Leader of the Free World? I don't think so

[Claudette]

We are one of five permanent members of the Security Council as spelled out by this document. You asked.

Learn to read and comprehend.........the UN charter is NOT one of our foundational documents. Reference the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution.

Declaration of Independence has no legal bearing

Neither does the UN charter. Just an agreement between nations.

And quit avoiding the question, where does it state that the U.S. has the responsibility to be the world leader?

In the Constitution.....Article II

The President receives all foreign Ambassadors. This clause of the Constitution, known as the Reception Clause, has been interpreted to imply that the President can be granted broad power over all matters of foreign policy by Congress,[24] and to provide support for the President's exclusive authority to grant recognition to a foreign sovereign

So the president can "recognize" a foreign sovereignty, I'm betting the heads of state of the other 190+ countries of the world have a similar authority. Does it make them the leader of (insert power wielding title here) of the world?

I agree and I'm sure those other 109+ countries aren't fighting each other to be seen as "leader of the free world."

I vote the Brits as leaders of the free world.

 

[Rob37]

ummmmmh......... newsflash.........The United Nations is NOT the United States. We participate with other nations, not fund and resource everyone else that wants to be our ally (NATO)

We are one of five permanent members of the Security Council as spelled out by this document. You asked.

Learn to read and comprehend.........the UN charter is NOT one of our foundational documents. Reference the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution.

Declaration of Independence has no legal bearing

Neither does the UN charter. Just an agreement between nations.

And quit avoiding the question, where does it state that the U.S. has the responsibility to be the world leader?

In the Constitution.....Article II

The President receives all foreign Ambassadors. This clause of the Constitution, known as the Reception Clause, has been interpreted to imply that the President can be granted broad power over all matters of foreign policy by Congress,[24] and to provide support for the President's exclusive authority to grant recognition to a foreign sovereign

Hilarious! Right winger jumped the shark right before our eyes!

 

[rightwinger]

We are one of five permanent members of the Security Council as spelled out by this document. You asked.

Learn to read and comprehend.........the UN charter is NOT one of our foundational documents. Reference the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution.

Declaration of Independence has no legal bearing

Neither does the UN charter. Just an agreement between nations.

And quit avoiding the question, where does it state that the U.S. has the responsibility to be the world leader?

In the Constitution.....Article II

The President receives all foreign Ambassadors. This clause of the Constitution, known as the Reception Clause, has been interpreted to imply that the President can be granted broad power over all matters of foreign policy by Congress,[24] and to provide support for the President's exclusive authority to grant recognition to a foreign sovereign

Hilarious! Right winger jumped the shark right before our eyes!

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[JimH52]

Does anyone honestly believe there is any department in the federal government which includes defense that does not have waste in it that could be cut? Everyone talks about controlling government spending yet as soon as someone puts out a proposal to do it it's all you can't cut this you can't cut that this department or that one is special and should be untouchable.

Cutting funding to Meals on Wheels....REALLY?

They claim it is not meeting its objectives

What? Providing meals to old people?

I can understand that reasoning, since their "objectives" is to enrich the wealthy and Comrade's family.

 

[LTCArmyRet]

please tell me, where in any of our official foundation documents does it state that the U.S. and it's President are responsible to be the leaders of the "free world" . I can only find where the Pres. is responsible to the people of the U.S. , no more, no less.

"to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind,"

Charter of the United Nations | United Nations

.............................

1. To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace;

..............................

1. The Security Council shall consist of fifteen Members of the United Nations. The Republic of China, France, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and the United States of America shall be permanent members of the Security Council. The General Assembly shall elect ten other Members of the United Nations to be non-permanent members of the Security Council, due regard being specially paid, in the first instance to the contribution of Members of the United Nations to the maintenance of international peace and security and to the other purposes of the Organization, and also to equitable geographical distribution.

ummmmmh......... newsflash.........The United Nations is NOT the United States. We participate with other nations, not fund and resource everyone else that wants to be our ally (NATO)

We are one of five permanent members of the Security Council as spelled out by this document. You asked.

Learn to read and comprehend.........the UN charter is NOT one of our foundational documents. Reference the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution.

It is one of the founding documents that established the USA as one of 5 leading countries. Our ratification of the UN Charter was well within the boundaries setup by our Constitution. Being the strongest of the three Free Nations it is the founding document that establishes the US as the leader of the free world. Well we were the leader, now looks like we're floundering.

