Keeping guns from criminals - liberals, what is your plan?

[2aguy]

Selling one or more guns to a neighbor is not the problem, and shouldn't be the focus.....make it a fine, say....1000 dollars a gun, no misdeneanor and no felony.....to teach him to check next time. Maybe...I'll have to think about the way the anti gun extremists could exploit that policy.

If you sell a firearm to a neighbor who's a Felon, you will have to be held accountable. You have a responsibility. A small fine isn't gonna cut it.

No you don't. Guns are legal products and we are not cops. The felon already knows that they can't buy the gun...so when he is caught you arrest him on the spot...no need to license anyone, no need to punish the law abiding citizen.

Guns are legal products. It is no different when a person who has lost their license goes to buy a used car....you do not require the seller of the car to research the driving history of the buyer or hold him to account for abuse of the car by the drunk driver. The same applies to guns.....

We are not cops. It is not on us to investigate possible criminals on our own dime....catch the felon when they have the gun....you can already arrest them, they knowingly broke the law.

There are loopholes. But they'll be closed eventually. You sell a firearm to a Felon, you need to be held accountable.

Do you realize that Illinois has licenses for all gun owners called the Firearm Owners Identification CArd.....you submit to a State Police background check and then you get your "license" and you need it to buy guns, ammo and to shoot on a commercial range, as well as to transport guns.

I have one. I have never committed a crime.

And you know what...it has no effect on the shooting gallery that we call the city of Chicago....so....with that actual application also showing how dumb gun licensing is.....why do we need it again?

I don't support those laws. But if you're gonna sell a firearm, i suggest you do your due diligence. If the purchaser turns out to be a Felon, you have to be held accountable.

Again...do you have to do due dilligence before you sell your car? To make sure the guy you are selling it to isn't a convicted drunk driver?

Again, do you have to do due dilligence before you sell your computer? To make sure the guy you are selling it to isn't a convicted child porn guy like Jared, who are banned from ever touching a computer again.

Are either of those on you?

Same for guns....the criminal knows he is breaking the law, catch him and arrest him. If you have an actual criminal gun dealer, knowingly selling to criminals in large quantities...catch him and arrest him....spend your manpower on him, not Joe Citizen.

 

[paulitician]

If you sell a firearm to a neighbor who's a Felon, you will have to be held accountable. You have a responsibility. A small fine isn't gonna cut it.

No you don't. Guns are legal products and we are not cops. The felon already knows that they can't buy the gun...so when he is caught you arrest him on the spot...no need to license anyone, no need to punish the law abiding citizen.

Guns are legal products. It is no different when a person who has lost their license goes to buy a used car....you do not require the seller of the car to research the driving history of the buyer or hold him to account for abuse of the car by the drunk driver. The same applies to guns.....

We are not cops. It is not on us to investigate possible criminals on our own dime....catch the felon when they have the gun....you can already arrest them, they knowingly broke the law.

There are loopholes. But they'll be closed eventually. You sell a firearm to a Felon, you need to be held accountable.

Do you realize that Illinois has licenses for all gun owners called the Firearm Owners Identification CArd.....you submit to a State Police background check and then you get your "license" and you need it to buy guns, ammo and to shoot on a commercial range, as well as to transport guns.

I have one. I have never committed a crime.

And you know what...it has no effect on the shooting gallery that we call the city of Chicago....so....with that actual application also showing how dumb gun licensing is.....why do we need it again?

I don't support those laws. But if you're gonna sell a firearm, i suggest you do your due diligence. If the purchaser turns out to be a Felon, you have to be held accountable.

Again...do you have to do due dilligence before you sell your car? To make sure the guy you are selling it to isn't a convicted drunk driver?

Again, do you have to do due dilligence before you sell your computer? To make sure the guy you are selling it to isn't a convicted child porn guy like Jared, who are banned from ever touching a computer again.

Are either of those on you?

Same for guns....the criminal knows he is breaking the law, catch him and arrest him. If you have an actual criminal gun dealer, knowingly selling to criminals in large quantities...catch him and arrest him....spend your manpower on him, not Joe Citizen.

Like i said, you can go on spinning it anyway you like, but you sell a firearm to a Felon, you have to accept responsibility and pay the piper. The 'I didn't know' defense isn't gonna cut it anymore.

 

[2aguy]

It doesn't matter if I know or not.....he knows.....and when he is caught with it he goes to jail.....there is no need to bother the normal, law abiding citizen......just to show what a fair guy I am...fine the seller if he isn't a gun trafficker...say, 1000 dollars, no misdemeanor, no felony...it is enough of a punishment to cause a bite, but not extreme the way the anti gun extremists want to punish him.....

