Learning the wrong lesson. Gun Control.

[Blues Man]

The FF's were more afraid of a Govt. take over than they were someone invading the US.

Very smart long thinking men.

We have the second because at the time we had no standing army. That's it. They sure weren't worried about tyrants, it's a government of the people. They set us up so we wouldn't have tyrants. The second was to defend the country, which is no longer needed now we have the most powerful army in the world.

You should do a little research before you run off at the mouth.

The FF were very worried about a tyrannical government.

The Founders’ Fear | What Would The Founders Think?

The Shalafi's Journal: A few quotes by the Founding Fathers on the threat of tyranny.

TOP 25 TYRANNY FOUNDING FATHERS QUOTES | A-Z Quotes

Our Founding Fathers wanted a republic, not a democracy

And there are many more to chose from.

Why the anti-tyranny case for the 2nd Amendment shouldn't be dismissed so quickly
When the proposed Constitution was before the people for ratification, many anti-Federalists worried that the new government would be too powerful, and could become tyrannical. In Federalist No. 46, James Madison reassured the public that the many checks and balances in the Constitution — the separation of powers between the executive, legislative, and judicial branches, for example — made it very unlikely that a tyrant could seize power. If a tyrant did, he would speedily be deposed by the state governments, who would lead the armed people in the militias.

Maybe you won't dodge the question

Tell me what gun ban of any type has ever reduced the gun murder rate by 41% in one year

And then explain how in Richmond VA gun murder was reduced by 41% in one year without gun bans or any restrictions on law abiding gun owners whatsoever

Project Exile, U.S. Attorney's Office -- Eastern District of Virginia

It went down for the whole country during that period. It declined after the Brady Bill. You know, gun control.

Study Shows Brady Bill Had No Impact on Gun Homicides

 

[Olde Europe]

They are as rifles of any kind are used in about 2% of all murders so semiautomatic rifles are not the problem

Fifty dead. About as many gun homicides in this one incident in New Zealand than in all of 2009 to 2015 combined (51).

But "semiautomatic rifles are not the problem".

There is no way on earth to excuse the gun nutters' imbecility. There just isn't.

I don't care what happens in NZ.

Gun Control that Actually Works

Now tell me how Project Exile reduced gun murders in the Richmond VA area by 41% in just one year without banning any guns or any magazines and without putting any restrictions on law abiding gun owners whatsoever?

And what gun law that banned anything ever had that kind of success?

You should have stopped after "I don't care". A 10 month statistical blip doesn't mean anything, and neither does a falsely claimed causality. That's just ludicrous. Richmond at around 2012 still ranked among the top ten of U.S. cities in terms of gun homicides.

To repeat:

Fifty dead. About as many gun homicides in this one incident in New Zealand than in all of 2009 to 2015 combined (51).

There is no way on earth to excuse the gun nutters' imbecility. There just isn't.

 

[Brain357]

People get shot in their homes all the time.
Woman shot in both feet while laying in bed in Connecticut

By stray bullets it doesn't matter what type of gun it comes from

So you aren't safe in your home. And it's easy to sneak guns into public places as we have seen. So your truck example is dismissed.

I'm perfectly safe in my own home because I don't live in a shitty area with a lot of crime but I do live in an area where legal gun ownership is very high

Well sorry, we aren't talking about just you princess. Like I said, many are shot in their home. That's a fact.

So what?

Many people are killed falling down the stairs in their own home too

Ban stairs

That's not murder.

 

[cnm]

Tell me what gun ban of any type has ever reduced the gun murder rate by 41% in one year

And then explain how in Richmond VA gun murder was reduced by 41% in one year without gun bans or any restrictions on law abiding gun owners whatsoever

Evaluated by:
No formal evaluation is being conducted.

How has it done in the years up to now, or was it just a stunt by officials coming up for election to get a bit of face time in the news, a flash in the pan? And what exactly did it do? Not release people on bail, was that it?

 

[Brain357]

We have the second because at the time we had no standing army. That's it. They sure weren't worried about tyrants, it's a government of the people. They set us up so we wouldn't have tyrants. The second was to defend the country, which is no longer needed now we have the most powerful army in the world.

