Leftists Now Clamoring To Get Guns And Finding Out It's Not That Easy

[satrebil]

A convicted felon buying a firearm - in ANY manner - is already a crime. Derp.

Your problem is that you confuse your right to own a firearm, with my belief that the SOB that sold one to a convicted felon without a background check should be criminalized. I know that is a stretch for you to conceive, but if you sleep on it overnight, you might grasp it.

"with my belief that the SOB that sold one to a convicted felon without a background check should be criminalized"

They already are you stupid ass.

18 U.S. Code § 922 - Unlawful acts

How many more things are you going to suggest that we already have laws for, genius?

Sorry, Gomer, private sales of firearm's do not fall into any of those definitions of illegal transactions. Turn off your AM radio.

Yes they most certainly do you asshat:

(d)It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person—
indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
fugitive from justice;
Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802));
alien—
United States; or
United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(26)));
[2] has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;
United States, has renounced his citizenship;
intimate partner of such person or child of such intimate partner or person, or engaging in other conduct that would place an intimate partner in reasonable fear of bodily injury to the partner or child, except that this paragraph shall only apply to a court order that—
intimate partner or child; or
intimate partner or child that would reasonably be expected to cause bodily injury; or
misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.
This subsection shall not apply with respect to the sale or disposition of a firearm or ammunition to a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector who pursuant to subsection (b) of section 925 of this chapter is not precluded from dealing in firearms or ammunition, or to a person who has been granted relief from disabilities pursuant to subsection (c) of section 925 of this chapter.

But thanks for proving once again that a typical leftist has no fucking clue what he's talking about and can't even be bothered to read the relevant law when it's directly presented to him.

Christ you people are pathetic.

reading is not your forte', is it. Where does it say that the seller has to ASK if the buyer can legally buy a gun.

Bigly failure.

You've been proven wrong and are now trying to play semantics.

Fuck outta here with your bullshit.

 

[Vandalshandle]

We have "common sense firearms regulations". Oodles of them.

The problem that morons like you have is you are utterly incapable of understanding the fact that CRIMINALS DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK.

And you idjits can't accept we change what we can change. You seem to believe that some magical Gun Fairy is going to cure everything. Let's start your narrative with "'Once Upon a Time" or "And there I was"

Take your hopey-changey feelgood bullshit and shove it up your ass. There have always been criminals, there will always be criminals. The real "idjits" are the dumb shits like you who think you stop criminality by restricting and/or disarming the honorable. Nowhere has this ever been the case in all of recorded history but you cling to this completely asinine notion like flies to shit.

Think about what you typed in the second sentence. That is the only part of your response that makes any sense. There have always been Criminals and always will be Criminals. And More Guns don't make fewer criminals or deter crimes at all. In fact, all studies state that more or less guns have absolutely no change in that. But what it does change is making the average American safer even if from him or herself. Common Sense Gun Regs are designed to do just that. They are not designed for the hardened criminal, they are designed for the average person and the person who "May" decide to do a felonious act out of anger, mental disability or pressure. You want to control the Criminal, good F###ing luck with that.

Sure, by the NRA argument, more guns make for a safer America. What is confusing is that there are more guns per person in America than any other country, and it is the one country that one is most likely to be killed by a firearm.

If an honest citizen owns more guns only criminals are less safe

if you want gun crimes to go down put gang bangers in jail and throw away the key

Every murderer who ever lived was once a law abiding citizen.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Your problem is that you confuse your right to own a firearm, with my belief that the SOB that sold one to a convicted felon without a background check should be criminalized. I know that is a stretch for you to conceive, but if you sleep on it overnight, you might grasp it.

"with my belief that the SOB that sold one to a convicted felon without a background check should be criminalized"

They already are you stupid ass.

18 U.S. Code § 922 - Unlawful acts

How many more things are you going to suggest that we already have laws for, genius?

Sorry, Gomer, private sales of firearm's do not fall into any of those definitions of illegal transactions. Turn off your AM radio.

Yes they most certainly do you asshat:

(d)It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person—
indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
fugitive from justice;
Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802));
alien—
United States; or
United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(26)));
[2] has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;
United States, has renounced his citizenship;
intimate partner of such person or child of such intimate partner or person, or engaging in other conduct that would place an intimate partner in reasonable fear of bodily injury to the partner or child, except that this paragraph shall only apply to a court order that—
intimate partner or child; or
intimate partner or child that would reasonably be expected to cause bodily injury; or
misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.
This subsection shall not apply with respect to the sale or disposition of a firearm or ammunition to a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector who pursuant to subsection (b) of section 925 of this chapter is not precluded from dealing in firearms or ammunition, or to a person who has been granted relief from disabilities pursuant to subsection (c) of section 925 of this chapter.

But thanks for proving once again that a typical leftist has no fucking clue what he's talking about and can't even be bothered to read the relevant law when it's directly presented to him.

Christ you people are pathetic.

reading is not your forte', is it. Where does it say that the seller has to ASK if the buyer can legally buy a gun.

Bigly failure.

You've been proven wrong and are now trying to play semantics.

Fuck outta here with your bullshit.