A major trafficker, who knows he is actively breaking the law, by selling lots of guns to people he knows can't own them legally.....you arrest him and send him to jail.

Leave the law abiding alone.

Are you saying you're fine with people selling guns to Felons? Are you saying the gun seller shouldn't be held accountable?

No. I am saying a gun store needs to check. A person selling one gun to a neighbor or even several shouldnt' be put in jail for it. Guns are legal products just like cars. I can sell a car to a person with a DUI who has had his license revoked without being penalized...the responsiblity is put on them, not me. The felon already knows they can't buy the gun so if he is caught with the gun you can already arrest them, right now without licensing anyone.

I say for the non trafficker, put a fine on them.....also, put out PSA about never selling guns without knowing who you are selling them to.....

That is how you target actual criminals without violating the rights of normal citizens....

Sorry man, but that's a hard sell. You sell a gun to a Felon, you have to be held accountable. It's on you. And a small fine probably isn't gonna suffice.

If you sell a used car to a guy with a DUI and he drives the car and kills someone...are you on the hook for that?

No.

We are not cops....finding people breaking the law is their job, not ours. The felon already knows he can't own the gun, if you catch him with it you can send him to jail without bothering the normal, law abiding citizen.

Guns are legal products, and we are free citizens. Joe Citizen selling his hunting rifle or extra pistol to a neighbor is not the problem we have with guns in this country. The problem is criminal gangs, stealing guns (which makes licensing gun owners useless), buying from criminal gun dealers ( which makes licensing law abiding gun owners useless), using a family or friend who has a license buy the gun for them and report it stolen (Which makes licensing gun owners useless), or buying a gun from someone who already stole it ( again, making licensing gun owners pointless)


With all those ways a criminal gets passed needing a license to own a gun, the paperwork, manpower and cost to license gun owners is pointless and stupid.

You can spin it anyway you like, but you sell a firearm to a Felon, it's on you. You have to pay the price.

So do you have to do due dilligence before you sell your computer.....in case the guy you sell it to is a convicted felon for identity theft? If he then uses the computer you sold him to harm thousands of people...is that on you?

 

[2aguy]

No you don't. Guns are legal products and we are not cops. The felon already knows that they can't buy the gun...so when he is caught you arrest him on the spot...no need to license anyone, no need to punish the law abiding citizen.

Guns are legal products. It is no different when a person who has lost their license goes to buy a used car....you do not require the seller of the car to research the driving history of the buyer or hold him to account for abuse of the car by the drunk driver. The same applies to guns.....

We are not cops. It is not on us to investigate possible criminals on our own dime....catch the felon when they have the gun....you can already arrest them, they knowingly broke the law.

There are loopholes. But they'll be closed eventually. You sell a firearm to a Felon, you need to be held accountable.

Do you realize that Illinois has licenses for all gun owners called the Firearm Owners Identification CArd.....you submit to a State Police background check and then you get your "license" and you need it to buy guns, ammo and to shoot on a commercial range, as well as to transport guns.

I have one. I have never committed a crime.

And you know what...it has no effect on the shooting gallery that we call the city of Chicago....so....with that actual application also showing how dumb gun licensing is.....why do we need it again?

I don't support those laws. But if you're gonna sell a firearm, i suggest you do your due diligence. If the purchaser turns out to be a Felon, you have to be held accountable.

Again...do you have to do due dilligence before you sell your car? To make sure the guy you are selling it to isn't a convicted drunk driver?

Again, do you have to do due dilligence before you sell your computer? To make sure the guy you are selling it to isn't a convicted child porn guy like Jared, who are banned from ever touching a computer again.

Are either of those on you?

Same for guns....the criminal knows he is breaking the law, catch him and arrest him. If you have an actual criminal gun dealer, knowingly selling to criminals in large quantities...catch him and arrest him....spend your manpower on him, not Joe Citizen.

Like i said, you can go on spinning it anyway you like, but you sell a firearm to a Felon, you have to accept responsibility and pay the piper.

Not spinning it...telling the truth. Guns are legal products and we are not cops. Making us do the work of cops to sell a legal product is insane. Catch the felon who buys the gun....they know they can't own it or carry it....you can arrest them already without licensing gun owners...

And as Illinois shows...licensing does absolutely nothing to stop criminals from getting guns....because none of the shooters in Chicago....and we have had another bloody weekend, have Firearm Owner Identification CArds...do they?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Bullshit. It is your opinion, and by your avatar, your opinion is biased. The Brady Bill was not renewed do to the gun lobby, the threat to seated members of tossing support to those who wanted the Brady Bill to go away, the gun industry, the NRA and people like you.