Never said it was outside the boundaries of our Constitution. That being said, don't think it "established" the U.S. as the leader, think you are stretching it there. If we are viewed as the leader, why has there not been a UN Secretary General from the U.S.?

 

[blackhawk]

Does anyone honestly believe there is any department in the federal government which includes defense that does not have waste in it that could be cut? Everyone talks about controlling government spending yet as soon as someone puts out a proposal to do it it's all you can't cut this you can't cut that this department or that one is special and should be untouchable.

Cutting funding to Meals on Wheels....REALLY?

They claim it is not meeting its objectives

What? Providing meals to old people?

I can understand that reasoning, since their "objectives" is to enrich the wealthy and Comrade's family.

According to their 2015 financial statements the program brought in 7.5 million in funding with corporate and foundation grants making up 5.15 million of that government grants made up $248,347 of that about 3 percent give or take. So they are getting a cut in something that is a pretty small part of their budget.

 

[BlindBoo]

"to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind,"

Charter of the United Nations | United Nations

.............................

1. To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace;

..............................

1. The Security Council shall consist of fifteen Members of the United Nations. The Republic of China, France, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and the United States of America shall be permanent members of the Security Council. The General Assembly shall elect ten other Members of the United Nations to be non-permanent members of the Security Council, due regard being specially paid, in the first instance to the contribution of Members of the United Nations to the maintenance of international peace and security and to the other purposes of the Organization, and also to equitable geographical distribution.

ummmmmh......... newsflash.........The United Nations is NOT the United States. We participate with other nations, not fund and resource everyone else that wants to be our ally (NATO)

We are one of five permanent members of the Security Council as spelled out by this document. You asked.

Learn to read and comprehend.........the UN charter is NOT one of our foundational documents. Reference the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution.

It is one of the founding documents that established the USA as one of 5 leading countries. Our ratification of the UN Charter was well within the boundaries setup by our Constitution. Being the strongest of the three Free Nations it is the founding document that establishes the US as the leader of the free world. Well we were the leader, now looks like we're floundering.

Never said it was outside the boundaries of our Constitution. That being said, don't think it "established" the U.S. as the leader, think you are stretching it there. If we are viewed as the leader, why has there not been a UN Secretary General from the U.S.?

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. It established our leadership role on paper. It took presidents like Truman and Eisenhower to become the leader of the free world. Time will tell if this president is up to the task or if he will continue to flounder.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The UN is a waste of space. Trump should take a page from Feinstein (D-CA) and sell the UN building to his son in law and let him condo it

 

[BlindBoo]

The UN is a waste of space. Trump should take a page from Feinstein (D-CA) and sell the UN building to his son in law and let him condo it

This UN?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/sep/04/iraq.

The Bush administration suffered a humiliating diplomatic climbdown over Iraq yesterday as it presented a draft resolution to the UN, asking for military and financial help to rescue it from the ballooning human, financial and political costs of the occupation.

The draft resolution calls for a security council mandate for a multinational military force, under a unified command and with American commanders ultimately in charge.

Or this UN?

Global Ebola Response

 

[LTCArmyRet]

ummmmmh......... newsflash.........The United Nations is NOT the United States. We participate with other nations, not fund and resource everyone else that wants to be our ally (NATO)

We are one of five permanent members of the Security Council as spelled out by this document. You asked.

Learn to read and comprehend.........the UN charter is NOT one of our foundational documents. Reference the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution.

It is one of the founding documents that established the USA as one of 5 leading countries. Our ratification of the UN Charter was well within the boundaries setup by our Constitution. Being the strongest of the three Free Nations it is the founding document that establishes the US as the leader of the free world. Well we were the leader, now looks like we're floundering.

Never said it was outside the boundaries of our Constitution. That being said, don't think it "established" the U.S. as the leader, think you are stretching it there. If we are viewed as the leader, why has there not been a UN Secretary General from the U.S.?

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. It established our leadership role on paper. It took presidents like Truman and Eisenhower to become the leader of the free world. Time will tell if this president is up to the task or if he will continue to flounder.

he can't do any worse than Barry the apologist who created ISIS.

 

[BlindBoo]

We are one of five permanent members of the Security Council as spelled out by this document. You asked.

Learn to read and comprehend.........the UN charter is NOT one of our foundational documents. Reference the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution.

