Little Sympathy for California Fire Victims

[bodecea]

Drenching a home with water just won't work with these kinds of fires. Some people have survived by taking refuge in their pools. Others have taken refuge in pools and after the fire passes the bodies are found in the dry pools completely burned. The fire completely dried up the pools. These fires make their own weather and that weather normally takes the form of fire tornadoes. Water is not used on these fires. The fire fighting planes do not drop water. They drop pink fire suppression foam. The fire and wind simply dehydrates the water away. Drench the walls and the water will be sucked out and dried up in the upward force of the superheated air forcing up. The planes dropping water do it on the leading edge of the fire to stop or slow the spread as part of containment and dropped on hot spots in places the fire has burned. So stop with the pipe dream nonsense. Water on homes in these kind of fires would cause a steam explosion before it prevented a spark.

Now Now...that poster knows everything about California fires........

 

[Kentucky_Conservative]

Drenching a home with water just won't work with these kinds of fires.

Bullshit.

Some people have survived by taking refuge in their pools. Others have taken refuge in pools and after the fire passes the bodies are found in the dry pools completely burned. The fire completely dried up the pools.

DOUBLE BULLSHIT! Do you pull this stuff out of your stinking rectum?

These fires make their own weather and that weather normally takes the form of fire tornadoes. Water is not used on these fires. The fire fighting planes do not drop water. They drop pink fire suppression foam. The fire and wind simply dehydrates the water away.

and none of that has anything to do with my suggestion for saving a home from igniting.

Drench the walls and the water will be sucked out and dried up in the upward force of the superheated air forcing up.

I did not say SATURATE the walls with water. I said DRENCH. INUNDATE. Christ, some people are so damned STUPID!

The planes dropping water do it on the leading edge of the fire to stop or slow the spread as part of containment and dropped on hot spots in places the fire has burned. So stop with the pipe dream nonsense. Water on homes in these kind of fires would cause a steam explosion before it prevented a spark.

Your presumptions are just idiotic. A continuous flow of water over a COLD HOME will not cause a steam explosion. Twit.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Drenching a home with water just won't work with these kinds of fires.

Bullshit.

Some people have survived by taking refuge in their pools. Others have taken refuge in pools and after the fire passes the bodies are found in the dry pools completely burned. The fire completely dried up the pools./QUOTE]

DOUBLE BULLSHIT! Do you pull this stuff out of your stinking rectum?

These fires make their own weather and that weather normally takes the form of fire tornadoes. Water is not used on these fires. The fire fighting planes do not drop water. They drop pink fire suppression foam. The fire and wind simply dehydrates the water away.

and none of that has to do with my suggestion for saving a home from igniting.

Drench the walls and the water will be sucked out and dried up in the upward force of the superheated air forcing up.

I did not say SATURATE the walls with water. I said DRENCH. INUNDATE. Christ, some people are so damned STUPID!

The planes dropping water do it on the leading edge of the fire to stop or slow the spread as part of containment and dropped on hot spots in places the fire has burned. So stop with the pipe dream nonsense. Water on homes in these kind of fires would cause a steam explosion before it prevented a spark.

Your presumptions are just silly. Water on a COLD HOME will not cause a steam explosion. Twit.

Boy didn't that strike a nerve and prove how right I really am.

Water on a cold home soaks the walls. Soaks the framing. A superheated fire with 80 mile an hour wind cold home go boom. Take the average friendly camp fire and throw in wet wood. Snap, crackle, pop as the water expands and turns to steam. Embers go flying. The wet wood still catches and burns. Please quit while you are ahead. You have never seen fires like this. When I want tornado advice I'll call you.

 

[Kentucky_Conservative]

That’s really, really stupid.

Has it been tried? No? THAT is really, really stupid!

I’m an engineer. No one tried because it’s really stupid.
The heat alone will melt that tubings that you are talking about.

Oh? STEEL pipes will melt? Really? So 1" black steel pipes with water running through them will melt in a brush fire. Is THAT what you are telling us, engineer? Because I can boil water in a PAPER CUP. Engineer, my ass.

 

[NotYourBody]

The value is in the land. Postcard views everywhere. The polar opposite of Kensucky

Ever been to Kentucky? Every state has a postcard view. And most don't have shit in their streets.

Well going by the price of real estate, Kentucky doesn't appear all that desirable. Probably due to the poison air and water.

 

[Kentucky_Conservative]

Boy didn't that strike a nerve and prove how right I really am.

No, you are not right. You are just arrogant and egotistical.

Water on a cold home soaks the walls. Soaks the framing.