Dipshit...the Brady Bill effect was study, the "Assault Weapon Ban" portion of the bill did nothing....considering that all long guns kill fewer people than knives or empty hands and "Assault Weapons" kill only a handful of people if any each year.....it was a dumb law.....

101 California Street shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sandy Hook Parents Sue Bushmaster: You Sold ‘Weapon of Choice’ for Mass Murderers

Federal Assault Weapons Ban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Why Gun Control Groups Have Moved Away from an Assault Weapons Ban

There is more too the story of the Brady Bill than those partisans put forth and the idiots on the right echo.

You know what none of those do? Tell us how you are going to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. All you're proposing is limiting our ability to defend ourselves. Criminals love these laws, it makes them a lot safer

You're either stupid, or a damn liar. I suspect both.

Thanks for conceding defeat.
Your argument is proven ineffective and you go to the personal attack.

Stating a fact [You're either stupid, or a damn liar. I suspect both.] isn't a personal attack, it's an observation based on your mendacity and lack our comprehension.

Stop lying, and - if you can - think about my posts. Misrepresentation is dishonest and is used by those incapable of writing a substantive rebuttal.

 

[paulitician]

Are you saying you're fine with people selling guns to Felons? Are you saying the gun seller shouldn't be held accountable?

No. I am saying a gun store needs to check. A person selling one gun to a neighbor or even several shouldnt' be put in jail for it. Guns are legal products just like cars. I can sell a car to a person with a DUI who has had his license revoked without being penalized...the responsiblity is put on them, not me. The felon already knows they can't buy the gun so if he is caught with the gun you can already arrest them, right now without licensing anyone.

I say for the non trafficker, put a fine on them.....also, put out PSA about never selling guns without knowing who you are selling them to.....

That is how you target actual criminals without violating the rights of normal citizens....

Sorry man, but that's a hard sell. You sell a gun to a Felon, you have to be held accountable. It's on you. And a small fine probably isn't gonna suffice.

If you sell a used car to a guy with a DUI and he drives the car and kills someone...are you on the hook for that?

No.

We are not cops....finding people breaking the law is their job, not ours. The felon already knows he can't own the gun, if you catch him with it you can send him to jail without bothering the normal, law abiding citizen.

Guns are legal products, and we are free citizens. Joe Citizen selling his hunting rifle or extra pistol to a neighbor is not the problem we have with guns in this country. The problem is criminal gangs, stealing guns (which makes licensing gun owners useless), buying from criminal gun dealers ( which makes licensing law abiding gun owners useless), using a family or friend who has a license buy the gun for them and report it stolen (Which makes licensing gun owners useless), or buying a gun from someone who already stole it ( again, making licensing gun owners pointless)


With all those ways a criminal gets passed needing a license to own a gun, the paperwork, manpower and cost to license gun owners is pointless and stupid.

You can spin it anyway you like, but you sell a firearm to a Felon, it's on you. You have to pay the price.

So do you have to do due dilligence before you sell your computer.....in case the guy you sell it to is a convicted felon for identity theft? If he then uses the computer you sold him to harm thousands of people...is that on you?

Obviously Apples & Oranges. My advice would be to avoid selling guns to neighbors and acquaintances. Unless you do the proper due diligence.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I've made a very simple suggestion which you cannot refute, you cannot prove that licensing won't reduce the number of guns in the hands of those who should not have them in their possession.

So that was your plan to keep guns out of the hands of criminals? Seriously? Prove you wrong? Can't make up the stupid that you actually are. And it doesn't even need to work, just "reduce" the guns in the hands of criminals. One gun denied and you win. In your mind. That's classic.

OK, here is my proof it doesn't work. The Washington Navy Yard, Virginia Tech, Sandy Hook, Aurora, Columbine, our inner cities, drug lords. Seriously, you think licensing is working? When victims can't defend themselves and shooters run straight to gun free zones where you ensure their safety, at least until they get an acceptable body count?

There are millions of guns in this country and when you have 100 people in a sandy hook elementary school your plan is rather than allowing any of them to be armed, you're going to try to keep the millions of guns away from the nut bag. And your plan, Prove me wrong! How'd that work out for you?

I just had another thought. Kids can buy all the pot they want, even when it's outright illegal. How would you ever prevent criminals from getting any of the millions of guns in this country or the millions more outside the country when you also fight to keep the borders open and anyone who wants flowing freely into this country so they can vote for Democrats.

You're a deep shade of stupid.

Fuck you!

"See how easy it is to post a personal attack, two words. That you need paragraphs shows just how fucking incompetent you are.

I've offered a hypothesis, the only way to prove it won't work is to try it. All the crap posted by the four Stooges haven't proved anything beyond their collective incompetence.

