Liberals: The "RICH" keep more of there wealth, they are given nothing

[Charles_Main]

The rich keep getting richer, and the poor poorer.

Rather than taxation, regulation, and subsidation... perhaps we should try some more effective means to reach prosperity: Citizen Socialization of Industry, Money based on Gold and Silver, Formation of Voluntary Cooperatives.

Malcom if the rich are getting richer its not because the govt is taking there wealth. To make money it helps 99% to have it to start with
But why is it anyone cares about that? why the class war fare?
I have spent the last 20 years of my life working all over this country to make a living. I have worked on 40 different projects. And if the good lord will give me 15 more healthy years I will have some cash put back
Malcom you can do the same thing
I pick the right wife I am there now

Your wanting a even distribution of wealth system
Thats fine
with respect move to China

With all due respect, China is less Communist than America at this point.

I don't want an even distribution of wealth, nor do I want class wafare. It is not a "class war" for the poor and working-class to stand up for themselves, to strive for prosperity, to take control of their own economic future.

That's not class warfare, that's class unity.

How is asking for hand outs on the backs of people more prosperous than you equate to standing up for yourself and striving for property and control of their own economic Future?

 

[JRK]

Malcom if the rich are getting richer its not because the govt is taking there wealth. To make money it helps 99% to have it to start with
But why is it anyone cares about that? why the class war fare?
I have spent the last 20 years of my life working all over this country to make a living. I have worked on 40 different projects. And if the good lord will give me 15 more healthy years I will have some cash put back
Malcom you can do the same thing
I pick the right wife I am there now

Your wanting a even distribution of wealth system
Thats fine
with respect move to China

With all due respect, China is less Communist than America at this point.

I don't want an even distribution of wealth, nor do I want class wafare. It is not a "class war" for the poor and working-class to stand up for themselves, to strive for prosperity, to take control of their own economic future.

That's not class warfare, that's class unity.

How is asking for hand outs on the backs of people more prosperous than you equate to standing up for yourself and striving for property and control of their own economic Future?

It is really that simple
It amazes me that anyone would state that tax cuts only help the wealthy
The "wealthy" are the only ones paying taxes
They just keep more of the same money they have earned
and yes it helps to have it to start with
But thats no excuse not try and get there

 

[kiwiman127]

You understand that a free market provides opportunity to all. Let people trade among themselves and suddenly everyone is better off.

The left does not grasp this.

And exactly what is that opportunity for all?
To work for the same wages you made 30 years ago in Real Dollars while almost doubling your productivity just as the economy has almost doubled?

well If Obama would get out of the way along with the EPA etc... we would all have more opportunity
same wages huh?
I cannot keep up the spin here
I mean I did some DD on that the other day that said I needed 11.28 an hour to keep pace with a 3.00 an hour pay in 1977

I make 36 an hour and i made 3 an hour in 1977

I have posted this way too many times, but I'm 100% for "Main Street America".
Soo,,,,,

REAL WAGES
1964-2004
Average Weekly Earnings (in 1982 constant dollars)
For all private nonfarm workers
Year Real $ Change
1964 302.52
1965 310.46 2.62%
1966 312.83 0.76%
1967 311.30 -0.49%
1968 315.37 1.31%
1969 316.93 0.49%
1970 312.94 -1.26%
1971 318.05 1.63%
1972 331.59 4.26%
1973 331.39 -0.06%
1974 314.94 -4.96%
1975 305.16 -3.11%
1976 309.61 1.46%
1977 310.99 0.45%
1978 310.41 -0.19%
1979 298.87 -3.72%
1980 281.27 -5.89%
1981 277.35 -1.39%
1982 272.74 -1.66%
1983 277.50 1.75%
1984 279.22 0.62%
1985 276.23 -1.07%
1986 276.11 -0.04%
1987 272.88 -1.17%
1988 270.32 -0.94%
1989 267.27 -1.13%
1990 262.43 -1.81%
1991 258.34 -1.56%
1992 257.95 -0.15%
1993 258.12 0.07%
1994 259.97 0.72%
1995 258.43 -0.59%
1996 259.58 0.44%
1997 265.22 2.17%
1998 271.87 2.51%
1999 274.64 1.02%
2000 275.62 0.36%
2001 275.38 -0.09%
2002 278.91 1.28%
2003 279.94 0.37%
2004 277.57 -0.84%



