Kenosha: Trump declines to condemn violence from his supporters

[westwall]

Did you honestly expect Drumpf to actually condemn the thug? Drumpf loves the chaos and he loves manipulating the atmosphere and his dumb supporters. Hes going to get alot of people killed if this continues to escalate.

Condemn him for what? Defending himself against violent felons trying to murder him?

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[Oldestyle]

If Democratic leaders of cities refuse to keep order and also refuse help from the Federal Government...then private citizens will have no choice but to defend themselves. That ISN'T on Trump...that's on the Democrats that are letting this happen in THEIR cities!

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Then let the locals handle it. Don't import rtwingnutjobs. If the Locals want it stopped, it's going to get stopped. And tell Rump to STFU. He is just making things worse.

The "locals" are being overwhelmed by the Antifa and BLM anarchists that are coming from all over the country to riot. Trump is making it worse when he offers Federal help to quell the violence? Interesting concept.

 

[protectionist]

Then let the locals handle it. Don't import rtwingnutjobs. If the Locals want it stopped, it's going to get stopped. And tell Rump to STFU. He is just making things worse.

Problem (as we all know) is the local leaders DON'T want it stopped. If they did, the would stop it. They are not adequately handling it. So to protect property from arsonist/looter mobs, people have to stand guard over their property. And when the leftwingnutjobs sit back and allow this lunacy, then Yes, the higher authorities must step in and take charge.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Trump is allowing a 17-year-old vigilante gunman to fight illegal battles for him.

Trump defends accused Kenosha gunman, declines to condemn violence from his supporters

Let us be clear: The President is acting like a retarded juvenile proto-fascist and encouraging law breaking vigilante violence. Civilians shooting other civilians, even children crossing state lines with automatic weapons to play cops, provoke and kill unarmed demonstrators, is what this president now stands for. That child is not nearly so responsible as the president himself. Trump is crossing a line here. If re-elected Trump will quite evidently lead his followers to unleashing serious bloodshed, which will create more violence in response. The ultimate result will quite possibly be a declaration of marshal law and the destruction of representative democracy.

Already the Protesters are going armed and are willing to use the weapons. If the Secret Army of the Rump shows up, get ready for a shootout. And the Protesters will always outnumber the Army of the Rump who are willing to stand on the firing line. The rapid increase in weapon sales was not just the rtwingnutjob gunnutters. It was also the Leftwingnutjobs.

The felons who tried to kill this kid bit off more than they could chew. He was guarding a business at the request of the business owner.

He was attacked by multiple violent convicted felons and he showed remarkable restraint in only shooting those at extreme close range.

Oh, Horsefeathers. There is no evidence that the Business owner requested that the kid protect his business. Stop throwing crap at the wall hoping something will stick.

 

[protectionist]

Because trump is a clear and present danger. I wonder why moronic reactionaries like yourself post.

YOU are a clear and present danger. You want to charge a 17 year old kid with a slew of serious felonies, including 1st degree murder, when he was just defending himself from a maniacal mob. You're insane, an idiot, or both.

 

[Oldestyle]

Trump is allowing a 17-year-old vigilante gunman to fight illegal battles for him.

Trump defends accused Kenosha gunman, declines to condemn violence from his supporters

Let us be clear: The President is acting like a retarded juvenile proto-fascist and encouraging law breaking vigilante violence. Civilians shooting other civilians, even children crossing state lines with automatic weapons to play cops, provoke and kill unarmed demonstrators, is what this president now stands for. That child is not nearly so responsible as the president himself. Trump is crossing a line here. If re-elected Trump will quite evidently lead his followers to unleashing serious bloodshed, which will create more violence in response. The ultimate result will quite possibly be a declaration of marshal law and the destruction of representative democracy.

Let's be clear. You are posting a pile of BULLSHIT. Yes, Trump defends Kyle Rittenhouse. So do I. That's because he was not doing anything wrong or illegal, and is now being politically railroaded by a staunchly Democrat city, accusing him of first degree murder, which is preposterous.

The only individuals that Kyle Rittenhouse shot, were three individuals that were attacking him, and putting him at risk of serious bodily harm or death. He shot in self-defense which is perfectly legal and correct.

What is not perfectly legal and correct, is the tolerance of massive illegal mob violence by airhead idiots who are rioting over absolutely NOTHING. The people who are accusing Rittenhouse of murder, should themselves be in jail at this moment, for they are just as guilty as the mindless baboons running wild in the streets.

