Keeping guns from criminals - liberals, what is your plan?

[2aguy]

Not spinning it...telling the truth. Guns are legal products and we are not cops. Making us do the work of cops to sell a legal product is insane. Catch the felon who buys the gun....they know they can't own it or carry it....you can arrest them already without licensing gun owners...

And as Illinois shows...licensing does absolutely nothing to stop criminals from getting guns....because none of the shooters in Chicago....and we have had another bloody weekend, have Firearm Owner Identification CArds...do they?

I don't support Illinois gun regulations. But i can't let you slide if you sell a firearm to a Felon. You gotta go down. Sorry, but you knew the risks involved.

No...no you don't.....many gun owners buy a gun and then never keep up with the anti gun extremists and the laws they pass to specifically trip up law abiding gun owners. To them the gun is no different than a fishing rod or a computer or a car.

They are not a criminal for selling their gun....you guys want to make them into criminals...I want to arrest real criminals.

No one's tripping you up. You sold the firearm. It's on you. There are processes you can engage in to make sure the purchaser isn't a Felon. If you choose not to do due diligence, you could pay a hefty price.

Again...do you need to do the same thing for computers...do you think that children aren't harmed or murdered because a pedophile has access to an illegal computer?

What about cars...a person without a license to drive can still kill with your car if you sell it to him...right? And drunk drivers kill far more people than guns do...right?

We are not cops, and are not being paid to research the criminal history of people we know. You want to trip up law abiding people, I don't. Catch the criminals...don't make new ones who don't need to be made into criminals.

Again, Apples & Oranges. Just be very careful who you sell firearms to. You could be on the hook. And rightfully so.

And then you need to be on the hook for your car and your computer as well....since they are more destructive to life than guns.

 

[2aguy]

Not spinning it...telling the truth. Guns are legal products and we are not cops. Making us do the work of cops to sell a legal product is insane. Catch the felon who buys the gun....they know they can't own it or carry it....you can arrest them already without licensing gun owners...

And as Illinois shows...licensing does absolutely nothing to stop criminals from getting guns....because none of the shooters in Chicago....and we have had another bloody weekend, have Firearm Owner Identification CArds...do they?

I don't support Illinois gun regulations. But i can't let you slide if you sell a firearm to a Felon. You gotta go down. Sorry, but you knew the risks involved.

No...no you don't.....many gun owners buy a gun and then never keep up with the anti gun extremists and the laws they pass to specifically trip up law abiding gun owners. To them the gun is no different than a fishing rod or a computer or a car.

They are not a criminal for selling their gun....you guys want to make them into criminals...I want to arrest real criminals.

No one's tripping you up. You sold the firearm. It's on you. There are processes you can engage in to make sure the purchaser isn't a Felon. If you choose not to do due diligence, you could pay a hefty price.

Again...do you need to do the same thing for computers...do you think that children aren't harmed or murdered because a pedophile has access to an illegal computer?

What about cars...a person without a license to drive can still kill with your car if you sell it to him...right? And drunk drivers kill far more people than guns do...right?

We are not cops, and are not being paid to research the criminal history of people we know. You want to trip up law abiding people, I don't. Catch the criminals...don't make new ones who don't need to be made into criminals.

Again, Apples & Oranges. Just be very careful who you sell firearms to. You could be on the hook. And rightfully so.

Drunk drivers kill more people than guns each year...so you need to do due dilligence when you sell your car...right...

gun murders in 2013....8,454...

MADD - Statistics

EVERY DAY IN AMERICA, ANOTHER 28 PEOPLE DIE AS A RESULT OF DRUNK DRIVING CRASHES.

DRUNK DRIVING COSTS THE UNITED STATES $199 BILLION A YEAR.

TEEN ALCOHOL USE KILLS 4,700 PEOPLE EACH YEAR - THAT’S MORE THAN ALL ILLEGAL DRUGS COMBINED.

So....drunk drivers kill 10,220 people a year......vs. 8,454 by gun murder...

and in 2013...only 505 people died by gun accident......

 

[paulitician]

I don't support Illinois gun regulations. But i can't let you slide if you sell a firearm to a Felon. You gotta go down. Sorry, but you knew the risks involved.

No...no you don't.....many gun owners buy a gun and then never keep up with the anti gun extremists and the laws they pass to specifically trip up law abiding gun owners. To them the gun is no different than a fishing rod or a computer or a car.

They are not a criminal for selling their gun....you guys want to make them into criminals...I want to arrest real criminals.

No one's tripping you up. You sold the firearm. It's on you. There are processes you can engage in to make sure the purchaser isn't a Felon. If you choose not to do due diligence, you could pay a hefty price.