Requiring a background check on every gun sales robs ZERO law abiding citizens of their right to own a gun. Even you can understand that.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

One thing needs to be addressed. If you are not a gunnutter then you must be an anti-gun idiot. That means if you want any form of firearms regulation like Universal Background Checks or limiting the number of rounds held in a weapon, or a few other things you MUST be an anti-gun idiot who doesn't own guns and doesn't know how to use them. I know a number of Ex and Retired Military that can shoot your eyes out at 100 yds without a scope and we have our own personal firearms and voted for our Common Sense Firearms Regulations that do work.

The only way to get decent common sense firearms regulations is to put the gunnutters in one room and padlock it and do the same with the anti-gun idiots in another room and not let them out until the laws have been discussed and enacted. Actually, the rooms will be quite small but, damned, they sure will be loud. I suggest you sound proof them to prevent any distraction until the job is done. Then you can let them out.

So you can shoot my eyes out at 100 yards?

thats impressive

but if your motivation is making America safer by limiting the gun rights of honest responsible citizens then you wont stop stop till all the guns are taken away

because the good people will be the first to be disarmed and the street thugs will be the last if they are ever disarmed at all

Sorry, we don't need you to go back into the room. We already passed the common sense gun regs. But you are free to keep screaming your lungs out if you wish.

You keep signing on for more

whats next on your agenda?

Nah, we are done until someone can figure out another weapon of war to inflict on the civilian population. But you go ahead and nash your teeth and yell your little heart out.

Maybe you think you are done

but the lib thundering herd has bigger ideas and where they go you are bound to follow

We don't listen to the gungrabbers anymore than we listen to you gunnutters. The Majority of the Population find both of your groups more than a bit insane. If you want change, shut your mouth a hell of a lot more than you do. You keep looking for someone to place blame. It's not a rightee or a leftee, it's doing what is right. How about ceasing to sound like a loon.

 

[satrebil]

Do most anti gun nuts even know how to use a gun?

One thing needs to be addressed. If you are not a gunnutter then you must be an anti-gun idiot. That means if you want any form of firearms regulation like Universal Background Checks or limiting the number of rounds held in a weapon, or a few other things you MUST be an anti-gun idiot who doesn't own guns and doesn't know how to use them. I know a number of Ex and Retired Military that can shoot your eyes out at 100 yds without a scope and we have our own personal firearms and voted for our Common Sense Firearms Regulations that do work.

The only way to get decent common sense firearms regulations is to put the gunnutters in one room and padlock it and do the same with the anti-gun idiots in another room and not let them out until the laws have been discussed and enacted. Actually, the rooms will be quite small but, damned, they sure will be loud. I suggest you sound proof them to prevent any distraction until the job is done. Then you can let them out.

We have "common sense firearms regulations". Oodles of them.

The problem that morons like you have is you are utterly incapable of understanding the fact that CRIMINALS DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK.

And you idjits can't accept we change what we can change. You seem to believe that some magical Gun Fairy is going to cure everything. Let's start your narrative with "'Once Upon a Time" or "And there I was"

Take your hopey-changey feelgood bullshit and shove it up your ass. There have always been criminals, there will always be criminals. The real "idjits" are the dumb shits like you who think you stop criminality by restricting and/or disarming the honorable. Nowhere has this ever been the case in all of recorded history but you cling to this completely asinine notion like flies to shit.

Think about what you typed in the second sentence. That is the only part of your response that makes any sense. There have always been Criminals and always will be Criminals. And More Guns don't make fewer criminals or deter crimes at all. In fact, all studies state that more or less guns have absolutely no change in that. But what it does change is making the average American safer even if from him or herself. Common Sense Gun Regs are designed to do just that. They are not designed for the hardened criminal, they are designed for the average person and the person who "May" decide to do a felonious act out of anger, mental disability or pressure. You want to control the Criminal, good F###ing luck with that.

"And More Guns don't make fewer criminals or deter crimes at all. "

This has got to be one of the dumbest statements I've ever read. Every single time a firearm is used in justifiable self defense, a crime is deterred you retard.

"Common Sense Gun Regs are designed to do just that."

WE. ALREADY. HAVE. THEM. YOU. IGNORANT. FUCK.

 

[satrebil]

"with my belief that the SOB that sold one to a convicted felon without a background check should be criminalized"

They already are you stupid ass.

18 U.S. Code § 922 - Unlawful acts

How many more things are you going to suggest that we already have laws for, genius?

Sorry, Gomer, private sales of firearm's do not fall into any of those definitions of illegal transactions. Turn off your AM radio.

Yes they most certainly do you asshat:

(d)It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person—
indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
fugitive from justice;
Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802));
alien—
United States; or
United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(26)));
[2] has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;
United States, has renounced his citizenship;
intimate partner of such person or child of such intimate partner or person, or engaging in other conduct that would place an intimate partner in reasonable fear of bodily injury to the partner or child, except that this paragraph shall only apply to a court order that—
intimate partner or child; or
intimate partner or child that would reasonably be expected to cause bodily injury; or
misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.
This subsection shall not apply with respect to the sale or disposition of a firearm or ammunition to a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector who pursuant to subsection (b) of section 925 of this chapter is not precluded from dealing in firearms or ammunition, or to a person who has been granted relief from disabilities pursuant to subsection (c) of section 925 of this chapter.

