Latest Shutdown Casualty - ATC workers stay home, LaGuardia grounded

If we just had an example of how a president can deal with air traffic controllers. Hmm.
 
That's right, Trumpie me boy, you're fucking up the airports and endangering hundreds of thousand of lives FOR A WALL MEXICO WAS SUPPOSED TO PAY FOR.

FAA delays flights at New York’s LaGuardia airport, citing staffing shortages amid government shutdown - The Washington Post

The FAA on Twitter
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Good. All those Democratic politicos in New York should stay home and wonder if they are serving the interests of their constituents by continuing this shut down for no other reason that the President wants a border fence, something the Democrats also wanted right up until Trump was elected President.
 
That's right, Trumpie me boy, you're fucking up the airports and endangering hundreds of thousand of lives FOR A WALL MEXICO WAS SUPPOSED TO PAY FOR.

FAA delays flights at New York’s LaGuardia airport, citing staffing shortages amid government shutdown - The Washington Post

The FAA on Twitter
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Good. All those Democratic politicos in New York should stay home and wonder if they are serving the interests of their constituents by continuing this shut down for no other reason that the President wants a border fence, something the Democrats also wanted right up until Trump was elected President.


Did Democrats reverse border wall position after Trump?
 
No, that was a bill introduced by Republicans, that Dems rejected. They did not have enough votes-

“The vote on the bipartisan plan was 54-45, six short of the required 60. Eight Republicans who helped craft that compromise supported it, and three Democrats voted "no" including Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., who's viewed as a 2020 presidential hopeful.

That proposal offered the citizenship pathway for Dreamers and $25 billion for border security, but doled it out over 10 years. Trump's bill would have prevented legal immigrants from sponsoring parents and siblings for citizenship and would have ended a visa lottery aimed at allowing more diverse immigrants into the U.S. The compromise bill would have left the lottery system intact but barred Dreamers who obtain citizenship from sponsoring their parents.

The bipartisan measure's sponsors included eight GOP senators. It was produced by a group led by Republican Sen. Susan Collins of Maine and Democrat Manchin.”
'Dreamers' left in limbo as Senate rejects immigration bills


So, he couldn’t turn it down.

Tell Pelosi to work with the President.

Trump turned down 20 billion from Pelosi

STFU
No, he didn’t.


Senate rejects DACA bill, $25 billion for wall
 
No, that was a bill introduced by Republicans, that Dems rejected. They did not have enough votes-

“The vote on the bipartisan plan was 54-45, six short of the required 60. Eight Republicans who helped craft that compromise supported it, and three Democrats voted "no" including Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., who's viewed as a 2020 presidential hopeful.

That proposal offered the citizenship pathway for Dreamers and $25 billion for border security, but doled it out over 10 years. Trump's bill would have prevented legal immigrants from sponsoring parents and siblings for citizenship and would have ended a visa lottery aimed at allowing more diverse immigrants into the U.S. The compromise bill would have left the lottery system intact but barred Dreamers who obtain citizenship from sponsoring their parents.

The bipartisan measure's sponsors included eight GOP senators. It was produced by a group led by Republican Sen. Susan Collins of Maine and Democrat Manchin.”
'Dreamers' left in limbo as Senate rejects immigration bills


So, he couldn’t turn it down.

Tell Pelosi to work with the President.

Trump turned down 20 billion from Pelosi

STFU
No, he didn’t.


Senate rejects DACA bill, $25 billion for wall

ok fine, dont read the article I linked you to ... make stuff up as you go.
 
Honey, there were 4 bills introduced that day, the one with the $25 billion over 10 years was introduced by Republicans. They did not have enough votes to reach the 60 needed to pass. And that is the one the President was willing to sign.
S.AMDT. 1948 | Congressional Chronicle | C-SPAN.org
No, that was a bill introduced by Republicans, that Dems rejected. They did not have enough votes-

“The vote on the bipartisan plan was 54-45, six short of the required 60. Eight Republicans who helped craft that compromise supported it, and three Democrats voted "no" including Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., who's viewed as a 2020 presidential hopeful.

That proposal offered the citizenship pathway for Dreamers and $25 billion for border security, but doled it out over 10 years. Trump's bill would have prevented legal immigrants from sponsoring parents and siblings for citizenship and would have ended a visa lottery aimed at allowing more diverse immigrants into the U.S. The compromise bill would have left the lottery system intact but barred Dreamers who obtain citizenship from sponsoring their parents.

