Keystone Pipeline Benefits?

[TooTall]

For Oklahoma welders this was a mega bonus. $134,000 for work on the pipeline.

"Goulet said the project created 4,000 jobs, including 339 pipefitters and welders from Local 798.

"They're productive and we appreciate the support they provide, not only to the project, but what they provide for the permitting process for future projects," he said.

Goulet said the Gulf Coast pipeline's success should help TransCanada get approval for the Keystone XL pipeline. It will go from Nebraska to Canada.

Union leaders say these projects provide jobs and stability for hundreds of people. For example, they say, their members who worked on the Gulf Coast Pipeline earned, on average, $134,000 per person.

"Which means they've got healthcare for another year, they've got a pension credit for when they retire," said Danny Hendrix, with the Local 798. "It means that those families have got healthcare, dental care--so it means a lot. It means they can make a house payment, it means they can send their kids to college."

Gulf Coast Pipeline Construction Creates Hundreds Of Jobs For Lo - NewsOn6.com - Tulsa OK - News Weather Video and Sports - KOTV.com

a one time situation IN OKLAHOMA .. Kansas and Texas, same thing ...

temp contract work, is not a JOB per se' ..

but it is good to know you're pro union now.

What the hell is with you? Being a construction worker means every job you are on is a temporary job for crying out loud.

It's what they do for a living. To say that a construction worker isn't working a "real job" is just freaking nuts.

then quit pumping up the job issues as if they're permanent jobs ... provide the actual work time too..

not a thing is wrong with me Miss Pro Union

It's hilarious to see the RWnuts drag unionism out from under the bus just to defend Keystone.

You want to support tens of thousands of union jobs?

Stop opposing infrastructure spending.

Infrastructure spending comes from taxpayers, and they are tapped out at the moment. Keystone is private money.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Keystone, climate change and the US economy: the truth behind the myths

 

[tinydancer]

Well Canada is your number one supplier after all so I have no clue whatsoever why anyone or their mother would object to the Keystone XL.

You are going to buy and refine the oil no matter what method of transportation is used.

The Keystone is also going to be used to transport products from your producers as well. Just south of me in North Dakota the Bakken fields are rocking and they will be shipping on the XL big time.

USA oil would mind....and the pipeline will send it to refineries, not all refineries are US owned and operated...then the finished Canadian oil will be exported....What is it worth to Canadian oil companies to have this pipeline in our nation?

No offense but you don't have a clue what you are talking about. US refineries have been buying millions of barrels of crude from Canada for forever.

We are your number one supplier. You need more than you produce.

Your oil producers also use Keystone I, II, III to ship their oil to various refineries. And your own agencies state that the bulk percentage of the refined product will remain in the US.

Why? Because you fucking need it.

I need crude oil to have sex, is that a Canadian fetish?

I wouldn't use this crude.



You'd never be able to uncouple and would have to embarrassingly dial 911 for medical attention.

 

[TooTall]

From my understanding is that the keystone pipeline is solely about helping Canada get to the gulf and ship oil out the US and has nothing to do with: 1. Getting the US more oil (like many like myself were led to believe) and 2. Not about producing and sending any of our oil anywhere.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but other than the over inflated (yes the right lies about the number of jobs that are created, just like the left does) temporary jobs, what is the big benefit to the US that we continue fight back and forth over.

If it truly was about getting more Canadian oil to the stated, then I am for it. It should more forward, but if it's solely about getting Canadian oil to the gulf, then I have no idea why (other then generous kickbacks), whey the Republicans are pushing for this so hard!

Bohner should invite the Canadian prime minister to give his views to the congress on this issue.

Good idea. Obama sure as hell won't.

 

[Freewill]

The bigger question, who does it hurt. And don't say if it breaks it could hurt a lot of folks because there are thousand of miles of pipeline already.

 

[TooTall]

The pipeline will also deliver ND oil. But that's beside the point. The Feds have no business holding up perfectly legal private sector development such as this.

Would you like your land have an oil pipe line ran through it?

