Le Pen "lost in France"

[badger2]

^^^
This has become nothing but but a NATO proxy war against Russia.

"The wiretaps in Mariupol indicate that there are many foreign mercenaries: the conversations are conducted not only in Russian and Ukrainian, but also in 6 other languages, mostly European”. For the first time, the Russian defense ministry confirms the presence of foreigners"

Well, the phony conversations in Bucha have people talking to one another which could not take place in push-button communications, as Scott Ritter has pointed out in the Patreon video, a video in which he also nails the US for not releasing what they know because of reverse-azimuth trajectories of the rocket strike at Kramatorsk, showing that it was launched in Ukraine-controlled territory. No serial n umbers reqquire to figure out the second mystery, again Zelenskiy's advisor showing up for the media-op.

The US knowing that a war crime has been committed at Kramatorsk is complicit in the war crime Because it knows the Ukrainians did it.

 

[badger2]

US radar picked up the Kramatorsk rocket strike and knows the location of missile-launch. Ritter even mentions a certain US radar installation.

 

[skye]

Le Pen and Macron are very close in this Election.

We'll have to wait....keeping fingers crossed for Marine Le Pen.

 

[frigidweirdo]

That democracy thing is awkward isnt it ?
Maybe she will do a trump and claim it was a fix ?

Oh, I think the chances she'll claim something irregular when she loses have gone up considerably since Trump did it.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Le Pen and Macron are very close in this Election.

We'll have to wait....keeping fingers crossed for Marine Le Pen.

Probably they're withing a few hundred kilometers or something, France being not that big.

Keep your fingers crossed that all the Jews and Arabs and Blacks will be kicked out of France and end up in the US, huh?

 

[Lastamender]

I wonder who Putin supports? After all, as all progressive americans know, it is Putin's support that ensures the victory of any candidate.

Kind of a PDS thing.

 

[Ropey]

To those foolishly attempting to brand Marine Le Pen as “Far Right”, well here is a reminder of Macrons leadership with the full support of the EU.

 

[alexa]

She won't.

She won 23.41% of the vote to Macron's 27.60

In 2017 she won 21.30% to Macron's 24.01% in the first round.

In the second round Macron won 66.1% and LePen 33.90%

LePen increased her vote by 12.6%

In 2002 LePen (the father) won 16.86% of the vote and Chirac 19.88% in the first round

In the second round Chirac won 82.21% to LePen's 17.79%.

LePen increased his vote by less than 1%.

The reality is that in such a first round, LePen can win enough to finish second. But in a straight race she just doesn't have the votes.

Yes, this is the highest number of votes the Front National has ever got in a Presidential election first round. But even still, she's need to get 50.1% of the vote, and she'll probably get 35%.

France does have a history of coming together to keep the far right out. If they get elected they put a 'cordon sanitarie' around them, meaning no one will do any deal with them allowing them into a position where they have power. However although Macron became popular for a while when he was sharing his nightmares with Putin this had gone down massively prior to the election. Remember Macron has not been popular. Last time they voted for Macron who was the unknown to keep Le Pen out. The left Wing candidate who got only slightly less than Le Penn at over 20% has asked his voters to keep Le Pen out but apparently only half of those who intend on voting say they will. After the last election people said that unless Macron was able to offer the people of France something good, this time they would go for Le Pen. With her watering down of her position and people's feeling of vulnerability along with the reality that no one is offering the French people the possibility of something they feel worth fighting for (idiots - save the ecosystem) France could be vulnerable to the same kind of 'up yours' feeling in the general public that brought the UK Brexit and allow Le Pen in.

 

[Toro]

Le Pen and Macron are very close in this Election.

We'll have to wait....keeping fingers crossed for Marine Le Pen.

Macron is further ahead of Le Pen after the first round than he was in 2017.

 

[Ropey]

Macron is further ahead of Le Pen after the first round than he was in 2017.

It's nice to see toro standing with Macron and old Klaus.

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Even if Macron has disabused toro of his progressivism.

 

[badger2]

If the random talk is true, there are Frenchmen and nazis under the steel plant, then a supreme irony is waiting in the wings: nazis themselves being gassed at Mariupol:

2022 Ap 11 DPR Hints at Use of Chemical Weapons at Mariupol
The URL has been made disfunctional by CIA-MI6-Homelandsecurity, fbi, etc., effeminates. It must be retrieved by other means.

 

[badger2]

It is retrievable via Yahoo search at this time. If the report is true, Le Pen is pro-Russian and would likely be caught in a double-bind. So too, Macron.

