Listen to the exact words in the exact books Democrats want in our public school libraries

[MinTrut]

I have not personally visited every elementary school library. Parent groups are complaining about the content of libraries in their children's school. So, go by that.

Okay - you know I have respect for your thoughtfulness.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say few if any K-6s have this book.

If they do, they shouldn't.

 

[MinTrut]

Always happy to have a civil debate.

That's a stretch, even for a progressive. No pun intended, BTW.

A book about a guy who dates another guy without the explicit sexual description would serve that purpose just as well. When I was in High School, there were books in the library that had teenage opposite sex couples dating. There was no description of lubing up, or pain turning into pleasure during insertion.

If a child truly "needs" to read explicit material about gay sex, I'm sure the internet is chock full of it. I hope you aren't trying to convince me that only school provided explicit gay sex material has this suicide-preventing power.

This extortionate "suicidal" argument that is so frequently brought up to justify sexualization of children is invalid. It is tragic when gender specialists use it to frighten parents into giving their children life-changing treatments that are very lucrative for the medical providers.

People are suicidal because they have one or more mental disorders, most often depression, and often autism spectrum disorder. Both are frequently co-morbid with Gender Dysphoria, yet we are expected to believe (with no evidence) that childhood transitioning will prevent suicide.

Or as the gender specialists put it, "you can either have a live daughter or a dead son."



Yes, and many fathers may also be remiss in teaching their children religion. Doesn't mean the school should step in and indoctrinate them.

I know there is a picture of McConnell on that video's thumbnail, but I did not see him talking in the video about history or anything else. That is MSNBC making claims about what Republicans believe.

People can disagree about how to teach history without one side or the other not wanting to teach history at all, or wanting to "limit" it.

If I'm a parent of any color, I don't want lessons about slavery taught in a way that pushes a theory of universal white guilt, any more than I want it to be taught that slavery was good for black people. Both would be falsehoods intended to further agendas, not lessons about history.

I don't want the Holocaust taught in a way that paints all Germans as evil. I was stationed in Germany twice and got to know many very good and decent German people.

Good and decent people can be and have been caught up in evil and excused it, or gone along with it, or stayed silent about it. So, it can be perpetuated, though future historians will be shocked that it was not stopped.

That is the important lesson for both slavery and the Holocaust. That is probably the most important concept that any history lesson should teach, especially to children.

The explicit passage in Lawn Boy precedes a much longer passage about the aftermath.

The explicit passage is less than 0.3% of the book's excellent content.

The book is quite good, though not appropriate for under 12s.

 

[MinTrut]

It's only homophobic if I cared what gay people preferred to do...."taking it up the ass" is a totally accurate description of what takes place during male gay sex.

In any case, I would question why it is you feel it is incumbent on you to educate MY children on the subject? Especially if they don't exhibit any interest in this kind of proclivity....

This is where liberals like yourself are way out of your lane....

It's a book.

It's in the library.

It has a VERY select audience, and that audience will self-educate.

No one is educating YOUR children about anything.

They may or may not seek out this self-education.

And it may save their lives.

 

[MinTrut]

Ok, and that is fine, since it was YOUR call on when to have that conversation, as well as the subject matter you chose to discuss with her....Nothing wrong with that.

But, when you tell me that this decision making is stripped away from the parent, and put in place of the schools without consultation with the parents involved, that is wrong....And, further, has the possibility of causing more harm than good.

Nothing's being "stripped."

It's a book in a library that a very select audience may seek out.

That's it.

 

[MinTrut]

I'll just take that to mean "no."

You'd be an idiot if you did, as numerous examples/links have been provided.

But you do you!

 

[MinTrut]

My issue with the books about sex as they are now being placed in libraries is that ten years ago, feminists would have been outraged by a book about a young girl submitting to anal sex and accepting the pain and learning to enjoy it. Somehow because it is two males, it's homophobic to object?

You need to read the book you want to ban, as you're grossly mischaracterizing it from your ignorance.

Maybe your two education degrees will help you understand it...?

Common sense has gone out of the window.

So it would seem.

Read the book, and THEN insist it be banned because gay.

 

[MinTrut]

Refreshing to be able to disagree on USMB without rancor.

There is no doubt that LGBT-Q kids and adults are at greater risk for negative emotional and psychological outcomes. In fact, in order to take homosexuality off of the list of mental disorders, the APA had to change the definition to no longer include increased suicide rates caused by the condition.

There is an assumption that lack of acceptance of LBGT-Q folk, including discrimination, bullying and hate crimes contribute to that higher suicide rate. As far as I know, there are no studies that show that the suicide rate among the LBGT-Q community is less in areas where it is accepted. There are many studies that show that depression is more common among those folks and especially among people with Gender Dysphoria, which is still in the DSM-V.

However, it makes sense that anti-LGBT-Q sentiment could contribute to suicides, especially by young people not accepted by their families. Which is why it is so horrifying that LGBT-Q activists are bringing so much negative attention to themselves by insisting on medicalizing and surgicalizing the condition of Gender Dysphoria in children.