Kenosha mayor John Antaramian also fueled the rioting by calling the shooting of Jason Blake "unacceptable". FALSE! The shooting was ACCEPTABLE, and 100% JUSTIFIABLE, and a mirror image of the shooting of Terrence Crutcher in 2016, in which the police officer shooter, Betty Shelby, was cleared of all charges.

The kid crossed state lines specifically to committ an offense under Wisconsin law, as anyone under 18 is not allow to carry a a weapon without supervision and the illinois militia members do not have standing. It was against Wisconsin law for him to be there on the streets armed in the first place and he traveled interstate to commit the offense.

Interesting. You know Rittenhouse's intent, White? How exactly?
As for Wisconsin law? There was a curfew in place. Both Rittenhouse and the men who attacked him were in violation of that curfew. You charge one side then you need to charge the other as well. That isn't being done by the political leaders.

If he intended to be armed in Wisconsin and below age of 18 he intended to commit an offense under Wisconsin law whether he knew it or not. Anytime I carry across state lines I familiarize myself with the weapons laws of the state I travel to before I go, even though I am licensed, just as instructed in the class I took. Not as critical for me as I am covered by a lot of reciprocal agreements between states, but there is no reciprocal agreement covering the kid in this case.

Do you understand what "intent" means, White? It doesn't sound like you do...

 

[westwall]

Trump is allowing a 17-year-old vigilante gunman to fight illegal battles for him.

Trump defends accused Kenosha gunman, declines to condemn violence from his supporters

Let us be clear: The President is acting like a retarded juvenile proto-fascist and encouraging law breaking vigilante violence. Civilians shooting other civilians, even children crossing state lines with automatic weapons to play cops, provoke and kill unarmed demonstrators, is what this president now stands for. That child is not nearly so responsible as the president himself. Trump is crossing a line here. If re-elected Trump will quite evidently lead his followers to unleashing serious bloodshed, which will create more violence in response. The ultimate result will quite possibly be a declaration of marshal law and the destruction of representative democracy.

I watched the press briefing and Trump did not, I repeat, did not defend the shooter. He said he was looking into it and it looked like the kid was being attacked and his action was self defense. Your comments are a fabrication and a damn lie. Reuters as well is lying and played word games. It's no wonder that Democraps are fucked up in the head from believing fake news all the time.

It has been my experience that leftists here like to use the clean debate forum when they know they are lying.

It can't really be a clean debate, though, when it starts off so dirty

Wow, if the facts don't line up with your narrative, it's all lies. Gotcha'.

Well, the facts are quite clear that Kyle was not committing a single crime, was helping injured people and trying to put fires out.

Then he was attacked by three violent felons and he killed two, and maimed one in a remarkable bit of control.

You support pedophiles, and girlfriend rape/torturers. What the hell is wrong with you?

 

[westwall]

Trump is allowing a 17-year-old vigilante gunman to fight illegal battles for him.

Trump defends accused Kenosha gunman, declines to condemn violence from his supporters

Let us be clear: The President is acting like a retarded juvenile proto-fascist and encouraging law breaking vigilante violence. Civilians shooting other civilians, even children crossing state lines with automatic weapons to play cops, provoke and kill unarmed demonstrators, is what this president now stands for. That child is not nearly so responsible as the president himself. Trump is crossing a line here. If re-elected Trump will quite evidently lead his followers to unleashing serious bloodshed, which will create more violence in response. The ultimate result will quite possibly be a declaration of marshal law and the destruction of representative democracy.

What is illegal about defending yourself against armed attackers?

Let's shoot down some liberal arguments:

1. "He was too young to carry a gun."

Answer: Wrong, in Wisconsin 16 and 17yo's can have rifles and shotguns, as they are used to hunt.

2. He was illegally open carrying.

Answer: Wrong. Wisconsin is an open carry state.

3. He broke the law using deadly force.

Answer: Wrong. When attacked by someone who is chasing you that is fear for your life. Deadly force is reasonable.

4. He illegally transported the gun across state lines.

Answer: Wrong. The gun belonged to his friend, a Wisconsin resident. It never crossed state lines.