DC, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut and California have all tried "it". "It" has been ineffective.

Your opinion, or do you have evidence to support your comment?

 

[paulitician]

There are loopholes. But they'll be closed eventually. You sell a firearm to a Felon, you need to be held accountable.

Do you realize that Illinois has licenses for all gun owners called the Firearm Owners Identification CArd.....you submit to a State Police background check and then you get your "license" and you need it to buy guns, ammo and to shoot on a commercial range, as well as to transport guns.

I have one. I have never committed a crime.

And you know what...it has no effect on the shooting gallery that we call the city of Chicago....so....with that actual application also showing how dumb gun licensing is.....why do we need it again?

I don't support those laws. But if you're gonna sell a firearm, i suggest you do your due diligence. If the purchaser turns out to be a Felon, you have to be held accountable.

Again...do you have to do due dilligence before you sell your car? To make sure the guy you are selling it to isn't a convicted drunk driver?

Again, do you have to do due dilligence before you sell your computer? To make sure the guy you are selling it to isn't a convicted child porn guy like Jared, who are banned from ever touching a computer again.

Are either of those on you?

Same for guns....the criminal knows he is breaking the law, catch him and arrest him. If you have an actual criminal gun dealer, knowingly selling to criminals in large quantities...catch him and arrest him....spend your manpower on him, not Joe Citizen.

Like i said, you can go on spinning it anyway you like, but you sell a firearm to a Felon, you have to accept responsibility and pay the piper.

Not spinning it...telling the truth. Guns are legal products and we are not cops. Making us do the work of cops to sell a legal product is insane. Catch the felon who buys the gun....they know they can't own it or carry it....you can arrest them already without licensing gun owners...

And as Illinois shows...licensing does absolutely nothing to stop criminals from getting guns....because none of the shooters in Chicago....and we have had another bloody weekend, have Firearm Owner Identification CArds...do they?

I don't support Illinois gun regulations. But i can't let you slide if you sell a firearm to a Felon. You gotta go down. Sorry, but you knew the risks involved.

 

[2aguy]

No. I am saying a gun store needs to check. A person selling one gun to a neighbor or even several shouldnt' be put in jail for it. Guns are legal products just like cars. I can sell a car to a person with a DUI who has had his license revoked without being penalized...the responsiblity is put on them, not me. The felon already knows they can't buy the gun so if he is caught with the gun you can already arrest them, right now without licensing anyone.

I say for the non trafficker, put a fine on them.....also, put out PSA about never selling guns without knowing who you are selling them to.....

That is how you target actual criminals without violating the rights of normal citizens....

Sorry man, but that's a hard sell. You sell a gun to a Felon, you have to be held accountable. It's on you. And a small fine probably isn't gonna suffice.

If you sell a used car to a guy with a DUI and he drives the car and kills someone...are you on the hook for that?

No.

We are not cops....finding people breaking the law is their job, not ours. The felon already knows he can't own the gun, if you catch him with it you can send him to jail without bothering the normal, law abiding citizen.

Guns are legal products, and we are free citizens. Joe Citizen selling his hunting rifle or extra pistol to a neighbor is not the problem we have with guns in this country. The problem is criminal gangs, stealing guns (which makes licensing gun owners useless), buying from criminal gun dealers ( which makes licensing law abiding gun owners useless), using a family or friend who has a license buy the gun for them and report it stolen (Which makes licensing gun owners useless), or buying a gun from someone who already stole it ( again, making licensing gun owners pointless)


With all those ways a criminal gets passed needing a license to own a gun, the paperwork, manpower and cost to license gun owners is pointless and stupid.

You can spin it anyway you like, but you sell a firearm to a Felon, it's on you. You have to pay the price.

So do you have to do due dilligence before you sell your computer.....in case the guy you sell it to is a convicted felon for identity theft? If he then uses the computer you sold him to harm thousands of people...is that on you?

Obviously Apples & Oranges. My advice would be to avoid selling guns to neighbors and acquaintances. Unless you do the proper due diligence.

How is that apples and oranges......it is the same thing. Would you also avoid selling your car or your computer until you do your due dilligence.....you don't think that human traffickers need computers to do their business....if you sold a computer to someone who was involved in trafficking young children...would you be on the hook for selling him the computer......considering some of them can't touch or buy a computer by law....as part of their sentence...so would be looking for a used computer with no paper trail?

The same thing.

 

[Wry Catcher]

If you get a hard-on over blowing a deer's spine apart, you're a twisted fuck. It is what it is.

just because you dont know beans about humanly shooting an animal

doesnt mean everyone is like that

Observe nature and God's beautiful animals. Don't blow their spines apart.