It is one of the founding documents that established the USA as one of 5 leading countries. Our ratification of the UN Charter was well within the boundaries setup by our Constitution. Being the strongest of the three Free Nations it is the founding document that establishes the US as the leader of the free world. Well we were the leader, now looks like we're floundering.

Never said it was outside the boundaries of our Constitution. That being said, don't think it "established" the U.S. as the leader, think you are stretching it there. If we are viewed as the leader, why has there not been a UN Secretary General from the U.S.?

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. It established our leadership role on paper. It took presidents like Truman and Eisenhower to become the leader of the free world. Time will tell if this president is up to the task or if he will continue to flounder.

he can't do any worse than Barry the apologist who created ISIS.

Oh I believe he already has. Twice he's claimed that somehow the US is no better or different than a country whose leader routinely kills off his political opposition.

ISIS is the Sunni faction of Iraqis who were driven into Syria. They never would have formed without the breakup of the Iraqi state.

 

[LTCArmyRet]

Learn to read and comprehend.........the UN charter is NOT one of our foundational documents. Reference the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution.

It is one of the founding documents that established the USA as one of 5 leading countries. Our ratification of the UN Charter was well within the boundaries setup by our Constitution. Being the strongest of the three Free Nations it is the founding document that establishes the US as the leader of the free world. Well we were the leader, now looks like we're floundering.

Never said it was outside the boundaries of our Constitution. That being said, don't think it "established" the U.S. as the leader, think you are stretching it there. If we are viewed as the leader, why has there not been a UN Secretary General from the U.S.?

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. It established our leadership role on paper. It took presidents like Truman and Eisenhower to become the leader of the free world. Time will tell if this president is up to the task or if he will continue to flounder.

he can't do any worse than Barry the apologist who created ISIS.

Oh I believe he already has. Twice he's claimed that somehow the US is no better or different than a country whose leader routinely kills off his political opposition.

ISIS is the Sunni faction of Iraqis who were driven into Syria. They never would have formed without the breakup of the Iraqi state.

agree to disagree with the first issue.

As for the second, yes, they are Sunni, not just Iraqis though. They never would have formed if not for the U.S. pulling out of Iraq too early which allowed the Shia influence from Iran to fully infiltrate the fledgling Iraqi government. EVERY Senior U.S. Military Leader tried to tell Barry that we needed more time to stabilize the Iraqi government. Then throw the ill conceived Arab spring movement instigated and resourced by the U.S., and that only provided a strong motivation for others to join the ISIS efforts, and barbaric as they were.

 

[LTCArmyRet]

The UN is a waste of space. Trump should take a page from Feinstein (D-CA) and sell the UN building to his son in law and let him condo it

This UN?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/sep/04/iraq.

The Bush administration suffered a humiliating diplomatic climbdown over Iraq yesterday as it presented a draft resolution to the UN, asking for military and financial help to rescue it from the ballooning human, financial and political costs of the occupation.

The draft resolution calls for a security council mandate for a multinational military force, under a unified command and with American commanders ultimately in charge.

Or this UN?

Global Ebola Response

Are you libtards ever going to quit blaming Bush for anything? Geez, Oduma had 8 years to "fix" the situation, and what does he do? Fuck it up royally!!! It's worse now than ever. Over a million dead in Iraq alone since ISIS came into being as a result of his botched Arab Spring movement. Syria in a protracted civil war that Oduma drew several "red lines" in the sand only to change his position when Assad or Putin stepped over them. Oduma is a jellyfish with no backbone.

 

[bendog]

The UN is a waste of space. Trump should take a page from Feinstein (D-CA) and sell the UN building to his son in law and let him condo it

This UN?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/sep/04/iraq.

The Bush administration suffered a humiliating diplomatic climbdown over Iraq yesterday as it presented a draft resolution to the UN, asking for military and financial help to rescue it from the ballooning human, financial and political costs of the occupation.

The draft resolution calls for a security council mandate for a multinational military force, under a unified command and with American commanders ultimately in charge.

Or this UN?

Global Ebola Response

Are you libtards ever going to quit blaming Bush for anything? Geez, Oduma had 8 years to "fix" the situation, and what does he do? Fuck it up royally!!! It's worse now than ever. Over a million dead in Iraq alone since ISIS came into being as a result of his botched Arab Spring movement. Syria in a protracted civil war that Oduma drew several "red lines" in the sand only to change his position when Assad or Putin stepped over them. Oduma is a jellyfish with no backbone.

