Let There Be Peace Already

[Lipush]

The myth.

Most Israeli Jews are indigenous to the Near East. /QUOTE]

The reality:

Jewish 76.4% (of which Israel-born 67.1%, Europe/America-born 22.6%, Africa-born 5.9%, Asia-born 4.2%), non-Jewish 23.6% (mostly Arab)

Going back ONE generation, the figure for Israeli born is less than 50%.

More than one million Israeli citizens have moved from Russia during the past 20 years alone.

As always Stone - PLEASE POST HONESTLY.

You know less than zero. Repeating the same mistake doesn't make it correct, it merely shows your own self-defeat.

Most Israeli Jews are indigenous to the Near East. Nearly one million Jews were expelled from Arab countries in the aftermath of the '48 War and were repatriated in Israel.

1 million Jews lived in Egypt in the 4th century BCE where the Septuagint Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible was translated to serve the large Greek-speaking Jewish community.

Read, learn...

Eminent Historian Sir Martin Gilbert, Author of 10 Books on Middle East History and History of Jerusalem

Jerusalem became the capital of the first Jewish kingdom in 1004 BC, over 3000 years ago. With the brief exception of the Crusader period, no other non-Jewish ruling power of Jerusalem made the city a capital but it was consistently a capital for the Jews. Driven into partial exile by Nebuchadnezzar in 586 BC, the Jews returned fifty years later and rebuilt Jerusalem as their capital. It was their capital, too, under the Maccabees. The unity of the city achieved in 1967, then, was more than a quirk of military geography. It was the fulfillment of unbroken historical longings.

In 1210, following the defeat of the Crusaders, groups of Jews began to return to Jerusalem. Henceforth, without interruption, and in every decade, individual Jews and groups of Jews reached the city from the Maghreb [north Africa] and elsewhere forming an ever-growing community. Driven out by the Tartar invasion of 1244, they had returned by 1250. Three times a day the Jews repeated in their prayers, "And to Jerusalem Thy city mayest thou return to mercy, and dwell in its midst as Thou hast spoken, and rebuild it soon in our days for evermore

Areas from which some 300 Rabbis travelled to Jerusalem, Acre and Ramla in 1210 AD, to strengthen the Jewish communities weakened by the Crusader massacres and expulsions. Jews are known to have traveled from throughout the region to Jerusalem [after 1267], settling permanently and forming by 1841 the largest single community in Jerusalem.

1000 AD: Jews take part in the defence of Haifa against the Crusades

1099:AD: Jews take part in the defence of Jerusalem against the Crusaders

1211: Several Rabbis from France and England settle in Jerusalem

1267: Maimonides arrives in Jerusalem and establishes a synagogue . During the next 500 years, Jerusalem is reinstated as a centre of Jewish learning.

In 1500, there were an estimated 10,000 Jews living in the Safed region

1563: Establishment of a Hebrew printing press in Jerusalem, the first printing press on the Asian Continent

By 1880 the Jews formed the majority of the population Jerusalem

During the 17th and 18th centuries, many Jerusalem Jews, scholars and rabbis, travelled from Jerusalem to teach in Jewish communities elsewhere, and also to seek alms and charity for the poorer members of their own community. there was also a regular movement of families, in both directions, between Jerusalem and several towns of the eastern Mediterranean region

Jewish villages in Israel 1855--1914...

Deganya
Jerusalem
Safed
Tiberias
Kinneret
Merhavya
Zikhron Yacov
Ekron
Mikveh Israel
Rishon le-Zion
Ben Shemen
Rehovot
Hulda
Kastinia
Artuf
Hebron
Ruhama
Beer-Toviya
Hartuv
Gedera
Kfar Uriya
Motza
Nes Ziona
Beer Yaakov
Nahalat Yehuda
Mahane Yehuda
Ein Ganim
Petah Tikvah
Kfar Sava
Kfar Mahal
Hadera
Gan Shmuel
Nahliel
Karkur
Givat Ada
Bat Shelomo
Tantura
Shefeiya
Yavneel
Beit Gan
Kfar Tova
Poriya
Sejera
Menahemya
Beitanya
Mizpa
Kfar Hittim
Bnei Yehuda
Mishmar Hayarden
Ayelet Hashashar
Ein Zeitim
Metulla
[ame=http://www.amazon.com/GilbertsThe-Routledge-History-Historical-Hardcover/dp/B0041CNUIC/ref=sr_1_24?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1333126978&sr=1-24]Amazon.com: Martin Gilbert'sThe Routledge Atlas of Jewish History (Routledge Historical Atlases) [Hardcover](2010): M., (Author) Gilbert: Books[/ame]

