Kim Davis Is Winning

[Redfish]

Talk about hypocrisy. you say that but support mandating that people accept gay marriage as normal. YOU are the ones intruding on people's lives.

Please explain how two guys filing a joint tax return is intruding on your life.

"I suddenly have an inexplicable desire to smoke poles."

I didn't say it was intruding on MY life. I said I don't give a shit what two fags or lesbians do to each other in private.

What I said is that IMO, sanctioning gay marriage will lead to sanctioning other forms of marriage like multiples, polygamy, sibling, parent/child etc--------------because its about money.

We are willing to sacrifice our culture so that a minority can get a larger tax refund.

When will the voting age be 4 years old?

Since thats your mental age, it must be now.

 

[Moonglow]

The Fourteenth Amendment prohibits the state from depriving ANY PERSON of life, liberty, or property without due process of law or equal protection under the law. Due process means that states may not arbitrarily deprive people of their liberty interests. The Constitution doesn't mention hats or bedtimes, but the government doesn't have the power to arbitrarily deprive people of the right to wear a hat or the right to decide for themselves what time to go to bed. Insisting that the entire universe of rights must be listed in a constitution before it can be protected against government deprivations is foolish. We are not a pure democracy. A group of people cannot abuse the power of the state to impose their morals on the rest of society. No one cares that you personally think the private sexual practices of two consenting adults is deviant. We are not ruled by missionaries who command the natives engage only in missionary style sex.

You make some valid points. But on counter point. Society as a whole should decide what is to be considered right and wrong and moral and immoral. Those decisions should be made by everyone based on votes, not by 5 unelected old farts in black robes.

the SC decision on gay marriage WILL be used as a valid precedent for multiple marriage, polygamy, sibling marriage, and all other forms of human grouping.

Moral disapproval alone is not a legitimate government basis for restricting rights or doling them out to special groups while denying those same rights to others. The people don't want the morality police nosing about in every intimate corner of their lives.

Talk about hypocrisy. you say that but support mandating that people accept gay marriage as normal. YOU are the ones intruding on people's lives.

I agree, I don't give a shit what you and your partner or partners do in private. But I don't want the government telling me that I must condone it.

You don't have to "accept" anything. You can believe other people's sex lives are perverted. They might believe your sex life is perverted. All of you can just keep your noses out of other people's bedrooms. Minding your own private business isn't the same thing as condoning someone else's private business. If you're a government official standing behind a counter serving the public, do your job. Hand out the marriage licenses, the driver licenses, the fishing licenses, etc., to people who are entitled to them in accordance with the law.

bedroom privacy and government sanctionin gay marriage are two totally different things.

The government is telling all americans that the MUST accept gay marriage as a normal human activity.

That is no different than the government telling all americans that they MUST accept that homosexuality is a mental disease.

The point, which you seem to dense to get, is that the government should not be telling us what we must believe.

Or a religion that continuously tries to take control of the govt.. So they can make sure we are forced to hear about their religion..

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Fourteenth Amendment prohibits the state from depriving ANY PERSON of life, liberty, or property without due process of law or equal protection under the law. Due process means that states may not arbitrarily deprive people of their liberty interests. The Constitution doesn't mention hats or bedtimes, but the government doesn't have the power to arbitrarily deprive people of the right to wear a hat or the right to decide for themselves what time to go to bed. Insisting that the entire universe of rights must be listed in a constitution before it can be protected against government deprivations is foolish. We are not a pure democracy. A group of people cannot abuse the power of the state to impose their morals on the rest of society. No one cares that you personally think the private sexual practices of two consenting adults is deviant. We are not ruled by missionaries who command the natives engage only in missionary style sex.

You make some valid points. But on counter point. Society as a whole should decide what is to be considered right and wrong and moral and immoral. Those decisions should be made by everyone based on votes, not by 5 unelected old farts in black robes.

the SC decision on gay marriage WILL be used as a valid precedent for multiple marriage, polygamy, sibling marriage, and all other forms of human grouping.

Moral disapproval alone is not a legitimate government basis for restricting rights or doling them out to special groups while denying those same rights to others. The people don't want the morality police nosing about in every intimate corner of their lives.

