Let's debunk a right wing media (and Trump admin) myth, shall we.

[MindWars]

Why Do Democrat States Have the Highest Number of Coronavirus Deaths? Why Does NYC Have Thousands of Deaths to Seoul, South Korea’s 2 Deaths?

oh imagine the shit you morons never see cause your a demonicrat...

 

[berg80]

oh imagine the shit you morons never see cause your a demonicrat...

The locations of the hotspots have been widely covered.

What does your post have to do with the OP?

 

[Oddball]

Heard last night an "expert" saying that the local "wet market" in Wuhan did NOT sell bats for human consumption.

Classic case of "experts" having contradictory "facts." And we, the non-experts, have to sort it out.

I do not know the science, but I have read experts who have said humans can not get COVID-19 directly from bats in any way.
They say there has to be some other link between bats and humans, that as not been proven yet.
But the first suggestion was pangolins.
But again, that is not proven to be even possible, much less a fact.

For cryin' out loud, read this.

No, the coronavirus wasn’t made in a lab. A genetic analysis shows it’s from nature

Scientists took conspiracy theories seriously and analyzed the coronavirus to reveal its natural origins.

www.sciencenews.org

NOBODY IS CLAIMING IT WAS MADE IN A LAB, YOU FUCKING DEMENTED FOOL!

ACCIDENTALLY ESCAPING FROM A LAB AND BEING ENGINEERED IN THAT SETTING ARE TWO COMPLETELY SEPARATE ISSUES!

You are dumber than a goddamn bag of hammers.

 

[Oddball]

The best evidence so far is that the virus originated in China. Why is the left so desperate to defend China these days? Is it proof that TDS is real?

Yes.

 

[Rigby5]

The COVID-19 did not necessarily come from China at all.

Let's not confuse the mater further by introducing more unsubstantiated speculation.

It is not unsubstantiated speculation, but recognition of the fact viruses are NEVER local.
For example, the swine flu of 2009 was identified as H1N1 based on its RNA factors.
Well so was the 1918 Spanish flu, H1N1.
So most likely the swine flu of 2009 was a descendant of the 1918 Spanish flu.
And all viruses likely are descendants of other viruses from other places.
COVID-19 did not come out of thin air in China.
We all bare responsibility for the long history of its evolution.

And that is significant because we are increasing the frequency of generating new and ever more deadly pandemics.
The factors that make this happen are high human densities, more interaction with wild animals by our destruction of their habitat, and more transference and hybridization by too much human travel.

COVID-19 is insignificant.
It is the is the next 10 ever more lethal pandemics we should be worried about and doing something to prevent.

 

[justoffal]

The COVID-19 did not necessarily come from China at all.

Let's not confuse the mater further by introducing more unsubstantiated speculation.

The only thing unsubstantiated here is your cognitive abilities. I you soak poison ivy leaves in a bucket ...fill up a squirt gun and then go about spraying people with it do you insist that the activity is totally natural? So man didn't create poison ivy but the rest of the action is 100% human driven just as it is with the virus.

JO

 

[justoffal]

The COVID-19 did not necessarily come from China at all.

Let's not confuse the mater further by introducing more unsubstantiated speculation.

It is not unsubstantiated speculation, but recognition of the fact viruses are NEVER local.
For example, the swine flu of 2009 was identified as H1N1 based on its RNA factors.
Well so was the 1918 Spanish flu, H1N1.
So most likely the swine flu of 2009 was a descendant of the 1918 Spanish flu.
And all viruses likely are descendants of other viruses from other places.
COVID-19 did not come out of thin air in China.
We all bare responsibility for the long history of its evolution.

And that is significant because we are increasing the frequency of generating new and ever more deadly pandemics.
The factors that make this happen are high human densities, more interaction with wild animals by our destruction of their habitat, and more transference and hybridization by too much human travel.

COVID-19 is insignificant.
It is the is the next 10 ever more lethal pandemics we should be worried about and doing something to prevent.

The Wuhan lab is in.....wait for it now....WUHAN.

JO

 

[berg80]

The COVID-19 did not necessarily come from China at all.

Let's not confuse the mater further by introducing more unsubstantiated speculation.

The only thing unsubstantiated here is your cognitive abilities. I you soak poison ivy leaves in a bucket ...fill up a squirt gun and then go about spraying people with it do you insist that the activity is totally natural? So man didn't create poison ivy but the rest of the action is 100% human driven just as it is with the virus.

JO

I've provided you with ample scientific research to show your theory is nothing but a pile of dung. Clearly, I can't force you to accept the truth. Have a nice day.

