Keystone Pipeline Benefits?

[healthmyths]

Where is it documented that most of the KXL oil will be exported?

Two hours and counting....

Who cares? Again... which is a bigger number 1 million barrels in a tanker traveling one mile in "winter hurricanes" or 700 barrels traveling in one mile of pipeline?

 

[Mr. H.]

Where is it documented that most of the KXL oil will be exported?

Two hours and counting....

Who cares? Again... which is a bigger number 1 million barrels in a tanker traveling one mile in "winter hurricanes" or 700 barrels traveling in one mile of pipeline?

4-1/2 hours and counting...

 

[KissMy]

I'm not pro Union neither am I anti Union workers. Not discussing the upper echelons of the Union heirarchy here nor their political persuasions.

I'm pro job. I'm pro worker.

Now lets get to temporary jobs. Construction workers work temporary jobs.

That is their life. It is the very nature of construction that keeps these jobs temporary.

And you are fucked in the head along with anyone else who would term construction projects as not giving skilled and unskilled workers a "real job".

It's really that simple. You are fucked up.

who cares what you think ? As a whole, the RW is anti union, and you don't speak for them . After the project is complete 50 PERMANENT jobs are left for you to be pro job/worker .. maybe, just maybe those 50 jobs will be held by American workers. Maybe Canadians. Either way, they'y be "Union Thugs" as the Republicans call them. Either way, you're an idiot.

The pipeline is not about permanent pipeline jobs. It's about increasing oil production & refinery jobs and cheap gasoline & fuel for US citizens.

Tie the pipeline to a larger infrastructure bill with high speed trains that reduce oil consumption & create jobs so everyone is happy.

oh please, increased production for what again? cheap gas. Gas is cheap and Keystone hasn't been finished. Keystone was about job growth, now its not about job growth. You got nothing but a brown streak in your Jockeys SJ.

next.

Keystone runs from Alberta to the Gulf now. XL is only a northern leg that would pick up crude from the Bakken.

Get a grip Siete.

Bakken northern leg?

great, no American land, no American jobs, and gas is cheap without Keystone.

so much for Keystone benefits.

There are large pipeline benefits we are now enjoying like low oil price & jobs. Because while you political idiots have been arguing over Keystone XL pipeline, Enbridge secretly built their Flanagan South Pipeline out of the political limelight. It is the same size 36" pipeline that Keystone XL will be & it went into service last year carrying the same Canada sands oil here to the USA that Keystone XL was to carry.

We will still need more pipelines. The USA consumes enough oil to max out the capacity of 23 of these pipelines.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Keystone pipeline will benefit Canada by allowing them to get their crude more easily to international markets where they can get a better price for it.

It will also keep 1 million barrels per day in a tanker floating on the seas where "winter hurricanes" are common!
Unimak Pass is about 800 miles southwest of Anchorage.
David Mosley, public affairs specialist for the U.S. Coast Guard in Alaska, says that the thousands of ships that already navigate its waters each year
face "winter hurricanes" with 40-foot seas and 100-knot winds that appear with little advanced notice.
Large ships must ride out the storms in sheltered coves in the Aleutians.
In a typical year, at least one ship gets into trouble. "A vessel will have some sort of mechanical or physical issue that then puts them at the mercy of the weather and the waves."
The Environmental Dangers of em Not em Building Keystone XL - Popular Mechanics

The Canadians are going to send the oil EAST if they can't have the pipeline.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Keystone pipeline will benefit Canada by allowing them to get their crude more easily to international markets where they can get a better price for it.

It will also keep 1 million barrels per day in a tanker floating on the seas where "winter hurricanes" are common!
Unimak Pass is about 800 miles southwest of Anchorage.
David Mosley, public affairs specialist for the U.S. Coast Guard in Alaska, says that the thousands of ships that already navigate its waters each year
face "winter hurricanes" with 40-foot seas and 100-knot winds that appear with little advanced notice.
Large ships must ride out the storms in sheltered coves in the Aleutians.
In a typical year, at least one ship gets into trouble. "A vessel will have some sort of mechanical or physical issue that then puts them at the mercy of the weather and the waves."
The Environmental Dangers of em Not em Building Keystone XL - Popular Mechanics

What's sad is that I proved this poster was full of shit on the above theme some time ago, and he admitted I was right,

and now he's right back lying about it.