But thanks for proving once again that a typical leftist has no fucking clue what he's talking about and can't even be bothered to read the relevant law when it's directly presented to him.

Christ you people are pathetic.

reading is not your forte', is it. Where does it say that the seller has to ASK if the buyer can legally buy a gun.

Bigly failure.

You've been proven wrong and are now trying to play semantics.

Fuck outta here with your bullshit.

Requiring a background check on every gun sales robs ZERO law abiding citizens of their right to own a gun. Even you can understand that.

Wonderful, cupcake. Now point to the post where I said it did. Typical leftist who wants to keep moving the goalposts and distract from his stupidity.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Sorry, Gomer, private sales of firearm's do not fall into any of those definitions of illegal transactions. Turn off your AM radio.

Yes they most certainly do you asshat:

(d)It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person—
indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
fugitive from justice;
Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802));
alien—
United States; or
United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(26)));
[2] has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;
United States, has renounced his citizenship;
intimate partner of such person or child of such intimate partner or person, or engaging in other conduct that would place an intimate partner in reasonable fear of bodily injury to the partner or child, except that this paragraph shall only apply to a court order that—
intimate partner or child; or
intimate partner or child that would reasonably be expected to cause bodily injury; or
misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.
This subsection shall not apply with respect to the sale or disposition of a firearm or ammunition to a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector who pursuant to subsection (b) of section 925 of this chapter is not precluded from dealing in firearms or ammunition, or to a person who has been granted relief from disabilities pursuant to subsection (c) of section 925 of this chapter.

But thanks for proving once again that a typical leftist has no fucking clue what he's talking about and can't even be bothered to read the relevant law when it's directly presented to him.

Christ you people are pathetic.

reading is not your forte', is it. Where does it say that the seller has to ASK if the buyer can legally buy a gun.

Bigly failure.

You've been proven wrong and are now trying to play semantics.

Fuck outta here with your bullshit.

Requiring a background check on every gun sales robs ZERO law abiding citizens of their right to own a gun. Even you can understand that.

Wonderful, cupcake. Now point to the post where I said it did. Typical leftist who wants to keep moving the goalposts and distract from his stupidity.

So, I have to lead you to your next logic failure, which is to say that universal background checks do not infringe on anybody's second amendment rights, except those people who already have forfeited those rights.

 

[satrebil]

Yes they most certainly do you asshat:

(d)It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person—
indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
fugitive from justice;
Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802));
alien—
United States; or
United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(26)));
[2] has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;
United States, has renounced his citizenship;
intimate partner of such person or child of such intimate partner or person, or engaging in other conduct that would place an intimate partner in reasonable fear of bodily injury to the partner or child, except that this paragraph shall only apply to a court order that—
intimate partner or child; or
intimate partner or child that would reasonably be expected to cause bodily injury; or
misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.
This subsection shall not apply with respect to the sale or disposition of a firearm or ammunition to a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector who pursuant to subsection (b) of section 925 of this chapter is not precluded from dealing in firearms or ammunition, or to a person who has been granted relief from disabilities pursuant to subsection (c) of section 925 of this chapter.

But thanks for proving once again that a typical leftist has no fucking clue what he's talking about and can't even be bothered to read the relevant law when it's directly presented to him.

Christ you people are pathetic.

reading is not your forte', is it. Where does it say that the seller has to ASK if the buyer can legally buy a gun.

Bigly failure.

You've been proven wrong and are now trying to play semantics.

Fuck outta here with your bullshit.

Requiring a background check on every gun sales robs ZERO law abiding citizens of their right to own a gun. Even you can understand that.

Wonderful, cupcake. Now point to the post where I said it did. Typical leftist who wants to keep moving the goalposts and distract from his stupidity.

So, I have to lead you to your next logic failure, which is to say that universal background checks do not infringe on anybody's second amendment rights, except those people who already have forfeited those rights.

Do you have reading comprehension issues? WHERE DID I SAY THEY DID, MORON?

You're such a dumb shit you don't even know what you're arguing about.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

One thing needs to be addressed. If you are not a gunnutter then you must be an anti-gun idiot. That means if you want any form of firearms regulation like Universal Background Checks or limiting the number of rounds held in a weapon, or a few other things you MUST be an anti-gun idiot who doesn't own guns and doesn't know how to use them. I know a number of Ex and Retired Military that can shoot your eyes out at 100 yds without a scope and we have our own personal firearms and voted for our Common Sense Firearms Regulations that do work.

The only way to get decent common sense firearms regulations is to put the gunnutters in one room and padlock it and do the same with the anti-gun idiots in another room and not let them out until the laws have been discussed and enacted. Actually, the rooms will be quite small but, damned, they sure will be loud. I suggest you sound proof them to prevent any distraction until the job is done. Then you can let them out.

We have "common sense firearms regulations". Oodles of them.

The problem that morons like you have is you are utterly incapable of understanding the fact that CRIMINALS DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK.