 

[frigidweirdo]

France does have a history of coming together to keep the far right out. If they get elected they put a 'cordon sanitarie' around them, meaning no one will do any deal with them allowing them into a position where they have power. However although Macron became popular for a while when he was sharing his nightmares with Putin this had gone down massively prior to the election. Remember Macron has not been popular. Last time they voted for Macron who was the unknown to keep Le Pen out. The left Wing candidate who got only slightly less than Le Penn at over 20% has asked his voters to keep Le Pen out but apparently only half of those who intend on voting say they will. After the last election people said that unless Macron was able to offer the people of France something good, this time they would go for Le Pen. With her watering down of her position and people's feeling of vulnerability along with the reality that no one is offering the French people the possibility of something they feel worth fighting for (idiots - save the ecosystem) France could be vulnerable to the same kind of 'up yours' feeling in the general public that brought the UK Brexit and allow Le Pen in.

The thing is that in US elections where, essentially, there's a run off right from the start, many people vote NEGATIVELY.

This happens in France too. They'll vote AGAINST LePen because of what she stands for. Macron might be unpopular, but he's not LePen. Nothing suggests that 50% or more of France would vote for LePen under anything but extreme circumstances.

Brexit happened in the UK with a lot of mainstream media pro-Brexit for 20 something years with a charismatic leader who wasn't tainted by far right extremism, didn't have a racist father, didn't stand for a party known to be racist. If France were going for a single issue that LePen supported, it might succeed, but for President, I can't see her getting more than 35%.

 

[badger2]

The thing is that in US elections where, essentially, there's a run off right from the start, many people vote NEGATIVELY.

This happens in France too. They'll vote AGAINST LePen because of what she stands for. Macron might be unpopular, but he's not LePen. Nothing suggests that 50% or more of France would vote for LePen under anything but extreme circumstances.

Brexit happened in the UK with a lot of mainstream media pro-Brexit for 20 something years with a charismatic leader who wasn't tainted by far right extremism, didn't have a racist father, didn't stand for a party known to be racist. If France were going for a single issue that LePen supported, it might succeed, but for President, I can't see her getting more than 35%.

But Maccaroni himself is caught in a contradiction that French voters will find out about or already have: The possibility of both French (and [[italics]) nazis gassed at Mariupol

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Where is the next Maurice Papon when ya need him

 

[Ringo]

The corrupt and arsonist of Libya, Sarkozy, said he would vote for Macron, the arsonist of Europe.

 

[alexa]

The thing is that in US elections where, essentially, there's a run off right from the start, many people vote NEGATIVELY. This happens in France too. They'll vote AGAINST LePen because of what she stands for. Macron might be unpopular, but he's not LePen. Nothing suggests that 50% or more of France would vote for LePen under anything but extreme circumstances.

Maybe but your political situation is different to France. They have got rid of their established Parties. I think it was the right wing one which only got 2% of the vote and is now looking for 4,000,000 francs or dollars for not being able to get the minimum amount of votes. Politically France is falling apart due to no one listening to the people and offering them something which is to their liking,. Almost half of the electors voted for what is known as the far right and left. LePen has stopped talking about leaving the EU, she has stopped talking about getting rid of immigrants, (I think). Most of all she is talking about economic change which is something everyone needs at the moment. Le Pen's supporters are not now just the far right. I know one who is not a far right person at all but is a little bit lacking in knowledge on Politics which most people are.

frigweirdo

Brexit happened in the UK with a lot of mainstream media pro-Brexit for 20 something years with a charismatic leader who wasn't tainted by far right extremism, didn't have a racist father, didn't stand for a party known to be racist. If France were going for a single issue that LePen supported, it might succeed, but for President, I can't see her getting more than 35%.

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True that the hedgefunders had been getting the mainstream media on the right to indoctrinate generally the poor and those who would suffer most to vote Brexit. Brexit was generally seen as far right. Farage used pictures of refugees trying to get into the UK to get his fans to vote for them. The UK had I think its largest ever show of racism after Brexit was won. However not everyone who voted for Brexit was far right, that is true and many voted for it just to let the established parties know what they thought of them. I trust you will now be able to see why I would not be definite in saying no. It could happen.


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[Decus]

Le Pen's economic policies are pure socialism. Le Pen's only "right-wing" policy is on immigration.

Le Pen is simply a socialist.