Source: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

http://www.workinglife.org/wiki/Wages+and+Benefits:+Real+Wages+(1964-2004)

 

[Uncensored2008]

No, Kim Jong Il is one of the wealthy fleabags. That should be rather obvious.

What is it then, that attracts you to his economic ideas?

 

[Malcom X]

Malcom if the rich are getting richer its not because the govt is taking there wealth. To make money it helps 99% to have it to start with
But why is it anyone cares about that? why the class war fare?
I have spent the last 20 years of my life working all over this country to make a living. I have worked on 40 different projects. And if the good lord will give me 15 more healthy years I will have some cash put back
Malcom you can do the same thing
I pick the right wife I am there now

Your wanting a even distribution of wealth system
Thats fine
with respect move to China

With all due respect, China is less Communist than America at this point.

I don't want an even distribution of wealth, nor do I want class wafare. It is not a "class war" for the poor and working-class to stand up for themselves, to strive for prosperity, to take control of their own economic future.

That's not class warfare, that's class unity.

How is asking for hand outs on the backs of people more prosperous than you equate to standing up for yourself and striving for property and control of their own economic Future?

I don't believe in welfare. You are assuming things, once again based on that pathetically simplistic model called the left-right paradigm.

 

[Uncensored2008]

And exactly what is that opportunity for all?

To trade value in exchange for value.

To work for the same wages you made 30 years ago in Real Dollars while almost doubling your productivity just as the economy has almost doubled?

In what way have you doubled your productivity? What keeps you from trading your time to someone else who values your time more highly and will pay more for it?

 

[Gadawg73]

Tax rates changing from 39 cents per every dollar you earn changing to 35 cents per every dollar you earn is not the same as being give money Liberals
If I pay 78000 in income tax one year and 70 the next
thats insulting for anyone to claim that person was given anything

Do the wealthiest fleebags in the nation pay you to propagandize for them, or do you do it free of charge?

If I had his PO Box I would.
But not for propaganda. For the truth he is speaking,
Facts, they B a biatch.

 

[Gadawg73]

The higher the capital gains tax the less investment in capital you get. Less capital means fewer jobs.
Eliminate the capital gains tax and not only will there be a flood of capital coming in from the investment dollars in the market that are regularly invested in stocks, bonds and commodities but the big one is this: there are hundreds of billions of dollars tied up in trusts and estates and held offshore as corporate profits oversease that WOULD IMMEDIATELY BE INVESTED IN THE MARKETbecause the tax rate has gone down.
Low taxes means more jobs. High taxes means less investment means less jobs.
You get more of what YOU REWARD.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Tax rates changing from 39 cents per every dollar you earn changing to 35 cents per every dollar you earn is not the same as being give money Liberals
If I pay 78000 in income tax one year and 70 the next
thats insulting for anyone to claim that person was given anything

You're really quite stupid.

 

[Gadawg73]

Tax rates changing from 39 cents per every dollar you earn changing to 35 cents per every dollar you earn is not the same as being give money Liberals
If I pay 78000 in income tax one year and 70 the next
thats insulting for anyone to claim that person was given anything

You're really quite stupid.

Every penny I earn is my $$. If I am over taxed and pay $40K a year in taxes the 40K was MY MONEY.
If taxes are reduced and I pay 30K the next year the 30K was MY MONEY.
The 10K that I didnt't have to pay from lower tax rates WAS EARNED BY ME AND IS MY MONEY AND ALWAYS MY MONEY.
Government produces nothing and gives nothing. Every penny the government passes on to anyone was taken at the point of a gun from a producer and given to someone that never worked for it.
No money is ever the government's $$$.