 

[Mr. H.]

Where is it documented that most of the KXL oil will be exported?

16 hours. No reply?

 

[tinydancer]

The Keystone pipeline will benefit Canada by allowing them to get their crude more easily to international markets where they can get a better price for it.

It will also keep 1 million barrels per day in a tanker floating on the seas where "winter hurricanes" are common!
Unimak Pass is about 800 miles southwest of Anchorage.
David Mosley, public affairs specialist for the U.S. Coast Guard in Alaska, says that the thousands of ships that already navigate its waters each year
face "winter hurricanes" with 40-foot seas and 100-knot winds that appear with little advanced notice.
Large ships must ride out the storms in sheltered coves in the Aleutians.
In a typical year, at least one ship gets into trouble. "A vessel will have some sort of mechanical or physical issue that then puts them at the mercy of the weather and the waves."
The Environmental Dangers of em Not em Building Keystone XL - Popular Mechanics

The Canadians are going to send the oil EAST if they can't have the pipeline.

NYC the XL is not a "Canadian government" pipeline. It's a private business venture by TransCanada.

Keystone I, Keystone II and Keystone III to the Gulf has already been built.

XL is simply another Northern leg of Keystone that would also pick up crude from the Bakken fields in North Dakota and Montana.

It's just a fucking pipeline for crying out loud.

As to building east of course companies are building more pipelines. AND companies are building west.

And the companies in the oil fields and that run the pipelines and run the rails and transport trucks are mostly multi national corporations.

And no matter what that asswipe in the White House does crude from Alberta is coming as it has been for years to various refineries in America.

Get a freaking grip will ya?

 

[Paperman299]

Where is it documented that most of the KXL oil will be exported?

16 hours. No reply?

I've see this claim thrown around a lot as well, and I've never been able to find a decent source. What I have found is that about half of the refined product will likely be sold overseas. Which is not fantastic, but seems reasonable?

According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, refineries in PADD 3 (called the Gulf Coast refineries district) produced 6.8 million bpd of refined product in August – the latest month data is available. However, some of these refineries are located in West Texas, New Mexico,Northern Louisiana and Arkansas, places too far inland to have access to the water for loading tankers. Coastal refineries in Texas and Louisiana produced about 6 million bpd of refined product, of which they exported 3.1 million bpd last month – over half of their production.

Fact Checking on Keystone XL and Exports - Oil Change InternationalOil Change International

 

[Mr. H.]

Where is it documented that most of the KXL oil will be exported?

16 hours. No reply?

I've see this claim thrown around a lot as well, and I've never been able to find a decent source. What I have found is that about half of the refined product will likely be sold overseas. Which is not fantastic, but seems reasonable?

According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, refineries in PADD 3 (called the Gulf Coast refineries district) produced 6.8 million bpd of refined product in August – the latest month data is available. However, some of these refineries are located in West Texas, New Mexico,Northern Louisiana and Arkansas, places too far inland to have access to the water for loading tankers. Coastal refineries in Texas and Louisiana produced about 6 million bpd of refined product, of which they exported 3.1 million bpd last month – over half of their production.

Fact Checking on Keystone XL and Exports - Oil Change InternationalOil Change International

Thank you! Still haven't gotten my answer from what's-his-name.

We export about 2-1/2 million barrels/month of "Finished Petroleum Products".

U.S. Exports of Crude Oil and Petroleum Products

This nonsense about the KXL crudes being exported is bullshit.

 

[tinydancer]

Where is it documented that most of the KXL oil will be exported?

16 hours. No reply?

I've see this claim thrown around a lot as well, and I've never been able to find a decent source. What I have found is that about half of the refined product will likely be sold overseas. Which is not fantastic, but seems reasonable?