Again...do you need to do the same thing for computers...do you think that children aren't harmed or murdered because a pedophile has access to an illegal computer?

What about cars...a person without a license to drive can still kill with your car if you sell it to him...right? And drunk drivers kill far more people than guns do...right?

We are not cops, and are not being paid to research the criminal history of people we know. You want to trip up law abiding people, I don't. Catch the criminals...don't make new ones who don't need to be made into criminals.

Again, Apples & Oranges. Just be very careful who you sell firearms to. You could be on the hook. And rightfully so.

And then you need to be on the hook for your car and your computer as well....since they are more destructive to life than guns.

Just warning you. I was in the gun selling business for years. The loopholes are being closed. So be careful. You sell a firearm to a Felon, you will be held accountable.

 

[paulitician]

I don't support Illinois gun regulations. But i can't let you slide if you sell a firearm to a Felon. You gotta go down. Sorry, but you knew the risks involved.

No...no you don't.....many gun owners buy a gun and then never keep up with the anti gun extremists and the laws they pass to specifically trip up law abiding gun owners. To them the gun is no different than a fishing rod or a computer or a car.

They are not a criminal for selling their gun....you guys want to make them into criminals...I want to arrest real criminals.

No one's tripping you up. You sold the firearm. It's on you. There are processes you can engage in to make sure the purchaser isn't a Felon. If you choose not to do due diligence, you could pay a hefty price.

Again...do you need to do the same thing for computers...do you think that children aren't harmed or murdered because a pedophile has access to an illegal computer?

What about cars...a person without a license to drive can still kill with your car if you sell it to him...right? And drunk drivers kill far more people than guns do...right?

We are not cops, and are not being paid to research the criminal history of people we know. You want to trip up law abiding people, I don't. Catch the criminals...don't make new ones who don't need to be made into criminals.

Again, Apples & Oranges. Just be very careful who you sell firearms to. You could be on the hook. And rightfully so.

Drunk drivers kill more people than guns each year...so you need to do due dilligence when you sell your car...right...

MADD - Statistics

Background Checks are routinely conducted on Citizens for things like renting Apartments. So if i were you, i would look into backgrounds of those you're selling firearms to. It's the logical and safe thing to do. We as law abiding gun owners wanna do the right thing. Don't make a mistake you'll regret the rest of your life.

 

[2aguy]

No...no you don't.....many gun owners buy a gun and then never keep up with the anti gun extremists and the laws they pass to specifically trip up law abiding gun owners. To them the gun is no different than a fishing rod or a computer or a car.

They are not a criminal for selling their gun....you guys want to make them into criminals...I want to arrest real criminals.

No one's tripping you up. You sold the firearm. It's on you. There are processes you can engage in to make sure the purchaser isn't a Felon. If you choose not to do due diligence, you could pay a hefty price.

Again...do you need to do the same thing for computers...do you think that children aren't harmed or murdered because a pedophile has access to an illegal computer?

What about cars...a person without a license to drive can still kill with your car if you sell it to him...right? And drunk drivers kill far more people than guns do...right?

We are not cops, and are not being paid to research the criminal history of people we know. You want to trip up law abiding people, I don't. Catch the criminals...don't make new ones who don't need to be made into criminals.

Again, Apples & Oranges. Just be very careful who you sell firearms to. You could be on the hook. And rightfully so.

Drunk drivers kill more people than guns each year...so you need to do due dilligence when you sell your car...right...

MADD - Statistics

Background Checks are conducted on Citizens to merely rent Apartments. So if i were you, i would look into backgrounds of those you're selling firearms to. It's the logical and safe thing to do. We as law abiding gun owners wanna do the right thing. Don't make a mistake you'll regret the rest of your life.

Don't make a mistake you'll regret the rest of your life.

And there you have it...exactly what the anti gun extremists want.....they could care less about career criminals...but they just salivate over catching some normal, good person who has no idea what the laws are.....

 

[paulitician]

No one's tripping you up. You sold the firearm. It's on you. There are processes you can engage in to make sure the purchaser isn't a Felon. If you choose not to do due diligence, you could pay a hefty price.

Again...do you need to do the same thing for computers...do you think that children aren't harmed or murdered because a pedophile has access to an illegal computer?

What about cars...a person without a license to drive can still kill with your car if you sell it to him...right? And drunk drivers kill far more people than guns do...right?

We are not cops, and are not being paid to research the criminal history of people we know. You want to trip up law abiding people, I don't. Catch the criminals...don't make new ones who don't need to be made into criminals.

Again, Apples & Oranges. Just be very careful who you sell firearms to. You could be on the hook. And rightfully so.

Drunk drivers kill more people than guns each year...so you need to do due dilligence when you sell your car...right...