What to know about Wisconsin's open-carry laws, self defense and more in Kenosha protest shootings

Answers to questions like does Wisconsin have a stand-your-ground law and other relevant information on the fatal Kenosha shootings.

www.jsonline.com

While 16 and 17 year olds can have guns for hunting, there are requirements involved. Here's the relevant statutes from my searching:

Wisconsin Legislature: 948.60

docs.legis.wisconsin.gov

Unless Rittenhouse was certified for hunting, and possibly unless he had the gun specifically for the purposes of hunting (I'm not certain about that), he had it illegally, based on those statutes. Even with that certification, if the rifle fits the criteria of a short barreled rifle, it would still be illegal.

It's a misdemeanor crime. Whoever gave or lent the gun to him, on the other hand, is apparently guilty of a felony.

It's not an SBR, not even close. Where do you come up with that nonsense?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Then let the locals handle it. Don't import rtwingnutjobs. If the Locals want it stopped, it's going to get stopped. And tell Rump to STFU. He is just making things worse.

Problem (as we all know) is the local leaders DON'T want it stopped. If they did, the would stop it. They are not adequately handling it. So to protect property from arsonist/looter mobs, people have to stand guard over their property. And when the leftwingnutjobs sit back and allow this lunacy, then Yes, the higher authorities must step in and take charge.

It's a State and Local problem,, not a Federal one. If the State and Locals want it that way, then so be it. But that lasts only so long.

 

[westwall]

Trump is allowing a 17-year-old vigilante gunman to fight illegal battles for him.

Trump defends accused Kenosha gunman, declines to condemn violence from his supporters

Let us be clear: The President is acting like a retarded juvenile proto-fascist and encouraging law breaking vigilante violence. Civilians shooting other civilians, even children crossing state lines with automatic weapons to play cops, provoke and kill unarmed demonstrators, is what this president now stands for. That child is not nearly so responsible as the president himself. Trump is crossing a line here. If re-elected Trump will quite evidently lead his followers to unleashing serious bloodshed, which will create more violence in response. The ultimate result will quite possibly be a declaration of marshal law and the destruction of representative democracy.

Already the Protesters are going armed and are willing to use the weapons. If the Secret Army of the Rump shows up, get ready for a shootout. And the Protesters will always outnumber the Army of the Rump who are willing to stand on the firing line. The rapid increase in weapon sales was not just the rtwingnutjob gunnutters. It was also the Leftwingnutjobs.

The felons who tried to kill this kid bit off more than they could chew. He was guarding a business at the request of the business owner.

He was attacked by multiple violent convicted felons and he showed remarkable restraint in only shooting those at extreme close range.

Oh, Horsefeathers. There is no evidence that the Business owner requested that the kid protect his business. Stop throwing crap at the wall hoping something will stick.

As usual you are wrong. The kids lawyer has a sworn statement from the business owner stating exactly that. Are all you going to do is lie?

 

[westwall]

Then let the locals handle it. Don't import rtwingnutjobs. If the Locals want it stopped, it's going to get stopped. And tell Rump to STFU. He is just making things worse.

Problem (as we all know) is the local leaders DON'T want it stopped. If they did, the would stop it. They are not adequately handling it. So to protect property from arsonist/looter mobs, people have to stand guard over their property. And when the leftwingnutjobs sit back and allow this lunacy, then Yes, the higher authorities must step in and take charge.

It's a State and Local problem,, not a Federal one. If the State and Locals want it that way, then so be it. But that lasts only so long.

Considering they are overwhelmed by your scumbags they DO need Federal help.

 

[Oldestyle]

Then let the locals handle it. Don't import rtwingnutjobs. If the Locals want it stopped, it's going to get stopped. And tell Rump to STFU. He is just making things worse.

Problem (as we all know) is the local leaders DON'T want it stopped. If they did, the would stop it. They are not adequately handling it. So to protect property from arsonist/looter mobs, people have to stand guard over their property. And when the leftwingnutjobs sit back and allow this lunacy, then Yes, the higher authorities must step in and take charge.

It's a State and Local problem,, not a Federal one. If the State and Locals want it that way, then so be it. But that lasts only so long.

If it's a State and Local problem then why are you on the left blaming the violence on Trump? Am I missing something?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Trump is allowing a 17-year-old vigilante gunman to fight illegal battles for him.

