Keeping guns from criminals - liberals, what is your plan?

[Crystalclear]

It's not possible to keep guns from criminals, that's why law abiding citizens should have the right to bear arms, so that they can protect themselves against criminals.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

The issue here is simple: People who lack the understanding of what it means to be a human being; in short, those people who have been indoctrinated by the Ideological Left.

If one takes the Population Centers which have long been governed under the principle-less notions of Left-think out of the equation, the United States is the safest place on earth. And with no close second.

 

[Chris]

The issue here is simple: People who lack the understanding of what it means to be a human being; in short, those people who have been indoctrinated by the Ideological Left.

If one takes the Population Centers which have long been governed under the principle-less notions of Left-think out of the equation, the United States is the safest place on earth. And with no close second.

The average violent crime rate (murder, forcible rape, robbery, aggravated assault) in 2008 for the 28 states that voted for Barack Obama in the 2008 Presidential election was 389 incidents per 100,000 residents. The average violent crime rate for the 22 states that voted for John McCain was 412 incidents per 100,000 residents - or a 5.8 percent higher incidence of violent crime.

Red States Have Higher Crime Rates Than Blue States - Smart Politics

 

[Chris]

The states with the highest rate of gun violence per capita are:

1. Louisiana
2. Arkansas
3.Alabama
4. Arizona
5. Mississippi
6. South Carolina
7. New Mexico
8. Missouri
9. Alaska
10. Georgia.

Almost all are Repubican states with loose gun laws.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

The issue here is simple: People who lack the understanding of what it means to be a human being; in short, those people who have been indoctrinated by the Ideological Left.

If one takes the Population Centers which have long been governed under the principle-less notions of Left-think out of the equation, the United States is the safest place on earth. And with no close second.

The average violent crime rate (murder, forcible rape, robbery, aggravated assault) in 2008 for the 28 states that voted for Barack Obama in the 2008 Presidential election was 389 incidents per 100,000 residents. The average violent crime rate for the 22 states that voted for John McCain was 412 incidents per 100,000 residents - or a 5.8 percent higher incidence of violent crime.

Red States Have Higher Crime Rates Than Blue States - Smart Politics

ROFLMNAO! ABSOLUTE NONSENSE... Total unmitigated balderdash.

It's not even debatable, Chris.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

the states with the highest rate of gun violence per capita are:

1. Louisiana
2. Arkansas
3.alabama
4. Arizona
5. Mississippi
6. South carolina
7. New mexico
8. Missouri
9. Alaska
10. Georgia.

Almost all are repubican states with loose gun laws.

Nonsense...

 

[kaz]

Treat firearms like automobiles. Licenses, registrations and liability insurance. Ammunition sales subject to proof of insurance.

So reading the original post, how does this answer the question? So gun owners follow the law, criminals just buy illegal guns. My question was that since teenagers can get all the pot they want, how are you going to keep guns from criminals? This doesn't even address that?

As for requiring liability insurance to exercise our Constitutional rights, you OK with that for free speech in case someone commits slander? They would be insured? Or they have to STFU? Or what about abortion, can we require people purchase a license and registration to get one? What do you think? Or is it just guns that are a Constitutional right government can sell you the right to exercise?

 

[kaz]

So [MENTION=24452]Seawytch[/MENTION], what is YOUR plan exactly?

Crickets, what about addressing the question? You made a claim, what is your actual plan regarding the OP's post?

 

[kaz]

The average violent crime rate (murder, forcible rape, robbery, aggravated assault) in 2008 for the 28 states that voted for Barack Obama in the 2008 Presidential election was 389 incidents per 100,000 residents. The average violent crime rate for the 22 states that voted for John McCain was 412 incidents per 100,000 residents - or a 5.8 percent higher incidence of violent crime.

Red States Have Higher Crime Rates Than Blue States - Smart Politics

And that proves what exactly?

 

[kaz]

And so make them illegal and they can't get guns, right Joe? I mean a mass murderer wouldn't break gun laws, that would just be wrong.

Yes, we should make military grade weapons illegal for civilians to own. We should also make other guns difficult to acquire.

Hey Joe, where you going with that gun in your hand?

So you're back to your point wanting to keep guns out of hands of non-criminals to reduce crime. Did you ever come up with a plan to keep guns out of the hands of actual criminals?

 

[2aguy]

The issue here is simple: People who lack the understanding of what it means to be a human being; in short, those people who have been indoctrinated by the Ideological Left.

If one takes the Population Centers which have long been governed under the principle-less notions of Left-think out of the equation, the United States is the safest place on earth. And with no close second.