Talk about hypocrisy. you say that but support mandating that people accept gay marriage as normal. YOU are the ones intruding on people's lives.

I agree, I don't give a shit what you and your partner or partners do in private. But I don't want the government telling me that I must condone it.

You don't have to "accept" anything. You can believe other people's sex lives are perverted. They might believe your sex life is perverted. All of you can just keep your noses out of other people's bedrooms. Minding your own private business isn't the same thing as condoning someone else's private business. If you're a government official standing behind a counter serving the public, do your job. Hand out the marriage licenses, the driver licenses, the fishing licenses, etc., to people who are entitled to them in accordance with the law.

bedroom privacy and government sanctionin gay marriage are two totally different things.

The government is telling all americans that the MUST accept gay marriage as a normal human activity.

That is no different than the government telling all americans that they MUST accept that homosexuality is a mental disease.

The point, which you seem to dense to get, is that the government should not be telling us what we must believe.

Homosexuality is a normally occurring condition in a percentage of every human population. Same sex marriage is a human relationship that gays desire in the same way and for the same purposes as heterosexuals.

It goes against the principle of a democratic society to deny same sex marriage to gays.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Talk about hypocrisy. you say that but support mandating that people accept gay marriage as normal. YOU are the ones intruding on people's lives.

Please explain how two guys filing a joint tax return is intruding on your life.

"I suddenly have an inexplicable desire to smoke poles."

I didn't say it was intruding on MY life. I said I don't give a shit what two fags or lesbians do to each other in private.

What I said is that IMO, sanctioning gay marriage will lead to sanctioning other forms of marriage like multiples, polygamy, sibling, parent/child etc--------------because its about money.

We are willing to sacrifice our culture so that a minority can get a larger tax refund.

When will the voting age be 4 years old?

Since thats your mental age, it must be now.

That's the best answer you have? Why didn't lowering the voting age to 18 put it on a slippery slope letting 4 year olds vote?

Explain that in the context of your belief that every change in the laws sends us on a slippery slope to the ridiculous.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Talk about hypocrisy. you say that but support mandating that people accept gay marriage as normal. YOU are the ones intruding on people's lives.

Please explain how two guys filing a joint tax return is intruding on your life.

"I suddenly have an inexplicable desire to smoke poles."

I didn't say it was intruding on MY life. I said I don't give a shit what two fags or lesbians do to each other in private.

What I said is that IMO, sanctioning gay marriage will lead to sanctioning other forms of marriage like multiples, polygamy, sibling, parent/child etc--------------because its about money.

We are willing to sacrifice our culture so that a minority can get a larger tax refund.

The slippery slope argument is not legitimate.

Our society sanctions monogamy. Sanctioning monogamy does not slide our society into polygamy and incest. If that were true, it would have happened already.

Nor did banning polygamy send us down a slippery slope to banning all marriage.

 

[Redfish]

You make some valid points. But on counter point. Society as a whole should decide what is to be considered right and wrong and moral and immoral. Those decisions should be made by everyone based on votes, not by 5 unelected old farts in black robes.

the SC decision on gay marriage WILL be used as a valid precedent for multiple marriage, polygamy, sibling marriage, and all other forms of human grouping.

Moral disapproval alone is not a legitimate government basis for restricting rights or doling them out to special groups while denying those same rights to others. The people don't want the morality police nosing about in every intimate corner of their lives.

Talk about hypocrisy. you say that but support mandating that people accept gay marriage as normal. YOU are the ones intruding on people's lives.

I agree, I don't give a shit what you and your partner or partners do in private. But I don't want the government telling me that I must condone it.

You don't have to "accept" anything. You can believe other people's sex lives are perverted. They might believe your sex life is perverted. All of you can just keep your noses out of other people's bedrooms. Minding your own private business isn't the same thing as condoning someone else's private business. If you're a government official standing behind a counter serving the public, do your job. Hand out the marriage licenses, the driver licenses, the fishing licenses, etc., to people who are entitled to them in accordance with the law.

bedroom privacy and government sanctionin gay marriage are two totally different things.