Trump defends accused Kenosha gunman, declines to condemn violence from his supporters

Let us be clear: The President is acting like a retarded juvenile proto-fascist and encouraging law breaking vigilante violence. Civilians shooting other civilians, even children crossing state lines with automatic weapons to play cops, provoke and kill unarmed demonstrators, is what this president now stands for. That child is not nearly so responsible as the president himself. Trump is crossing a line here. If re-elected Trump will quite evidently lead his followers to unleashing serious bloodshed, which will create more violence in response. The ultimate result will quite possibly be a declaration of marshal law and the destruction of representative democracy.

Already the Protesters are going armed and are willing to use the weapons. If the Secret Army of the Rump shows up, get ready for a shootout. And the Protesters will always outnumber the Army of the Rump who are willing to stand on the firing line. The rapid increase in weapon sales was not just the rtwingnutjob gunnutters. It was also the Leftwingnutjobs.

The felons who tried to kill this kid bit off more than they could chew. He was guarding a business at the request of the business owner.

He was attacked by multiple violent convicted felons and he showed remarkable restraint in only shooting those at extreme close range.

Oh, Horsefeathers. There is no evidence that the Business owner requested that the kid protect his business. Stop throwing crap at the wall hoping something will stick.

As usual you are wrong. The kids lawyer has a sworn statement from the business owner stating exactly that. Are all you going to do is lie?

And how about some proof of this sworn statement. Or is it more crap thrown at the wall.

 

[westwall]

Trump is allowing a 17-year-old vigilante gunman to fight illegal battles for him.

Trump defends accused Kenosha gunman, declines to condemn violence from his supporters

Let us be clear: The President is acting like a retarded juvenile proto-fascist and encouraging law breaking vigilante violence. Civilians shooting other civilians, even children crossing state lines with automatic weapons to play cops, provoke and kill unarmed demonstrators, is what this president now stands for. That child is not nearly so responsible as the president himself. Trump is crossing a line here. If re-elected Trump will quite evidently lead his followers to unleashing serious bloodshed, which will create more violence in response. The ultimate result will quite possibly be a declaration of marshal law and the destruction of representative democracy.

Already the Protesters are going armed and are willing to use the weapons. If the Secret Army of the Rump shows up, get ready for a shootout. And the Protesters will always outnumber the Army of the Rump who are willing to stand on the firing line. The rapid increase in weapon sales was not just the rtwingnutjob gunnutters. It was also the Leftwingnutjobs.

The felons who tried to kill this kid bit off more than they could chew. He was guarding a business at the request of the business owner.

He was attacked by multiple violent convicted felons and he showed remarkable restraint in only shooting those at extreme close range.

Oh, Horsefeathers. There is no evidence that the Business owner requested that the kid protect his business. Stop throwing crap at the wall hoping something will stick.

As usual you are wrong. The kids lawyer has a sworn statement from the business owner stating exactly that. Are all you going to do is lie?

And how about some proof of this sworn statement. Or is it more crap thrown at the wall.

No, you are the crap thrower. He made the statement in an interview this evening. You should pay attention to what's going on. Interestingly enough antifart is trying to figure out where the kid is being held so they can murder him.

Fine group of scumbags you support.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Trump is allowing a 17-year-old vigilante gunman to fight illegal battles for him.

Trump defends accused Kenosha gunman, declines to condemn violence from his supporters

Let us be clear: The President is acting like a retarded juvenile proto-fascist and encouraging law breaking vigilante violence. Civilians shooting other civilians, even children crossing state lines with automatic weapons to play cops, provoke and kill unarmed demonstrators, is what this president now stands for. That child is not nearly so responsible as the president himself. Trump is crossing a line here. If re-elected Trump will quite evidently lead his followers to unleashing serious bloodshed, which will create more violence in response. The ultimate result will quite possibly be a declaration of marshal law and the destruction of representative democracy.

You seem to have yourself all confused the violent rioters and looters have been all leftist for about six months now and they have been openly encouraged by Biden Harris. In fact Harris came out and said the rioting should not stop. Obviously as Democrats support rioting and defund the police more and more of us will have to defend ourselves. 1+1 = 2

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Trump is allowing a 17-year-old vigilante gunman to fight illegal battles for him.