And you idjits can't accept we change what we can change. You seem to believe that some magical Gun Fairy is going to cure everything. Let's start your narrative with "'Once Upon a Time" or "And there I was"

Take your hopey-changey feelgood bullshit and shove it up your ass. There have always been criminals, there will always be criminals. The real "idjits" are the dumb shits like you who think you stop criminality by restricting and/or disarming the honorable. Nowhere has this ever been the case in all of recorded history but you cling to this completely asinine notion like flies to shit.

Think about what you typed in the second sentence. That is the only part of your response that makes any sense. There have always been Criminals and always will be Criminals. And More Guns don't make fewer criminals or deter crimes at all. In fact, all studies state that more or less guns have absolutely no change in that. But what it does change is making the average American safer even if from him or herself. Common Sense Gun Regs are designed to do just that. They are not designed for the hardened criminal, they are designed for the average person and the person who "May" decide to do a felonious act out of anger, mental disability or pressure. You want to control the Criminal, good F###ing luck with that.

"And More Guns don't make fewer criminals or deter crimes at all. "

This has got to be one of the dumbest statements I've ever read. Every single time a firearm is used in justifiable self defense, a crime is deterred you retard.

"Common Sense Gun Regs are designed to do just that."

WE. ALREADY. HAVE. THEM. YOU. IGNORANT. FUCK.

Yah, all those guns that people had in that Texas Walmart really helped didn't it. It took the cops to end the slaughter. And don't tell me that there were no personal sidearms there. It's Texas.

 

[satrebil]

We have "common sense firearms regulations". Oodles of them.

The problem that morons like you have is you are utterly incapable of understanding the fact that CRIMINALS DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK.

And you idjits can't accept we change what we can change. You seem to believe that some magical Gun Fairy is going to cure everything. Let's start your narrative with "'Once Upon a Time" or "And there I was"

Take your hopey-changey feelgood bullshit and shove it up your ass. There have always been criminals, there will always be criminals. The real "idjits" are the dumb shits like you who think you stop criminality by restricting and/or disarming the honorable. Nowhere has this ever been the case in all of recorded history but you cling to this completely asinine notion like flies to shit.

Think about what you typed in the second sentence. That is the only part of your response that makes any sense. There have always been Criminals and always will be Criminals. And More Guns don't make fewer criminals or deter crimes at all. In fact, all studies state that more or less guns have absolutely no change in that. But what it does change is making the average American safer even if from him or herself. Common Sense Gun Regs are designed to do just that. They are not designed for the hardened criminal, they are designed for the average person and the person who "May" decide to do a felonious act out of anger, mental disability or pressure. You want to control the Criminal, good F###ing luck with that.

"And More Guns don't make fewer criminals or deter crimes at all. "

This has got to be one of the dumbest statements I've ever read. Every single time a firearm is used in justifiable self defense, a crime is deterred you retard.

"Common Sense Gun Regs are designed to do just that."

WE. ALREADY. HAVE. THEM. YOU. IGNORANT. FUCK.

Yah, all those guns that people had in that Texas Walmart really helped didn't it. It took the cops to end the slaughter. And don't tell me that there were no personal sidearms there. It's Texas.

Good guys with guns cannot possibly be everywhere at all times, dingus. But go on, make some more inane arguments. Maybe next you can blame firemen for not being immediately on the scene of every fire.

"It took the cops to end the slaughter."

So, other guys with guns? IMAGINE MY SHOCK!!

Way to stick your foot in your mouth, genius.

 

[2aguy]

One thing needs to be addressed. If you are not a gunnutter then you must be an anti-gun idiot. That means if you want any form of firearms regulation like Universal Background Checks or limiting the number of rounds held in a weapon, or a few other things you MUST be an anti-gun idiot who doesn't own guns and doesn't know how to use them. I know a number of Ex and Retired Military that can shoot your eyes out at 100 yds without a scope and we have our own personal firearms and voted for our Common Sense Firearms Regulations that do work.

The only way to get decent common sense firearms regulations is to put the gunnutters in one room and padlock it and do the same with the anti-gun idiots in another room and not let them out until the laws have been discussed and enacted. Actually, the rooms will be quite small but, damned, they sure will be loud. I suggest you sound proof them to prevent any distraction until the job is done. Then you can let them out.

We have "common sense firearms regulations". Oodles of them.

The problem that morons like you have is you are utterly incapable of understanding the fact that CRIMINALS DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK.

UBCs are perfectly appropriate, warranted, and Constitutional – in no manner violating the Second Amendment, placing no undue burden on the right to possess firearms.

UBCs will help keep guns out of the hands of prohibited persons; no one firearm regulatory measure is a ‘panacea’ for all gun crime and violence – including UBCs, and no one is presenting them as such.

But UBCs will serve to reduce gun crime and violence.

Rush told them that there is already a federal law prohibiting private sale of firearms, therefore, the debate is settled.

There is a law against operating as a gun dealer without a license

Thats why 3 individuals at a gun show in Ft Worth were arrested last week

But a private sale between two people should not be criminalized

So, If I sell my Mosan Nagant high powered rifle to the guy down the street who uses it to kill his whole family, and bought it from me, because I don't require a background check that would have revealed that he was under a legal restraining order for threatening his wife's life, I should not be held partially responsible....