You should do a little research before you run off at the mouth.

The FF were very worried about a tyrannical government.

The Founders’ Fear | What Would The Founders Think?

The Shalafi's Journal: A few quotes by the Founding Fathers on the threat of tyranny.

TOP 25 TYRANNY FOUNDING FATHERS QUOTES | A-Z Quotes

Our Founding Fathers wanted a republic, not a democracy

And there are many more to chose from.

Why the anti-tyranny case for the 2nd Amendment shouldn't be dismissed so quickly
When the proposed Constitution was before the people for ratification, many anti-Federalists worried that the new government would be too powerful, and could become tyrannical. In Federalist No. 46, James Madison reassured the public that the many checks and balances in the Constitution — the separation of powers between the executive, legislative, and judicial branches, for example — made it very unlikely that a tyrant could seize power. If a tyrant did, he would speedily be deposed by the state governments, who would lead the armed people in the militias.

Maybe you won't dodge the question

Tell me what gun ban of any type has ever reduced the gun murder rate by 41% in one year

And then explain how in Richmond VA gun murder was reduced by 41% in one year without gun bans or any restrictions on law abiding gun owners whatsoever

Project Exile, U.S. Attorney's Office -- Eastern District of Virginia

It went down for the whole country during that period. It declined after the Brady Bill. You know, gun control.

not by 41% in one year it didin't

In The Shadow Of Exile

Rochester is the city in the best position to tell us whether Exile does what its proponents say it should: reduce gun violence. It has the longest-running program in the country, which continues today. Yet in Rochester, like everywhere else, no one knows whether Exile works. In the program’s 18 years, judges have handed out 633 sentences for a total of 3,411 years in federal prison. But the city had 24 gun murders last year — giving it a rate more than four times New York City’s. And community relations with police, as in many cities, are strained. The enthusiasm for Exile appears to be based more in rhetoric than in evidence, which leaves some people asking whether it’s worth the human costs.

 

[Blues Man]

They are as rifles of any kind are used in about 2% of all murders so semiautomatic rifles are not the problem

Fifty dead. About as many gun homicides in this one incident in New Zealand than in all of 2009 to 2015 combined (51).

But "semiautomatic rifles are not the problem".

There is no way on earth to excuse the gun nutters' imbecility. There just isn't.

I don't care what happens in NZ.

Gun Control that Actually Works

Now tell me how Project Exile reduced gun murders in the Richmond VA area by 41% in just one year without banning any guns or any magazines and without putting any restrictions on law abiding gun owners whatsoever?

And what gun law that banned anything ever had that kind of success?

You should have stopped after "I don't care". A 10 month statistical blip doesn't mean anything, and neither does a falsely claimed causality. That's just ludicrous. Richmond at around 2012 still ranked among the top ten of U.S. cities in terms of gun homicides.

To repeat:

Fifty dead. About as many gun homicides in this one incident in New Zealand than in all of 2009 to 2015 combined (51).

There is no way on earth to excuse the gun nutters' imbecility. There just isn't.

41% is not a statistical blip

And what gun ban ever did that in 10 years?

 

[Blues Man]

You should do a little research before you run off at the mouth.

The FF were very worried about a tyrannical government.

The Founders’ Fear | What Would The Founders Think?

The Shalafi's Journal: A few quotes by the Founding Fathers on the threat of tyranny.

TOP 25 TYRANNY FOUNDING FATHERS QUOTES | A-Z Quotes

Our Founding Fathers wanted a republic, not a democracy

And there are many more to chose from.

Why the anti-tyranny case for the 2nd Amendment shouldn't be dismissed so quickly
When the proposed Constitution was before the people for ratification, many anti-Federalists worried that the new government would be too powerful, and could become tyrannical. In Federalist No. 46, James Madison reassured the public that the many checks and balances in the Constitution — the separation of powers between the executive, legislative, and judicial branches, for example — made it very unlikely that a tyrant could seize power. If a tyrant did, he would speedily be deposed by the state governments, who would lead the armed people in the militias.