According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, refineries in PADD 3 (called the Gulf Coast refineries district) produced 6.8 million bpd of refined product in August – the latest month data is available. However, some of these refineries are located in West Texas, New Mexico,Northern Louisiana and Arkansas, places too far inland to have access to the water for loading tankers. Coastal refineries in Texas and Louisiana produced about 6 million bpd of refined product, of which they exported 3.1 million bpd last month – over half of their production.

Fact Checking on Keystone XL and Exports - Oil Change InternationalOil Change International

Thank you! Still haven't gotten my answer from what's-his-name.

We export about 2-1/2 million barrels/month of "Finished Petroleum Products".

U.S. Exports of Crude Oil and Petroleum Products

This nonsense about the KXL crudes being exported is bullshit.

This argument that all the oil from Alberta will be exported is so bogus.

One thing that has been sticking in my craw about this argument though is what other raw material that is used in the production of a product has anyone ever demanded that a finished product cannot be exported?

Gibson guitars imports wood for their factories. Has anyone ever demanded that those guitars can never be exported?

Thousands of US companies import raw material and produce a product. Are there any restrictions that forbid those companies from selling a finished product to any other country?

I haven't found any yet.

 

[Dot Com]

From my understanding is that the keystone pipeline is solely about helping Canada get to the gulf and ship oil out the US and has nothing to do with: 1. Getting the US more oil (like many like myself were led to believe) and 2. Not about producing and sending any of our oil anywhere.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but other than the over inflated (yes the right lies about the number of jobs that are created, just like the left does) temporary jobs, what is the big benefit to the US that we continue fight back and forth over.

If it truly was about getting more Canadian oil to the stated, then I am for it. It should more forward, but if it's solely about getting Canadian oil to the gulf, then I have no idea why (other then generous kickbacks), whey the Republicans are pushing for this so hard!

You are correct in that there is very little benefit to this nation other than a handful of jobs. It is, as you suspected, a favor to our friends in Mexico North (Canada) Toro tinydancer Mr. H. CrusaderFrank

The downside is that this great nation's water supply is put at risk not to mention the planet's atmosphere by mining that carbon powder keg AKA- tarsands.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Listening to Progressives on economics is like listening to Helen Keller talk about Monet paintings

 

[Dot Com]

Thats rich coming from a believer in the Horse & Sparrow theory AKA- Supply Side economics lol

 

[Mr. H.]

From my understanding is that the keystone pipeline is solely about helping Canada get to the gulf and ship oil out the US and has nothing to do with: 1. Getting the US more oil (like many like myself were led to believe) and 2. Not about producing and sending any of our oil anywhere.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but other than the over inflated (yes the right lies about the number of jobs that are created, just like the left does) temporary jobs, what is the big benefit to the US that we continue fight back and forth over.

If it truly was about getting more Canadian oil to the stated, then I am for it. It should more forward, but if it's solely about getting Canadian oil to the gulf, then I have no idea why (other then generous kickbacks), whey the Republicans are pushing for this so hard!

You are correct in that there is very little benefit to this nation other than a handful of jobs. It is, as you suspected, a favor to our friends in Mexico North (Canada) Toro tinydancer Mr. H. CrusaderFrank

The downside is that this great nation's water supply is put at risk not to mention the planet's atmosphere by mining that carbon powder keg AKA- tarsands.

Do us a favor and study up on the Alberta Clipper Pipeline. Here, I'll even spoon-feed you a link to the U.S. Department of State's website:

Permit for Alberta Clipper Pipeline Issued

Now, compare and contrast this project with the KXL and you'll see there is very little if any difference in the scope, design, and purpose of the two.

Regarding the nation's water supply, the Ogallala Aquifer was drained and polluted long ago by... you guessed it...
The Ass-Fucking Farmer.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/01/opinion/polluting-the-ogallala-aquifer.html?_r=0

As to the Tar Sands projects, they will marshal on with or without the KXL and you know it. Your opposition merely makes a hollow and irrelevant statement because that's just how you roll with that deluded Liberal mind of yours.

Jobs are jobs- temporary or permanent. People in this country have families to feed and mortgages to pay. Why would you deny them? Again, that's just how you roll, Brotch.

 

[BULLDOG]

Where is it documented that most of the KXL oil will be exported?

16 hours. No reply?