The average violent crime rate (murder, forcible rape, robbery, aggravated assault) in 2008 for the 28 states that voted for Barack Obama in the 2008 Presidential election was 389 incidents per 100,000 residents. The average violent crime rate for the 22 states that voted for John McCain was 412 incidents per 100,000 residents - or a 5.8 percent higher incidence of violent crime.

Red States Have Higher Crime Rates Than Blue States - Smart Politics

Too bad you and the article are wrong....in the Red states that have high crime rates...their cities are run by democrats...for example...Tennessee...the 6 largest cities are controlled by democrats...and Memphis is one of them and one of the most violent cities in the country....also....Red states line our southern border...where the drug cartels run drugs and illegal immigrants into the country....Red states are also our southern port states...again where drug cartels run drugs through our country......

24 out of the 25 most violent cities in the U.S. have been run by democrats....some of those are red states, but the cities are run by democrats...and that increases the crime rate...since democrats underfund, understaff and undermine the police and then throw in democrat social policies...and you have violence breeding grounds....in Red States....

that is why some Red states have higher rates...possibly.....if the article isn't simply lying...as anti gun nuts usually do....

 

[2aguy]

And so make them illegal and they can't get guns, right Joe? I mean a mass murderer wouldn't break gun laws, that would just be wrong.

Yes, we should make military grade weapons illegal for civilians to own. We should also make other guns difficult to acquire.

Hey Joe, where you going with that gun in your hand?

So you're back to your point wanting to keep guns out of hands of non-criminals to reduce crime. Did you ever come up with a plan to keep guns out of the hands of actual criminals?

Joe's real problem isn't guns...it is people...he is afraid of them.....he thinks they are too emotional and can't control themselves...he is essentially projecting his attributes onto other people.....since he can't control people...especially criminals, he tries to control the only people he can sort of control...the law abiding people who will actually obey any silly law he wants enacted. To control them....he wants to disarm them...that way he thinks he will be safer....of course this is so wrong...but his underlying fears are irrational, so his solution will be irrational.....

 

[Ava]

Every time there's a shooting, liberals run around saying this proves we need more gun laws. I ask liberals over and over how exactly you are going to keep guns out of the hands of criminals every time you say you want more gun laws.

In particular, address given that drugs are illegal, and yet any parent knows any kid can get as much pot as they want. There are millions of guns in the US, millions more in the world. So don't just say more laws, explain how more laws are going to actually work.

So, there have been 7 shootings killing at least 10 people in the last decade. The only thing you've achieved so far is that no one was shooting back.

Not yet anyway. Knives are in fashion, too, and beheadings.

 

[2aguy]

Just a quick look....a lot of the 24 most violent cities are in red states...but controlled by democrats.....

Cleveland is a city that goes back and forth between Republicans and democrats the rest are controlled by dems....

Most Dangerous Cities In America - Business Insider

compare the Red states to the most dangerous cities...you will have to look up the mayors yourself....some are hard to find......but 24 of the 25 have been controlled by democrats...some going as far back as the 1940s....

Red states and blue states - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[kaz]

And so make them illegal and they can't get guns, right Joe? I mean a mass murderer wouldn't break gun laws, that would just be wrong.

Yes, we should make military grade weapons illegal for civilians to own. We should also make other guns difficult to acquire.

Hey Joe, where you going with that gun in your hand?

So you're back to your point wanting to keep guns out of hands of non-criminals to reduce crime. Did you ever come up with a plan to keep guns out of the hands of actual criminals?

Joe's real problem isn't guns...it is people...he is afraid of them.....he thinks they are too emotional and can't control themselves...he is essentially projecting his attributes onto other people.....since he can't control people...especially criminals, he tries to control the only people he can sort of control...the law abiding people who will actually obey any silly law he wants enacted. To control them....he wants to disarm them...that way he thinks he will be safer....of course this is so wrong...but his underlying fears are irrational, so his solution will be irrational.....

Great insight. People who are afraid often lash out in anger.

 

[Wry Catcher]

And so make them illegal and they can't get guns, right Joe? I mean a mass murderer wouldn't break gun laws, that would just be wrong.

Yes, we should make military grade weapons illegal for civilians to own. We should also make other guns difficult to acquire.

Hey Joe, where you going with that gun in your hand?

So you're back to your point wanting to keep guns out of hands of non-criminals to reduce crime. Did you ever come up with a plan to keep guns out of the hands of actual criminals?

Define "criminals". If you mean anyone convicted of a crime, DUI, petty theft, vandalism - in fact any misdemeanor or felony that might work. But is it rational or doable? And, in fact it might not go far enough. Consider those detained as a danger to themselves or others (civil commitments are not criminal) would need to have their Second Amendment Rights infringed (to also include those who spent one night in the drunk tank).