Fuck W and you too fake Col. Orange Man said we're no better than Putin's thugs. Reagan JFK or RFK would have torn out his asshole.

 

[BlindBoo]

It is one of the founding documents that established the USA as one of 5 leading countries. Our ratification of the UN Charter was well within the boundaries setup by our Constitution. Being the strongest of the three Free Nations it is the founding document that establishes the US as the leader of the free world. Well we were the leader, now looks like we're floundering.

Never said it was outside the boundaries of our Constitution. That being said, don't think it "established" the U.S. as the leader, think you are stretching it there. If we are viewed as the leader, why has there not been a UN Secretary General from the U.S.?

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. It established our leadership role on paper. It took presidents like Truman and Eisenhower to become the leader of the free world. Time will tell if this president is up to the task or if he will continue to flounder.

he can't do any worse than Barry the apologist who created ISIS.

Oh I believe he already has. Twice he's claimed that somehow the US is no better or different than a country whose leader routinely kills off his political opposition.

ISIS is the Sunni faction of Iraqis who were driven into Syria. They never would have formed without the breakup of the Iraqi state.

agree to disagree with the first issue.

As for the second, yes, they are Sunni, not just Iraqis though. They never would have formed if not for the U.S. pulling out of Iraq too early which allowed the Shia influence from Iran to fully infiltrate the fledgling Iraqi government. EVERY Senior U.S. Military Leader tried to tell Barry that we needed more time to stabilize the Iraqi government. Then throw the ill conceived Arab spring movement instigated and resourced by the U.S., and that only provided a strong motivation for others to join the ISIS efforts, and barbaric as they were.

I really can't blame the invasion of Iraq either. It was the occupation that lead to the breakup of the state and the ensuing civil war. The US withdrawal was forced on President Bush by the Iraqis and the UN. He had a full year to negotiate a SOFA with the Iraqi that included a stabilizing force but he wasn't able to. So you can blame President Obama for getting the same results in negotiating with the Iraqis if you want, but it would not have been necessary if the country had not been driven into a sectarian civil war to begin with.

 

[BlindBoo]

The UN is a waste of space. Trump should take a page from Feinstein (D-CA) and sell the UN building to his son in law and let him condo it

This UN?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/sep/04/iraq.

The Bush administration suffered a humiliating diplomatic climbdown over Iraq yesterday as it presented a draft resolution to the UN, asking for military and financial help to rescue it from the ballooning human, financial and political costs of the occupation.

The draft resolution calls for a security council mandate for a multinational military force, under a unified command and with American commanders ultimately in charge.

Or this UN?

Global Ebola Response

Are you libtards ever going to quit blaming Bush for anything? Geez, Oduma had 8 years to "fix" the situation, and what does he do? Fuck it up royally!!! It's worse now than ever. Over a million dead in Iraq alone since ISIS came into being as a result of his botched Arab Spring movement. Syria in a protracted civil war that Oduma drew several "red lines" in the sand only to change his position when Assad or Putin stepped over them. Oduma is a jellyfish with no backbone.

After ignoring the UN and invading anyway, don't you think it was seen as an embarrassment for President Bush to have to go crawling to the UN for help with the occupation? It certainly had ramifications in 2008 when the UN at the behest of the fledgling Iraqi government, withdrew the Occupation Mandate didn't it?

 

[Avatar4321]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/16/us/politics/trump-budget-spending-cuts.html

So Trump increases funding to the military while he slashes funding to the State Department. What is the purpose of the State Department? To represent our interests abroad. How do we "lead" the free world when our President slashes funds for foreign diplomats and the UN? How do we diplomatically engage our allies and opponents with a shadow State Department?

Trumps answer seems to be to resolve issues with the military rather than diplomacy. The same man who vowed to avoid foreign entanglements has decimated the agency that allows us to resolve conflicts without committing our troops

Inexplicable. Regardless of whether the foreign policy is military power-first or diplomacy-first, global intelligence has to be at the very top of our list of priorities.

Particularly considering the fact that cyber warfare may be the next major global battleground.
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Obama spent the last eight years engaging our allies to assume a stronger role in global affairs. Let them engage their military. Let them assume the risk. Diplomacy was valued over military action and military action was deferred to our allies.

Slashing our State Department is not a solution to reducing our foreign entanglements. Republicans have been harping about cutting foreign aid for decades. But foreign aid serves a purpose. It is the carrot that we offer so we don't have to use the military stick

Trump seems intent on leaving us no options but the stick

And how has that carrot been working for us?