So if they blew the cow you're eating's spine apart rather than just ramming a bolt in it's head then you would suddenly lose interest in that cheeseburger you're going to eat for lunch?

Again, most hunters don't hunt for food or survival. They hunt because they're loons who enjoy murdering innocent defenseless animals. Just pick up a hunting magazine sometime. Check out all the camo-wearing ghouls posing with their 'Trophies.' Sick flucks.

Actually virtually all hunters hunt for food, Holmes. You obviously don't know any hunters. You also don't know any gay people, it's just a fantasy you have

Another lie. Virtually all hunters hunt to kill. It's much too much work to hunt, to dress the kill and to lug it back to the vehicle.

 

[2aguy]

Do you realize that Illinois has licenses for all gun owners called the Firearm Owners Identification CArd.....you submit to a State Police background check and then you get your "license" and you need it to buy guns, ammo and to shoot on a commercial range, as well as to transport guns.

I have one. I have never committed a crime.

And you know what...it has no effect on the shooting gallery that we call the city of Chicago....so....with that actual application also showing how dumb gun licensing is.....why do we need it again?

I don't support those laws. But if you're gonna sell a firearm, i suggest you do your due diligence. If the purchaser turns out to be a Felon, you have to be held accountable.

Again...do you have to do due dilligence before you sell your car? To make sure the guy you are selling it to isn't a convicted drunk driver?

Again, do you have to do due dilligence before you sell your computer? To make sure the guy you are selling it to isn't a convicted child porn guy like Jared, who are banned from ever touching a computer again.

Are either of those on you?

Same for guns....the criminal knows he is breaking the law, catch him and arrest him. If you have an actual criminal gun dealer, knowingly selling to criminals in large quantities...catch him and arrest him....spend your manpower on him, not Joe Citizen.

Like i said, you can go on spinning it anyway you like, but you sell a firearm to a Felon, you have to accept responsibility and pay the piper.

Not spinning it...telling the truth. Guns are legal products and we are not cops. Making us do the work of cops to sell a legal product is insane. Catch the felon who buys the gun....they know they can't own it or carry it....you can arrest them already without licensing gun owners...

And as Illinois shows...licensing does absolutely nothing to stop criminals from getting guns....because none of the shooters in Chicago....and we have had another bloody weekend, have Firearm Owner Identification CArds...do they?

I don't support Illinois gun regulations. But i can't let you slide if you sell a firearm to a Felon. You gotta go down. Sorry, but you knew the risks involved.

No...no you don't.....many gun owners buy a gun and then never keep up with the anti gun extremists and the laws they pass to specifically trip up law abiding gun owners. To them the gun is no different than a fishing rod or a computer or a car.

They are not a criminal for selling their gun....you guys want to make them into criminals...I want to arrest real criminals.

 

[2aguy]

Do you realize that Illinois has licenses for all gun owners called the Firearm Owners Identification CArd.....you submit to a State Police background check and then you get your "license" and you need it to buy guns, ammo and to shoot on a commercial range, as well as to transport guns.

I have one. I have never committed a crime.

And you know what...it has no effect on the shooting gallery that we call the city of Chicago....so....with that actual application also showing how dumb gun licensing is.....why do we need it again?

I don't support those laws. But if you're gonna sell a firearm, i suggest you do your due diligence. If the purchaser turns out to be a Felon, you have to be held accountable.

Again...do you have to do due dilligence before you sell your car? To make sure the guy you are selling it to isn't a convicted drunk driver?

Again, do you have to do due dilligence before you sell your computer? To make sure the guy you are selling it to isn't a convicted child porn guy like Jared, who are banned from ever touching a computer again.

Are either of those on you?

Same for guns....the criminal knows he is breaking the law, catch him and arrest him. If you have an actual criminal gun dealer, knowingly selling to criminals in large quantities...catch him and arrest him....spend your manpower on him, not Joe Citizen.

Like i said, you can go on spinning it anyway you like, but you sell a firearm to a Felon, you have to accept responsibility and pay the piper.

Not spinning it...telling the truth. Guns are legal products and we are not cops. Making us do the work of cops to sell a legal product is insane. Catch the felon who buys the gun....they know they can't own it or carry it....you can arrest them already without licensing gun owners...

And as Illinois shows...licensing does absolutely nothing to stop criminals from getting guns....because none of the shooters in Chicago....and we have had another bloody weekend, have Firearm Owner Identification CArds...do they?

I don't support Illinois gun regulations. But i can't let you slide if you sell a firearm to a Felon. You gotta go down. Sorry, but you knew the risks involved.

So you don't support licensing gun owners?