Maybe you won't dodge the question

Tell me what gun ban of any type has ever reduced the gun murder rate by 41% in one year

And then explain how in Richmond VA gun murder was reduced by 41% in one year without gun bans or any restrictions on law abiding gun owners whatsoever

Project Exile, U.S. Attorney's Office -- Eastern District of Virginia

It went down for the whole country during that period. It declined after the Brady Bill. You know, gun control.

not by 41% in one year it didin't

In The Shadow Of Exile

Rochester is the city in the best position to tell us whether Exile does what its proponents say it should: reduce gun violence. It has the longest-running program in the country, which continues today. Yet in Rochester, like everywhere else, no one knows whether Exile works. In the program’s 18 years, judges have handed out 633 sentences for a total of 3,411 years in federal prison. But the city had 24 gun murders last year — giving it a rate more than four times New York City’s. And community relations with police, as in many cities, are strained. The enthusiasm for Exile appears to be based more in rhetoric than in evidence, which leaves some people asking whether it’s worth the human costs.

Why are you comparing Rochester to NYC?

What were the murder rates where Exile was actually implemented

and what were they BEFORE Exile was implemented

 

[Blues Man]

You should do a little research before you run off at the mouth.

The FF were very worried about a tyrannical government.

The Founders’ Fear | What Would The Founders Think?

The Shalafi's Journal: A few quotes by the Founding Fathers on the threat of tyranny.

TOP 25 TYRANNY FOUNDING FATHERS QUOTES | A-Z Quotes

Our Founding Fathers wanted a republic, not a democracy

And there are many more to chose from.

Why the anti-tyranny case for the 2nd Amendment shouldn't be dismissed so quickly
When the proposed Constitution was before the people for ratification, many anti-Federalists worried that the new government would be too powerful, and could become tyrannical. In Federalist No. 46, James Madison reassured the public that the many checks and balances in the Constitution — the separation of powers between the executive, legislative, and judicial branches, for example — made it very unlikely that a tyrant could seize power. If a tyrant did, he would speedily be deposed by the state governments, who would lead the armed people in the militias.

Maybe you won't dodge the question

Tell me what gun ban of any type has ever reduced the gun murder rate by 41% in one year

And then explain how in Richmond VA gun murder was reduced by 41% in one year without gun bans or any restrictions on law abiding gun owners whatsoever

Project Exile, U.S. Attorney's Office -- Eastern District of Virginia

It went down for the whole country during that period. It declined after the Brady Bill. You know, gun control.

not by 41% in one year it didin't

In The Shadow Of Exile

Rochester is the city in the best position to tell us whether Exile does what its proponents say it should: reduce gun violence. It has the longest-running program in the country, which continues today. Yet in Rochester, like everywhere else, no one knows whether Exile works. In the program’s 18 years, judges have handed out 633 sentences for a total of 3,411 years in federal prison. But the city had 24 gun murders last year — giving it a rate more than four times New York City’s. And community relations with police, as in many cities, are strained. The enthusiasm for Exile appears to be based more in rhetoric than in evidence, which leaves some people asking whether it’s worth the human costs.

And what gun ban had better success?

 

[Blues Man]

Tell me what gun ban of any type has ever reduced the gun murder rate by 41% in one year

And then explain how in Richmond VA gun murder was reduced by 41% in one year without gun bans or any restrictions on law abiding gun owners whatsoever

Evaluated by:
No formal evaluation is being conducted.

How has it done in the years up to now, or was it just a stunt by officials coming up for election to get a bit of face time in the news, a flash in the pan? And what exactly did it do? Not release people on bail, was that it?

No evaluation necessary as the results were posted in the article

Or do you need someone to tell you what those results mean?

 

[Blues Man]

What gun ban has actually reduced the murder rate and if any gun ban ever did reduce the murder rate by how much ?

 

[Brain357]

Why the anti-tyranny case for the 2nd Amendment shouldn't be dismissed so quickly
When the proposed Constitution was before the people for ratification, many anti-Federalists worried that the new government would be too powerful, and could become tyrannical. In Federalist No. 46, James Madison reassured the public that the many checks and balances in the Constitution — the separation of powers between the executive, legislative, and judicial branches, for example — made it very unlikely that a tyrant could seize power. If a tyrant did, he would speedily be deposed by the state governments, who would lead the armed people in the militias.

