Let Them Kill Each Other

[Little-Acorn]

And when they re-start their training camps to train suicide bombers, terrorists, etc. to come to this country and attack the Great Satan's citizens (that's you and me, and your wife and kids etc.).....???

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Letting Iraq become Syria II is fucking insane.

Iraq has oil as the grand prize for the winner between Iran terrorists and AQ terrorists.

Only an insane fucker thinks Islamic terrorists taking over Iraq is good for the US, the Kurds and neighbors of Iraq....nevermind the innocent Iraqis caught in the middle of this bullshit.

we already left....if Maliki wants us back he needs to change a few things...otherwise it is just going to be more of the same...

after they've killed each other off.....whoever wins is going to need to sell that oil....

and if they don't sell it to us.....we will just have to gear up OUR oil fields....too bad BO....

 

[Mojo2]

Don't think for a moment that it didn't also serve America's interests to do what we could to make Iraqi Liberation a success.

Liberated from what? Saddam was an asshat, but at least the country was stable. The only interests our invasion served was corporate. No American or foreign soldier for any Iraqi's freedom. That's a crock of shit propaganda spewed to us by our lying government.

The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 is a United States Congressional statement of policy calling for regime change in Iraq.[1][2]

It was signed into law by President Bill Clinton, and states that it is the policy of the United States to support democratic movements within Iraq. The Act was cited in October 2002 to argue for the authorization of military force against the Iraqi government.

The bill was sponsored by Representative Benjamin A. Gilman (Republican, NY-20) and co-sponsored by Representative Christopher Cox (Republican, CA-47).

The bill was introduced as H.R. 4655 on September 29, 1998.

The House of Representatives passed the bill 360 - 38 on October 5, and the Senate passed it with unanimous consent two days later. President Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act into law on October 31, 1998.[3]


Findings and declaration of policy[edit]
The Act found that between 1980 and 1998 Iraq had:

committed various and significant violations of international law,

had failed to comply with the obligations to which it had agreed following the Gulf War and

further had ignored resolutions of the United Nations Security Council.
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The Act declared that it was the Policy of the United States to support "regime change."

The Act was passed 360-38 in the U.S. House of Representatives[4] and by unanimous consent in the Senate.[5]

US President Bill Clinton signed the bill into law on October 31, 1998.

The law's stated purpose was: "to establish a program to support a transition to democracy in Iraq." Specifically, Congress made findings of past Iraqi military actions in violation of International Law and that Iraq had denied entry of United Nations Special Commission on Iraq (UNSCOM) inspectors into its country to inspect for weapons of mass destruction.

Congress found: "It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime."

On December 16, 1998, President Bill Clinton mandated Operation Desert Fox, a major four-day bombing campaign on Iraqi targets.

President Clinton stated in February 1998:

Iraq admitted, among other things, an offensive biological warfare capability, notably, 5,000 gallons of botulinum, which causes botulism; 2,000 gallons of anthrax; 25 biological-filled Scud warheads; and 157 aerial bombs. And I might say UNSCOM inspectors believe that Iraq has actually greatly understated its production....

Over the past few months, as [the weapons inspectors] have come closer and closer to rooting out Iraq's remaining nuclear capacity, Saddam has undertaken yet another gambit to thwart their ambitions by imposing debilitating conditions on the inspectors and declaring key sites which have still not been inspected off limits....

It is obvious that there is an attempt here, based on the whole history of this operation since 1991, to protect whatever remains of his capacity to produce weapons of mass destruction, the missiles to deliver them, and the feed stocks necessary to produce them. The UNSCOM inspectors believe that Iraq still has stockpiles of chemical and biological munitions, a small force of Scud-type missiles, and the capacity to restart quickly its production program and build many, many more weapons....

Now, let's imagine the future. What if he fails to comply and we fail to act, or we take some ambiguous third route, which gives him yet more opportunities to develop this program of weapons of mass destruction and continue to press for the release of the sanctions and continue to ignore the solemn commitments that he made? Well, he will conclude that the international community has lost its will.

He will then conclude that he can go right on and do more to rebuild an arsenal of devastating destruction. And some day, some way, I guarantee you he'll use the arsenal....

President Clinton ~ 1998[6]

Iraq Liberation Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[JakeStarkey]

Sending troops back in is a zero sum statement: we will lose more troops and make no significant change that we want.

Withdraw. Let the Muslims kill one another.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

And when they re-start their training camps to train suicide bombers, terrorists, etc. to come to this country and attack the Great Satan's citizens (that's you and me, and your wife and kids etc.).....???

so you think it is just the sunni who hate us.....?

 

[BobPlumb]

After 9-11 America wanted to kick someone's ass. Almost 3000 died because of Muslim terrorist in the towers. Is America stronger for having the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq or us America weaker? I was for the wars and supported Bush, but hindsight makes me think a more measured response would have been better. Without the wars we could have gotten a handle on our national debt and avoided the over 5000 military deaths and tens of thousands of life changing injures. I kind of think we gave OBL exactly what he wanted, a weaker America because of the wars.

 

[Mojo2]

After 9-11 America wanted to kick someone ass. Almost 3000 died because of Muslim terrorist. Is America stronger for having the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq or us America weaker? I was for the wars and supported Bush, but hindsight makes me think a more measured response would have been better. Without the wars we could have gotten a handle on our national debt and avoided the over 5000 military deaths and tens of thousands of life changing injures. I kind of think we gave OBL exactly what he wanted, a weaker America because of the wars.