MADD - Statistics

Background Checks are conducted on Citizens to merely rent Apartments. So if i were you, i would look into backgrounds of those you're selling firearms to. It's the logical and safe thing to do. We as law abiding gun owners wanna do the right thing. Don't make a mistake you'll regret the rest of your life.

Don't make a mistake you'll regret the rest of your life.

And there you have it...exactly what the anti gun extremists want.....they could care less about career criminals...but they just salivate over catching some normal, good person who has no idea what the laws are.....

Like i said, there are procedures and processes you can follow to make sure you're not selling a firearm to a Felon. They're not that complicated. You as the gun seller, are responsible. The 'I didn't know' defense won't work anymore.

 

[fanofthepower]

There are loopholes. But they'll be closed eventually. You sell a firearm to a Felon, you need to be held accountable.

Do you realize that Illinois has licenses for all gun owners called the Firearm Owners Identification CArd.....you submit to a State Police background check and then you get your "license" and you need it to buy guns, ammo and to shoot on a commercial range, as well as to transport guns.

I have one. I have never committed a crime.

And you know what...it has no effect on the shooting gallery that we call the city of Chicago....so....with that actual application also showing how dumb gun licensing is.....why do we need it again?

I don't support those laws. But if you're gonna sell a firearm, i suggest you do your due diligence. If the purchaser turns out to be a Felon, you have to be held accountable.

Again...do you have to do due dilligence before you sell your car? To make sure the guy you are selling it to isn't a convicted drunk driver?

Again, do you have to do due dilligence before you sell your computer? To make sure the guy you are selling it to isn't a convicted child porn guy like Jared, who are banned from ever touching a computer again.

Are either of those on you?

Same for guns....the criminal knows he is breaking the law, catch him and arrest him. If you have an actual criminal gun dealer, knowingly selling to criminals in large quantities...catch him and arrest him....spend your manpower on him, not Joe Citizen.

Like i said, you can go on spinning it anyway you like, but you sell a firearm to a Felon, you have to accept responsibility and pay the piper.

Not spinning it...telling the truth. Guns are legal products and we are not cops. Making us do the work of cops to sell a legal product is insane. Catch the felon who buys the gun....they know they can't own it or carry it....you can arrest them already without licensing gun owners...

And as Illinois shows...licensing does absolutely nothing to stop criminals from getting guns....because none of the shooters in Chicago....and we have had another bloody weekend, have Firearm Owner Identification CArds...do they?

Apart from an extension of an inadequate body part ...what useful function does a gun have...is shooting bullets at cans a form of entertainment, an education for a child...if you remove all guns children will stop dying because of the careless actions of a few....agreed, only a few...but children will live ...children who would otherwise die....I am curious.... can you name something other than guns that have no function other than killing....that cause the deaths of good people....every day...not saying such a product does not exist...but, can't think of anything at the moment...cars (function), knives (function), swimming pools (function), bicycles (function)..automatically, you will say 'protection'...self defense..well, if there are no guns...man up and find a way to protect yourself.., pretend you're Monty Clift fighting Ernie Borgnine in From Here to Eternity...have some guts ...or, as most trembling cowards without a gun would do....run......there is risk in life embrace it...

 

[paulitician]

Do you realize that Illinois has licenses for all gun owners called the Firearm Owners Identification CArd.....you submit to a State Police background check and then you get your "license" and you need it to buy guns, ammo and to shoot on a commercial range, as well as to transport guns.

I have one. I have never committed a crime.

And you know what...it has no effect on the shooting gallery that we call the city of Chicago....so....with that actual application also showing how dumb gun licensing is.....why do we need it again?

I don't support those laws. But if you're gonna sell a firearm, i suggest you do your due diligence. If the purchaser turns out to be a Felon, you have to be held accountable.

Again...do you have to do due dilligence before you sell your car? To make sure the guy you are selling it to isn't a convicted drunk driver?

Again, do you have to do due dilligence before you sell your computer? To make sure the guy you are selling it to isn't a convicted child porn guy like Jared, who are banned from ever touching a computer again.

Are either of those on you?

Same for guns....the criminal knows he is breaking the law, catch him and arrest him. If you have an actual criminal gun dealer, knowingly selling to criminals in large quantities...catch him and arrest him....spend your manpower on him, not Joe Citizen.

Like i said, you can go on spinning it anyway you like, but you sell a firearm to a Felon, you have to accept responsibility and pay the piper.

Not spinning it...telling the truth. Guns are legal products and we are not cops. Making us do the work of cops to sell a legal product is insane. Catch the felon who buys the gun....they know they can't own it or carry it....you can arrest them already without licensing gun owners...