REALLY? So when it RAINS on your home (cold water applied to the exterior of your home) , the framing inside of the walls becomes soaked? The drywall becomes soft and wet? The insulation is now soaked and MOLD is now a concern? The beading water runs out into your living room beneath the baseboards? Are you trying to pass off that bullshit as fact?

A superheated fire with 80 mile an hour wind cold home go boom.

You are so full of crap you should change your name to BANDINI.

Take the average friendly camp fire and throw in wet wood. Snap, crackle, pop as the water expands and turns to steam. Embers go flying. The wet wood still catches and burns. Please quit while you are ahead. You have never seen fires like this. When I want tornado advice I'll call you.

You are comparing tossing wet wood into a campfire to a brushfire burning past a home that is COATED with a wall of water?

Quit while YOU are ahead. You are talking out of your ass.

 

[Kentucky_Conservative]

Brain dead liberals bring out the worst in me.

 

[OnePercenter]

I have a co-working who told me a story about his friend's younger brother that is borderline extremely wealthy and built his dream home in an area stuck by wildfires in Ventura County. Fortunately he had installed a fire suppression system that was like almost $100K. This system made foam that covered the house and his house was saved. Unfortunately almost all other homes and businesses burned to the ground and today it still looks like a war zone. His property value has plummeted, and his wife refused to live there because there is literally nothing there.

It was just a bad place to build his home, and now he knows it.

Fortunately he had installed a fire suppression system that was like almost $100K.

He seemed to have known it then.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Boy didn't that strike a nerve and prove how right I really am.

No, you are not right. You are just arrogant and egotistical.

Water on a cold home soaks the walls. Soaks the framing.

REALLY? So when it RAINS on your home (cold water applied to the exterior of your home) , the framing inside of the walls becomes soaked? The drywall becomes soft and wet? The insulation is now soaked and MOLD is now a concern? The beading water runs out into your living room beneath the baseboards? Are you trying to pass off that bullshit as fact?

A superheated fire with 80 mile an hour wind cold home go boom.

You are so full of crap you should change your name to BANDINI.

Take the average friendly camp fire and throw in wet wood. Snap, crackle, pop as the water expands and turns to steam. Embers go flying. The wet wood still catches and burns. Please quit while you are ahead. You have never seen fires like this. When I want tornado advice I'll call you.

You are comparing tossing wet wood into a campfire to a brushfire burning past a home that is COATED with a wall of water?

Quit while YOU are ahead. You are talking out of your ass.

Every person here knows what a dipshit you are which is why every one is giggling at you and no one thinks you make an ounce of sense. No one. Not one person. Especially those who know about fires.

Go wallow in your amusing ignorance.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

I have a co-working who told me a story about his friend's younger brother that is borderline extremely wealthy and built his dream home in an area stuck by wildfires in Ventura County. Fortunately he had installed a fire suppression system that was like almost $100K. This system made foam that covered the house and his house was saved. Unfortunately almost all other homes and businesses burned to the ground and today it still looks like a war zone. His property value has plummeted, and his wife refused to live there because there is literally nothing there.

It was just a bad place to build his home, and now he knows it.

Fortunately he had installed a fire suppression system that was like almost $100K.

He seemed to have known it then.

Yeah. The foam works. Water not so much.

 

[bodecea]

I’m impressed how brilliant and experience you are about fire and catastrophic disaster.

Thank you.

Month of September 2019. North Texas was hit with 10 tornadoes. This is like saying......... Those stupid Texans should have built their houses stronger.
Does that make sense to you?

Yes, absolutely. If I were to build a home in an an area that is prone to strong tornadoes, I would build a home than can HANDLE strong tornadoes. A welded steel frame, made with I-beams, not some wimpy wooden toothpick structure held together with Chinese nails. I would make the roof and the walls and the windows capable of dealing with the tornadoes that are sure to arrive.

If I were to build a home in a flood zone, I would find out the highest possible water level, and build my floor ten feet ABOVE that mark. In Utah, a lot of expensive homes were built in a community called "RIVER BED." They actually built an entire community on a dry river bed! Oh, but the river hasn't flowed for nearly a hundred years! Really? When was the last flood? Oh ... about a hundred years ago. But go ahead and build your homes. This is a 100 year FLOOD ZONE! Now they're all gone. Stupid is as stupid does.

The Santa Ana wind is like a storm of strong winds at 70 to 80 miles an hour. With that force plus the heat. So tell me. What kind of water system if you have a swimming pool do you proposed?

A simple system that sucks water from the pool, INUNDATES the home with water while it it risk of ignition from heat, flames and embers, and the water is then returned to the pool via a channel system built into the foundation and passed through a debris filter to be used again.

Do you know how a water fountain works? Make the same system, just a lot BIGGER.