 

[Rigby5]

The best evidence so far is that the virus originated in China. Why is the left so desperate to defend China these days? Is it proof that TDS is real?

No, there is no evidence COVID-19 originated in China.
All we know is that the it was first identified from a large outbreak in China.
There were waves of illness in the US just before then, which no one bothered to identify, that could easily have been taken to China by a tourist or student.
And rural China would lack immunity so then would quickly cause a huge outbreak.

 

[Rigby5]

Heard last night an "expert" saying that the local "wet market" in Wuhan did NOT sell bats for human consumption.

Classic case of "experts" having contradictory "facts." And we, the non-experts, have to sort it out.

I do not know the science, but I have read experts who have said humans can not get COVID-19 directly from bats in any way.
They say there has to be some other link between bats and humans, that as not been proven yet.
But the first suggestion was pangolins.
But again, that is not proven to be even possible, much less a fact.

For cryin' out loud, read this.

No, the coronavirus wasn’t made in a lab. A genetic analysis shows it’s from nature

Scientists took conspiracy theories seriously and analyzed the coronavirus to reveal its natural origins.

www.sciencenews.org

What is your point?
I read your link and it says that bats and pangolins also have COVID-19, but likely so do many other animals.
And in fact, bats and pangolins could have gotten it from humans in the past.
There is absolutely no proof of what the actual chain of events was yet.
There is no singular "first case" determination of what human got it first from what.
Everything is just speculation.

 

[Oddball]

The COVID-19 did not necessarily come from China at all.

Let's not confuse the mater further by introducing more unsubstantiated speculation.

The only thing unsubstantiated here is your cognitive abilities. I you soak poison ivy leaves in a bucket ...fill up a squirt gun and then go about spraying people with it do you insist that the activity is totally natural? So man didn't create poison ivy but the rest of the action is 100% human driven just as it is with the virus.

JO

I've provided you with ample scientific research to show your theory is nothing but a pile of dung. Clearly, I can't force you to accept the truth. Have a nice day.

You've provided us with commie propaganda, like you do every day.

Nobody is buying your duplicitous lunacy anymore.

 

[Rigby5]

The COVID-19 did not necessarily come from China at all.

Let's not confuse the mater further by introducing more unsubstantiated speculation.

It is not unsubstantiated speculation, but recognition of the fact viruses are NEVER local.
For example, the swine flu of 2009 was identified as H1N1 based on its RNA factors.
Well so was the 1918 Spanish flu, H1N1.
So most likely the swine flu of 2009 was a descendant of the 1918 Spanish flu.
And all viruses likely are descendants of other viruses from other places.
COVID-19 did not come out of thin air in China.
We all bare responsibility for the long history of its evolution.

And that is significant because we are increasing the frequency of generating new and ever more deadly pandemics.
The factors that make this happen are high human densities, more interaction with wild animals by our destruction of their habitat, and more transference and hybridization by too much human travel.

COVID-19 is insignificant.
It is the is the next 10 ever more lethal pandemics we should be worried about and doing something to prevent.

The Wuhan lab is in.....wait for it now....WUHAN.

JO

The first IDENTIFIED outbreak is not necessarily the FIRST outbeak.
If it was around before but not identified, then we would never notice.
Previous outbreaks would be unlikely to be noticed if the local population already have some immunity to it.

 

[Rigby5]

The COVID-19 did not necessarily come from China at all.

Let's not confuse the mater further by introducing more unsubstantiated speculation.

The only thing unsubstantiated here is your cognitive abilities. I you soak poison ivy leaves in a bucket ...fill up a squirt gun and then go about spraying people with it do you insist that the activity is totally natural? So man didn't create poison ivy but the rest of the action is 100% human driven just as it is with the virus.

JO

I've provided you with ample scientific research to show your theory is nothing but a pile of dung. Clearly, I can't force you to accept the truth. Have a nice day.

What JO failed in his analogy is that poison ivy makes you itch with an oil that can not be harvested or accumulated by soaking. You might be able to collect it by heating or something else however.
Specifically we don't see anything by China that indicates any deliberate actions or motive.

 

[Rigby5]

oh imagine the shit you morons never see cause your a demonicrat...

The locations of the hotspots have been widely covered.

What does your post have to do with the OP?

Not following?
NY and Texas are both hotspots, but wildly different.
While CA is not a hot spot.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

There's a theory being promoted, not just by RWM but by members of the admin, that COVID is a man-made virus that "escaped from the lab." The implication being from at least some quarters that China intentionally unleashed the virus on the world (and themselves) for nefarious purposes. Oddly, at least one member of the admin has spoken out of both sides of his mouth as to COVID's origin.

Let's flush this out.