And as Illinois shows...licensing does absolutely nothing to stop criminals from getting guns....because none of the shooters in Chicago....and we have had another bloody weekend, have Firearm Owner Identification CArds...do they?

Apart from an extension of an inadequate body part ...what useful function does a gun have...is shooting bullets at cans a form of entertainment, an education for a child...if you remove all guns children will stop dying because of the careless actions of a few....agreed, only a few...but children will live ...children who would otherwise die....I am curious.... can you name something other than guns that have no function other than killing....that cause the deaths of good people....every day...not saying such a product does not exist...but, can't think of anything at the moment...cars (function), knives (function), swimming pools (function), bicycles (function)..automatically, you will say 'protection'...self defense..well, if there are no guns...man up and find a way to protect yourself.., pretend you're Monty Clift fighting Ernie Borgnine in From Here to Eternity...have some guts ...or, as most trembling cowards without a gun would do....run......there is risk in life embrace it...

We as a Society especially need to reassess the practice of handing children firearms. Sadly, we do live in different times. Kids are bombarded with sex & violence 24/7. Handing them firearms is unnecessary and unwise.

 

[2aguy]

Do you realize that Illinois has licenses for all gun owners called the Firearm Owners Identification CArd.....you submit to a State Police background check and then you get your "license" and you need it to buy guns, ammo and to shoot on a commercial range, as well as to transport guns.

I have one. I have never committed a crime.

And you know what...it has no effect on the shooting gallery that we call the city of Chicago....so....with that actual application also showing how dumb gun licensing is.....why do we need it again?

I don't support those laws. But if you're gonna sell a firearm, i suggest you do your due diligence. If the purchaser turns out to be a Felon, you have to be held accountable.

Again...do you have to do due dilligence before you sell your car? To make sure the guy you are selling it to isn't a convicted drunk driver?

Again, do you have to do due dilligence before you sell your computer? To make sure the guy you are selling it to isn't a convicted child porn guy like Jared, who are banned from ever touching a computer again.

Are either of those on you?

Same for guns....the criminal knows he is breaking the law, catch him and arrest him. If you have an actual criminal gun dealer, knowingly selling to criminals in large quantities...catch him and arrest him....spend your manpower on him, not Joe Citizen.

Like i said, you can go on spinning it anyway you like, but you sell a firearm to a Felon, you have to accept responsibility and pay the piper.

Not spinning it...telling the truth. Guns are legal products and we are not cops. Making us do the work of cops to sell a legal product is insane. Catch the felon who buys the gun....they know they can't own it or carry it....you can arrest them already without licensing gun owners...

And as Illinois shows...licensing does absolutely nothing to stop criminals from getting guns....because none of the shooters in Chicago....and we have had another bloody weekend, have Firearm Owner Identification CArds...do they?

Apart from an extension of an inadequate body part ...what useful function does a gun have...is shooting bullets at cans a form of entertainment, an education for a child...if you remove all guns children will stop dying because of the careless actions of a few....agreed, only a few...but children will live ...children who would otherwise die....I am curious.... can you name something other than guns that have no function other than killing....that cause the deaths of good people....every day...not saying such a product does not exist...but, can't think of anything at the moment...cars (function), knives (function), swimming pools (function), bicycles (function)..automatically, you will say 'protection'...self defense..well, if there are no guns...man up and find a way to protect yourself.., pretend you're Monty Clift fighting Ernie Borgnine in From Here to Eternity...have some guts ...or, as most trembling cowards without a gun would do....run......there is risk in life embrace it...

wow, you are not smart. Guns are designed to save the life of the user....that is why they were created. they also provide food. guns often keep people safe and no shots are ever fired. most police never use their guns, yet the mere presence of a gun with a police keeps the peace and brings bad people into custody...no shots fired. also, in most self defense situations, no shots are fired, the violent criminals run away or surrender.

Explain to a senior citizen that hey need to "man up".....or a woman facing 1 or more armed or unarmed men intent onrape or murder.....

Please engage your brain before you post...it would be really helpful...

 

[2aguy]

Again...do you need to do the same thing for computers...do you think that children aren't harmed or murdered because a pedophile has access to an illegal computer?

What about cars...a person without a license to drive can still kill with your car if you sell it to him...right? And drunk drivers kill far more people than guns do...right?

We are not cops, and are not being paid to research the criminal history of people we know. You want to trip up law abiding people, I don't. Catch the criminals...don't make new ones who don't need to be made into criminals.

Again, Apples & Oranges. Just be very careful who you sell firearms to. You could be on the hook. And rightfully so.

Drunk drivers kill more people than guns each year...so you need to do due dilligence when you sell your car...right...

