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People have a way of distorting values and issues. Let's clear teh[sic] air here. there are many a liberal who is opposed to the progressive arguments and reasoning for many gun control laws.
Guns don't prevent deaths, they cause them. The gun as a defense argument is bogus. Guns are rarely used for defense. If you own a gun, you are twice as likely to be killed by a gun, so guns are dangerous to their owners.
Guns kept in the home for self-protection are 22 times more likely to kill a family member or friend than to kill in self-defense.[9]
The presence of a gun in the home triples the risk of homicide in the home.[10]
The presence of a gun in the home increases the risk of suicide fivefold.[11]
Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence
Why do you insist upon isolating "gun deaths" from the [other kinds of] deaths that defensive gun use so very often prevents? Why do you prefer [some other kind of] death to "gun death?"U.S. Leads Richest Nations In Gun Deaths
BY CHELSEA J. CARTER
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
ATLANTA -- The United States has by far the highest rate of gun deaths . . .
SNIPPED BECAUSE WE GET YOUR RETARDED POINT"Gun death" statistics are frequently cited, in the manner above, to strongly suggest that guns are the cause behind the high violent death rate in the U.S. As in the case of the Los Angeles Times article, no mention is made that over half of those violent deaths are suicides. The CNN article mentions gun homicides and gun suicides, but fails to show us the total violent death rate of other countries, not just gun deaths. For example, in Japan, where gun ownership is rare, its total suicide rate is higher than our total suicide rate.
Combining gun suicide and homicide deaths creates a sensational comparison with other countries, but only clouds and distorts the many factors actually behind violent death rates. Looking at only gun deaths, it is easy to get the false impression that, because of guns, the United States is the most violent country on earth.
Rather than being the "league leader" in violent death rates, as the sensational and misleading media reports suggest when focusing exclusively on guns, though the U.S. is still high, its violent death rate is not orders of magnitude higher than other countries. (See also international homicide comparisons.)
The "gun death" statistic is seldom referenced within its proper perspective and context. Also rare is the article that mentions the number of lives saved through defensive gun use and that our homicide rate is at a thirty year low and still declining (FBI Uniform Crime Reports).
You must have missed the post on another thread where a member described in VERY intimate detail how she was nearly raped. But for her having the .357 magnum that her father got her and putting it to the head of the guy about to rape her, nothing else would have stopped him.
Just something that happens thousands of times a day.
hello, Chris is oblivious to what you say as well as deaf. He's an old acquaintance. Trust me. think Virginia cracker with an inferiority complex as wide as his asshole.
Thanks.
How is your dog doing?
Come on Chris... Chris?
Come on Chris, take your thumbs out of your mouth and your ass and let it flow.
Do you want hand guns or other guns to be illegal? What gun laws (proposed and in law already) do you disagree with? You have maybe posted the most drivel on this thread.
Speak up. Chris?
If I had a nickel for every time Chris posts some misleading statistical propaganda about gun ownership, I'd have like four or five dollars by now...
and then some!
You are entitled to think whatever you want no matter how inane, because colonials in America with guns at their disposal fought to make it that way. Solving a crime problem is no job or concern of the gun manufacturers. Of course they lobby to be able to sell a legal product...D'oh!How do thousands of new guns each year get into criminals hands?
I think the gun manufacturers know that their guns are getting into the wrong hands and they lobby Republicans to not pass gun legislation that might solve this problem.
NO! You think about IT.Think about it.
I would think many of the guns thugs get are stolen. Maybe the gun manufacturers want to stop laws that ban stealing guns too?Lets say they produce a million guns every year and 800,000 of those guns go to law abiding citizens each year and 200,000 of them end up on the streets, in gang members hands.
Do you think the gun manufacturer would want to solve this problem and lose all the money they make on those extra 200K guns? I think not.
captain obvious has stunned me with a fact.The NRA lobby is one of the biggest lobbyist groups in Washington.
Detroit and other major cities are controlled by Dems. Do these Dems belong or listen to the big bad Gun people? Oh, I guess you are unaware how many liberals are NRA members? btw, you come across as another white racist scaredy cat ala kirk/ChrisAnd like with every other industry, profits outweigh everything else when it comes to the GOP and the corporations they serve. Deaths is no exception. Look at tobacco lobbyists.
should? bad way to get a point across...telling others what they should do.You should watch Thank You for Not Smoking. Pretty funny.
If I had a nickel for every time Chris posts some misleading statistical propaganda about gun ownership, I'd have like four or five dollars by now...
and then some!
Prove it.
How do thousands of new guns each year get into criminals hands?
I think the gun manufacturers know that their guns are getting into the wrong hands and they lobby Republicans to not pass gun legislation that might solve this problem.
Think about it. Lets say they produce a million guns every year and 800,000 of those guns go to law abiding citizens each year and 200,000 of them end up on the streets, in gang members hands.