First, what does science say about whether it's man-made or not?

No, the coronavirus wasn’t made in a lab. A genetic analysis shows it’s from nature

No, the coronavirus wasn’t made in a lab. A genetic analysis shows it’s from nature

Scientists took conspiracy theories seriously and analyzed the coronavirus to reveal its natural origins.

www.sciencenews.org

"The coronavirus pandemic circling the globe is caused by a natural virus, not one made in a lab, a new study says.

The virus’s genetic makeup reveals that SARS-CoV-2 isn’t a mishmash of known viruses, as might be expected if it were human-made. And it has unusual features that have only recently been identified in scaly anteaters called pangolins, evidence that the virus came from nature, Kristian Andersen and his colleagues report March 17 in Nature Medicine."

Fauci: No scientific evidence the coronavirus was made in a Chinese lab

In an exclusive interview, the face of America’s COVID-19 response cautions against the rush for states to reopen, and offers his tips for handling the pandemic's information deluge.

www.nationalgeographic.com

So, not man-made.
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At this point is gets a bit weird. Because what the "escaped from the lab" theory actually seems to imply is the Chinese were experimenting on viruses and COVID got out. The language is important here since the word "escaped" suggests the Chinese didn't let the virus spread intentionally. Rather, "escaped" suggests it was a horrible mistake. A scenario whereby a scientist working in the lab was infected and unwittingly infected people outside. There is no evidence of this. Also, I wanted to add that if you believe China did this intentionally you must admit is was monumentally stupid of them to release it so close to a lab. Why not 1K miles away from a lab to throw the international community off their tracks?

The more probable scenario is..............
The coronavirus likely came from China’s wet markets. They’re reopening anyway.

The coronavirus likely came from China’s wet markets. They’re reopening anyway.

Should wet markets be banned? It’s more complicated than it seems.

www.vox.com

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Under either scenario a case can be made for China being negligent. Wet animal markets have long been recognized as a potential incubator for these types of viruses. If the virus "escaped" from the lab near Wuhan then they again bear responsibility for being negligent. Additionally, there is no dispute that under any circumstance the Chinese government is culpable for not informing the world about what was happening in China when the virus began to spread. That is unequivocal.
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However, the admin and its media lackeys needs to be more precise about what China is being accused of relative to why the virus began to spread. Chinese authorities are undoubtedly guilty of carelessness and of covering up COVID's early spread. For political purposes, China's culpability is being exploited by the admin in seeking a scapegoat for its own inadequate, inconsistent, and generally bungled response. But for the sake of accuracy, the evidence so far shows the COVID pandemic came about as the result of a tragic sequence of events, not on purpose.

There's a theory being promoted, not just by RWM but by members of the admin, that COVID is a man-made virus that "escaped from the lab." The implication being from at least some quarters that China intentionally unleashed the virus on the world (and themselves) for nefarious purposes. Oddly, at least one member of the admin has spoken out of both sides of his mouth as to COVID's origin.

Let's flush this out.

First, what does science say about whether it's man-made or not?

No, the coronavirus wasn’t made in a lab. A genetic analysis shows it’s from nature

No, the coronavirus wasn’t made in a lab. A genetic analysis shows it’s from nature

Scientists took conspiracy theories seriously and analyzed the coronavirus to reveal its natural origins.

www.sciencenews.org

"The coronavirus pandemic circling the globe is caused by a natural virus, not one made in a lab, a new study says.

The virus’s genetic makeup reveals that SARS-CoV-2 isn’t a mishmash of known viruses, as might be expected if it were human-made. And it has unusual features that have only recently been identified in scaly anteaters called pangolins, evidence that the virus came from nature, Kristian Andersen and his colleagues report March 17 in Nature Medicine."

Fauci: No scientific evidence the coronavirus was made in a Chinese lab

In an exclusive interview, the face of America’s COVID-19 response cautions against the rush for states to reopen, and offers his tips for handling the pandemic's information deluge.

www.nationalgeographic.com

So, not man-made.
..........................................................................................................................
At this point is gets a bit weird. Because what the "escaped from the lab" theory actually seems to imply is the Chinese were experimenting on viruses and COVID got out. The language is important here since the word "escaped" suggests the Chinese didn't let the virus spread intentionally. Rather, "escaped" suggests it was a horrible mistake. A scenario whereby a scientist working in the lab was infected and unwittingly infected people outside. There is no evidence of this. Also, I wanted to add that if you believe China did this intentionally you must admit is was monumentally stupid of them to release it so close to a lab. Why not 1K miles away from a lab to throw the international community off their tracks?