MADD - Statistics

Background Checks are conducted on Citizens to merely rent Apartments. So if i were you, i would look into backgrounds of those you're selling firearms to. It's the logical and safe thing to do. We as law abiding gun owners wanna do the right thing. Don't make a mistake you'll regret the rest of your life.

Don't make a mistake you'll regret the rest of your life.

And there you have it...exactly what the anti gun extremists want.....they could care less about career criminals...but they just salivate over catching some normal, good person who has no idea what the laws are.....

Like i said, there are procedures and processes you can follow to make sure you're not selling a firearm to a Felon. They're not that complicated. You as the gun seller, are responsible. The 'I didn't know' defense won't work anymore.

they are created to cost gun owners more money in order to infringe on a Right. any added cost is an infringement, which is why we do not have poll taxes on the right to vote...so the same applies to guns.

 

[paulitician]

Again, Apples & Oranges. Just be very careful who you sell firearms to. You could be on the hook. And rightfully so.

Drunk drivers kill more people than guns each year...so you need to do due dilligence when you sell your car...right...

MADD - Statistics

Background Checks are conducted on Citizens to merely rent Apartments. So if i were you, i would look into backgrounds of those you're selling firearms to. It's the logical and safe thing to do. We as law abiding gun owners wanna do the right thing. Don't make a mistake you'll regret the rest of your life.

Don't make a mistake you'll regret the rest of your life.

And there you have it...exactly what the anti gun extremists want.....they could care less about career criminals...but they just salivate over catching some normal, good person who has no idea what the laws are.....

Like i said, there are procedures and processes you can follow to make sure you're not selling a firearm to a Felon. They're not that complicated. You as the gun seller, are responsible. The 'I didn't know' defense won't work anymore.

they are created to cost gun owners more money in order to infringe on a Right. any added cost is an infringement, which is why we do not have poll taxes on the right to vote...so the same applies to guns.

Just letting you know. The loopholes are closing. Know the backgrounds of those you're selling firearms to. Cover your ass.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Only assholes and abject fools continue to ask this same stupid question.

You've proven to be both.

Assholes and fools continue to post claims that millions of times a year a gun is used by a good guy to stop a bad thing from happening. Yet, no credible evidence is ever posted to prove the truth of thus claim.

I've made a very simple suggestion which you cannot refute, you cannot prove that licensing won't reduce the number of guns in the hands of those who should not have them in their possession.

Prove to me it won't work or continue to be the fool and asshole you are. The same challenge goes out to M14 and the dude from Cleveland - 2aguy is terminally stupid, thus I won't expect anything intelligible from that clown.

All we've asked is that you prove the dynamics behind your idea, and you can't do it.

I myself have pointed out that the mass murders that we have seen had nothing to do with registration, purchases from gun shows, or licensing. Whether legally allowed to have a firearm or not, they got one, usually through theft.

So we register all guns, now what? Do you think that's going to stop one murder when you can get a gun on the street in less than ten minutes?

That's the point. Making it more difficult to get a gun. Too fucking bad if it slightly infringes on your rights; I suspect you're one of those happy to make it more difficult to vote based on the meme that voter fraud is rampant.

If so, you too support the callous conservative ethos, "I've got mine, fuck the rest of you".

It ONLY infringes on our rights. We jump through the hoops to get the legal gun. Criminals just buy an illegal gun. Here's the inside scoop on that homes, they're CRIMINALS.

But your plan to make the streets safer to commit crimes is working. Nice body counts you're getting on these shootings, well done. You must be very proud

"criminals just buy an illegal gun"!

What makes a gun illegal (within the context of your rant)?

Selling a gun to an unlicensed person would be a criminal act. Assuming all convicted felons and persons on probation, parole or with outstanding warrants cannot have a license, or may have had one but is suspended based on such factors, anyone giving, selling, loaning such a gun is themselves a criminal, and thus no honest, law abiding citizen is infringed.

You're simply too biased or not bright enough to think through this suggestion, thus you rely on personal attacks and whine about your rights, when there are real victims whose rights are violated by the proliferation of guns in America.

Of course being an asshole can't be fixed, so Fuck off.

Okay...your stupid is showing again....

Selling a gun to an unlicensed person would be a criminal act.

Buying a gun as a felon is already a criminal act, with existing law....no need to license anyone to do that today, right this minute. True or False?

Assuming all convicted felons and persons on probation, parole or with outstanding warrants cannot have a license, or may have had one but is suspended based on such factors, anyone giving, selling, loaning such a gun is themselves a criminal, and thus no honest, law abiding citizen is infringed.

What you want to do here is target people who are selling a gun to a neighbor, who may not understand that they can't sell a gun without a license because they aren't that into gun issues. So you will focus your attention on one off, law abiding people who get tripped up by your brand new requirement to license everyone.