 

[paulitician]

just because you dont know beans about humanly shooting an animal

doesnt mean everyone is like that

Observe nature and God's beautiful animals. Don't blow their spines apart.

So if they blew the cow you're eating's spine apart rather than just ramming a bolt in it's head then you would suddenly lose interest in that cheeseburger you're going to eat for lunch?

Again, most hunters don't hunt for food or survival. They hunt because they're loons who enjoy murdering innocent defenseless animals. Just pick up a hunting magazine sometime. Check out all the camo-wearing ghouls posing with their 'Trophies.' Sick flucks.

Actually virtually all hunters hunt for food, Holmes. You obviously don't know any hunters. You also don't know any gay people, it's just a fantasy you have

Another lie. Virtually all hunters hunt to kill. It's much too much work to hunt, to dress the kill and to lug it back to the vehicle.

It's 'Trophy Hunting.' Check out an average hunting magazine. All those camo-wearing douchebags posing with their tortured 'Trophies.' I truly despise them.

 

[paulitician]

I don't support those laws. But if you're gonna sell a firearm, i suggest you do your due diligence. If the purchaser turns out to be a Felon, you have to be held accountable.

Again...do you have to do due dilligence before you sell your car? To make sure the guy you are selling it to isn't a convicted drunk driver?

Again, do you have to do due dilligence before you sell your computer? To make sure the guy you are selling it to isn't a convicted child porn guy like Jared, who are banned from ever touching a computer again.

Are either of those on you?

Same for guns....the criminal knows he is breaking the law, catch him and arrest him. If you have an actual criminal gun dealer, knowingly selling to criminals in large quantities...catch him and arrest him....spend your manpower on him, not Joe Citizen.

Like i said, you can go on spinning it anyway you like, but you sell a firearm to a Felon, you have to accept responsibility and pay the piper.

Not spinning it...telling the truth. Guns are legal products and we are not cops. Making us do the work of cops to sell a legal product is insane. Catch the felon who buys the gun....they know they can't own it or carry it....you can arrest them already without licensing gun owners...

And as Illinois shows...licensing does absolutely nothing to stop criminals from getting guns....because none of the shooters in Chicago....and we have had another bloody weekend, have Firearm Owner Identification CArds...do they?

I don't support Illinois gun regulations. But i can't let you slide if you sell a firearm to a Felon. You gotta go down. Sorry, but you knew the risks involved.

No...no you don't.....many gun owners buy a gun and then never keep up with the anti gun extremists and the laws they pass to specifically trip up law abiding gun owners. To them the gun is no different than a fishing rod or a computer or a car.

They are not a criminal for selling their gun....you guys want to make them into criminals...I want to arrest real criminals.

No one's tripping you up. You sold the firearm. It's on you. There are processes you can engage in to make sure the purchaser isn't a Felon. If you choose not to do due diligence, you could pay a hefty price.

 

[paulitician]

I don't support those laws. But if you're gonna sell a firearm, i suggest you do your due diligence. If the purchaser turns out to be a Felon, you have to be held accountable.

Again...do you have to do due dilligence before you sell your car? To make sure the guy you are selling it to isn't a convicted drunk driver?

Again, do you have to do due dilligence before you sell your computer? To make sure the guy you are selling it to isn't a convicted child porn guy like Jared, who are banned from ever touching a computer again.

Are either of those on you?

Same for guns....the criminal knows he is breaking the law, catch him and arrest him. If you have an actual criminal gun dealer, knowingly selling to criminals in large quantities...catch him and arrest him....spend your manpower on him, not Joe Citizen.

Like i said, you can go on spinning it anyway you like, but you sell a firearm to a Felon, you have to accept responsibility and pay the piper.

Not spinning it...telling the truth. Guns are legal products and we are not cops. Making us do the work of cops to sell a legal product is insane. Catch the felon who buys the gun....they know they can't own it or carry it....you can arrest them already without licensing gun owners...

And as Illinois shows...licensing does absolutely nothing to stop criminals from getting guns....because none of the shooters in Chicago....and we have had another bloody weekend, have Firearm Owner Identification CArds...do they?

I don't support Illinois gun regulations. But i can't let you slide if you sell a firearm to a Felon. You gotta go down. Sorry, but you knew the risks involved.

So you don't support licensing gun owners?

No. I think most Illinois gun regulations are pitiful. That being said, you as the gun seller better do your due diligence before selling a firearm to anyone. You do have a responsibility.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Check out a hunting magazine cover sometime. Those despicable cretins don't hunt for food or survival. They hunt for 'Trophies.' They enjoy killing & maiming innocent defenseless animals. They're deranged pussies.

Did you know that camo isn't just an erotic gay sex pattern you wear on weekends, but it helps hunters to not be seen by their prey?