If there really are a large number of children with true Gender Dysphoria, instead of just being temporarily confused, that should be a great opportunity to teach them self-acceptance at a young age. What is now called "Gender Affirmation" is the polar opposite of self-acceptance. It is the affirmation of the child's highly negative body image, by parents and professionals that will solidify that image permanently.

Completely beyond the scope of the thread.

Lawn Boy and the Bible are not appropriate books for under 12 access in school libraries.

That's pretty much it.

 

[alang1216]

All this is recent. Assuming that there were homosexual teens 50 years ago, they did not commit suicide. Child suicide was rare. In all my years in school and as many schools as I went to, I never heard of one. Now it's epidemic.

I could find no data to support that.

 

[j-mac]

So you want the Bible banned?

My take is that neither the Bible nor Lawn Boy are proper reading for under 12s.

comparing the Bible to this trash is ridiculous….and you know it.

 

[j-mac]

Howzabout we make the Bible and Lawn Boy off limits for under 12s in school liberries?

Deal?

Reference me the passages that are as graphic as the one in gender queer…Elementary schools I would imagine have versions of children’s Bible stories…so use that version.

 

[j-mac]

It's a book.

It's in the library.

It has a VERY select audience, and that audience will self-educate.

No one is educating YOUR children about anything.

They may or may not seek out this self-education.

And it may save their lives.

Oh no, that’s not true….One argument in here talks about having gay sex introduced in sex Ed along side with the regular sex Ed …

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Are you crazy? What would make you twist yourself into a pretzel on this topic, other than your own perverted thought process on the matter?

They can't just say, "THIS ISNT APPROPRIATE IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS"

Am I wrong? But I think if I were to try to give these books to a neighbor child, I'd expect to be ARRESTED

 

[Carl in Michigan]

What is "Lawn Boy"? Never heard of it

As for the Bible, it simply doesnt compare despite this queers effort to deflect

 

[Lisa558]

The explicit passage in Lawn Boy precedes a much longer passage about the aftermath.

The explicit passage is less than 0.3% of the book's excellent content.

The book is quite good, though not appropriate for under 12s.

It shouldn’t be available in any school, including high school. Why have teens read this sick stuff when the majority can’t pass a basic math or English proficiency test?

 

[HeyNorm]

Lawn Boy isn't child pornography.

It doesn't contain child pornography.

But the Bible - that is one VERY disturbing book.

Never read it. Got a quote from it “but the Bible” boy

 

[HeyNorm]

So you want the Bible banned?

My take is that neither the Bible nor Lawn Boy are proper reading for under 12s.

But you only fight for one?

Odd, but so are you. So that makes sense.

 

[HeyNorm]

Y'all are insanely homophobic, yes.

What child porn?

As disturbing as the Bible is, it's not child porn.

Nor is Lawn Boy.

Neither is appropriate for under 12s.

That I support free speech but don't want under 12s traumatized by books like the Bible?

Guilty as charged!

Not scared of homosexuals in the least bit.

 

[HeyNorm]

^ Lunatic homophobic fantasy.

^ lunatic child porn pusher.

 

[postman]

What is "Lawn Boy"? Never heard of it

As for the Bible, it simply doesnt compare despite this queers effort to deflect

How about teaching non-consensual incest?

And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father. – Bible : Genesis (19) : 33 – 36.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Yes, anything that tells adolescents that it's OK to be gay, must be removed from the shelves. Children must NEVER learn that homosexuality is normal for a small subset of people. It might give them ideas that they're not crazy, or going to hell forever.

Author of 'Gender Queer,' one of most-banned books in U.S., addresses controversy

“There are people for whom this is vital and for whom this could maybe even be lifesaving,” Maia Kobabe said.

www.nbcnews.com

Amazon product ASIN 1549304003

How a Debut Graphic Memoir Became the Most Banned Book in the Country (Published 2022)

Maia Kobabe’s book “Gender Queer,” about coming out as nonbinary, landed the author at the center of a battle over which books belong in schools, and who gets to make that decision.

www.nytimes.com

The book bannings aren't protecting children from pornography. They're keeping them from learning that being gay isn't wrong.

At this point, I'd like to post some of the pictures from the graphic novel "Gender Queer" that your link claims will change lives. I'd like to ask, "Dragonlady, you really think that this is appropriate for school children?"

But I cannot, for fear of being suspended or banned from USMB for posting pictures of children graphically having oral sex, both with other children and with adult men.

If you want to teach children that being gay isn't wrong, that could better be done in print form, and presented as opinion, not as a hidden message in a comic book.

In fact, that might be a very good lesson in rhetoric, if two different selections were presented, one arguing that gay being gay isn't wrong and one arguing that it is wrong. By rhetoric, I mean:

That is something that used to be taught in public schools, before they became indoctrination centers in which only one opinion on any given topic is allowed.