For a rational argument on gun control, we need to keep Kaz and other like him out of the discussion. Suffice it to say, Kaz and the other gun nuts seem to believe this, and only this: Guns are a basic right, any effort or even discussion on gun control needs to be met with one voice, one echo: "Our right cannot be infringed no matter how many innocent lives are taken!"

Here is a link to a vast resource for those who want to have the background to have a knowledgeable, honest and rational debate on guns & gun control.

Mass murder shooting sprees and rampage violence Research roundup Journalist s Resource Research for Reporting from Harvard Shorenstein Center

I do not expect Kaz or any of the willfully ignorant, and those who echo those words in red above to open and consider the link, or any of the vast number of studies annotated.

 

[2aguy]

And so make them illegal and they can't get guns, right Joe? I mean a mass murderer wouldn't break gun laws, that would just be wrong.

Yes, we should make military grade weapons illegal for civilians to own. We should also make other guns difficult to acquire.

Hey Joe, where you going with that gun in your hand?

So you're back to your point wanting to keep guns out of hands of non-criminals to reduce crime. Did you ever come up with a plan to keep guns out of the hands of actual criminals?

Define "criminals". If you mean anyone convicted of a crime, DUI, petty theft, vandalism - in fact any misdemeanor or felony that might work. But is it rational or doable? And, in fact it might not go far enough. Consider those detained as a danger to themselves or others (civil commitments are not criminal) would need to have their Second Amendment Rights infringed (to also include those who spent one night in the drunk tank).

For a rational argument on gun control, we need to keep Kaz and other like him out of the discussion. Suffice it to say, Kaz and the other gun nuts seem to believe this, and only this: Guns are a basic right, any effort or even discussion on gun control needs to be met with one voice, one echo: "Our right cannot be infringed no matter how many innocent lives are taken!"

Here is a link to a vast resource for those who want to have the background to have a knowledgeable, honest and rational debate on guns & gun control.

Mass murder shooting sprees and rampage violence Research roundup Journalist s Resource Research for Reporting from Harvard Shorenstein Center

I do not expect Kaz or any of the willfully ignorant, and those who echo those words in red above to open and consider the link, or any of the vast number of studies annotated.

Yeah....looked thru the source.....not helpful......

 

[Wry Catcher]

And so make them illegal and they can't get guns, right Joe? I mean a mass murderer wouldn't break gun laws, that would just be wrong.

Yes, we should make military grade weapons illegal for civilians to own. We should also make other guns difficult to acquire.

Hey Joe, where you going with that gun in your hand?

So you're back to your point wanting to keep guns out of hands of non-criminals to reduce crime. Did you ever come up with a plan to keep guns out of the hands of actual criminals?

Define "criminals". If you mean anyone convicted of a crime, DUI, petty theft, vandalism - in fact any misdemeanor or felony that might work. But is it rational or doable? And, in fact it might not go far enough. Consider those detained as a danger to themselves or others (civil commitments are not criminal) would need to have their Second Amendment Rights infringed (to also include those who spent one night in the drunk tank).

For a rational argument on gun control, we need to keep Kaz and other like him out of the discussion. Suffice it to say, Kaz and the other gun nuts seem to believe this, and only this: Guns are a basic right, any effort or even discussion on gun control needs to be met with one voice, one echo: "Our right cannot be infringed no matter how many innocent lives are taken!"

Here is a link to a vast resource for those who want to have the background to have a knowledgeable, honest and rational debate on guns & gun control.

Mass murder shooting sprees and rampage violence Research roundup Journalist s Resource Research for Reporting from Harvard Shorenstein Center

I do not expect Kaz or any of the willfully ignorant, and those who echo those words in red above to open and consider the link, or any of the vast number of studies annotated.

Yeah....looked thru the source.....not helpful......

You proved one thing, you're a liar.

Now I have one question needing an answer, is your ignorance willful, or is it congenital?

 

[2aguy]

Your source is crap....more anti self defense crap.....

Let me guess...background checks, gun registration......magazine limits.....those are your solutions...right? You know....crap that will not work to stop actual violence....but it sure will harrass the people you don't like...gun owners.....

 

[2aguy]

Research has found, for example, that higher rates of household firearms ownership are associated with higher rates of gun suicide

Except....in Japan....where they have absolute gun control and twice the suicide rate.....it isn't guns....it is the desire to kill oneself....and if no guns were in the home...they would use pills, jump in front of trains, or off bridges and buildings...just like the Japanese, Russians and French do and all the other countries that have strict gun control and higher suicide rates....this is why your source is crap....