 

[kiwiman127]

The higher the capital gains tax the less investment in capital you get. Less capital means fewer jobs.
Eliminate the capital gains tax and not only will there be a flood of capital coming in from the investment dollars in the market that are regularly invested in stocks, bonds and commodities but the big one is this: there are hundreds of billions of dollars tied up in trusts and estates and held offshore as corporate profits oversease that WOULD IMMEDIATELY BE INVESTED IN THE MARKETbecause the tax rate has gone down.
Low taxes means more jobs. High taxes means less investment means less jobs.
You get more of what YOU REWARD.

Capital gains was reduced to 15% in 2004 and please note the less than spectacular results. Here's a link to all that job growth.

File:US Labor Participation Rate.gif - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[kiwiman127]

And exactly what is that opportunity for all?

To trade value in exchange for value.

To work for the same wages you made 30 years ago in Real Dollars while almost doubling your productivity just as the economy has almost doubled?

In what way have you doubled your productivity? What keeps you from trading your time to someone else who values your time more highly and will pay more for it?

You have no idea what I'm posting about, do you? It's clear you have no knowledge what worker productivity is and how it translates into growth of the economy.
Worker Productivity is the key to an organization’s success. What is worker productivity?
Well go right here: What is Worker Productivity?

The 86% growth I posted, is for the entire workerforce in America. You need to educate yourself before you spew right wing talking points that make absolutely no sense at all.

 

[JRK]

Tax rates changing from 39 cents per every dollar you earn changing to 35 cents per every dollar you earn is not the same as being give money Liberals
If I pay 78000 in income tax one year and 70 the next
thats insulting for anyone to claim that person was given anything

You're really quite stupid.

You know I surfed for years all along the east coast
stupid?
you call a person stupid you know nothing about, I bet your family is proud of you

 

[JRK]

Tax rates changing from 39 cents per every dollar you earn changing to 35 cents per every dollar you earn is not the same as being give money Liberals
If I pay 78000 in income tax one year and 70 the next
thats insulting for anyone to claim that person was given anything

You're really quite stupid.

Every penny I earn is my $$. If I am over taxed and pay $40K a year in taxes the 40K was MY MONEY.
If taxes are reduced and I pay 30K the next year the 30K was MY MONEY.
The 10K that I didnt't have to pay from lower tax rates WAS EARNED BY ME AND IS MY MONEY AND ALWAYS MY MONEY.
Government produces nothing and gives nothing. Every penny the government passes on to anyone was taken at the point of a gun from a producer and given to someone that never worked for it.
No money is ever the government's $$$.

and the rocket scientist calls this stupid above
its that simple

 

[JRK]

And exactly what is that opportunity for all?

To trade value in exchange for value.

To work for the same wages you made 30 years ago in Real Dollars while almost doubling your productivity just as the economy has almost doubled?

In what way have you doubled your productivity? What keeps you from trading your time to someone else who values your time more highly and will pay more for it?

You have no idea what I'm posting about, do you? It's clear you have no knowledge what worker productivity is and how it translates into growth of the economy.
Worker Productivity is the key to an organization’s success. What is worker productivity?
Well go right here: What is Worker Productivity?

The 86% growth I posted, is for the entire workerforce in America. You need to educate yourself before you spew right wing talking points that make absolutely no sense at all.

worker productivity simply means if I am given $1.00 for ever widget my worker makes and it takes 70 widgets an hour to break even and my worker makes 50 an hour I will lose my company and Obama will use tax payers wealth without asking and give my company to the United widget workers

 

[Gadawg73]

The higher the capital gains tax the less investment in capital you get. Less capital means fewer jobs.
Eliminate the capital gains tax and not only will there be a flood of capital coming in from the investment dollars in the market that are regularly invested in stocks, bonds and commodities but the big one is this: there are hundreds of billions of dollars tied up in trusts and estates and held offshore as corporate profits oversease that WOULD IMMEDIATELY BE INVESTED IN THE MARKETbecause the tax rate has gone down.
Low taxes means more jobs. High taxes means less investment means less jobs.
You get more of what YOU REWARD.