The bipartisan measure's sponsors included eight GOP senators. It was produced by a group led by Republican Sen. Susan Collins of Maine and Democrat Manchin.”
'Dreamers' left in limbo as Senate rejects immigration bills


So, he couldn’t turn it down.

Tell Pelosi to work with the President.

Trump turned down 20 billion from Pelosi

STFU
No, he didn’t.


Senate rejects DACA bill, $25 billion for wall

ok fine, dont read the article I linked you to ... make stuff up as you go.
 
Pelosi will only open the government after the Democrats cash their checks from the Mexican Drug Cartel.

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Honey, there were 4 bills introduced that day, the one with the $25 billion over 10 years was introduced by Republicans. They did not have enough votes to reach the 60 needed to pass. And that is the one the President was willing to sign.
S.AMDT. 1948 | Congressional Chronicle | C-SPAN.org
No, that was a bill introduced by Republicans, that Dems rejected. They did not have enough votes-

“The vote on the bipartisan plan was 54-45, six short of the required 60. Eight Republicans who helped craft that compromise supported it, and three Democrats voted "no" including Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., who's viewed as a 2020 presidential hopeful.

That proposal offered the citizenship pathway for Dreamers and $25 billion for border security, but doled it out over 10 years. Trump's bill would have prevented legal immigrants from sponsoring parents and siblings for citizenship and would have ended a visa lottery aimed at allowing more diverse immigrants into the U.S. The compromise bill would have left the lottery system intact but barred Dreamers who obtain citizenship from sponsoring their parents.

The bipartisan measure's sponsors included eight GOP senators. It was produced by a group led by Republican Sen. Susan Collins of Maine and Democrat Manchin.”
'Dreamers' left in limbo as Senate rejects immigration bills


So, he couldn’t turn it down.


ok fine, dont read the article I linked you to ... make stuff up as you go.


he threatened to VETO THE BILL WITH 25$ BILLION FOR THE WALL


H-O-N-E-Y

Democratic leaders rallied behind a bipartisan plan that would also give 1.8 million Dreamers a chance for citizenship. But while it would provide the $25 billion Trump wants for his wall, it would dole it out over 10 years and lacks most of the limits Trump is seeking on legal immigration.

The vote came after the White House threatened to veto the measure and underscored that the issue, a hot button for both parties, remained as intractable as it's been for years. Even the focus on Dreamers, who polls show win wide public support, was not enough to overcome opposition by hard-line conservatives and liberal Democratic presidential hopefuls — neither of whom want to alienate their parties' base voters.
 
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Not that one, honey-

The proposals needed 60 votes to advance. The first plan, which would have granted legal status to DACA recipients without any funding for Trump’s border wall, failed 52 to 47. The second amendment, targeting sanctuary cities, has also failed.

A third bill, the product of the broadest bipartisan compromise, with a DACA fix and border funding but minimal legal immigration changes, couldn’t muster the necessary support either. And lastly, the White House’s own immigration demands also failed on the Senate floor, garnering the least support of the four bills.

Trump played his part in Thursday’s showdown: At midday on Thursday, the White House issued a veto threat against the bipartisan bill that seems to have the best shot of winning the 60 votes needed. Before the veto threat, the president’s aides were telling reporters he won’t sign any bill that isn’t his proposed framework — Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) has crafted a bill based on the White House’s immigration policies.


Four immigration bills are being put on the Senate floor. Nothing has passed yet.
The Senate voted on four immigration bills on Thursday afternoon; they need 60 votes to advance. They all failed.

First up was a plan by Sens. Chris Coons (D-DE) and John McCain (R-AZ). The Coons-McCain bill would:

  • Provide a path to citizenship for 1.8 million undocumented immigrants who came to the country as children
  • Offer no money for Trump’s border wall, though it does include some border security measures
It failed 52 to 47, with Democrats almost united in favor and Republicans mostly voting against it.

What it means: The failure of the Coons-McCain plan underlined that, with the Republicans controlling every lever of power in Washington, a bill without any funding for Trump’s infamous border wall is a nonstarter.

The second vote, on an amendment from Sen. Pat Toomey (R-PA), didn’t actually address DACA or border security. The Toomey amendment would penalize so-called sanctuary cities that refuse to enforce federal immigration policy, by withholding federal funding from those municipalities. The issue has been a fixation for Trump and some of the conservative hardliners in Congress.

It failed 54 to 45. Republicans supported it, while Democrats were mostly opposed.

What it means: Sanctuary cities are a deeply partisan issue, so it is no surprise this failed to win broad bipartisan support. Republicans likely wanted to get vulnerable Democrats up for re-election in 2018 in states that Trump won on the record on the issue.