I owned and lived in a home in Kentucky for three years where a pipeline ran through the vacant lot right next to me. It didn't bother me a bit.

 

[tinydancer]

Keystone, climate change and the US economy: the truth behind the myths

What a joke of an article but thanks for the link. I'll go after the author of the hit piece next week.

 

[Moonglow]

The pipeline will also deliver ND oil. But that's beside the point. The Feds have no business holding up perfectly legal private sector development such as this.

Would you like your land have an oil pipe line ran through it?

I owned and lived in a home in Kentucky for three years where a pipeline ran through the vacant lot right next to me. It didn't bother me a bit.

But it wasn't on your land?

 

[TooTall]

Construction work by its very nature is temporary. Give your head a shake.

Your own State Department projects 42,000 jobs.

Keystone XL is the definition of shovel-ready infrastructure project. Almost overnight, Keystone XL could put 9,000 hard-working American men and women directly to work. The U.S. State Department’s Final Supplemental Environmental Impact Statement (PDF, 4 MB) found that the project would support more than 42,000 direct and indirect jobs nationwide.

Jobs Economic Benefits Keystone XL Pipeline

So again no tangible sustained benefits there either.

Once again like talking to a stone

I think we should all be very thankful for a pipeline that carries foreign oil through our land so it can be sold on the global market.

Good for you. Every barrel of oil sold on the global market that takes a barrel out of the oil being sold from the middle eastern nations that use the money to try and destroy the US is a good thing. Every barrel of oil that the US produces and refines in the US does the same thing and helps lower our balance of payments. You were sincere weren't you?

So all ME nations that produce oil want to destroy the US? You left out Russia also...

Not all, fool, just some. I know that is rather difficult for you, but are you saying NONE? And, I wasn't aware of the US buying oil from Russia. Tell me all about that.

 

[Moonglow]

So again no tangible sustained benefits there either.

Once again like talking to a stone

I think we should all be very thankful for a pipeline that carries foreign oil through our land so it can be sold on the global market.

Good for you. Every barrel of oil sold on the global market that takes a barrel out of the oil being sold from the middle eastern nations that use the money to try and destroy the US is a good thing. Every barrel of oil that the US produces and refines in the US does the same thing and helps lower our balance of payments. You were sincere weren't you?

So all ME nations that produce oil want to destroy the US? You left out Russia also...

Not all, fool, just some. I know that is rather difficult for you, but are you saying NONE? And, I wasn't aware of the US buying oil from Russia. Tell me all about that.

We don't buy oil from Iran, yet they want to destroy the US...

 

[tinydancer]

Last time I looked Canada had a gigantic coastline and as such it is well able to "get to the Gulf".

I wish Americans wouldn't buy into the "Canadians need the pipeline to get their oil to China" lamo routine.

Sadly it appears altogether too many don't know their geography.

I do have fun though pointing out that on any given map there's this big blue thing on the left hand side of British Columbia called the freaking Pacific Ocean.



Direct route to China and other Asian nations.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Well Canada is your number one supplier after all so I have no clue whatsoever why anyone or their mother would object to the Keystone XL.

You are going to buy and refine the oil no matter what method of transportation is used.

The Keystone is also going to be used to transport products from your producers as well. Just south of me in North Dakota the Bakken fields are rocking and they will be shipping on the XL big time.

USA oil would mind....and the pipeline will send it to refineries, not all refineries are US owned and operated...then the finished Canadian oil will be exported....What is it worth to Canadian oil companies to have this pipeline in our nation?

What is it worth to Canadian oil companies to have this pipeline in our nation?

Enough to spend billions to build it.
Enough to hire thousands of Americans to build it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Once again like talking to a stone

I think we should all be very thankful for a pipeline that carries foreign oil through our land so it can be sold on the global market.

Good for you. Every barrel of oil sold on the global market that takes a barrel out of the oil being sold from the middle eastern nations that use the money to try and destroy the US is a good thing. Every barrel of oil that the US produces and refines in the US does the same thing and helps lower our balance of payments. You were sincere weren't you?

So all ME nations that produce oil want to destroy the US? You left out Russia also...