Do you think the gun manufacturer would want to solve this problem and lose all the money they make on those extra 200K guns? I think not.
The NRA lobby is one of the biggest lobbyist groups in Washington.
And like with every other industry, profits outweigh everything else when it comes to the GOP and the corporations they serve. Deaths is no exception. Look at tobacco lobbyists.
You should watch Thank You for Not Smoking. Pretty funny.
Project ExileProject Exile was a controversial federal program started in Richmond, Virginia in 1997. Project Exile shifted the prosecution of illegal technical gun possession offenses to federal court, where they carried a mandatory minimum sentence of five years in federal prison under the federal Gun Control Act of 1968, rather than in state court.
The program was since copied by several other cities, sometimes under other names. In Atlanta for example the program was known as FACE 5 (Firearms in Atlanta Can Equal 5 years in federal prison).
The National Rifle Association (NRA) and the Brady Campaign were both early and vocal supporters of Project Exile, as were federal and city officials who claimed that Project Exile helped to reduce firearm-related violence in Richmond by 40 percent. The NRA lobbied the U.S. Congress to help secure $2.3 million for emulation of Exile in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and Camden County, New Jersey where similar firearms-related violence has plagued the communities.
Virginia Exile is the Commonwealth's tough program which carries bail restrictions and imposes a mandatory minimum sentence of five years in a Virginia prison for those who:
* have a prior conviction for a violent felony and are convicted of possessing a firearm;
* are convicted of possessing a firearm on school property with the intent to use it, or displaying it in a threatening manner;
* are convicted of possessing a firearm and Schedule I or II drugs such as cocaine or heroin, or convicted of possessing more than a pound of marijuana with the intent to sell.
I tend to agree with Chris on every issue. What's he saying about guns?
I think people like me should be able to register and carry a gun legally for protection.
I live near Detroit. I go into Detroit once in awhile too. There is no reason why I should be unprotected. If my car breaks down on the wrong street, I should not only have a cell phone so I can call for help, I should also be able to carry a gun to protect myself until help arrives.
And my grandmother should have a gun in the house for protection. She lives all by herself in Detroit. Been mugged several times. She lives among some animals. Some of the most ruthless murderous people in the country. Detroit is always at the top of the list for most dangerous cities. No reason we should be gunless and sheep when the criminals have guns.
I hate it that my parents don't have a gun in the home. They might one day wish they had one, god forbid.
I have mine hid in my home to where I could grab them quickly if needed, but it would take a long time for an intruder to find them.
Anyways, Chris, what is your point?
These right wingers are probably defending automatic cop killers or something. Do you want guns to be illegal?
Solving a crime problem is no job or concern of the gun manufacturers.
I would think many of the guns thugs get are stolen. Maybe the gun manufacturers want to stop laws that ban stealing guns too?
Detroit and other major cities are controlled by Dems. Do these Dems belong or listen to the big bad Gun people? Oh, I guess you are unaware how many liberals are NRA members? btw, you come across as another white racist scaredy cat ala kirk/Chris
should? bad way to get a point across...telling others what they should do.
free lesson. now maybe you should go back to spanking the monkey
I support the Virginia method of dealing with guns. Project Exile Don't punish or burden gun ownership. Instead punish bad behavior with a gun.
Project Exile
The National Rifle Association (NRA) and the Brady Campaign were both early and vocal supporters of Project Exile, as were federal and city officials who claimed that Project Exile helped to reduce firearm-related violence in Richmond by 40 percent. The NRA lobbied the U.S. Congress to help secure $2.3 million for emulation of Exile in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and Camden County, New Jersey where similar firearms-related violence has plagued the communities.
Opposing Project Exile was a coalition consisting of every other pro-gun rights group in the U.S. besides the NRA. A "Project Exile Condemnation Petition" was launched by Brian Puckett of GunTruths.com, Larry Pratt of Gun Owners of America, Angel Shamaya of KeepAndBearArms.com, and former NRA director Russ Howard. Other prominent opponents who were members of this anti-Exile coalition included Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, the Law Enforcement Alliance of America, Libertarian Party presidential candidate Harry Browne, and sci-fi writer L. Neil Smith.
From the left, Project Exile was condemned by Families Against Mandatory Minimums [1], and opposed by several members of the Congressional Black Caucus on the grounds that in targeting its enforcement at inner city communities such as in Richmond and Atlanta, and the disproportionate effects the federal gun laws' "prohibited possessor" categories have on African-Americans, Project Exile was racist. In testifying against the reliance on federal mandatory minimum sentences in general, U.S. Congressman Bobby Scott (D-VA) noted that Richmond had a smaller drop in crime during the period Exile was in effect than did Norfolk, which did not have Exile. [2]