Ha, they're dumb loons hiding in trees waiting for an animal to walk by. Not 'Sporting' at all. They should call it 'Waiting' instead. Because that's all they're doing. Obviously an animal is gonna walk by at some point. It's the bleepin woods for God's sake!

And i especially despise the pussies who use attractants like salt blocks and sprays. I mean really? Attracting a poor hungry animal to you just so you can brutally murder it? Wow, pretty damn sick. Yeah, put the camo away and find another hobby.

But someone putting a bolt through a cow's head so you can shred and cook it, that's not "murder," is it Holmes? What if hunters eat their meat with fries and slaw like you do? Would it be cool then?

Then go work in a slaughterhouse. At least then i could give you some credibility. Because i don't buy your 'I hunt for food' B.S. Hunters hunt because they like killing and maiming. It's not for food or survival.

I don't hunt at all, dumb ass. What part of I'm a vegetarian don't you grasp? I do like to shoot targets, like skeet. But I've not been out for a while. When I retire I'd like to do that again and take up golf again.

As for the slaughterhouse, you're not a hypocrite for eating meat while everything you say is pure hypocrisy over your own diet and how they kill your animals if I work in a slaughterhouse? You're going to have to explain that one. It's vacuous ... even for you ...

You're not retired? LOL, you seem to spend 20 hours a day posting, yet claim to own a restaurant (BTW, is it a Vegan Restaurant, or do you hire hunters to kill the food you sell?).

 

[2aguy]

Again...do you have to do due dilligence before you sell your car? To make sure the guy you are selling it to isn't a convicted drunk driver?

Again, do you have to do due dilligence before you sell your computer? To make sure the guy you are selling it to isn't a convicted child porn guy like Jared, who are banned from ever touching a computer again.

Are either of those on you?

Same for guns....the criminal knows he is breaking the law, catch him and arrest him. If you have an actual criminal gun dealer, knowingly selling to criminals in large quantities...catch him and arrest him....spend your manpower on him, not Joe Citizen.

Like i said, you can go on spinning it anyway you like, but you sell a firearm to a Felon, you have to accept responsibility and pay the piper.

Not spinning it...telling the truth. Guns are legal products and we are not cops. Making us do the work of cops to sell a legal product is insane. Catch the felon who buys the gun....they know they can't own it or carry it....you can arrest them already without licensing gun owners...

And as Illinois shows...licensing does absolutely nothing to stop criminals from getting guns....because none of the shooters in Chicago....and we have had another bloody weekend, have Firearm Owner Identification CArds...do they?

I don't support Illinois gun regulations. But i can't let you slide if you sell a firearm to a Felon. You gotta go down. Sorry, but you knew the risks involved.

No...no you don't.....many gun owners buy a gun and then never keep up with the anti gun extremists and the laws they pass to specifically trip up law abiding gun owners. To them the gun is no different than a fishing rod or a computer or a car.

They are not a criminal for selling their gun....you guys want to make them into criminals...I want to arrest real criminals.

No one's tripping you up. You sold the firearm. It's on you. There are processes you can engage in to make sure the purchaser isn't a Felon. If you choose not to do due diligence, you could pay a hefty price.

Again...do you need to do the same thing for computers...do you think that children aren't harmed or murdered because a pedophile has access to an illegal computer?

What about cars...a person without a license to drive can still kill with your car if you sell it to him...right? And drunk drivers kill far more people than guns do...right?

We are not cops, and are not being paid to research the criminal history of people we know. You want to trip up law abiding people, I don't. Catch the criminals...don't make new ones who don't need to be made into criminals.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I've made a very simple suggestion which you cannot refute, you cannot prove that licensing won't reduce the number of guns in the hands of those who should not have them in their possession.

So that was your plan to keep guns out of the hands of criminals? Seriously? Prove you wrong? Can't make up the stupid that you actually are. And it doesn't even need to work, just "reduce" the guns in the hands of criminals. One gun denied and you win. In your mind. That's classic.

OK, here is my proof it doesn't work. The Washington Navy Yard, Virginia Tech, Sandy Hook, Aurora, Columbine, our inner cities, drug lords. Seriously, you think licensing is working? When victims can't defend themselves and shooters run straight to gun free zones where you ensure their safety, at least until they get an acceptable body count?

There are millions of guns in this country and when you have 100 people in a sandy hook elementary school your plan is rather than allowing any of them to be armed, you're going to try to keep the millions of guns away from the nut bag. And your plan, Prove me wrong! How'd that work out for you?