Maybe you won't dodge the question

Tell me what gun ban of any type has ever reduced the gun murder rate by 41% in one year

And then explain how in Richmond VA gun murder was reduced by 41% in one year without gun bans or any restrictions on law abiding gun owners whatsoever

Project Exile, U.S. Attorney's Office -- Eastern District of Virginia

It went down for the whole country during that period. It declined after the Brady Bill. You know, gun control.

not by 41% in one year it didin't

In The Shadow Of Exile

Rochester is the city in the best position to tell us whether Exile does what its proponents say it should: reduce gun violence. It has the longest-running program in the country, which continues today. Yet in Rochester, like everywhere else, no one knows whether Exile works. In the program’s 18 years, judges have handed out 633 sentences for a total of 3,411 years in federal prison. But the city had 24 gun murders last year — giving it a rate more than four times New York City’s. And community relations with police, as in many cities, are strained. The enthusiasm for Exile appears to be based more in rhetoric than in evidence, which leaves some people asking whether it’s worth the human costs.

Why are you comparing Rochester to NYC?

What were the murder rates where Exile was actually implemented

and what were they BEFORE Exile was implemented

Sorry, but even Rochester doesn't know if it was a success. More from the link:
But soon after Exile went national, its record was called into question. Gun murder numbers rose every year but one through 2006. Two major research papers on the program’s effects in Richmond came to opposite conclusions, with one finding that it didn’t work at all and another that it may have sped the decline in gun murders. The city moved away from Exile after that.

It’s unclear when exactly the city’s Exile program ended; spokesmen for the mayor and for the police department referred inquiries to the federal prosecutor’s office for the Eastern District of Virginia, which includes Richmond. A spokesman for the office declined to comment.

">2 Critics say that for a program without clear success, Exile is too harsh. They say that tougher penalties alone do not generally deter people from committing crime and that federalizing cases removes prosecutorial accountability. And in many cities, defense attorneys say black defendants and families have borne a disproportionately large share of Exile’s burden.

 

[Brain357]

Why the anti-tyranny case for the 2nd Amendment shouldn't be dismissed so quickly
When the proposed Constitution was before the people for ratification, many anti-Federalists worried that the new government would be too powerful, and could become tyrannical. In Federalist No. 46, James Madison reassured the public that the many checks and balances in the Constitution — the separation of powers between the executive, legislative, and judicial branches, for example — made it very unlikely that a tyrant could seize power. If a tyrant did, he would speedily be deposed by the state governments, who would lead the armed people in the militias.

Maybe you won't dodge the question

Tell me what gun ban of any type has ever reduced the gun murder rate by 41% in one year

And then explain how in Richmond VA gun murder was reduced by 41% in one year without gun bans or any restrictions on law abiding gun owners whatsoever

Project Exile, U.S. Attorney's Office -- Eastern District of Virginia

It went down for the whole country during that period. It declined after the Brady Bill. You know, gun control.

not by 41% in one year it didin't

In The Shadow Of Exile

Rochester is the city in the best position to tell us whether Exile does what its proponents say it should: reduce gun violence. It has the longest-running program in the country, which continues today. Yet in Rochester, like everywhere else, no one knows whether Exile works. In the program’s 18 years, judges have handed out 633 sentences for a total of 3,411 years in federal prison. But the city had 24 gun murders last year — giving it a rate more than four times New York City’s. And community relations with police, as in many cities, are strained. The enthusiasm for Exile appears to be based more in rhetoric than in evidence, which leaves some people asking whether it’s worth the human costs.

And what gun ban had better success?

Brady Bill. Crime dropped like a rock.

 

[Brain357]

Why the anti-tyranny case for the 2nd Amendment shouldn't be dismissed so quickly
When the proposed Constitution was before the people for ratification, many anti-Federalists worried that the new government would be too powerful, and could become tyrannical. In Federalist No. 46, James Madison reassured the public that the many checks and balances in the Constitution — the separation of powers between the executive, legislative, and judicial branches, for example — made it very unlikely that a tyrant could seize power. If a tyrant did, he would speedily be deposed by the state governments, who would lead the armed people in the militias.