The government is telling all americans that the MUST accept gay marriage as a normal human activity.

That is no different than the government telling all americans that they MUST accept that homosexuality is a mental disease.

The point, which you seem to dense to get, is that the government should not be telling us what we must believe.

Or a religion that continuously tries to take control of the govt.. So they can make sure we are forced to hear about their religion..

Which religion is trying to take control of the government? Islam? Have you seen the list of muslims in the obama administration?

 

[playtime]

She wants that $80K salary & doesn't mind taking tax dollars from the homogays as she's denying their rights under the 14th Amendment after pledging to uphold the Constitution & its laws, while taking oaths is against her religion & respecting the government's authority is what her religion dictates.

She's a wolf in sheep's clothing, plain & simple.

 

[Redfish]

You make some valid points. But on counter point. Society as a whole should decide what is to be considered right and wrong and moral and immoral. Those decisions should be made by everyone based on votes, not by 5 unelected old farts in black robes.

the SC decision on gay marriage WILL be used as a valid precedent for multiple marriage, polygamy, sibling marriage, and all other forms of human grouping.

Moral disapproval alone is not a legitimate government basis for restricting rights or doling them out to special groups while denying those same rights to others. The people don't want the morality police nosing about in every intimate corner of their lives.

Talk about hypocrisy. you say that but support mandating that people accept gay marriage as normal. YOU are the ones intruding on people's lives.

I agree, I don't give a shit what you and your partner or partners do in private. But I don't want the government telling me that I must condone it.

You don't have to "accept" anything. You can believe other people's sex lives are perverted. They might believe your sex life is perverted. All of you can just keep your noses out of other people's bedrooms. Minding your own private business isn't the same thing as condoning someone else's private business. If you're a government official standing behind a counter serving the public, do your job. Hand out the marriage licenses, the driver licenses, the fishing licenses, etc., to people who are entitled to them in accordance with the law.

bedroom privacy and government sanctionin gay marriage are two totally different things.

The government is telling all americans that the MUST accept gay marriage as a normal human activity.

That is no different than the government telling all americans that they MUST accept that homosexuality is a mental disease.

The point, which you seem to dense to get, is that the government should not be telling us what we must believe.

Homosexuality is a normally occurring condition in a percentage of every human population. Same sex marriage is a human relationship that gays desire in the same way and for the same purposes as heterosexuals.

It goes against the principle of a democratic society to deny same sex marriage to gays.

yes, homosexality occurs in a small % of the human population. Whether its genetic or learned is a topic for another thread.

There are many abnormalities that occur in humans. Why should we declare the abnormality of homosexuality as normal when things like bi-polar disorder and brain aneurysms are considered abnormal?

I do not understand the obsession that liberals have with homosexuality. Are all liberals closet gays?

 

[Redfish]

Talk about hypocrisy. you say that but support mandating that people accept gay marriage as normal. YOU are the ones intruding on people's lives.

Please explain how two guys filing a joint tax return is intruding on your life.

"I suddenly have an inexplicable desire to smoke poles."

I didn't say it was intruding on MY life. I said I don't give a shit what two fags or lesbians do to each other in private.

What I said is that IMO, sanctioning gay marriage will lead to sanctioning other forms of marriage like multiples, polygamy, sibling, parent/child etc--------------because its about money.

We are willing to sacrifice our culture so that a minority can get a larger tax refund.

When will the voting age be 4 years old?

Since thats your mental age, it must be now.

That's the best answer you have? Why didn't lowering the voting age to 18 put it on a slippery slope letting 4 year olds vote?

Explain that in the context of your belief that every change in the laws sends us on a slippery slope to the ridiculous.

stupid analogy, thats why I responded as I did.

 

[Redfish]

She wants that $80K salary & doesn't mind taking tax dollars from the homogays as she's denying their rights under the 14th Amendment after pledging to uphold the Constitution & its laws, while taking oaths is against her religion & respecting the government's authority is what her religion dictates.

She's a wolf in sheep's clothing, plain & simple.