I just had another thought. Kids can buy all the pot they want, even when it's outright illegal. How would you ever prevent criminals from getting any of the millions of guns in this country or the millions more outside the country when you also fight to keep the borders open and anyone who wants flowing freely into this country so they can vote for Democrats.

You're a deep shade of stupid.

Fuck you!

"See how easy it is to post a personal attack, two words. That you need paragraphs shows just how fucking incompetent you are.

I've offered a hypothesis, the only way to prove it won't work is to try it. All the crap posted by the four Stooges haven't proved anything beyond their collective incompetence.

It has been tried here in Illinois....it is called the Firearm Owners Identification Card...I have one, you need to show it whenever you buy a gun or buy ammo.......every single time.....you have to show it to go on a shooting range as well....


How is the FOID card working in Chicago...is it keeping the gun murder rate down there?

So dumb. Um, if Joe sells a gun to Jim does Jim need to show his card to Joe? Is the sale reported to a state or local agency? If not, your point is laughable.

 

[paulitician]

Like i said, you can go on spinning it anyway you like, but you sell a firearm to a Felon, you have to accept responsibility and pay the piper.

Not spinning it...telling the truth. Guns are legal products and we are not cops. Making us do the work of cops to sell a legal product is insane. Catch the felon who buys the gun....they know they can't own it or carry it....you can arrest them already without licensing gun owners...

And as Illinois shows...licensing does absolutely nothing to stop criminals from getting guns....because none of the shooters in Chicago....and we have had another bloody weekend, have Firearm Owner Identification CArds...do they?

I don't support Illinois gun regulations. But i can't let you slide if you sell a firearm to a Felon. You gotta go down. Sorry, but you knew the risks involved.

No...no you don't.....many gun owners buy a gun and then never keep up with the anti gun extremists and the laws they pass to specifically trip up law abiding gun owners. To them the gun is no different than a fishing rod or a computer or a car.

They are not a criminal for selling their gun....you guys want to make them into criminals...I want to arrest real criminals.

No one's tripping you up. You sold the firearm. It's on you. There are processes you can engage in to make sure the purchaser isn't a Felon. If you choose not to do due diligence, you could pay a hefty price.

Again...do you need to do the same thing for computers...do you think that children aren't harmed or murdered because a pedophile has access to an illegal computer?

What about cars...a person without a license to drive can still kill with your car if you sell it to him...right? And drunk drivers kill far more people than guns do...right?

We are not cops, and are not being paid to research the criminal history of people we know. You want to trip up law abiding people, I don't. Catch the criminals...don't make new ones who don't need to be made into criminals.

Again, Apples & Oranges. Just be very careful who you sell firearms to. You could be on the hook. And rightfully so.

 

[2aguy]

I've made a very simple suggestion which you cannot refute, you cannot prove that licensing won't reduce the number of guns in the hands of those who should not have them in their possession.

So that was your plan to keep guns out of the hands of criminals? Seriously? Prove you wrong? Can't make up the stupid that you actually are. And it doesn't even need to work, just "reduce" the guns in the hands of criminals. One gun denied and you win. In your mind. That's classic.

OK, here is my proof it doesn't work. The Washington Navy Yard, Virginia Tech, Sandy Hook, Aurora, Columbine, our inner cities, drug lords. Seriously, you think licensing is working? When victims can't defend themselves and shooters run straight to gun free zones where you ensure their safety, at least until they get an acceptable body count?

There are millions of guns in this country and when you have 100 people in a sandy hook elementary school your plan is rather than allowing any of them to be armed, you're going to try to keep the millions of guns away from the nut bag. And your plan, Prove me wrong! How'd that work out for you?

I just had another thought. Kids can buy all the pot they want, even when it's outright illegal. How would you ever prevent criminals from getting any of the millions of guns in this country or the millions more outside the country when you also fight to keep the borders open and anyone who wants flowing freely into this country so they can vote for Democrats.

You're a deep shade of stupid.

Fuck you!

"See how easy it is to post a personal attack, two words. That you need paragraphs shows just how fucking incompetent you are.

I've offered a hypothesis, the only way to prove it won't work is to try it. All the crap posted by the four Stooges haven't proved anything beyond their collective incompetence.

It has been tried here in Illinois....it is called the Firearm Owners Identification Card...I have one, you need to show it whenever you buy a gun or buy ammo.......every single time.....you have to show it to go on a shooting range as well....


How is the FOID card working in Chicago...is it keeping the gun murder rate down there?

So dumb. Um, if Joe sells a gun to Jim does Jim need to show his card to Joe? Is the sale reported to a state or local agency? If not, your point is laughable.

You have to keep a record of the sale dipshit......and if you think that the guns the gangs are using in chicago are coming from Joe Citizen selling his hunting rifle you are as stupid as you post.