Maybe you won't dodge the question

Tell me what gun ban of any type has ever reduced the gun murder rate by 41% in one year

And then explain how in Richmond VA gun murder was reduced by 41% in one year without gun bans or any restrictions on law abiding gun owners whatsoever

Project Exile, U.S. Attorney's Office -- Eastern District of Virginia

It went down for the whole country during that period. It declined after the Brady Bill. You know, gun control.

not by 41% in one year it didin't

In The Shadow Of Exile

Rochester is the city in the best position to tell us whether Exile does what its proponents say it should: reduce gun violence. It has the longest-running program in the country, which continues today. Yet in Rochester, like everywhere else, no one knows whether Exile works. In the program’s 18 years, judges have handed out 633 sentences for a total of 3,411 years in federal prison. But the city had 24 gun murders last year — giving it a rate more than four times New York City’s. And community relations with police, as in many cities, are strained. The enthusiasm for Exile appears to be based more in rhetoric than in evidence, which leaves some people asking whether it’s worth the human costs.

And what gun ban had better success?

Nobody can even say for sure there was success. We tried it nationally and it was a failure. Rochester dropped it. You are bringing up a proven failure.

 

[Marion Morrison]

So do you believe all people should have military weapons, like the AR 15. You talk about the Constitution, so people in schools and churches can be fearful of their life is Constitutional , and do you believe in freedom of the press as well.

There needs to be some changes to the constitution, you are talking 2.5 centuries here.

Keep the bible out of it, we have Separation of Church and State AKA the Age of Enlightenment.

The AR-15 is not a military weapon you loon its functionally no different than a semi-automatic .227 hunting rifle. Its like arguing with a brick with you people. You will not educate yourself on firearms and continuously make the same stupid ass comments.

What the heck do you call it. Its not a hunting rifle. If it is you had best go practice target shooting. I get it , I use to love to fire the M16 on the firing range, esp at night. Yes the AK 15 with most use for mass shootings is an "assault rifle".

In addition, the speed in which the AR cycles its bolt as compared to the manual cycling of a bolt-action means more potential shots on target or multiple shots effortlessly carried out on multiple targets.

“A semi-auto changed my life,” Eric Mayer, who runs AR15hunter.com, told Time Magazine. “I’m able to make the (shot) because I don’t have to run the bolt (and) lose the target in

my scope.”Why hunters are trading in traditional hunting rifles for the AR-15

AK 15?

Just STFU with your ignorance, pls.

 

[Blues Man]

By stray bullets it doesn't matter what type of gun it comes from

So you aren't safe in your home. And it's easy to sneak guns into public places as we have seen. So your truck example is dismissed.

I'm perfectly safe in my own home because I don't live in a shitty area with a lot of crime but I do live in an area where legal gun ownership is very high

Well sorry, we aren't talking about just you princess. Like I said, many are shot in their home. That's a fact.

So what?

Many people are killed falling down the stairs in their own home too

Ban stairs

That's not murder.

getting shot isn't always murder either

 

[Blues Man]

Maybe you won't dodge the question

Tell me what gun ban of any type has ever reduced the gun murder rate by 41% in one year

And then explain how in Richmond VA gun murder was reduced by 41% in one year without gun bans or any restrictions on law abiding gun owners whatsoever

Project Exile, U.S. Attorney's Office -- Eastern District of Virginia

It went down for the whole country during that period. It declined after the Brady Bill. You know, gun control.

not by 41% in one year it didin't

In The Shadow Of Exile

Rochester is the city in the best position to tell us whether Exile does what its proponents say it should: reduce gun violence. It has the longest-running program in the country, which continues today. Yet in Rochester, like everywhere else, no one knows whether Exile works. In the program’s 18 years, judges have handed out 633 sentences for a total of 3,411 years in federal prison. But the city had 24 gun murders last year — giving it a rate more than four times New York City’s. And community relations with police, as in many cities, are strained. The enthusiasm for Exile appears to be based more in rhetoric than in evidence, which leaves some people asking whether it’s worth the human costs.