Of course, the real bad guys who knowingly sell large numbers of guns.....are already selling guns to felons who can't own guns and they already know they are breaking the law......and instead of focusing on them, through undercover stings, and getting felons to rat them out........you are more concerned with Joe Citizen selling his old hunting rifle to Bob the neighbor...........

Felons already know they can't buy guns or own them. So if a law abiding citizen cells a gun, unknowingly to a felon......you can already arrest the felon if you catch him with the gun.....no license is needed because you can already arrest him under existing law.

We have already thought through every aspect of your proposal and we see it for what it is......you ignore the real criminals and focus on "getting" the normal, law abiding people who do a "one off" sale of a gun.....while the real traffickers go on their merry way.....because they already know what they are doing is illegal, and are selling large numbers of guns to criminals already.

Our way...you catch a felon with a gun and arrest them...use standard police techniques to find the real gun traffickers and set up an undercover sting to actually get the real bad guys, not Joe Citizen and Bob the Neighbor.....

And, you send in police to gun shows....you have them try to buy and sell guns, clearly either stating they can't pass background checks, or saying they will ignore background checks, and then arrest the buyers and sellers that way........

That is how you do it if you care about criminals with guns.....

If you only really care about law abiding, normal people who you want to punish for wanting to own guns, you do it your way......

I'm going to try to get you to understand.

Nah. it's not worth it.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Do you realize that Illinois has licenses for all gun owners called the Firearm Owners Identification CArd.....you submit to a State Police background check and then you get your "license" and you need it to buy guns, ammo and to shoot on a commercial range, as well as to transport guns.

I have one. I have never committed a crime.

And you know what...it has no effect on the shooting gallery that we call the city of Chicago....so....with that actual application also showing how dumb gun licensing is.....why do we need it again?

I don't support those laws. But if you're gonna sell a firearm, i suggest you do your due diligence. If the purchaser turns out to be a Felon, you have to be held accountable.

Again...do you have to do due dilligence before you sell your car? To make sure the guy you are selling it to isn't a convicted drunk driver?

Again, do you have to do due dilligence before you sell your computer? To make sure the guy you are selling it to isn't a convicted child porn guy like Jared, who are banned from ever touching a computer again.

Are either of those on you?

Same for guns....the criminal knows he is breaking the law, catch him and arrest him. If you have an actual criminal gun dealer, knowingly selling to criminals in large quantities...catch him and arrest him....spend your manpower on him, not Joe Citizen.

Like i said, you can go on spinning it anyway you like, but you sell a firearm to a Felon, you have to accept responsibility and pay the piper.

Not spinning it...telling the truth. Guns are legal products and we are not cops. Making us do the work of cops to sell a legal product is insane. Catch the felon who buys the gun....they know they can't own it or carry it....you can arrest them already without licensing gun owners...

And as Illinois shows...licensing does absolutely nothing to stop criminals from getting guns....because none of the shooters in Chicago....and we have had another bloody weekend, have Firearm Owner Identification CArds...do they?

Apart from an extension of an inadequate body part ...what useful function does a gun have...is shooting bullets at cans a form of entertainment, an education for a child...if you remove all guns children will stop dying because of the careless actions of a few....agreed, only a few...but children will live ...children who would otherwise die....I am curious.... can you name something other than guns that have no function other than killing....that cause the deaths of good people....every day...not saying such a product does not exist...but, can't think of anything at the moment...cars (function), knives (function), swimming pools (function), bicycles (function)..automatically, you will say 'protection'...self defense..well, if there are no guns...man up and find a way to protect yourself.., pretend you're Monty Clift fighting Ernie Borgnine in From Here to Eternity...have some guts ...or, as most trembling cowards without a gun would do....run......there is risk in life embrace it...

You fall into this fantasy world as so many on the left do that we can get rid of guns.

We can't get rid of guns. You can make them as illegal as you desire but the bad people will always have them. That's just the simple and plain truth.

Since that is the case, we need to follow the advice of the NRA: The only way to take down a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

 

[jon_berzerk]

just because you dont know beans about humanly shooting an animal

doesnt mean everyone is like that

Observe nature and God's beautiful animals. Don't blow their spines apart.

So if they blew the cow you're eating's spine apart rather than just ramming a bolt in it's head then you would suddenly lose interest in that cheeseburger you're going to eat for lunch?

Again, most hunters don't hunt for food or survival. They hunt because they're loons who enjoy murdering innocent defenseless animals. Just pick up a hunting magazine sometime. Check out all the camo-wearing ghouls posing with their 'Trophies.' Sick flucks.