Capital gains was reduced to 15% in 2004 and please note the less than spectacular results. Here's a link to all that job growth.

File:US Labor Participation Rate.gif - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So your point is the higher the tax the more people invest their capital?
The lower return they get the more they put more of their investment $$ there?
And it was the lowering of capital gains tax that caused jobs to fall?

 

[JRK]

The higher the capital gains tax the less investment in capital you get. Less capital means fewer jobs.
Eliminate the capital gains tax and not only will there be a flood of capital coming in from the investment dollars in the market that are regularly invested in stocks, bonds and commodities but the big one is this: there are hundreds of billions of dollars tied up in trusts and estates and held offshore as corporate profits oversease that WOULD IMMEDIATELY BE INVESTED IN THE MARKETbecause the tax rate has gone down.
Low taxes means more jobs. High taxes means less investment means less jobs.
You get more of what YOU REWARD.

Capital gains was reduced to 15% in 2004 and please note the less than spectacular results. Here's a link to all that job growth.

File:US Labor Participation Rate.gif - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So your point is the higher the tax the more people invest their capital?
The lower return they get the more they put more of their investment $$ there?
And it was the lowering of capital gains tax that caused jobs to fall?

Job growth 2004?
How many jobs was lost to Katrina and the 5 other major hurricanes in 2005?
2006?
And as far as net job growth goes from 2003-2005 we gained all most 5 million jobs


Comparison of All Employees, SEASONAllY ADJUSTED, before and after the March 2010 Benchmark 1


00000000 Total Nonfarm All Employees (in thousands), SEASONAllY ADJUSTED

As revised (BM2010)
YEAR JAN FEB MAR APR MAY JUN JUL AUG SEP OCT NOV DEC
2001 132469 132530 132500 132219 132175 132047 131922 131762 131518 131193 130901 130723
2002 130591 130444 130420 130335 130328 130373 130276 130260 130205 130331 130339 130183
2003 130266 130108 129896 129847 129841 129839 129864 129822 129925 130128 130146 130270
2004 130420 130463 130801 131051 131361 131442 131489 131610 131770 132121 132185 132317
2005 132453 132693 132835 133195 133364 133610 133979 134174 134237 134321 134655 134813
2006 135094 135411 135698 135880 135891 135971 136173 136358 136514 136506 136711 136891
2007 137094 137182 137400 137479 137620 137687 137638 137612 137681 137772 137899 137983
2008 137996 137913 137841 137656 137423 137245 137014 136747 136313 135804 135002 134383
2009 133563 132837 132041 131381 130995 130493 130193 129962 129726 129505 129450 129320
2010 129281 129246 129438 129715 130173 129981 129932 129873 129844 130015 130108 130229 p

 

[Gadawg73]

Bottom line on capital gains for anyone that knows investment:
The LOWER the tax rate the MORE capital that is put into the economy.
It takes CAPITAL to start up or expand any business.
Starting and expanding business always MEANS JOBS.

 

[JRK]

Bottom line on capital gains for anyone that knows investment:
The LOWER the tax rate the MORE capital that is put into the economy.
It takes CAPITAL to start up or expand any business.
Starting and expanding business always MEANS JOBS.

Those numbers above prove that out
2004-2006 look at the job growth

 

[Oddball]

Tax rates changing from 39 cents per every dollar you earn changing to 35 cents per every dollar you earn is not the same as being give money Liberals
If I pay 78000 in income tax one year and 70 the next
thats insulting for anyone to claim that person was given anything

You're really quite stupid.

Nice idjitgram....Vermin.

Just another in a long train of examples of how liberoidal douchenozzles like you refuse to play by the same rules you demand everyone else adhere to.