Third: the so-called Common Sense Caucus, a large bipartisan group led by Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME), released its own outline. The plan had gained the endorsement of Democratic leadership and is technically being sponsored by Minority Leader Chuck Schumer. The “Common Sense” plan would:

  • Provide a path to citizenship for 1.8 million undocumented immigrants who came to the country as children
  • Offer $25 billion for border security
  • Prevent DACA recipients from sponsoring their parents for legal status
It failed 54 to 45. Democrats almost unanimously backed the plan, along with eight Republicans. But the rest of the GOP conference and a handful of Democrats blocked the bill.

What it means: The “Common Sense” plan seemed like it had the best chance of winning 60 votes, but the White House threatened to veto it, and Republicans who had previously been more moderate on immigration refused to support it. This is the most damning vote on Thursday: No other bill seemed viable, and yet even this plan, after the White House’s intervention and amid intransigence from conservatives, could not win the necessary support.

For the fourth and final vote the White House got a vote on its demands, which have been mirrored in legislation from Grassley. The Grassley bill would:

  • Provide a path to citizenship for 1.8 million undocumented immigrants who came to the country as children
  • Offer $25 billion to fund a southern border wall
  • Substantially curtail family immigration and eliminate the diversity visa lottery program in such a way that would gut the legal immigration system
It failed, 39 to 60. Democrats opposed the bill en masse, joined by a notable number of Republicans, while most of the GOP conference supported it.

What it means: Trump’s own preferred immigration plan appears to be unviable in the Senate.
The Senate’s failed votes on DACA and immigration: what we know


Honey, there were 4 bills introduced that day, the one with the $25 billion over 10 years was introduced by Republicans. They did not have enough votes to reach the 60 needed to pass. And that is the one the President was willing to sign.
S.AMDT. 1948 | Congressional Chronicle | C-SPAN.org
No, that was a bill introduced by Republicans, that Dems rejected. They did not have enough votes-

“The vote on the bipartisan plan was 54-45, six short of the required 60. Eight Republicans who helped craft that compromise supported it, and three Democrats voted "no" including Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., who's viewed as a 2020 presidential hopeful.

That proposal offered the citizenship pathway for Dreamers and $25 billion for border security, but doled it out over 10 years. Trump's bill would have prevented legal immigrants from sponsoring parents and siblings for citizenship and would have ended a visa lottery aimed at allowing more diverse immigrants into the U.S. The compromise bill would have left the lottery system intact but barred Dreamers who obtain citizenship from sponsoring their parents.

The bipartisan measure's sponsors included eight GOP senators. It was produced by a group led by Republican Sen. Susan Collins of Maine and Democrat Manchin.”
'Dreamers' left in limbo as Senate rejects immigration bills


So, he couldn’t turn it down.


ok fine, dont read the article I linked you to ... make stuff up as you go.


he threatened to VETO THE BILL WITH 25$ BILLION FOR THE WALL


H-O-N-E-Y
 
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Not that one, honey-

The proposals needed 60 votes to advance. The first plan, which would have granted legal status to DACA recipients without any funding for Trump’s border wall, failed 52 to 47. The second amendment, targeting sanctuary cities, has also failed.

A third bill, the product of the broadest bipartisan compromise, with a DACA fix and border funding but minimal legal immigration changes, couldn’t muster the necessary support either. And lastly, the White House’s own immigration demands also failed on the Senate floor, garnering the least support of the four bills.

Trump played his part in Thursday’s showdown: At midday on Thursday, the White House issued a veto threat against the bipartisan bill that seems to have the best shot of winning the 60 votes needed. Before the veto threat, the president’s aides were telling reporters he won’t sign any bill that isn’t his proposed framework — Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) has crafted a bill based on the White House’s immigration policies.


Four immigration bills are being put on the Senate floor. Nothing has passed yet.
The Senate voted on four immigration bills on Thursday afternoon; they need 60 votes to advance. They all failed.

First up was a plan by Sens. Chris Coons (D-DE) and John McCain (R-AZ). The Coons-McCain bill would:

  • Provide a path to citizenship for 1.8 million undocumented immigrants who came to the country as children
  • Offer no money for Trump’s border wall, though it does include some border security measures
It failed 52 to 47, with Democrats almost united in favor and Republicans mostly voting against it.

What it means: The failure of the Coons-McCain plan underlined that, with the Republicans controlling every lever of power in Washington, a bill without any funding for Trump’s infamous border wall is a nonstarter.