Her issue was that she did not feel right about putting her signature on a gay marriage license. That was not an offence mandating jail and refusing bail.

a compromise was reached and everyone needs to STFU about it. She keeps her job and her clerks will sign the gay licenses that she objects to on religious grounds.

Why have we heard nothing from you libs about the muslim flight attendent who refused to serve alcohol even though it was part of her job when she accepted employment with the airline?

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

 

[Redfish]

You make some valid points. But on counter point. Society as a whole should decide what is to be considered right and wrong and moral and immoral. Those decisions should be made by everyone based on votes, not by 5 unelected old farts in black robes.

the SC decision on gay marriage WILL be used as a valid precedent for multiple marriage, polygamy, sibling marriage, and all other forms of human grouping.

Moral disapproval alone is not a legitimate government basis for restricting rights or doling them out to special groups while denying those same rights to others. The people don't want the morality police nosing about in every intimate corner of their lives.

Talk about hypocrisy. you say that but support mandating that people accept gay marriage as normal. YOU are the ones intruding on people's lives.

I agree, I don't give a shit what you and your partner or partners do in private. But I don't want the government telling me that I must condone it.

You don't have to "accept" anything. You can believe other people's sex lives are perverted. They might believe your sex life is perverted. All of you can just keep your noses out of other people's bedrooms. Minding your own private business isn't the same thing as condoning someone else's private business. If you're a government official standing behind a counter serving the public, do your job. Hand out the marriage licenses, the driver licenses, the fishing licenses, etc., to people who are entitled to them in accordance with the law.

bedroom privacy and government sanctionin gay marriage are two totally different things.

The government is telling all americans that the MUST accept gay marriage as a normal human activity.

That is no different than the government telling all americans that they MUST accept that homosexuality is a mental disease.

The point, which you seem to dense to get, is that the government should not be telling us what we must believe.

Or a religion that continuously tries to take control of the govt.. So they can make sure we are forced to hear about their religion..

since you brought up a religion trying to take control of the government. Read this:

Islamist Infiltration of the Obama Administration - Discover the Networks

 

[NYcarbineer]

Moral disapproval alone is not a legitimate government basis for restricting rights or doling them out to special groups while denying those same rights to others. The people don't want the morality police nosing about in every intimate corner of their lives.

Talk about hypocrisy. you say that but support mandating that people accept gay marriage as normal. YOU are the ones intruding on people's lives.

I agree, I don't give a shit what you and your partner or partners do in private. But I don't want the government telling me that I must condone it.

You don't have to "accept" anything. You can believe other people's sex lives are perverted. They might believe your sex life is perverted. All of you can just keep your noses out of other people's bedrooms. Minding your own private business isn't the same thing as condoning someone else's private business. If you're a government official standing behind a counter serving the public, do your job. Hand out the marriage licenses, the driver licenses, the fishing licenses, etc., to people who are entitled to them in accordance with the law.

bedroom privacy and government sanctionin gay marriage are two totally different things.

The government is telling all americans that the MUST accept gay marriage as a normal human activity.

That is no different than the government telling all americans that they MUST accept that homosexuality is a mental disease.

The point, which you seem to dense to get, is that the government should not be telling us what we must believe.

Homosexuality is a normally occurring condition in a percentage of every human population. Same sex marriage is a human relationship that gays desire in the same way and for the same purposes as heterosexuals.

It goes against the principle of a democratic society to deny same sex marriage to gays.

yes, homosexality occurs in a small % of the human population. Whether its genetic or learned is a topic for another thread.

There are many abnormalities that occur in humans. Why should we declare the abnormality of homosexuality as normal when things like bi-polar disorder and brain aneurysms are considered abnormal?

I do not understand the obsession that liberals have with homosexuality. Are all liberals closet gays?

Should we declare vegetarianism an abnormality and deny vegetarians the right to marry?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Please explain how two guys filing a joint tax return is intruding on your life.

"I suddenly have an inexplicable desire to smoke poles."

I didn't say it was intruding on MY life. I said I don't give a shit what two fags or lesbians do to each other in private.