No, you shouldn't. Just like if he borrowed your car and then plowed into a crowd killing people.... or borrowed your chain saw and murdered his wife......you doofus.

You just hate people who want to own guns...

 

[2aguy]

We have "common sense firearms regulations". Oodles of them.

The problem that morons like you have is you are utterly incapable of understanding the fact that CRIMINALS DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK.

And you idjits can't accept we change what we can change. You seem to believe that some magical Gun Fairy is going to cure everything. Let's start your narrative with "'Once Upon a Time" or "And there I was"

Take your hopey-changey feelgood bullshit and shove it up your ass. There have always been criminals, there will always be criminals. The real "idjits" are the dumb shits like you who think you stop criminality by restricting and/or disarming the honorable. Nowhere has this ever been the case in all of recorded history but you cling to this completely asinine notion like flies to shit.

Think about what you typed in the second sentence. That is the only part of your response that makes any sense. There have always been Criminals and always will be Criminals. And More Guns don't make fewer criminals or deter crimes at all. In fact, all studies state that more or less guns have absolutely no change in that. But what it does change is making the average American safer even if from him or herself. Common Sense Gun Regs are designed to do just that. They are not designed for the hardened criminal, they are designed for the average person and the person who "May" decide to do a felonious act out of anger, mental disability or pressure. You want to control the Criminal, good F###ing luck with that.

"And More Guns don't make fewer criminals or deter crimes at all. "

This has got to be one of the dumbest statements I've ever read. Every single time a firearm is used in justifiable self defense, a crime is deterred you retard.

"Common Sense Gun Regs are designed to do just that."

WE. ALREADY. HAVE. THEM. YOU. IGNORANT. FUCK.

Yah, all those guns that people had in that Texas Walmart really helped didn't it. It took the cops to end the slaughter. And don't tell me that there were no personal sidearms there. It's Texas.

You mean like the NRA instructor with his AR-15 rifle who stopped the Church shooter from murdering 25 people? And chased the guy with the other guy, long before the police showed up?

Or the Guy in church who killed the church shooter in 5 seconds? Like that?

Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives from rape, robbery and murder..........according to the vaunted CDC....

 

[2aguy]

And you idjits can't accept we change what we can change. You seem to believe that some magical Gun Fairy is going to cure everything. Let's start your narrative with "'Once Upon a Time" or "And there I was"

Take your hopey-changey feelgood bullshit and shove it up your ass. There have always been criminals, there will always be criminals. The real "idjits" are the dumb shits like you who think you stop criminality by restricting and/or disarming the honorable. Nowhere has this ever been the case in all of recorded history but you cling to this completely asinine notion like flies to shit.

Think about what you typed in the second sentence. That is the only part of your response that makes any sense. There have always been Criminals and always will be Criminals. And More Guns don't make fewer criminals or deter crimes at all. In fact, all studies state that more or less guns have absolutely no change in that. But what it does change is making the average American safer even if from him or herself. Common Sense Gun Regs are designed to do just that. They are not designed for the hardened criminal, they are designed for the average person and the person who "May" decide to do a felonious act out of anger, mental disability or pressure. You want to control the Criminal, good F###ing luck with that.

Sure, by the NRA argument, more guns make for a safer America. What is confusing is that there are more guns per person in America than any other country, and it is the one country that one is most likely to be killed by a firearm.

If an honest citizen owns more guns only criminals are less safe

if you want gun crimes to go down put gang bangers in jail and throw away the key

Every murderer who ever lived was once a law abiding citizen.

Wrong, you have been shown you are wrong...

The Criminology of Firearms


In 2004, the National Academy of Sciences reviewed 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications and some empirical research of its own about guns. The Academy could not identify any gun restriction that had reduced violent crime, suicide or gun accidents.

Why don't gun bans work? Because they rely on voluntary compliance by gun-using criminals. Prohibitionists never see this absurdity because they deceive themselves into thinking that, as Katherine Christoffel has said: "[M]ost shootings are not committed by felons or mentally ill people, but are acts of passion that are committed using a handgun that is owned for home protection."

Christoffel, et al., are utterly wrong. The whole corpus of criminological research dating back to the 1890'sshows murderers "almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behavior," and that "[v]irtually all" murderers and other gun criminals have prior felony records — generally long ones.

While only 15 percent of Americans have criminal records, roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have prior adult records — exclusive of their often extensive juvenile records — with crime careers of six or more adult years including four major felonies. Gerald D. Robin, writing for the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences,notes that, unlike ordinary gun owners, "the average murderer turns out to be no less hardened a criminal than the average robber or burglar."

 

[2aguy]

"with my belief that the SOB that sold one to a convicted felon without a background check should be criminalized"

They already are you stupid ass.

18 U.S. Code § 922 - Unlawful acts

How many more things are you going to suggest that we already have laws for, genius?

Sorry, Gomer, private sales of firearm's do not fall into any of those definitions of illegal transactions. Turn off your AM radio.