No, Iraq has taken a turn for the worse AFTER the situation was well in hand.

Obama has to take the blame for it.

Don't go re-thinking the entire effort just because Obama sabotaged the outcome.

None of this HAD to happen after we left except that Obama intentionally or through sheer incompetence orchestrated it to happen.

 

[hazlnut]

I was hoping this thread was about the tea party…. Very disappointing.

 

[tinydancer]

White people always know what is best for the Middle East. Remember when Britain arbitrarily drew lines on a map to create Iraq in the first place, disregarding the numerous cultures and dialects that were being lumped in together?

If an independent State can be the size of Vatican City, then just draw new random borders in the sand. A nation for Kurds, a nation for Sunnis, a nation for Shiites. And while white people are at it, they can create a nation for Jews and a nation for Palestinians.

Then everyone can stay within their own little imaginary lines and be their own country.

But white people know better than that. Iraq has to remain intact, one nation under OPEC.

White people?

 

[tinydancer]

I've already brought up that the League of Nations LIBERALS FORMED IRAQ YOU DUMB FUCK.

 

[KNB]

White people?

White people, like the kind who need to stay out of Iraq. Perhaps try leading by example.

Maybe that's why the "freedom fighters" in the ISIS are killing and torturing anyone who resists. Bush showed them the way.

 

[tinydancer]

They are going to kill each other no matter what we do so I suggest we stay the hell out of it. Those religious assholes who cannot see any further than the interests of their shitty sects and tribes mean to commit murder on each other and we would be fools to feed any of our people into that retarded wood chipper. What the hell do the warhawks think we can accomplish there? Destroy Mosul to save it?

You let these bad boys get Baghdad they will have the power to kill all of us. You really need to check out these dudes.

 

[KNB]

They are going to kill each other no matter what we do so I suggest we stay the hell out of it. Those religious assholes who cannot see any further than the interests of their shitty sects and tribes mean to commit murder on each other and we would be fools to feed any of our people into that retarded wood chipper. What the hell do the warhawks think we can accomplish there? Destroy Mosul to save it?

You let these bad boys get Baghdad they will have the power to kill all of us. You really need to check out these dudes.

The power to kill all of us with what? Toyota trucks full of insurgents? Are they going to hop a cargo flight to Miami?

 

[tinydancer]

White people?

White people, like the kind who need to stay out of Iraq. Perhaps try leading by example.

Maybe that's why the "freedom fighters" in the ISIS are killing and torturing anyone who resists. Bush showed them the way.

Freedom fighters you say. I'm on various Shia websites right now. So you are saying that ISIS is a freedom fighting group.

Please explain.

 

[tinydancer]

They are going to kill each other no matter what we do so I suggest we stay the hell out of it. Those religious assholes who cannot see any further than the interests of their shitty sects and tribes mean to commit murder on each other and we would be fools to feed any of our people into that retarded wood chipper. What the hell do the warhawks think we can accomplish there? Destroy Mosul to save it?

You let these bad boys get Baghdad they will have the power to kill all of us. You really need to check out these dudes.

The power to kill all of us with what? Toyota trucks full of insurgents? Are they going to hop a cargo flight to Miami?

You don't have a clue what you are talking about do you?

 

[ScienceRocks]

White people?

White people, like the kind who need to stay out of Iraq. Perhaps try leading by example.

Maybe that's why the "freedom fighters" in the ISIS are killing and torturing anyone who resists. Bush showed them the way.

Freedom fighters you say. I'm on various Shia websites right now. So you are saying that ISIS is a freedom fighting group.

Please explain.

ISIS is a religious fundmentalist group violently forcing their way on the rest of the country. This KNB idiot believes that the whitey is the cause of all wars and violence, and if we just let the world rip its own throat out here in our borders = it really didn't happen.

 

[Bush92]

No you cannot allow the butchery. Come on man. Why did all our good men and women die for these peoples freedom.

We shed our blood for them.

they died for a neo-con experiment in foreign policy and democracy. Supplant democracy in Iraq and it will spread to other regions. That was NEVER going to happen. Any boob that makes an even rudimentary study of the history of the region knows this.

sup·plant
səˈplant/Submit
verb
supersede and replace.
"another discovery could supplant the original finding"
synonyms: replace, supersede, displace, take over from, substitute for, override More
oust, usurp, overthrow, remove, topple, unseat, depose, dethrone;
succeed, come after;
informalfill someone's shoes/boots

my bad. Should have read supplant "dictatorship with"

 

[tinydancer]

Without a word of a lie I am on Shia websites. Would anyone here like to tell them why Obama is backing the Sunnis?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

After 9-11 America wanted to kick someone ass. Almost 3000 died because of Muslim terrorist. Is America stronger for having the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq or us America weaker? I was for the wars and supported Bush, but hindsight makes me think a more measured response would have been better. Without the wars we could have gotten a handle on our national debt and avoided the over 5000 military deaths and tens of thousands of life changing injures. I kind of think we gave OBL exactly what he wanted, a weaker America because of the wars.

No, Iraq has taken a turn for the worse AFTER the situation was well in hand.

Obama has to take the blame for it.

Don't go re-thinking the entire effort just because Obama sabotaged the outcome.

None of this HAD to happen after we left except that Obama intentionally or through sheer incompetence orchestrated it to happen.

agreed....but we are where we are....participating in the sectarian madness is crazy....unless we wish to take sides....

 

[ScienceRocks]

Crazy fucking world we live on. Religious fundmentalism groups like the isis are out to impose strict islam on the middle east.