Actually virtually all hunters hunt for food, Holmes. You obviously don't know any hunters. You also don't know any gay people, it's just a fantasy you have

Another lie. Virtually all hunters hunt to kill. It's much too much work to hunt, to dress the kill and to lug it back to the vehicle.

you are just so full of shit your eyes are brown

 

[jon_berzerk]

"criminals just buy an illegal gun"!

What makes a gun illegal (within the context of your rant)?

Selling a gun to an unlicensed person would be a criminal act. Assuming all convicted felons and persons on probation, parole or with outstanding warrants cannot have a license, or may have had one but is suspended based on such factors, anyone giving, selling, loaning such a gun is themselves a criminal, and thus no honest, law abiding citizen is infringed.

You're simply too biased or not bright enough to think through this suggestion, thus you rely on personal attacks and whine about your rights, when there are real victims whose rights are violated by the proliferation of guns in America.

Of course being an asshole can't be fixed, so Fuck off.

selling or giving a gun to a felon is already a crime

True. How would you know the gun you are selling to a friend or neighbor is not a convicted felon?

It doesn't matter if I know or not.....he knows.....and when he is caught with it he goes to jail.....there is no need to bother the normal, law abiding citizen......just to show what a fair guy I am...fine the seller if he isn't a gun trafficker...say, 1000 dollars, no misdemeanor, no felony...it is enough of a punishment to cause a bite, but not extreme the way the anti gun extremists want to punish him.....

A major trafficker, who knows he is actively breaking the law, by selling lots of guns to people he knows can't own them legally.....you arrest him and send him to jail.

Leave the law abiding alone.

Are you saying you're fine with people selling guns to Felons? Are you saying the gun seller shouldn't be held accountable?

No. I am saying a gun store needs to check. A person selling one gun to a neighbor or even several shouldnt' be put in jail for it. Guns are legal products just like cars. I can sell a car to a person with a DUI who has had his license revoked without being penalized...the responsiblity is put on them, not me. The felon already knows they can't buy the gun so if he is caught with the gun you can already arrest them, right now without licensing anyone.

I say for the non trafficker, put a fine on them.....also, put out PSA about never selling guns without knowing who you are selling them to.....

That is how you target actual criminals without violating the rights of normal citizens....

felons would be excluded from having to apply for a license

 

[jon_berzerk]

Do you realize that Illinois has licenses for all gun owners called the Firearm Owners Identification CArd.....you submit to a State Police background check and then you get your "license" and you need it to buy guns, ammo and to shoot on a commercial range, as well as to transport guns.

I have one. I have never committed a crime.

And you know what...it has no effect on the shooting gallery that we call the city of Chicago....so....with that actual application also showing how dumb gun licensing is.....why do we need it again?

I don't support those laws. But if you're gonna sell a firearm, i suggest you do your due diligence. If the purchaser turns out to be a Felon, you have to be held accountable.

Again...do you have to do due dilligence before you sell your car? To make sure the guy you are selling it to isn't a convicted drunk driver?

Again, do you have to do due dilligence before you sell your computer? To make sure the guy you are selling it to isn't a convicted child porn guy like Jared, who are banned from ever touching a computer again.

Are either of those on you?

Same for guns....the criminal knows he is breaking the law, catch him and arrest him. If you have an actual criminal gun dealer, knowingly selling to criminals in large quantities...catch him and arrest him....spend your manpower on him, not Joe Citizen.

Like i said, you can go on spinning it anyway you like, but you sell a firearm to a Felon, you have to accept responsibility and pay the piper.

Not spinning it...telling the truth. Guns are legal products and we are not cops. Making us do the work of cops to sell a legal product is insane. Catch the felon who buys the gun....they know they can't own it or carry it....you can arrest them already without licensing gun owners...

And as Illinois shows...licensing does absolutely nothing to stop criminals from getting guns....because none of the shooters in Chicago....and we have had another bloody weekend, have Firearm Owner Identification CArds...do they?

Apart from an extension of an inadequate body part ...what useful function does a gun have...is shooting bullets at cans a form of entertainment, an education for a child...if you remove all guns children will stop dying because of the careless actions of a few....agreed, only a few...but children will live ...children who would otherwise die....I am curious.... can you name something other than guns that have no function other than killing....that cause the deaths of good people....every day...not saying such a product does not exist...but, can't think of anything at the moment...cars (function), knives (function), swimming pools (function), bicycles (function)..automatically, you will say 'protection'...self defense..well, if there are no guns...man up and find a way to protect yourself.., pretend you're Monty Clift fighting Ernie Borgnine in From Here to Eternity...have some guts ...or, as most trembling cowards without a gun would do....run......there is risk in life embrace it...

crack pot

 

[Wry Catcher]

Observe nature and God's beautiful animals. Don't blow their spines apart.