Yes they most certainly do you asshat:

(d)It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person—
indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
fugitive from justice;
Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802));
alien—
United States; or
United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(26)));
[2] has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;
United States, has renounced his citizenship;
intimate partner of such person or child of such intimate partner or person, or engaging in other conduct that would place an intimate partner in reasonable fear of bodily injury to the partner or child, except that this paragraph shall only apply to a court order that—
intimate partner or child; or
intimate partner or child that would reasonably be expected to cause bodily injury; or
misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.
This subsection shall not apply with respect to the sale or disposition of a firearm or ammunition to a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector who pursuant to subsection (b) of section 925 of this chapter is not precluded from dealing in firearms or ammunition, or to a person who has been granted relief from disabilities pursuant to subsection (c) of section 925 of this chapter.

But thanks for proving once again that a typical leftist has no fucking clue what he's talking about and can't even be bothered to read the relevant law when it's directly presented to him.

Christ you people are pathetic.

reading is not your forte', is it. Where does it say that the seller has to ASK if the buyer can legally buy a gun.

Bigly failure.

You've been proven wrong and are now trying to play semantics.

Fuck outta here with your bullshit.

Requiring a background check on every gun sales robs ZERO law abiding citizens of their right to own a gun. Even you can understand that.

Yes...it does...since it costs money to do those background checks....including a new fee on the Right to own guns......and since the only reason you want Universal Background Checks is to next demand gun registration......

Also......doofus....

Textual analysis of HR8, bill to "To require a background check for every firearm sale"

Summary

HR8 requires that loans, gifts, and sales of firearms be processed by a gun store. The same fees, paperwork, and permanent record-keeping apply as to buying a new gun from the store.

If you loan a gun to a friend without going to the gun store, the penalty is the same as for knowingly selling a gun to a convicted violent felon.

Likewise, when the friend returns the gun, another trip to the gun store is necessary, upon pain of felony.

A clever trick in HR8 effectively bans handguns for persons 18-to20.

The bill has some narrow exemptions. The minuscule exemption for self-defense does not cover stalking victims. None of the exemptions cover farming and ranching, sharing guns on almost all public and private lands, or storing guns with friends while on vacation. The limited exemption for family excludes first cousins and in-laws.


The bill authorizes unlimited fees to be imposed by
regulation.
-----

The narrowness of the self-defense exemption endangers domestic violence victims. For example, a former domestic partner threatens a woman and her children. An attack might come in the next hour, or the next month, or never. The victim and her children cannot know. Because the attack is uncertain—and is certainly not "immediate"—the woman cannot borrow a handgun from a neighbor for her defense. Many domestic violence victims do not have several hundred spare dollars so that they can buy their own gun. Sometimes, threats are manifested at night, when gun stores are not open.
-------

HR8 requires almost all firearms sales and loans to be conducted by a federally-licensed dealer. Because federal law prohibits licensed dealers from transferring handguns to persons under 21 years, HR8 prevents young adults from acquiring handguns. This is a clever way to enact a handgun ban indirectly.

HR8 would prohibit a 20-year-old woman who lives on her own from acquiring a handgun for self-defense in her home, such as by buying it from a relative or borrowing it from a friend.
-----

Exorbitant fees may be imposed by regulation

"(3)(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, the Attorney General may implement this sub-section with regulations."

"(D) Regulations promulgated under this paragraph may not include any provision placing a cap on the fee licensees may charge to facilitate transfers in accordance with paragraph (1)."

Regulators may set a minimum fee, but not "a cap on a fee." The Attorney General is allowed to require that every gun store charge a fee of $30, $50, $150, or more. Even a $20 fee can be a hard burden to a poor person.

------
Family members

You can make a "a loan or bona fide gift" to some family members. In-laws and cousins are excluded.

The family exemption vanishes if one family member pays the other in any way. If a brother trades an extra shotgun to his sister in exchange for her extra television, both of them have to go to a gun store. Their exchange will have all the fees and paperwork as if she were buying a gun from the store.

Safe storage discouraged

Consider a person who will be away from home for an extended period: a member of the armed services being deployed overseas, a person going away to school, a person going on a long vacation, or a person evacuating her home due to a natural disaster. Such persons might wish to store firearms with a trusted neighbor or friend. This type of storage should be encouraged. Guns are less likely to be stolen by burglars, and then sold into the black market, if they are kept in an occupied home rather than left in a house that will be unoccupied.

But under HR8, neighbor A can only store neighbor B's guns if both persons go to a gun store, fill out extensive paperwork for each and every gun to be stored, pay per-gun fees to the government and the gun store, and then repeat the process when the firearms are returned. As a result, many fewer people will go through all the trouble.


So more guns will be left in unoccupied dwellings; they will be at greater risk of being stolen and thus of being supplied to the criminal black market. Discouraging safe storage is among the ways HR8 harms public safety.

 

[2aguy]

Yes they most certainly do you asshat:

(d)It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person—
indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
fugitive from justice;
Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802));
alien—
United States; or
United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(26)));
[2] has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;
United States, has renounced his citizenship;
intimate partner of such person or child of such intimate partner or person, or engaging in other conduct that would place an intimate partner in reasonable fear of bodily injury to the partner or child, except that this paragraph shall only apply to a court order that—
intimate partner or child; or
intimate partner or child that would reasonably be expected to cause bodily injury; or
misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.
This subsection shall not apply with respect to the sale or disposition of a firearm or ammunition to a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector who pursuant to subsection (b) of section 925 of this chapter is not precluded from dealing in firearms or ammunition, or to a person who has been granted relief from disabilities pursuant to subsection (c) of section 925 of this chapter.