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[frigidweirdo]

Maybe but your political situation is different to France. They have got rid of their established Parties. I think it was the right wing one which only got 2% of the vote and is now looking for 4,000,000 francs or dollars for not being able to get the minimum amount of votes. Politically France is falling apart due to no one listening to the people and offering them something which is to their liking,. Almost half of the electors voted for what is known as the far right and left. LePen has stopped talking about leaving the EU, she has stopped talking about getting rid of immigrants, (I think). Most of all she is talking about economic change which is something everyone needs at the moment. Le Pen's supporters are not now just the far right. I know one who is not a far right person at all but is a little bit lacking in knowledge on Politics which most people are.

frigweirdo

True that the hedgefunders had been getting the mainstream media on the right to indoctrinate generally the poor and those who would suffer most to vote Brexit. Brexit was generally seen as far right. Farage used pictures of refugees trying to get into the UK to get his fans to vote for them. The UK had I think its largest ever show of racism after Brexit was won. However not everyone who voted for Brexit was far right, that is true and many voted for it just to let the established parties know what they thought of them. I trust you will now be able to see why I would not be definite in saying no. It could happen.


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France has always had it's fair share of radicals. In WW2 you have Vichy France, over time they had Communists and Nazis.

From 1984 Le Pen was doing well, getting a sizable portion of the electorate. Compare this to the BNP who never got more than 1.9% of the vote, 4.3% was the Front National's worst election since 1984 (the father's last election). It's just a thing in France that doesn't exist in the UK, probably because FPTP makes it much harder for such parties and because there's more zeal for it in France.

But remember that France 10% of people are Arabs, 5.5% blacks, people who are automatically going to vote against Le Pen and there's a sizable left wing vote of at least 30% that would never vote Le Pen at all.

No, not everyone who voted Brexit was far right, far from it, a lot of people are easy to manipulate, but people will find it hard to move over from left to right. Brexit was supported by more left wingers, like Corbyn, leader of Labour. Brexit was a strange one for that.

 

[alexa]

True that the hedgefunders had been getting the mainstream media on the right to indoctrinate generally the poor and those who would suffer most to vote Brexit. Brexit was generally seen as far right. Farage used pictures of refugees trying to get into the UK to get his fans to vote for them. The UK had I think its largest ever show of racism after Brexit was won. However not everyone who voted for Brexit was far right, that is true and many voted for it just to let the established parties know what they thought of them. I trust you will now be able to see why I would not be definite in saying no. It could happen.


sorry have not yet found how to use the quotes here.

France has always had it's fair share of radicals. In WW2 you have Vichy France, over time they had Communists and Nazis.

From 1984 Le Pen was doing well, getting a sizable portion of the electorate. Compare this to the BNP who never got more than 1.9% of the vote, 4.3% was the Front National's worst election since 1984 (the father's last election). It's just a thing in France that doesn't exist in the UK, probably because FPTP makes it much harder for such parties and because there's more zeal for it in France.

But remember that France 10% of people are Arabs, 5.5% blacks, people who are automatically going to vote against Le Pen and there's a sizable left wing vote of at least 30% that would never vote Le Pen at all.

No, not everyone who voted Brexit was far right, far from it, a lot of people are easy to manipulate, but people will find it hard to move over from left to right. Brexit was supported by more left wingers, like Corbyn, leader of Labour. Brexit was a strange one for that.

I am aware that we have been fortunate in not as yet having a sizeable far right party. It has been growing in England but up until now, being proud of not being part of that in the 40's has been sufficient for it not to become mainstream.

Corbyn supported Brexit firstly or did he ..... he had supported it at the last vote going with Tony Benn and particularly on the issue of democracy. I heard he did change his view when Yanis Varoufakis of Diem 25 had a chat with him and he was led to believe he had something to offer and that workers rights in the UK were likely to suffer enormously if we came out.. He supported Brexit after the vote because that was what people had voted for.

The thing about Arabs, Blacks and in the UK even East Europeans is the same as France. I can only go by what I know. I know that the person I mentioned genuinely did not think Le Pen was far right. I believe there has been a massive increase in the far right and they are affiliated to Le Pen.....and what I am reading and hearing right now says it could go either way....but I am not talking about the same thing as you. I do not see the problem as people moving to the far right. I see the problem as people rejecting their political systems. France has totally rejected both its old Left and its old Right wing parties. They are as good as gone. What they are left with is Macron who the left and more were wearing yellow vests and marching against or they have le Pen who is coming over as the most socialist.

The main problem is the rejection of the political system and in that England and Wales did vote for Brexit and at the very same time they did at least for a time become much more far right. 9I have not been able to keep up with this for some time) I am arguing this happened because the normal political system has been rejected. Scotland also has rejected the old political system but with them, they moved towards Independence and the far right have never as yet had any foothold here. Scotland did not vote for Brexit. France and the UK in this way have the same issue and France has it worse than England. It may well happen that they vote in LePen particularly because they like her economic policies.