart from cancelling each other out violently by FOUR TIMES.
• No matter how you cook it, you are still only STORING power made elsewhere rather than PRODUCING your own motive power wherever you go.
• We are already very close to the technological limits of what we can force a battery to store for a given size. Beyond that, the costs go up exponentially for diminishing returns in storage and output.
• That is the point to where WHOLE NEW APPROACHES are sought and old technology is abandoned.
• Long before we reach the point of making battery operated electric cars feasible as totally REPLACING internal combustion of petroleum distillates, we will have solved the complexities of hydrogen fuel cells and brought their cost within practicality, making everything spent on EV technology WASTED.
• This makes EV technology practical as a secondary source of alternate and hybrid transportation mainly for short local trips in moderate climates. But instead of just admitting that, the Climate Bidenistas got greedy and want EV technology to TOTALLY replace ICE NO MATTER WHAT THE COST thinking they can simply FORCE it on society and RAM IT THROUGH by simply spending enough money and enacting enough regulations.

I FORGOT ONE OTHER KEY POINT:

RULE #!: Anything which generates electricity can be shorted out!

What this means is that we can spend 200 TRILLION dollars on the biggest, baddest electrical generation and transmission grid system ever conceived. We can run EVERYTHING off electricity!

Then all it takes is one really bad CME (solar flare from the Sun) or one EMP bomb from Iran, Nork, China or Russia exploded over the USA to TAKE EVERYTHING OUT.

Then you are SHIT OUTTA LUCK. You've put all your eggs in one basket and have NO POWER to run ANYTHING.

Current anticipated time to replace a single power transmission transformer? Between 1-4 fucking YEARS.

Supply shortages and an inflexible market give rise to high power transformer lead times | Wood Mackenzie

Transformers are a key component in large-scale renewables projects. However, high lead times and rising manufacturing costs are at risk of causing expensive project delays and preventing power plants from being brought online

www.woodmac.com

THAT is why we are throwing ourselves over a cliff with this mad rush to EV technology. If Russia took out our grid tomorrow (EMP/cyberattack, etc.) we could be back in the stone age for literally MONTHS if not years.

• No heat
• No refrigeration
• No AC
• No TV
• No communication
• No radio
• No cellphones
• No hospitals
• No nothing.

 

[justoffal]

I FORGOT ONE OTHER KEY POINT:

RULE #!: Anything which generates electricity can be shorted out!

What this means is that we can spend 200 TRILLION dollars on the biggest, baddest electrical generation and transmission grid system ever conceived. We can run EVERYTHING off electricity!

Then all it takes is one really bad CME (solar flare from the Sun) or one EMP bomb from Iran, Nork, China or Russia exploded over the USA to TAKE EVERYTHING OUT.

Then you are SHIT OUTTA LUCK. You've put all your eggs in one basket and have NO POWER to run ANYTHING.

Current anticipated time to replace a single power transmission transformer? Between 1-4 fucking YEARS.

Supply shortages and an inflexible market give rise to high power transformer lead times | Wood Mackenzie

Transformers are a key component in large-scale renewables projects. However, high lead times and rising manufacturing costs are at risk of causing expensive project delays and preventing power plants from being brought online

www.woodmac.com

THAT is why we are throwing ourselves over a cliff with this mad rush to EV technology. If Russia took out our grid tomorrow (EMP/cyberattack, etc.) we could be back in the stone age for literally MONTHS if not years.

• No heat
• No refrigeration
• No AC
• No TV
• No communication
• No radio
• No cellphones
• No hospitals
• No nothing.

Yep.... When I ran a utility grade power plant we waited months for replacement transformers and always tried to have extras on hand ahead of time. Lightening strikes were usually the culprit.

 

[toobfreak]

What you are or what you do for a living is irrelevant.

I bet you get your financial investment advice from your garbage man too, right?

I mean, if you'd listen to a QUACK like Kamala who has never run anything on how to run the WORLD, then you must take your investment advice from your grocer?

Yeah, don't listen to anything I tell you Jack, I mean, what would I know about electricity and electronics!

 

[lantern2814]

Well, just following Obama's Solyndra et all BS. Plenty of money for kickbacks to Dem pols, though.

This woman is just plain awful. And I'm sure she just the Yellen plan for spending $78,000 billion on AGW.