I've see this claim thrown around a lot as well, and I've never been able to find a decent source. What I have found is that about half of the refined product will likely be sold overseas. Which is not fantastic, but seems reasonable?

According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, refineries in PADD 3 (called the Gulf Coast refineries district) produced 6.8 million bpd of refined product in August – the latest month data is available. However, some of these refineries are located in West Texas, New Mexico,Northern Louisiana and Arkansas, places too far inland to have access to the water for loading tankers. Coastal refineries in Texas and Louisiana produced about 6 million bpd of refined product, of which they exported 3.1 million bpd last month – over half of their production.

Fact Checking on Keystone XL and Exports - Oil Change InternationalOil Change International

Thank you! Still haven't gotten my answer from what's-his-name.

We export about 2-1/2 million barrels/month of "Finished Petroleum Products".

U.S. Exports of Crude Oil and Petroleum Products

This nonsense about the KXL crudes being exported is bullshit.

This argument that all the oil from Alberta will be exported is so bogus.

One thing that has been sticking in my craw about this argument though is what other raw material that is used in the production of a product has anyone ever demanded that a finished product cannot be exported?

Gibson guitars imports wood for their factories. Has anyone ever demanded that those guitars can never be exported?

Thousands of US companies import raw material and produce a product. Are there any restrictions that forbid those companies from selling a finished product to any other country?

I haven't found any yet.

Of course the diluted bitumen will not be exported. That's why the line is ending at refineries instead of a port. . It's useless without refining. However the large majority of finished products will be exported.
Report Exporting Energy Security Keystone XL Exposed - Oil Change InternationalOil Change International
Their new 75 million dollar dock, and their taking applications for dock workers should give you some hint of what their plans are.
New oil dock brings 75 million to Port Arthur - Beaumont Enterprise
Valero is a large refinery, and it's almost impossible to live near there, which I do, without knowing lots of refinery workers. The planned export increases are common knowledge.

 

[Dot Com]

As to the Tar Sands projects, they will marshal on with or without the KXL and you know it. Your opposition merely makes a hollow and irrelevant statement because that's just how you roll with that deluded Liberal mind of yours.

Jobs are jobs- temporary or permanent. People in this country have families to feed and mortgages to pay. Why would you deny them? Again, that's just how you roll, Brotch.

so were going to be smothered by our dependence on fossil fuels so might as well do it sooner? Is THAT your logic?

 

[Mr. H.]

Here is a great resource for anyone who wants to educate themselves on midstream operations in the oil and gas industries.

By "midstream" is meant the "infrastructure" necessary to get liquid and gaseous hydrocarbons from the wellhead to your gas tank or stove top, furnace, or wherever.

Welcome to Midstream Business Midstream Business

You Liberals who feign expertise at anything to do with commerce are a bunch of fucking liars and know-nothing blowhards.
Fuck the lot of ya.

 

[Mr. H.]

As to the Tar Sands projects, they will marshal on with or without the KXL and you know it. Your opposition merely makes a hollow and irrelevant statement because that's just how you roll with that deluded Liberal mind of yours.

Jobs are jobs- temporary or permanent. People in this country have families to feed and mortgages to pay. Why would you deny them? Again, that's just how you roll, Brotch.

so were going to be smothered by our dependence on fossil fuels so might as well do it sooner? Is THAT your logic?

Grrrrr.

 

[Mr. H.]

Where is it documented that most of the KXL oil will be exported?

16 hours. No reply?

I've see this claim thrown around a lot as well, and I've never been able to find a decent source. What I have found is that about half of the refined product will likely be sold overseas. Which is not fantastic, but seems reasonable?

According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, refineries in PADD 3 (called the Gulf Coast refineries district) produced 6.8 million bpd of refined product in August – the latest month data is available. However, some of these refineries are located in West Texas, New Mexico,Northern Louisiana and Arkansas, places too far inland to have access to the water for loading tankers. Coastal refineries in Texas and Louisiana produced about 6 million bpd of refined product, of which they exported 3.1 million bpd last month – over half of their production.

Fact Checking on Keystone XL and Exports - Oil Change InternationalOil Change International

Thank you! Still haven't gotten my answer from what's-his-name.