And what gun ban had better success?

Brady Bill. Crime dropped like a rock.

Study Shows Brady Bill Had No Impact on Gun Homicides

 

[Blues Man]

Maybe you won't dodge the question

Tell me what gun ban of any type has ever reduced the gun murder rate by 41% in one year

And then explain how in Richmond VA gun murder was reduced by 41% in one year without gun bans or any restrictions on law abiding gun owners whatsoever

Project Exile, U.S. Attorney's Office -- Eastern District of Virginia

It went down for the whole country during that period. It declined after the Brady Bill. You know, gun control.

not by 41% in one year it didin't

In The Shadow Of Exile

Rochester is the city in the best position to tell us whether Exile does what its proponents say it should: reduce gun violence. It has the longest-running program in the country, which continues today. Yet in Rochester, like everywhere else, no one knows whether Exile works. In the program’s 18 years, judges have handed out 633 sentences for a total of 3,411 years in federal prison. But the city had 24 gun murders last year — giving it a rate more than four times New York City’s. And community relations with police, as in many cities, are strained. The enthusiasm for Exile appears to be based more in rhetoric than in evidence, which leaves some people asking whether it’s worth the human costs.

And what gun ban had better success?

Nobody can even say for sure there was success. We tried it nationally and it was a failure. Rochester dropped it. You are bringing up a proven failure.

No gun ban has ever resulted in the same number of arrests or the reduction of gun murder by 41% in one year

 

[Blues Man]

Maybe you won't dodge the question

Tell me what gun ban of any type has ever reduced the gun murder rate by 41% in one year

And then explain how in Richmond VA gun murder was reduced by 41% in one year without gun bans or any restrictions on law abiding gun owners whatsoever

Project Exile, U.S. Attorney's Office -- Eastern District of Virginia

It went down for the whole country during that period. It declined after the Brady Bill. You know, gun control.

not by 41% in one year it didin't

In The Shadow Of Exile

Rochester is the city in the best position to tell us whether Exile does what its proponents say it should: reduce gun violence. It has the longest-running program in the country, which continues today. Yet in Rochester, like everywhere else, no one knows whether Exile works. In the program’s 18 years, judges have handed out 633 sentences for a total of 3,411 years in federal prison. But the city had 24 gun murders last year — giving it a rate more than four times New York City’s. And community relations with police, as in many cities, are strained. The enthusiasm for Exile appears to be based more in rhetoric than in evidence, which leaves some people asking whether it’s worth the human costs.

And what gun ban had better success?

Nobody can even say for sure there was success. We tried it nationally and it was a failure. Rochester dropped it. You are bringing up a proven failure.

One problem is that Project Exile itself effectively has not been in use for nearly 20 years

Project Exile: Hype or Worth Bringing Back? - The Loudoun Tribune

HAve to wonder what would have happened if they actually kept at it

 

[Pilot1]

Yes, people should have military weapons that the common foot soldier can carry. That was the intent of the 2A.

That being said, the AR-15 is NOT A MILTIARY WEAPON. No militaries in the world use the AR-15. It is a common semi auto firearm like thousands of others.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Who gives a fuck about your semantic games? Semi automatics that can take large magazines are running out of time here. I approve.

Similarly, you must therefore approve of the murders of innocent women and children in Venezuela by Dictator Maduro's troops because that Socialist / Fascist regime systematically disarmed the Venezuelan people prior to grabbing power.

Once disarmed, it was super easy for the now Fascist government to use armed force against the Venezuelan people in enforcing it's oppressive command over them.
Millions have gone on to suffer and many have died, because they were not able to fight back against fascism and tyranny.

So, at the end of the day, the truth is that you don't "give a fuck" about the lives of others. You couldn't care less that to make you feel a false sense of security, you'll willfully risk everything....including the lives of millions. The Founding Fathers knew that tyranny is a natural occurrence of evil people....and immeasurably stupid people.

You said a mouthful when you say "I approve".....Clearly, you approve of tyranny and Fascism. That, or you're simply too much of an indoctrinated imbecile to understand how things work.