What I said is that IMO, sanctioning gay marriage will lead to sanctioning other forms of marriage like multiples, polygamy, sibling, parent/child etc--------------because its about money.

We are willing to sacrifice our culture so that a minority can get a larger tax refund.

When will the voting age be 4 years old?

Since thats your mental age, it must be now.

That's the best answer you have? Why didn't lowering the voting age to 18 put it on a slippery slope letting 4 year olds vote?

Explain that in the context of your belief that every change in the laws sends us on a slippery slope to the ridiculous.

stupid analogy, thats why I responded as I did.

What is the constitutional argument against a 17 year old's claim of an equal right to vote?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Moral disapproval alone is not a legitimate government basis for restricting rights or doling them out to special groups while denying those same rights to others. The people don't want the morality police nosing about in every intimate corner of their lives.

Talk about hypocrisy. you say that but support mandating that people accept gay marriage as normal. YOU are the ones intruding on people's lives.

I agree, I don't give a shit what you and your partner or partners do in private. But I don't want the government telling me that I must condone it.

You don't have to "accept" anything. You can believe other people's sex lives are perverted. They might believe your sex life is perverted. All of you can just keep your noses out of other people's bedrooms. Minding your own private business isn't the same thing as condoning someone else's private business. If you're a government official standing behind a counter serving the public, do your job. Hand out the marriage licenses, the driver licenses, the fishing licenses, etc., to people who are entitled to them in accordance with the law.

bedroom privacy and government sanctionin gay marriage are two totally different things.

The government is telling all americans that the MUST accept gay marriage as a normal human activity.

That is no different than the government telling all americans that they MUST accept that homosexuality is a mental disease.

The point, which you seem to dense to get, is that the government should not be telling us what we must believe.

Or a religion that continuously tries to take control of the govt.. So they can make sure we are forced to hear about their religion..

Which religion is trying to take control of the government? Islam? Have you seen the list of muslims in the obama administration?

Huckabee is running for president.

 

[Redfish]

Talk about hypocrisy. you say that but support mandating that people accept gay marriage as normal. YOU are the ones intruding on people's lives.

I agree, I don't give a shit what you and your partner or partners do in private. But I don't want the government telling me that I must condone it.

You don't have to "accept" anything. You can believe other people's sex lives are perverted. They might believe your sex life is perverted. All of you can just keep your noses out of other people's bedrooms. Minding your own private business isn't the same thing as condoning someone else's private business. If you're a government official standing behind a counter serving the public, do your job. Hand out the marriage licenses, the driver licenses, the fishing licenses, etc., to people who are entitled to them in accordance with the law.

bedroom privacy and government sanctionin gay marriage are two totally different things.

The government is telling all americans that the MUST accept gay marriage as a normal human activity.

That is no different than the government telling all americans that they MUST accept that homosexuality is a mental disease.

The point, which you seem to dense to get, is that the government should not be telling us what we must believe.

Homosexuality is a normally occurring condition in a percentage of every human population. Same sex marriage is a human relationship that gays desire in the same way and for the same purposes as heterosexuals.

It goes against the principle of a democratic society to deny same sex marriage to gays.

yes, homosexality occurs in a small % of the human population. Whether its genetic or learned is a topic for another thread.

There are many abnormalities that occur in humans. Why should we declare the abnormality of homosexuality as normal when things like bi-polar disorder and brain aneurysms are considered abnormal?

I do not understand the obsession that liberals have with homosexuality. Are all liberals closet gays?

Should we declare vegetarianism an abnormality and deny vegetarians the right to marry?

only if they have sex with carrots.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You don't have to "accept" anything. You can believe other people's sex lives are perverted. They might believe your sex life is perverted. All of you can just keep your noses out of other people's bedrooms. Minding your own private business isn't the same thing as condoning someone else's private business. If you're a government official standing behind a counter serving the public, do your job. Hand out the marriage licenses, the driver licenses, the fishing licenses, etc., to people who are entitled to them in accordance with the law.

bedroom privacy and government sanctionin gay marriage are two totally different things.

The government is telling all americans that the MUST accept gay marriage as a normal human activity.