The second vote, on an amendment from Sen. Pat Toomey (R-PA), didn’t actually address DACA or border security. The Toomey amendment would penalize so-called sanctuary cities that refuse to enforce federal immigration policy, by withholding federal funding from those municipalities. The issue has been a fixation for Trump and some of the conservative hardliners in Congress.

It failed 54 to 45. Republicans supported it, while Democrats were mostly opposed.

What it means: Sanctuary cities are a deeply partisan issue, so it is no surprise this failed to win broad bipartisan support. Republicans likely wanted to get vulnerable Democrats up for re-election in 2018 in states that Trump won on the record on the issue.

Third: the so-called Common Sense Caucus, a large bipartisan group led by Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME), released its own outline. The plan had gained the endorsement of Democratic leadership and is technically being sponsored by Minority Leader Chuck Schumer. The “Common Sense” plan would:

  • Provide a path to citizenship for 1.8 million undocumented immigrants who came to the country as children
  • Offer $25 billion for border security
  • Prevent DACA recipients from sponsoring their parents for legal status
It failed 54 to 45. Democrats almost unanimously backed the plan, along with eight Republicans. But the rest of the GOP conference and a handful of Democrats blocked the bill.

What it means: The “Common Sense” plan seemed like it had the best chance of winning 60 votes, but the White House threatened to veto it, and Republicans who had previously been more moderate on immigration refused to support it. This is the most damning vote on Thursday: No other bill seemed viable, and yet even this plan, after the White House’s intervention and amid intransigence from conservatives, could not win the necessary support.

For the fourth and final vote the White House got a vote on its demands, which have been mirrored in legislation from Grassley. The Grassley bill would:

  • Provide a path to citizenship for 1.8 million undocumented immigrants who came to the country as children
  • Offer $25 billion to fund a southern border wall
  • Substantially curtail family immigration and eliminate the diversity visa lottery program in such a way that would gut the legal immigration system
It failed, 39 to 60. Democrats opposed the bill en masse, joined by a notable number of Republicans, while most of the GOP conference supported it.

What it means: Trump’s own preferred immigration plan appears to be unviable in the Senate.
The Senate’s failed votes on DACA and immigration: what we know


Honey, there were 4 bills introduced that day, the one with the $25 billion over 10 years was introduced by Republicans. They did not have enough votes to reach the 60 needed to pass. And that is the one the President was willing to sign.
S.AMDT. 1948 | Congressional Chronicle | C-SPAN.org
No, that was a bill introduced by Republicans, that Dems rejected. They did not have enough votes-

“The vote on the bipartisan plan was 54-45, six short of the required 60. Eight Republicans who helped craft that compromise supported it, and three Democrats voted "no" including Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., who's viewed as a 2020 presidential hopeful.

That proposal offered the citizenship pathway for Dreamers and $25 billion for border security, but doled it out over 10 years. Trump's bill would have prevented legal immigrants from sponsoring parents and siblings for citizenship and would have ended a visa lottery aimed at allowing more diverse immigrants into the U.S. The compromise bill would have left the lottery system intact but barred Dreamers who obtain citizenship from sponsoring their parents.

The bipartisan measure's sponsors included eight GOP senators. It was produced by a group led by Republican Sen. Susan Collins of Maine and Democrat Manchin.”
'Dreamers' left in limbo as Senate rejects immigration bills


So, he couldn’t turn it down.


ok fine, dont read the article I linked you to ... make stuff up as you go.


he threatened to VETO THE BILL WITH 25$ BILLION FOR THE WALL


H-O-N-E-Y


ok, the senate approved the dem bill and Trump signed it - the government isnt shut down and we have a WALL.



GOT IT
 
he threatened to VETO THE BILL WITH 25$ BILLION FOR THE WALL


H-O-N-E-Y

Democratic leaders rallied behind a bipartisan plan that would also give 1.8 million Dreamers a chance for citizenship. But while it would provide the $25 billion Trump wants for his wall, it would dole it out over 10 years and lacks most of the limits Trump is seeking on legal immigration.

The vote came after the White House threatened to veto the measure and underscored that the issue, a hot button for both parties, remained as intractable as it's been for years. Even the focus on Dreamers, who polls show win wide public support, was not enough to overcome opposition by hard-line conservatives and liberal Democratic presidential hopefuls — neither of whom want to alienate their parties' base voters.
In other words, the bill sucked donkey ass and Trump would have been a fool to support such a shitty bill?

Right.

So again, why do we give a fuck if a New York airport is closed?

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