Let's Reform The Individual Mandate In ACA

[ScienceRocks]

So, in other words, the worst off both worlds?

Tell us your ideal healthcare model.

Free enterprise. Get government out of the regulating, dictating, subsidizing role and let free markets work.

I love free enterprise but health care and education aren't issues that can be solved with that silver bullet. A lot can be done by free enterprise to help the public interest along.

 

[dblack]

What is wrong with a Public Option? It's the best of both worlds. "Shitty" government healthcare for all those dumb democrat moochers and amazing private insurance for all those self made, responsible conservative americans.

So, in other words, the worst off both worlds?

Tell us your ideal healthcare model.

My ideal model is irrelevant, because I'm opposed to forcing it on other people via government. That's the faulty premise of the mandate; that we should imagine an ideal system and force it on everyone.

 

[Disir]

I don't care how many times that this is drug out it all boils down to one argument.

We have a very small amount of health care to go around and so it should be reserved for those that are more deserving of it.

 

[dblack]

I don't care how many times that this is drug out it all boils down to one argument.

We have a very small amount of health care to go around and so it should be reserved for those that are more deserving of it.

???

 

[The Rabbi]

I don't care how many times that this is drug out it all boils down to one argument.

We have a very small amount of health care to go around and so it should be reserved for those that are more deserving of it.

We have an unlimited amount of healthcare available. Just like everything else. Do we have a limited amount of legal services? Or accounting services?

But back to the mandate, let's allow people to opt out just by writing a statement.

 

[kaz]

How do you propose to pay for pre-existing conditions?

That is the reason the mandate is necessary

Because of course, Comrade, it's government's job to fine me for not wanting to pay for someone else's pre- existing condition through overpaying for my own insurance. So I can either pay for their pre-existing condition or not get insurance and pay a fine. Wow, that's not out of control government ,is it?

Once again conservatives are outside of the reality that people are going to use the system. Go to the er! So you're saying reject them and let them die? You have no solutions for a very real problem!


Conservatives always have no solution besides throw the bum on the street or no government...No serious...

First of all, I'm a libertarian. I always like the liberal claim you're the party of diversity and yet you can't tell the difference between any two people who disagree with you from socons to libertarians.

Second, so the only solution you can think of is for government to take over 15 plus percent of the economy and force people to pay for other people's pre-existing conditions, their age, their sex and other factors that drive insurance rates and if they don't agree to a massive socialist redistribution of wealth scheme then they are fined and denied access to cost effective insurance. There really is no limit to the power you give government to fix our lives for us. And you advocate more of it no matter how often it doesn't work.

 

[RDD_1210]

As long as the insurance companies get their money, it's all good, right?

Not at all. But it's the shit system we have. I'd get rid of insurance companies all together if I could.

How about just restore our freedom to refuse to do business with them? That all the OP it's really asking for.

So what happens to someone who gets seriously ill can't afford the costs for their care? And if your solution is based upon relying on charity I know we won't be getting anywhere with this conversation.

 

[RDD_1210]

So, in other words, the worst off both worlds?

Tell us your ideal healthcare model.

Free enterprise. Get government out of the regulating, dictating, subsidizing role and let free markets work.

What country has that worked in?

 

[RDD_1210]

So, in other words, the worst off both worlds?

Tell us your ideal healthcare model.

My ideal model is irrelevant, because I'm opposed to forcing it on other people via government. That's the faulty premise of the mandate; that we should imagine an ideal system and force it on everyone.

Not irrelevant. I want to hear about the system you think we should be using. Whatever it may be. Don't be shy.

 

[The Rabbi]

Not at all. But it's the shit system we have. I'd get rid of insurance companies all together if I could.

How about just restore our freedom to refuse to do business with them? That all the OP it's really asking for.

So what happens to someone who gets seriously ill can't afford the costs for their care? And if your solution is based upon relying on charity I know we won't be getting anywhere with this conversation.