Trump defends accused Kenosha gunman, declines to condemn violence from his supporters

Let us be clear: The President is acting like a retarded juvenile proto-fascist and encouraging law breaking vigilante violence. Civilians shooting other civilians, even children crossing state lines with automatic weapons to play cops, provoke and kill unarmed demonstrators, is what this president now stands for. That child is not nearly so responsible as the president himself. Trump is crossing a line here. If re-elected Trump will quite evidently lead his followers to unleashing serious bloodshed, which will create more violence in response. The ultimate result will quite possibly be a declaration of marshal law and the destruction of representative democracy.

Already the Protesters are going armed and are willing to use the weapons. If the Secret Army of the Rump shows up, get ready for a shootout. And the Protesters will always outnumber the Army of the Rump who are willing to stand on the firing line. The rapid increase in weapon sales was not just the rtwingnutjob gunnutters. It was also the Leftwingnutjobs.

The felons who tried to kill this kid bit off more than they could chew. He was guarding a business at the request of the business owner.

He was attacked by multiple violent convicted felons and he showed remarkable restraint in only shooting those at extreme close range.

Oh, Horsefeathers. There is no evidence that the Business owner requested that the kid protect his business. Stop throwing crap at the wall hoping something will stick.

As usual you are wrong. The kids lawyer has a sworn statement from the business owner stating exactly that. Are all you going to do is lie?

And how about some proof of this sworn statement. Or is it more crap thrown at the wall.

No, you are the crap thrower. He made the statement in an interview this evening. You should pay attention to what's going on. Interestingly enough antifart is trying to figure out where the kid is being held so they can murder him.

Fine group of scumbags you support.

If that is the case, where is the cite? I can hear the splat on this one. Funny, the organized Militia were working with the Police and never heard of the kid. He was a lone wolf.

 

[protectionist]

Oh, Horsefeathers. There is no evidence that the Business owner requested that the kid protect his business. Stop throwing crap at the wall hoping something will stick.

It has been reported in a number of media that he went to Kenosha to help protect friend's business. He also works in Kenosha as a lifeguard.

Attorney for Kenosha gunman Kyle Rittenhouse says client was hunted 'as prey' before deadly shooting

An attorney for Illinois teen Kyle Rittenhouse -- who is facing first-degree murder charges in connection with a shooting that killed two people and wounded a third person in Kenosha, Wis. last week -- told "Tucker Carlson Tonight" Monday his client acted in self-defense.

www.foxnews.com

Kyle Rittenhouse Speaks Out About Deadly Kenosha Shooting

Hm.

townhall.com

Attorney claims Kenosha shooter Kyle Rittenhouse acted in self-defense

Rittenhouse's attorney Lin Wood claims the teenager was 'attacked' with 'lethal force' and was acting in self-defense when he 'murdered' two and injured another Tuesday.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[White 6]

Because trump is a clear and present danger. I wonder why moronic reactionaries like yourself post.

YOU are a clear and present danger. You want to charge a 17 year old kid with a slew of serious felonies, including 1st degree murder, when he was just defending himself from a maniacal mob. You're insane, an idiot, or both.

As a matter of fact, I do not want to see him charged with 1st degree murder. Like you said, he is a 17 year old kid. In this case, a 17 year old kid who got into a situation way over his head. God sometimes favor the foolish. The kid is lucky to be alive. It will have to be sorted out by Wisconsin, but they cannot and will not let it go, and should not as it is an offense under their state law.. It is a perfect example of why Wisconsin law does not let minors out on the streets armed without supervision. Cannot even imagine what was on the militia folks minds having him there, but do not see any legal culpability for their stupidity. Does that make you feel any better?

 

[protectionist]

If that is the case, where is the cite?

In Post # 66, and about 100 others in the internet.

 

[westwall]

Because trump is a clear and present danger. I wonder why moronic reactionaries like yourself post.

YOU are a clear and present danger. You want to charge a 17 year old kid with a slew of serious felonies, including 1st degree murder, when he was just defending himself from a maniacal mob. You're insane, an idiot, or both.

As a matter of fact, I do not want to see him charged with 1st degree murder. Like you said, he is a 17 year old kid. In this case, a 17 year old kid who got into a situation way over his head. God sometimes favor the foolish. The kid is lucky to be alive. It will have to be sorted out by Wisconsin, but they cannot and will not let it go, and should not as it is an offense under their state law.. It is a perfect example of why Wisconsin law does not let minors out on the streets armed without supervision. Cannot even imagine what was on the militia folks minds having him there, but do not see any legal culpability for their stupidity. Does that make you feel any better?

He committed no offense under Wisconsin law. None.