Please don't post the same thing million times. I believe you have great knowledge, you don't have to spam. Take care.

 

[JStone]

The myth.




You know less than zero. Repeating the same mistake doesn't make it correct, it merely shows your own self-defeat.

Most Israeli Jews are indigenous to the Near East. Nearly one million Jews were expelled from Arab countries in the aftermath of the '48 War and were repatriated in Israel.

1 million Jews lived in Egypt in the 4th century BCE where the Septuagint Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible was translated to serve the large Greek-speaking Jewish community.

Read, learn...

Eminent Historian Sir Martin Gilbert, Author of 10 Books on Middle East History and History of Jerusalem

Jerusalem became the capital of the first Jewish kingdom in 1004 BC, over 3000 years ago. With the brief exception of the Crusader period, no other non-Jewish ruling power of Jerusalem made the city a capital but it was consistently a capital for the Jews. Driven into partial exile by Nebuchadnezzar in 586 BC, the Jews returned fifty years later and rebuilt Jerusalem as their capital. It was their capital, too, under the Maccabees. The unity of the city achieved in 1967, then, was more than a quirk of military geography. It was the fulfillment of unbroken historical longings.

In 1210, following the defeat of the Crusaders, groups of Jews began to return to Jerusalem. Henceforth, without interruption, and in every decade, individual Jews and groups of Jews reached the city from the Maghreb [north Africa] and elsewhere forming an ever-growing community. Driven out by the Tartar invasion of 1244, they had returned by 1250. Three times a day the Jews repeated in their prayers, "And to Jerusalem Thy city mayest thou return to mercy, and dwell in its midst as Thou hast spoken, and rebuild it soon in our days for evermore

Areas from which some 300 Rabbis travelled to Jerusalem, Acre and Ramla in 1210 AD, to strengthen the Jewish communities weakened by the Crusader massacres and expulsions. Jews are known to have traveled from throughout the region to Jerusalem [after 1267], settling permanently and forming by 1841 the largest single community in Jerusalem.

1000 AD: Jews take part in the defence of Haifa against the Crusades

1099:AD: Jews take part in the defence of Jerusalem against the Crusaders

1211: Several Rabbis from France and England settle in Jerusalem

1267: Maimonides arrives in Jerusalem and establishes a synagogue . During the next 500 years, Jerusalem is reinstated as a centre of Jewish learning.

In 1500, there were an estimated 10,000 Jews living in the Safed region

1563: Establishment of a Hebrew printing press in Jerusalem, the first printing press on the Asian Continent

By 1880 the Jews formed the majority of the population Jerusalem

During the 17th and 18th centuries, many Jerusalem Jews, scholars and rabbis, travelled from Jerusalem to teach in Jewish communities elsewhere, and also to seek alms and charity for the poorer members of their own community. there was also a regular movement of families, in both directions, between Jerusalem and several towns of the eastern Mediterranean region

Jewish villages in Israel 1855--1914...