Quite well

It enabled us to avoid boots on the ground in Libya, Egypt, Syria. It has allowed improved communications and interaction with Cuba and Iran. It has enabled us to rely more on our NATO allies

Those are examples of failure.......gggeeeez

Hardly....not having American soldiers coming home in body bags is not a failure
That is why we maintain a State Department

Americans were never at risk of coming home in body bags because congress was never going to authorize an invasion in any of those nations despite what Obama wanted.

 

[LTCArmyRet]

Never said it was outside the boundaries of our Constitution. That being said, don't think it "established" the U.S. as the leader, think you are stretching it there. If we are viewed as the leader, why has there not been a UN Secretary General from the U.S.?

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. It established our leadership role on paper. It took presidents like Truman and Eisenhower to become the leader of the free world. Time will tell if this president is up to the task or if he will continue to flounder.

he can't do any worse than Barry the apologist who created ISIS.

Oh I believe he already has. Twice he's claimed that somehow the US is no better or different than a country whose leader routinely kills off his political opposition.

ISIS is the Sunni faction of Iraqis who were driven into Syria. They never would have formed without the breakup of the Iraqi state.

agree to disagree with the first issue.

As for the second, yes, they are Sunni, not just Iraqis though. They never would have formed if not for the U.S. pulling out of Iraq too early which allowed the Shia influence from Iran to fully infiltrate the fledgling Iraqi government. EVERY Senior U.S. Military Leader tried to tell Barry that we needed more time to stabilize the Iraqi government. Then throw the ill conceived Arab spring movement instigated and resourced by the U.S., and that only provided a strong motivation for others to join the ISIS efforts, and barbaric as they were.

I really can't blame the invasion of Iraq either. It was the occupation that lead to the breakup of the state and the ensuing civil war. The US withdrawal was forced on President Bush by the Iraqis and the UN. He had a full year to negotiate a SOFA with the Iraqi that included a stabilizing force but he wasn't able to. So you can blame President Obama for getting the same results in negotiating with the Iraqis if you want, but it would not have been necessary if the country had not been driven into a sectarian civil war to begin with.

So you are blaming the sectarian violence on Bush?? So I guess the 1400 years of Shia-Sunni violence had nothing to do with it?

Yes, I can blame Oduma, Bush negotiated a SOFA with Iraq. Oduma refused to even attempt a renegotiation and take U.S. forces out. That allowed the Iranian influence to flow freely into Iraq which we had been keeping at bay. Once the Sunnis were being pushed out by the Shia (backed by Iran), that is when the stage was set for ISIS to evolve.

 

[LTCArmyRet]

The UN is a waste of space. Trump should take a page from Feinstein (D-CA) and sell the UN building to his son in law and let him condo it

This UN?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/sep/04/iraq.

The Bush administration suffered a humiliating diplomatic climbdown over Iraq yesterday as it presented a draft resolution to the UN, asking for military and financial help to rescue it from the ballooning human, financial and political costs of the occupation.

The draft resolution calls for a security council mandate for a multinational military force, under a unified command and with American commanders ultimately in charge.

Or this UN?

Global Ebola Response

Are you libtards ever going to quit blaming Bush for anything? Geez, Oduma had 8 years to "fix" the situation, and what does he do? Fuck it up royally!!! It's worse now than ever. Over a million dead in Iraq alone since ISIS came into being as a result of his botched Arab Spring movement. Syria in a protracted civil war that Oduma drew several "red lines" in the sand only to change his position when Assad or Putin stepped over them. Oduma is a jellyfish with no backbone.

After ignoring the UN and invading anyway, don't you think it was seen as an embarrassment for President Bush to have to go crawling to the UN for help with the occupation? It certainly had ramifications in 2008 when the UN at the behest of the fledgling Iraqi government, withdrew the Occupation Mandate didn't it?

NO. The occupation mandate was actually upheld by the UN Security council, Adnon Kafi, UN Sec Gen falsely claimed that it was illegal. Maliki requested the troops stay. Not sure how that is defined as crawling to you. By presenting the draft resolution to the UN, the U.S. was offering
other nations the opportunity to assist the Iraqi government, but instead they refused to help and chose to set back and complain about the issue like spoiled brats.

 

[rightwinger]

So Trump sells out our State Department and ability to garner influence around the world

Diplomacy is for pussies when you have a retard as your president