Not all, fool, just some. I know that is rather difficult for you, but are you saying NONE? And, I wasn't aware of the US buying oil from Russia. Tell me all about that.

We don't buy oil from Iran, yet they want to destroy the US...

We don't buy oil from Iran, yet they want to destroy the US...

And Canadian oil and fracking reduce Iran's oil revenues.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Keystone, climate change and the US economy: the truth behind the myths

But even the State Department’s own analysis found found the pipeline, once operational, would cause the equivalent emissions of 300,000 cars a year, and it noted that tar sands were 17% more carbon intensive than the average barrel of US crude oil. Subsequent analyses by the Congressional Research Service have found tar sands up to 20% more carbon intensive than the average barrel of crude.

If you're worried about carbon intensity, you should support pipelines over transporting oil by rail or truck.

The State Department in its analysis found Keystone would create about 42,000 direct and indirect temporary construction jobs

Excellent!

Most of the 830,000 barrels of oil a day transported by Keystone will be exported

Why would they export oil away from a refining center?
Doesn't make much sense.

 

[Mr. H.]

Where is it documented that most of the KXL oil will be exported?

 

[healthmyths]

The pipeline will also deliver ND oil. But that's beside the point. The Feds have no business holding up perfectly legal private sector development such as this.

Would you like your land have an oil pipe line ran through it?

Where in Missouri because check out this MAP of the
Pipelines Explained: How Safe are America’s 2.5 Million Miles of Pipelines?
Pipelines Explained How Safe are America 8217 s 2.5 Million Miles of Pipelines - ProPublica

 

[healthmyths]

The Keystone pipeline will benefit Canada by allowing them to get their crude more easily to international markets where they can get a better price for it.

It will also keep 1 million barrels per day in a tanker floating on the seas where "winter hurricanes" are common!
Unimak Pass is about 800 miles southwest of Anchorage.
David Mosley, public affairs specialist for the U.S. Coast Guard in Alaska, says that the thousands of ships that already navigate its waters each year
face "winter hurricanes" with 40-foot seas and 100-knot winds that appear with little advanced notice.
Large ships must ride out the storms in sheltered coves in the Aleutians.
In a typical year, at least one ship gets into trouble. "A vessel will have some sort of mechanical or physical issue that then puts them at the mercy of the weather and the waves."
The Environmental Dangers of em Not em Building Keystone XL - Popular Mechanics

 

[healthmyths]

Last time I looked Canada had a gigantic coastline and as such it is well able to "get to the Gulf".

I wish Americans wouldn't buy into the "Canadians need the pipeline to get their oil to China" lamo routine.

Sadly it appears altogether too many don't know their geography.

I do have fun though pointing out that on any given map there's this big blue thing on the left hand side of British Columbia called the freaking Pacific Ocean.



Direct route to China and other Asian nations.

Unimak Pass is about 800 miles southwest of Anchorage.
David Mosley, public affairs specialist for the U.S. Coast Guard in Alaska, says that the thousands of ships that already navigate its waters each year
face "winter hurricanes" with 40-foot seas and 100-knot winds that appear with little advanced notice.
Large ships must ride out the storms in sheltered coves in the Aleutians.
In a typical year, at least one ship gets into trouble. "A vessel will have some sort of mechanical or physical issue that then puts them at the mercy of the weather and the waves."
The Environmental Dangers of em Not em Building Keystone XL - Popular Mechanics

 

[TooTall]

The pipeline will also deliver ND oil. But that's beside the point. The Feds have no business holding up perfectly legal private sector development such as this.

Would you like your land have an oil pipe line ran through it?

I owned and lived in a home in Kentucky for three years where a pipeline ran through the vacant lot right next to me. It didn't bother me a bit.

But it wasn't on your land?

I lived in a subdivision where it was divided up into 2 acre lots. As I posted, the pipeline ran through the 2 acre lot next to my lot. I didn't own the lot, so the answer is it wasn't on my land.

 

[Mr. H.]

Where is it documented that most of the KXL oil will be exported?

Two hours and counting....