The more probable scenario is..............
The coronavirus likely came from China’s wet markets. They’re reopening anyway.

The coronavirus likely came from China’s wet markets. They’re reopening anyway.

Should wet markets be banned? It’s more complicated than it seems.

www.vox.com

...................................................................................................................................................
Under either scenario a case can be made for China being negligent. Wet animal markets have long been recognized as a potential incubator for these types of viruses. If the virus "escaped" from the lab near Wuhan then they again bear responsibility for being negligent. Additionally, there is no dispute that under any circumstance the Chinese government is culpable for not informing the world about what was happening in China when the virus began to spread. That is unequivocal.
.................................................................................................................................................
However, the admin and its media lackeys needs to be more precise about what China is being accused of relative to why the virus began to spread. Chinese authorities are undoubtedly guilty of carelessness and of covering up COVID's early spread. For political purposes, China's culpability is being exploited by the admin in seeking a scapegoat for its own inadequate, inconsistent, and generally bungled response. But for the sake of accuracy, the evidence so far shows the COVID pandemic came about as the result of a tragic sequence of events, not on purpose.

The “made in a lab” theory exists on the fringes of society with the conspiratorial types, although those are present in spades on this board and seem influential with this administration. There’s basically no evidence to support genetic engineering.

The discovered in the wild and researched in the lab is plausible, although if the virus was circulating among wild life and is capable of infecting humans, it’s really just a matter of time for it to become a pandemic. Seems less likely to me given that the lab and research doesn’t seem like some topic secret affair. They were publishing work and collaborating with others. Researching coronavirus has been a priority for some labs for decades, especially after SARS.

EXCELLENT National Geographic interview with Dr. Fauci. All the links above are worth reading. Thanks for bringing them to everybody’s attention.

As for the “circular reasoning” that a Chinese scientist may have gathered the virus from the wild and then it got accidentally released — this of course is possible. But as scientists and most Chinese know, the caves where Chinese scientists gathered virus strains for further study were scattered throughout China, including in areas in Hubei not far from Wuhan. Thousands of mountaineers and hikers regularly enter these huge caverns, and the bats fly widely at night, so “natural” cross-species spread was widely feared, even predicted, and was the reason for scientists to visit these caves in the first place. The outbreak was first discovered in Wuhan but may have originated in the countryside and slowly circulated for months before discovery. Wuhan is the central city in Hubei dominating the Yangtze River, and millions of tourists and merchants enter the city and its markets regularly. If it weren’t for the upgraded medical research facilities in Wuhan this virus would have gone undetected even longer, its DNA unanalyzed, treated much as any other flu until the mass casualties forced recognition.

The medical infrastructure in China, along with cooperation with Western scientists, needs strengthening, not politically-motivated disruption.

 

[theHawk]

Clearly he thinks we should all kiss China’s ass like he does.

How does posting the facts make me a Chinese ass kisser?

There weren’t many facts, you posted an article about one study, performed by a group of people setting out to debunk a “conspiracy theory”. It’s their opinion, not fact.

 

[MindWars]

oh imagine the shit you morons never see cause your a demonicrat...

The locations of the hotspots have been widely covered.

What does your post have to do with the OP?

It was pointing out how your media says one thing and then you want to claim the right wing is bs-inng whenn it's the other way around and my article demonstrates the lies the left pushes .

 

[MindWars]

and all their demonicrats who vote for them are just like their msm presstitutues....... These punta's are clueless.

 

[August West]

Fauci Rejects Right-Wing Theory Alleging That COVID-19 Came From Chinese Lab

Fauci Rejects Right-Wing Theory Alleging That COVID-19 Came From Chinese Lab

On Monday, White House coronavirus task force member Dr. Anthony Fauci dismissed the idea that COVID-19 originated from a lab in Wuhan, China, a theory President Donald Trump and his GOP allies have…

talkingpointsmemo.com

That may be true but it looks like Bootney was an eyewitness to what really happened. Why he hasn`t told Trump about this is a mystery.

 

[justoffal]

Fauci Rejects Right-Wing Theory Alleging That COVID-19 Came From Chinese Lab

Fauci Rejects Right-Wing Theory Alleging That COVID-19 Came From Chinese Lab

On Monday, White House coronavirus task force member Dr. Anthony Fauci dismissed the idea that COVID-19 originated from a lab in Wuhan, China, a theory President Donald Trump and his GOP allies have…

talkingpointsmemo.com

That may be true but it looks like Bootney was an eyewitness to what really happened. Why he hasn`t told Trump about this is a mystery.

Fauci cannot say shit about where it comes from and has no business even weighing in on the matter unless of course he's being paid to do it.

JO