But thanks for proving once again that a typical leftist has no fucking clue what he's talking about and can't even be bothered to read the relevant law when it's directly presented to him.

Christ you people are pathetic.

reading is not your forte', is it. Where does it say that the seller has to ASK if the buyer can legally buy a gun.

Bigly failure.

You've been proven wrong and are now trying to play semantics.

Fuck outta here with your bullshit.

Requiring a background check on every gun sales robs ZERO law abiding citizens of their right to own a gun. Even you can understand that.

Wonderful, cupcake. Now point to the post where I said it did. Typical leftist who wants to keep moving the goalposts and distract from his stupidity.

So, I have to lead you to your next logic failure, which is to say that universal background checks do not infringe on anybody's second amendment rights, except those people who already have forfeited those rights.

You haven't done any thing like that.............

1) a Universal Background Check adds a new fee to the Right to own a gun.....so, like a Poll Tax, it is unConstitutional.....

2)
Textual analysis of HR8, bill to "To require a background check for every firearm sale"

Summary

HR8 requires that loans, gifts, and sales of firearms be processed by a gun store. The same fees, paperwork, and permanent record-keeping apply as to buying a new gun from the store.

If you loan a gun to a friend without going to the gun store, the penalty is the same as for knowingly selling a gun to a convicted violent felon.

Likewise, when the friend returns the gun, another trip to the gun store is necessary, upon pain of felony.

A clever trick in HR8 effectively bans handguns for persons 18-to20.

The bill has some narrow exemptions. The minuscule exemption for self-defense does not cover stalking victims. None of the exemptions cover farming and ranching, sharing guns on almost all public and private lands, or storing guns with friends while on vacation. The limited exemption for family excludes first cousins and in-laws.


The bill authorizes unlimited fees to be imposed by
regulation.
-----

The narrowness of the self-defense exemption endangers domestic violence victims. For example, a former domestic partner threatens a woman and her children. An attack might come in the next hour, or the next month, or never. The victim and her children cannot know. Because the attack is uncertain—and is certainly not "immediate"—the woman cannot borrow a handgun from a neighbor for her defense. Many domestic violence victims do not have several hundred spare dollars so that they can buy their own gun. Sometimes, threats are manifested at night, when gun stores are not open.
-------

HR8 requires almost all firearms sales and loans to be conducted by a federally-licensed dealer. Because federal law prohibits licensed dealers from transferring handguns to persons under 21 years, HR8 prevents young adults from acquiring handguns. This is a clever way to enact a handgun ban indirectly.

HR8 would prohibit a 20-year-old woman who lives on her own from acquiring a handgun for self-defense in her home, such as by buying it from a relative or borrowing it from a friend.
-----

Exorbitant fees may be imposed by regulation

"(3)(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, the Attorney General may implement this sub-section with regulations."

"(D) Regulations promulgated under this paragraph may not include any provision placing a cap on the fee licensees may charge to facilitate transfers in accordance with paragraph (1)."

Regulators may set a minimum fee, but not "a cap on a fee." The Attorney General is allowed to require that every gun store charge a fee of $30, $50, $150, or more. Even a $20 fee can be a hard burden to a poor person.

------
Family members

You can make a "a loan or bona fide gift" to some family members. In-laws and cousins are excluded.

The family exemption vanishes if one family member pays the other in any way. If a brother trades an extra shotgun to his sister in exchange for her extra television, both of them have to go to a gun store. Their exchange will have all the fees and paperwork as if she were buying a gun from the store.

Safe storage discouraged

Consider a person who will be away from home for an extended period: a member of the armed services being deployed overseas, a person going away to school, a person going on a long vacation, or a person evacuating her home due to a natural disaster. Such persons might wish to store firearms with a trusted neighbor or friend. This type of storage should be encouraged. Guns are less likely to be stolen by burglars, and then sold into the black market, if they are kept in an occupied home rather than left in a house that will be unoccupied.

But under HR8, neighbor A can only store neighbor B's guns if both persons go to a gun store, fill out extensive paperwork for each and every gun to be stored, pay per-gun fees to the government and the gun store, and then repeat the process when the firearms are returned. As a result, many fewer people will go through all the trouble.


So more guns will be left in unoccupied dwellings; they will be at greater risk of being stolen and thus of being supplied to the criminal black market. Discouraging safe storage is among the ways HR8 harms public safety.

 

[KGB]

OMG! A person has to have the gun shipped to his local licensed dealer, then he has to go over there, and endure a 3 minute background check! Oh, the HORROR!

In some states, if one has a concealed weapon permit or license, he isn’t subject to a NICS background check at all.

Holders of a Florida concealed weapon license aren’t subject to a waiting period.

But the dishonest right won’t acknowledge these facts – they just continue to propagate their lies.

you do understand that if you get a CCP or a buyers permit, you already are undergoing a background check....