Deganya
Jerusalem
Safed
Tiberias
Kinneret
Merhavya
Zikhron Yacov
Ekron
Mikveh Israel
Rishon le-Zion
Ben Shemen
Rehovot
Hulda
Kastinia
Artuf
Hebron
Ruhama
Beer-Toviya
Hartuv
Gedera
Kfar Uriya
Motza
Nes Ziona
Beer Yaakov
Nahalat Yehuda
Mahane Yehuda
Ein Ganim
Petah Tikvah
Kfar Sava
Kfar Mahal
Hadera
Gan Shmuel
Nahliel
Karkur
Givat Ada
Bat Shelomo
Tantura
Shefeiya
Yavneel
Beit Gan
Kfar Tova
Poriya
Sejera
Menahemya
Beitanya
Mizpa
Kfar Hittim
Bnei Yehuda
Mishmar Hayarden
Ayelet Hashashar
Ein Zeitim
Metulla
Amazon.com: Martin Gilbert'sThe Routledge Atlas of Jewish History (Routledge Historical Atlases) [Hardcover](2010): M., (Author) Gilbert: Books

Please don't post the same thing million times. I believe you have great knowledge, you don't have to spam. Take care.

Shut the fuck up. Have a nice day.

 

[Lipush]

Please don't post the same thing million times. I believe you have great knowledge, you don't have to spam. Take care.

Shut the fuck up. Have a nice day.

you to, lil spammer

 

[JStone]

Shut the fuck up. Have a nice day.

you to, lil spammer

You too, bitch. Step on an IED

 

[Lipush]

you to, lil spammer

You too, bitch. Step on an IED

Make sure not to bang your head at the door on the way out. And here I was polite to you and all

you give us israelis a bad name.

 

[JStone]

You too, bitch. Step on an IED

Make sure not to bang your head at the door on the way out. And here I was polite to you and all

you give us israelis a bad name.

 

[docmauser1]

So even though you now admit that Jews were not the first inhabitants of Egypt - you consider it their land?

Honorable P F Tinmore does through proposing elsewhere that jews should return to Egypt.

DICKHEAD

I don't think he'll appreciate being called that.

 

[docmauser1]

"This message is hidden because docmauser1 is on your ignore list." Ahhh, life is good.

Indeed, less drivel for me to contend with.

 

[Saigon]

Repeating the same mistake doesn't make it correct, it merely shows your own self-defeat.

Ok, I'm calling troll on this one....there is no way JStone could post that without irony, is there?

 

[rhodescholar]

You mean like most of the Israelis who aren't native to the area either?

Asshole, if most israelis and most arabs are immigrants to the area - why would the arabs have more rights than anyone else?

 

[rhodescholar]

So if Jews have lived anywhere in the world at any time - it is then theirs, and does not belong to the 90% of the population who are not Jews?

Let me fix the question for you, idiot:

So if arab muslims have lived anywhere in the world at any time - it is then theirs, and cannot belong to anyone else, as in dar-al islam?

 

[JStone]

Repeating the same mistake doesn't make it correct, it merely shows your own self-defeat.

Ok, I'm calling troll on this one....there is no way JStone could post that without irony, is there?

SAIGON

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[Saigon]

Rhodes -

To my way of thinking - continual habitation on a piece of land is the only real claim to international legitimacy.

I do not accept owenrship by conquest - not when Iraq invades Kuwait, or when Israel occupies the West Bank.

btw. Please try and limit and abuse and name-calling. If you need to do that to feel good, it suggests to me you don't have a great grasp of the topic.

btw. Would you mind telling us your experience/background in the Middle East on the other thread? I am trying to restrict my discussions now to people who are genuinely interested in this topic, and not just posting gossip and hate speech.

 

[JStone]

Rhodes -

To my way of thinking - continual habitation on a piece of land is the only real claim to international legitimacy.

I do not accept owenrship by conquest - not when Iraq invades Kuwait, or when Israel occupies the West Bank.

btw. Please try and limit and abuse and name-calling. If you need to do that to feel good, it suggests to me you don't have a great grasp of the topic.

btw. Would you mind telling us your experience/background in the Middle East on the other thread? I am trying to restrict my discussions now to people who are genuinely interested in this topic, and not just posting gossip and hate speech.

Palesteenian Hamas Minister of the Interior Fathi Hammad, Al-Hekma TV [Egypt]: "Half of the Palestiniains are Egyptians and the other half are Saudis"

Brothers, there are 1.8 million of us in Gaza. Allah be praised, we all have Arab roots and every Palestinian in Gaza and throughout Palestine can prove his Arab roots--whether from Saudi Arabia, from Yemen, or anywhere.