So if they blew the cow you're eating's spine apart rather than just ramming a bolt in it's head then you would suddenly lose interest in that cheeseburger you're going to eat for lunch?

Again, most hunters don't hunt for food or survival. They hunt because they're loons who enjoy murdering innocent defenseless animals. Just pick up a hunting magazine sometime. Check out all the camo-wearing ghouls posing with their 'Trophies.' Sick flucks.

Actually virtually all hunters hunt for food, Holmes. You obviously don't know any hunters. You also don't know any gay people, it's just a fantasy you have

Another lie. Virtually all hunters hunt to kill. It's much too much work to hunt, to dress the kill and to lug it back to the vehicle.

you are just so full of shit your eyes are brown

Green.

So it's easier and less costly to buy a gun, buy ammo, buy a license, by tags if necessary, hike around for hours, shoot and maybe kill an animal, or follow it, if it is not put down immediately, carry it out, butcher it and either give away the meat or buy a freezer, than it is to go to the market, pick out a nice steak, fire up the grill or Big Green Egg, open a beer and relax.

Good to know.

 

[jon_berzerk]

So if they blew the cow you're eating's spine apart rather than just ramming a bolt in it's head then you would suddenly lose interest in that cheeseburger you're going to eat for lunch?

Again, most hunters don't hunt for food or survival. They hunt because they're loons who enjoy murdering innocent defenseless animals. Just pick up a hunting magazine sometime. Check out all the camo-wearing ghouls posing with their 'Trophies.' Sick flucks.

Actually virtually all hunters hunt for food, Holmes. You obviously don't know any hunters. You also don't know any gay people, it's just a fantasy you have

Another lie. Virtually all hunters hunt to kill. It's much too much work to hunt, to dress the kill and to lug it back to the vehicle.

you are just so full of shit your eyes are brown

Green.

So it's easier and less costly to buy a gun, buy ammo, buy a license, by tags if necessary, hike around for hours, shoot and maybe kill an animal, or follow it, if it is not put down immediately, carry it out, butcher it and either give away the meat or buy a freezer, than it is to go to the market, pick out a nice steak, fire up the grill or Big Green Egg, open a beer and relax.

Good to know.

you are still full of shit

 

[Wry Catcher]

Again, most hunters don't hunt for food or survival. They hunt because they're loons who enjoy murdering innocent defenseless animals. Just pick up a hunting magazine sometime. Check out all the camo-wearing ghouls posing with their 'Trophies.' Sick flucks.

Actually virtually all hunters hunt for food, Holmes. You obviously don't know any hunters. You also don't know any gay people, it's just a fantasy you have

Another lie. Virtually all hunters hunt to kill. It's much too much work to hunt, to dress the kill and to lug it back to the vehicle.

you are just so full of shit your eyes are brown

Green.

So it's easier and less costly to buy a gun, buy ammo, buy a license, by tags if necessary, hike around for hours, shoot and maybe kill an animal, or follow it, if it is not put down immediately, carry it out, butcher it and either give away the meat or buy a freezer, than it is to go to the market, pick out a nice steak, fire up the grill or Big Green Egg, open a beer and relax.

Good to know.

you are still full of shit

LOL, you're not, you lack ALL substance.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So if they blew the cow you're eating's spine apart rather than just ramming a bolt in it's head then you would suddenly lose interest in that cheeseburger you're going to eat for lunch?

Again, most hunters don't hunt for food or survival. They hunt because they're loons who enjoy murdering innocent defenseless animals. Just pick up a hunting magazine sometime. Check out all the camo-wearing ghouls posing with their 'Trophies.' Sick flucks.

Actually virtually all hunters hunt for food, Holmes. You obviously don't know any hunters. You also don't know any gay people, it's just a fantasy you have

Another lie. Virtually all hunters hunt to kill. It's much too much work to hunt, to dress the kill and to lug it back to the vehicle.

you are just so full of shit your eyes are brown

Green.

So it's easier and less costly to buy a gun, buy ammo, buy a license, by tags if necessary, hike around for hours, shoot and maybe kill an animal, or follow it, if it is not put down immediately, carry it out, butcher it and either give away the meat or buy a freezer, than it is to go to the market, pick out a nice steak, fire up the grill or Big Green Egg, open a beer and relax.

Good to know.

Well I'll have you know something else: Fisherman have to buy a boat, pay insurance, pay for the gasoline to propel the boat, rent a place for storage in the winter, purchase a fishing license and equipment all to go fishing.

Do you suppose it's much cheaper for them to stop at the fish market to buy their fish instead of spending the tens of thousands of dollars that they do to catch fish themselves?