​

One of Kamala Harris's highest profile responsibilities as vice president has been spearheading the federal government's billion-dollar efforts to deploy thousands of electric buses across hundreds of school districts nationwide. But years into the program, only a small fraction of those projects have been completed while dozens of school districts have withdrawn from the program altogether.​

​

As part of the first tranche of Clean School Bus program funding two years ago, Harris and EPA administrator Michael Regan unleashed nearly $1 billion in federal rebates for 389 school districts across all 50 states to help deliver a total 2,463 electric school buses. According to federal data reviewed by the Washington Free Beacon, just 27 of those districts have proven to the EPA that their buses were delivered and that their diesel-fueled buses being replaced have been discarded.​

​

Collectively, those districts have deployed a total of 60 battery-electric or low-emissions propane-fueled school buses. And 55 additional districts have pulled out of the program, according to other federal data shared with the Free Beacon, citing a variety of technological and infrastructure concerns. In other words: More school districts have withdrawn from the program than proven that they have completed it.​

​

"EPA anticipates that transitioning to new technology school buses will take time, which is why the project period is two years with an option to extend where needed and justified," said EPA spokeswoman Shayla Powell.​

​

Powell didn't deny that 60 school buses have been deployed as part of the program, but she explained that districts still have three months until the EPA's deadline to either file close-out documentation showing they have obtained the buses and scrapped old buses, or file for an extension. The wide time frame is designed to give districts time to test the new buses out and integrate them into their fleet. Powell didn't say how many total buses may have been deployed in districts that have yet to file close-out materials.​

​

The slow progression of the Clean School Bus program is a blow to the Biden-Harris administration as it seeks to quickly get billions of dollars in green energy and climate funding—earmarked in President Joe Biden's signature 2021 Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act and 2022 Inflation Reduction Act—out the door. It's also a black eye for Harris, who has, in many ways, taken credit for the program, which she characterized earlier this year as an "investment in our children, their health, and their education."​

​

The Clean School Bus program was created nearly three years ago as a provision of the 2021 infrastructure bill, which put aside $5 billion for the EPA to distribute in the form of rebates and grants over the course of five years. Since Harris's initial announcement, the agency has unveiled a $1 billion tranche of grants for 280 school districts and a second tranche of rebates, worth $900 million, for another 530 districts. None of those districts have deployed any buses under the program.​

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"This only makes economic sense if the bus is paid for with a grant like we received," Jeff Dicks, the superintendent of the Newell-Fonda and Albert City-Truesdale school systems in northern Iowa, told the Free Beacon. "The cost is so prohibitive that the cost savings are not worth it."​

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Kamala Harris Touted a $5B Electric School Bus Program. Three Years Later, It's Produced Just 60 Buses.

One of Kamala Harris's highest profile responsibilities as vice president has been spearheading the federal government's billion-dollar efforts to deploy thousands of electric buses across hundreds of school districts nationwide. But years into the program, only a small fraction of those...

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They forget that in the Northeast especially, winter gets pretty cold. Cold weather and those batteries don't play well together. Rochester in New York tried this with their public transportation and on the first cold day, the buses wouldn't start. And do you really want your child riding above a battery that size that could cause untold havoc if it explodes during an accident?

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

I FORGOT ONE OTHER KEY POINT:

RULE #!: Anything which generates electricity can be shorted out!

What this means is that we can spend 200 TRILLION dollars on the biggest, baddest electrical generation and transmission grid system ever conceived. We can run EVERYTHING off electricity!

Then all it takes is one really bad CME (solar flare from the Sun) or one EMP bomb from Iran, Nork, China or Russia exploded over the USA to TAKE EVERYTHING OUT.

Then you are SHIT OUTTA LUCK. You've put all your eggs in one basket and have NO POWER to run ANYTHING.

Current anticipated time to replace a single power transmission transformer? Between 1-4 fucking YEARS.

Supply shortages and an inflexible market give rise to high power transformer lead times | Wood Mackenzie

Transformers are a key component in large-scale renewables projects. However, high lead times and rising manufacturing costs are at risk of causing expensive project delays and preventing power plants from being brought online

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THAT is why we are throwing ourselves over a cliff with this mad rush to EV technology. If Russia took out our grid tomorrow (EMP/cyberattack, etc.) we could be back in the stone age for literally MONTHS if not years.

• No heat
• No refrigeration
• No AC
• No TV
• No communication
• No radio
• No cellphones
• No hospitals
• No nothing.

Well, this is more of an issue with infrastructure funding, which has been an issue for decades.

 

[justoffal]

They forget that in the Northeast especially, winter gets pretty cold. Cold weather and those batteries don't play well together. Rochester in New York tried this with their public transportation and on the first cold day, the buses wouldn't start. And do you really want your child riding above a battery that size that could cause untold havoc if it explodes during an accident?

There are some new concerns about low grade radiative energies emanating from the batteries....to be further investigated.