That is no different than the government telling all americans that they MUST accept that homosexuality is a mental disease.

The point, which you seem to dense to get, is that the government should not be telling us what we must believe.

Homosexuality is a normally occurring condition in a percentage of every human population. Same sex marriage is a human relationship that gays desire in the same way and for the same purposes as heterosexuals.

It goes against the principle of a democratic society to deny same sex marriage to gays.

yes, homosexality occurs in a small % of the human population. Whether its genetic or learned is a topic for another thread.

There are many abnormalities that occur in humans. Why should we declare the abnormality of homosexuality as normal when things like bi-polar disorder and brain aneurysms are considered abnormal?

I do not understand the obsession that liberals have with homosexuality. Are all liberals closet gays?

Should we declare vegetarianism an abnormality and deny vegetarians the right to marry?

only if they have sex with carrots.

So I win another argument.

 

[Redfish]

I didn't say it was intruding on MY life. I said I don't give a shit what two fags or lesbians do to each other in private.

What I said is that IMO, sanctioning gay marriage will lead to sanctioning other forms of marriage like multiples, polygamy, sibling, parent/child etc--------------because its about money.

We are willing to sacrifice our culture so that a minority can get a larger tax refund.

When will the voting age be 4 years old?

Since thats your mental age, it must be now.

That's the best answer you have? Why didn't lowering the voting age to 18 put it on a slippery slope letting 4 year olds vote?

Explain that in the context of your belief that every change in the laws sends us on a slippery slope to the ridiculous.

stupid analogy, thats why I responded as I did.

What is the constitutional argument against a 17 year old's claim of an equal right to vote?

if you want to make the age of majority 17, fine. then 17 year olds can vote. Why do you keep asking stupid questions?

 

[Redfish]

Talk about hypocrisy. you say that but support mandating that people accept gay marriage as normal. YOU are the ones intruding on people's lives.

I agree, I don't give a shit what you and your partner or partners do in private. But I don't want the government telling me that I must condone it.

You don't have to "accept" anything. You can believe other people's sex lives are perverted. They might believe your sex life is perverted. All of you can just keep your noses out of other people's bedrooms. Minding your own private business isn't the same thing as condoning someone else's private business. If you're a government official standing behind a counter serving the public, do your job. Hand out the marriage licenses, the driver licenses, the fishing licenses, etc., to people who are entitled to them in accordance with the law.

bedroom privacy and government sanctionin gay marriage are two totally different things.

The government is telling all americans that the MUST accept gay marriage as a normal human activity.

That is no different than the government telling all americans that they MUST accept that homosexuality is a mental disease.

The point, which you seem to dense to get, is that the government should not be telling us what we must believe.

Or a religion that continuously tries to take control of the govt.. So they can make sure we are forced to hear about their religion..

Which religion is trying to take control of the government? Islam? Have you seen the list of muslims in the obama administration?

Huckabee is running for president.

and he was never a serious contender. Now take a look at the muslims running our government

Islamist Infiltration of the Obama Administration - Discover the Networks

 

[Redfish]

bedroom privacy and government sanctionin gay marriage are two totally different things.

The government is telling all americans that the MUST accept gay marriage as a normal human activity.

That is no different than the government telling all americans that they MUST accept that homosexuality is a mental disease.

The point, which you seem to dense to get, is that the government should not be telling us what we must believe.

Homosexuality is a normally occurring condition in a percentage of every human population. Same sex marriage is a human relationship that gays desire in the same way and for the same purposes as heterosexuals.

It goes against the principle of a democratic society to deny same sex marriage to gays.

yes, homosexality occurs in a small % of the human population. Whether its genetic or learned is a topic for another thread.

There are many abnormalities that occur in humans. Why should we declare the abnormality of homosexuality as normal when things like bi-polar disorder and brain aneurysms are considered abnormal?

I do not understand the obsession that liberals have with homosexuality. Are all liberals closet gays?

Should we declare vegetarianism an abnormality and deny vegetarians the right to marry?

only if they have sex with carrots.

So I win another argument.

you have never won one, maybe some day, but not yet.