Not in my state. I can buy a firearm at a gun show, and conceal carry with no background check OR permit.

not according to federal law...
Hillary's 'Gun Show Loophole' Proposal Is A Joke

Flat out, false.

nope

 

[Mac-7]

One thing needs to be addressed. If you are not a gunnutter then you must be an anti-gun idiot. That means if you want any form of firearms regulation like Universal Background Checks or limiting the number of rounds held in a weapon, or a few other things you MUST be an anti-gun idiot who doesn't own guns and doesn't know how to use them. I know a number of Ex and Retired Military that can shoot your eyes out at 100 yds without a scope and we have our own personal firearms and voted for our Common Sense Firearms Regulations that do work.

The only way to get decent common sense firearms regulations is to put the gunnutters in one room and padlock it and do the same with the anti-gun idiots in another room and not let them out until the laws have been discussed and enacted. Actually, the rooms will be quite small but, damned, they sure will be loud. I suggest you sound proof them to prevent any distraction until the job is done. Then you can let them out.

We have "common sense firearms regulations". Oodles of them.

The problem that morons like you have is you are utterly incapable of understanding the fact that CRIMINALS DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK.

UBCs are perfectly appropriate, warranted, and Constitutional – in no manner violating the Second Amendment, placing no undue burden on the right to possess firearms.

UBCs will help keep guns out of the hands of prohibited persons; no one firearm regulatory measure is a ‘panacea’ for all gun crime and violence – including UBCs, and no one is presenting them as such.

But UBCs will serve to reduce gun crime and violence.

Rush told them that there is already a federal law prohibiting private sale of firearms, therefore, the debate is settled.

There is a law against operating as a gun dealer without a license

Thats why 3 individuals at a gun show in Ft Worth were arrested last week

But a private sale between two people should not be criminalized

So, If I sell my Mosan Nagant high powered rifle to the guy down the street who uses it to kill his whole family, and bought it from me, because I don't require a background check that would have revealed that he was under a legal restraining order for threatening his wife's life, I should not be held partially responsible....

I dont know about you but I dont associate with murderers, drug dealers rapists or thieves

 

[Mac-7]

And you idjits can't accept we change what we can change. You seem to believe that some magical Gun Fairy is going to cure everything. Let's start your narrative with "'Once Upon a Time" or "And there I was"

Take your hopey-changey feelgood bullshit and shove it up your ass. There have always been criminals, there will always be criminals. The real "idjits" are the dumb shits like you who think you stop criminality by restricting and/or disarming the honorable. Nowhere has this ever been the case in all of recorded history but you cling to this completely asinine notion like flies to shit.

Think about what you typed in the second sentence. That is the only part of your response that makes any sense. There have always been Criminals and always will be Criminals. And More Guns don't make fewer criminals or deter crimes at all. In fact, all studies state that more or less guns have absolutely no change in that. But what it does change is making the average American safer even if from him or herself. Common Sense Gun Regs are designed to do just that. They are not designed for the hardened criminal, they are designed for the average person and the person who "May" decide to do a felonious act out of anger, mental disability or pressure. You want to control the Criminal, good F###ing luck with that.

Sure, by the NRA argument, more guns make for a safer America. What is confusing is that there are more guns per person in America than any other country, and it is the one country that one is most likely to be killed by a firearm.

If an honest citizen owns more guns only criminals are less safe

if you want gun crimes to go down put gang bangers in jail and throw away the key

Every murderer who ever lived was once a law abiding citizen.

Every gun owner is not a future murderer

 

[Mac-7]

So you can shoot my eyes out at 100 yards?

thats impressive

but if your motivation is making America safer by limiting the gun rights of honest responsible citizens then you wont stop stop till all the guns are taken away

because the good people will be the first to be disarmed and the street thugs will be the last if they are ever disarmed at all

Sorry, we don't need you to go back into the room. We already passed the common sense gun regs. But you are free to keep screaming your lungs out if you wish.

You keep signing on for more

whats next on your agenda?

Nah, we are done until someone can figure out another weapon of war to inflict on the civilian population. But you go ahead and nash your teeth and yell your little heart out.

Maybe you think you are done

but the lib thundering herd has bigger ideas and where they go you are bound to follow

We don't listen to the gungrabbers anymore than we listen to you gunnutters. The Majority of the Population find both of your groups more than a bit insane. If you want change, shut your mouth a hell of a lot more than you do. You keep looking for someone to place blame. It's not a rightee or a leftee, it's doing what is right. How about ceasing to sound like a loon.

Sorry, but I wont allow you to take my 2nd Amendment rights anymore than I would your buddies hiding in the anti gun room

 

[Vandalshandle]

In some states, if one has a concealed weapon permit or license, he isn’t subject to a NICS background check at all.

Holders of a Florida concealed weapon license aren’t subject to a waiting period.

But the dishonest right won’t acknowledge these facts – they just continue to propagate their lies.

you do understand that if you get a CCP or a buyers permit, you already are undergoing a background check....

Not in my state. I can buy a firearm at a gun show, and conceal carry with no background check OR permit.

not according to federal law...
Hillary's 'Gun Show Loophole' Proposal Is A Joke

Flat out, false.

nope

I will wait patiently while you point out the wording in the law that requires a private seller to ask if the buyer is legally authorized to own a firearm.