Personally, half my family is Egyptian. We are all like that.

More than 30 families in the Gaza Strip are called Al-Masri [Egyptian]

Brothers, half of the Palestiniains are Egyptians and the other half are Saudis

Who are the Palestinians? we have many families called Al-Masri, whose roots are Egyptian. Egyptian! They may be from Alexandria, from Cairo, from Dumietta, from the North, from aswan, from Upper Egypt. We are Egyptians. we are Arabs. We are Muslims

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAfENxzv2mc]Hamas Interior Minister Slams Egypt over Fuel Shortage in Gaza Strip: We are Egyptians! - YouTube[/ame]

 

[P F Tinmore]

Rhodes -

To my way of thinking - continual habitation on a piece of land is the only real claim to international legitimacy.

I do not accept owenrship by conquest - not when Iraq invades Kuwait, or when Israel occupies the West Bank.

btw. Please try and limit and abuse and name-calling. If you need to do that to feel good, it suggests to me you don't have a great grasp of the topic.

btw. Would you mind telling us your experience/background in the Middle East on the other thread? I am trying to restrict my discussions now to people who are genuinely interested in this topic, and not just posting gossip and hate speech.

I agree 100%.

The League of Nations created the state of Palestine and defined its borders in 1922. All of the people whose normal residence was inside those borders at that time officially became Palestinians. I can't see how anyone could argue that.

 

[JStone]

Rhodes -

To my way of thinking - continual habitation on a piece of land is the only real claim to international legitimacy.

I do not accept owenrship by conquest - not when Iraq invades Kuwait, or when Israel occupies the West Bank.

btw. Please try and limit and abuse and name-calling. If you need to do that to feel good, it suggests to me you don't have a great grasp of the topic.

btw. Would you mind telling us your experience/background in the Middle East on the other thread? I am trying to restrict my discussions now to people who are genuinely interested in this topic, and not just posting gossip and hate speech.

I agree 100%.

The League of Nations created the state of Palestine and defined its borders in 1922. All of the people whose normal residence was inside those borders at that time officially became Palestinians. I can't see how anyone could argue that.

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[Saigon]

JStone -

Once again, you seem to be spamming your own thread in lieu of actually mustering a coherent statement.

Is there an adult in the house who could help you with your posting?

 

[theliq]

If we go back far enough in our geneology, most Christians have a Jewish bloodline. The same as Jesus, John the Baptist & the apostles. To hate Jews is to hate their own heritage.

Jesus was Jewish. John the Baptist was Jewish. The Apostle Paul was Jewish. The authors of the 4 Gospels were likely all Jewish.

Baptism was originally a Jewish ritual of purification

For about the first 100 years after Jesus's death ca 30 CE, the Jesus movement was mostly a Jewish sect. Those wishing to follow Jesus were first required to convert to Judaism.

Well You have always been an ununified mob really,hense the 12 tribes of which there has never been real unification of the Jews, even today you are basically a country of different people from different parts of the world....who have little in common....apart from this artificial country called Israel.....non of you would be FULL-BLOOD Jews,if we took a look at your past.........and few related to each other. So your so called PURITY BULLSHIT is just that....you are bitsas like the rest of mankind a bit of this and a bit of that.


Palestinians would have a stonger claim of being pureblooded.


theliq bring into focus the future of jews

 

[ima]

So if Jews have lived anywhere in the world at any time - it is then theirs, and does not belong to the 90% of the population who are not Jews?

Let me fix the question for you, idiot:

So if arab muslims have lived anywhere in the world at any time - it is then theirs, and cannot belong to anyone else, as in dar-al islam?

So if someone is raping another person somewhere in the world, that makes it ok for you to rape someone where you are?

 

[docmauser1]

The League of Nations created the state of Palestine and defined its borders in 1922. All of the people whose normal residence was inside those borders at that time officially became Palestinians. I can't see how anyone could argue that.

Yes, we can! So, who was that sultan, emir, sheikh, president, prime-minister of that "palestine"?