We export about 2-1/2 million barrels/month of "Finished Petroleum Products".

U.S. Exports of Crude Oil and Petroleum Products

This nonsense about the KXL crudes being exported is bullshit.

This argument that all the oil from Alberta will be exported is so bogus.

One thing that has been sticking in my craw about this argument though is what other raw material that is used in the production of a product has anyone ever demanded that a finished product cannot be exported?

Gibson guitars imports wood for their factories. Has anyone ever demanded that those guitars can never be exported?

Thousands of US companies import raw material and produce a product. Are there any restrictions that forbid those companies from selling a finished product to any other country?

I haven't found any yet.

Of course the diluted bitumen will not be exported. That's why the line is ending at refineries instead of a port. . It's useless without refining. However the large majority of finished products will be exported.
Report Exporting Energy Security Keystone XL Exposed - Oil Change InternationalOil Change International
Their new 75 million dollar dock, and their taking applications for dock workers should give you some hint of what their plans are.
New oil dock brings 75 million to Port Arthur - Beaumont Enterprise
Valero is a large refinery, and it's almost impossible to live near there, which I do, without knowing lots of refinery workers. The planned export increases are common knowledge.

We've been exporting about 2.5 million barrels/month of refined product for years. What is there to "expose"?

Why the hell do we export corn, beans, wheat, etc? Oh- let's keep all of our agricultural production here in the U.S. so we can drive down food prices!

 

[BULLDOG]

16 hours. No reply?

I've see this claim thrown around a lot as well, and I've never been able to find a decent source. What I have found is that about half of the refined product will likely be sold overseas. Which is not fantastic, but seems reasonable?

According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, refineries in PADD 3 (called the Gulf Coast refineries district) produced 6.8 million bpd of refined product in August – the latest month data is available. However, some of these refineries are located in West Texas, New Mexico,Northern Louisiana and Arkansas, places too far inland to have access to the water for loading tankers. Coastal refineries in Texas and Louisiana produced about 6 million bpd of refined product, of which they exported 3.1 million bpd last month – over half of their production.

Fact Checking on Keystone XL and Exports - Oil Change InternationalOil Change International

Thank you! Still haven't gotten my answer from what's-his-name.

We export about 2-1/2 million barrels/month of "Finished Petroleum Products".

U.S. Exports of Crude Oil and Petroleum Products

This nonsense about the KXL crudes being exported is bullshit.

This argument that all the oil from Alberta will be exported is so bogus.

One thing that has been sticking in my craw about this argument though is what other raw material that is used in the production of a product has anyone ever demanded that a finished product cannot be exported?

Gibson guitars imports wood for their factories. Has anyone ever demanded that those guitars can never be exported?

Thousands of US companies import raw material and produce a product. Are there any restrictions that forbid those companies from selling a finished product to any other country?

I haven't found any yet.

Of course the diluted bitumen will not be exported. That's why the line is ending at refineries instead of a port. . It's useless without refining. However the large majority of finished products will be exported.
Report Exporting Energy Security Keystone XL Exposed - Oil Change InternationalOil Change International
Their new 75 million dollar dock, and their taking applications for dock workers should give you some hint of what their plans are.
New oil dock brings 75 million to Port Arthur - Beaumont Enterprise
Valero is a large refinery, and it's almost impossible to live near there, which I do, without knowing lots of refinery workers. The planned export increases are common knowledge.

We've been exporting about 2.5 million barrels/month of refined product for years. What is there to "expose"?

Why the hell do we export corn, beans, wheat, etc? Oh- let's keep all of our agricultural production here in the U.S. so we can drive down food prices!

The new docks are for the expected huge increase in product exports. Those refineries have been recently upgraded specifically to be able to handle Bitumen from Canada. The plan was always to refine it here, in a free trade zone (Valero refinery is a free trade zone, they don't have to pay taxes for any value increase from refining) and to ship it out to the world market. Anything from Canada will not be ours, and will do nothing but make a fortune for oil companies. Very few jobs no increase of gas available to us, and nothing for us but the liability of another line that might leak.