What happens to someone who does NOT get seriously ill? They can't afford the cost of premiums.
People who can't afford the cost of care have many avenues available. People who can't afford premiums don't.
That's why we should allow them to opt out.

 

[The Rabbi]

Tell us your ideal healthcare model.

Free enterprise. Get government out of the regulating, dictating, subsidizing role and let free markets work.

What country has that worked in?

All the ones that have tried it.

 

[RDD_1210]

Free enterprise. Get government out of the regulating, dictating, subsidizing role and let free markets work.

What country has that worked in?

All the ones that have tried it.

So none.

 

[dblack]

Not at all. But it's the shit system we have. I'd get rid of insurance companies all together if I could.

How about just restore our freedom to refuse to do business with them? That all the OP it's really asking for.

So what happens to someone who gets seriously ill can't afford the costs for their care? And if your solution is based upon relying on charity I know we won't be getting anywhere with this conversation.

If you're stuck on the premise that government should act as our caretaker, I doubt we will.

 

[dblack]

Tell us your ideal healthcare model.

Free enterprise. Get government out of the regulating, dictating, subsidizing role and let free markets work.

What country has that worked in?

All of them that didn't prohibit it.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

I don't care how many times that this is drug out it all boils down to one argument.

We have a very small amount of health care to go around and so it should be reserved for those that are more deserving of it.

Huh?

 

[rightwinger]

Here's a modest proposal:
The Obamacare roll out and the rough time people have had getting insurance have led to many people not being able to get affordable insurance. If they can't prove they have insurance they will have to pay the penalty under Obamacare.
To help them out, let's let people opt out of the mandate. Perhaps they can simply make a statement that complying is a hardship and that will excuse them from the penalty.
What do you think?

How do you propose to pay for pre-existing conditions?

That is the reason the mandate is necessary

Because of course, Comrade, it's government's job to fine me for not wanting to pay for someone else's pre- existing condition through overpaying for my own insurance. So I can either pay for their pre-existing condition or not get insurance and pay a fine. Wow, that's not out of control government ,is it?

Yes

That is how it works. Sometimes in life you are on the giving end and sometimes you are on the receiving end

In this case, people with pre-existing conditions were being blocked from the insurance market are on the receiving end. Not a pleasant circumstance if you suffer from a serious illness.

But, as a true Libertarian, your view is fuck them, I got mine

We understand.

 

[RDD_1210]

How about just restore our freedom to refuse to do business with them? That all the OP it's really asking for.

So what happens to someone who gets seriously ill can't afford the costs for their care? And if your solution is based upon relying on charity I know we won't be getting anywhere with this conversation.

If you're stuck on the premise that government should act as our caretaker, I doubt we will.

So you'll do anything to avoid answering questions. Why is that?

 

[dblack]

Tell us your ideal healthcare model.

My ideal model is irrelevant, because I'm opposed to forcing it on other people via government. That's the faulty premise of the mandate; that we should imagine an ideal system and force it on everyone.

Not irrelevant. I want to hear about the system you think we should be using. Whatever it may be. Don't be shy.

I think each of is should be free to use, or create, whatever system we like. At a fundamental level you really don't "get" that, do you?

 

[RDD_1210]

How about just restore our freedom to refuse to do business with them? That all the OP it's really asking for.

So what happens to someone who gets seriously ill can't afford the costs for their care? And if your solution is based upon relying on charity I know we won't be getting anywhere with this conversation.

What happens to someone who does NOT get seriously ill? They can't afford the cost of premiums.
People who can't afford the cost of care have many avenues available. People who can't afford premiums don't.
That's why we should allow them to opt out.

I've already told you that subsidies are available for those who can't afford it. You ignored that for some reason.

And if someone doesn't get seriously ill, then I'd consider that a good thing. Apparently you don't.

 

[RDD_1210]

Free enterprise. Get government out of the regulating, dictating, subsidizing role and let free markets work.

What country has that worked in?

All of them that didn't prohibit it.

Again....none.

Let me know when you're ready to talk about solutions based in reality.