You really don't know anything about extreme weather, do you? No house can handle a direct hit from a tornado. period.

 

[Kentucky_Conservative]

Unless you have been in such a fire, fleeing for your life and losing all you have, I guess sympathy will always be beyond you.

you want sympathy?

Tell me you did everything possible in advance to PREPARE for a fire that might attack your home. Tell me that you invested in interior and exterior fire prevention equipment and systems. Tell me that you didn't build your home in an area KNOWN for raging fires. Tell me you built your home out of the more expensive fire proof or fire resistant materials that will not immediately ignite with a hot breeze and a lick of a flame. Tell me you had a PLAN to gather and quickly remove valuables from your home. Tell me you did everything in your power to minimize loss in the event of a fire, and despite all of your preparations and precautions, the fire still took your home, and THEN I will give you sympathy.

"Oh We had no warning!"

In order for you to lose your home to a fire that quickly WITHOUT ANY WARNING, the gas station directly behind your home would have to had blown up, or the military must have dropped a bomb at your back door. Because any fire that can consume your home that quickly had a good head start, and you just ignored the warnings.

 

[bodecea]

The only reason I have little sympathy for these whackjobs is THEY passed these stupid fucking laws not allowing power companies to cut the branches away from the power lines that start these fires.

You reap the stupidity you sew.

Well now...that's a lie.

 

[OnePercenter]

Unless you have been in such a fire, fleeing for your life and losing all you have, I guess sympathy will always be beyond you.

No...because I have fire insurance...if those assholes were all smart...they would too.

Fire insurance means squat if the whole town burns. Insurance companies declare bankruptcy. It happened in Paradise. Many got NOTHING because there wasn't enough to give. Unless you want to dictate which insurance companies they should buy?
I feel badly for those suffering this fire. Place the blame where it belongs..ON PG&E.

Insurance companies rely on the Fed bailing these poor folks out. My home owners insurance covers everything but fire, and I live in an area very prone to wild fires. I'd prefer an earthquake knock my place down, or the creek flood, than a wildfire sweep the place. I'd be one of those people pumping water through garden hoses, hoping the generator survives to drive the pump and keep the well going. I had a volunteer fireman tell me that having a well was the best thing I could have, living off-grid and in the woods they way I do. Hell, I'd herd the animals into the house and keep it hosed down. I'd deal with the mess later to save as much as I could.

You can buy a fire-only policy.

 

[Kentucky_Conservative]

Every person here knows what a dipshit you are which is why every one is giggling at you and no one thinks you make an ounce of sense. No one. Not one person. Especially those who know about fires.

Go wallow in your amusing ignorance.

Typical liberal thinks it speaks for everyone.

 

[charwin95]

That’s really, really stupid.

Has it been tried? No? THAT is really, really stupid!

I’m an engineer. No one tried because it’s really stupid.
The heat alone will melt that tubings that you are talking about.

Then use better tubing.

Oh my god. Why didn’t I think of that?

 

[OnePercenter]

The only reason I have little sympathy for these whackjobs is THEY passed these stupid fucking laws not allowing power companies to cut the branches away from the power lines that start these fires.

You reap the stupidity you sew.

Lie!!

SoCal Edison Is Cutting Your Trees And There's Not Much You Can Do About It

 

[OnePercenter]

The only reason I have little sympathy for these whackjobs is THEY passed these stupid fucking laws not allowing power companies to cut the branches away from the power lines that start these fires.

You reap the stupidity you sew.

You are lying. Prove it.

PG&E Lost Longtime Tree-Trimming Contractor as Scrutiny on Utility Mounted Over Wildfires

This is happening all over the state:

Mill Valley poised to adopt aggressive tree-removal rules, over objections

They are finally letting them trim these trees over objections of the radical leftwing whackjobs.

Asplundh wanted more money.

 

[NotYourBody]

I'm sorry, but if I was ever going to build a ($x??) million dollar home in the hills of California, I THINK I would spend another ten or twenty thousand or so on preventative measures against brush fires.

These fires are an annual event, and not at all surprising. What IS surprising, is how little the homeowners have done to prevent their homes from burning to the ground.

I see these lots along the sculpted streets of SoCal, and all of the homes are burned to the ground. In the back yards of these homes are reflection pools, HUGE swimming pools full of water, that reain after the fires burn out. They build the expensive homes, and the beautiful reflection pools, but they NEVER think ahead, to plumb in a sprinkler system that can DRENCH the home with pool water at the moment the fire wall approaches and burns past the house.

It boggles my mind, to think that any architect would design a home with a 50,000 gallon pool in the yard, and NOT have some way to use that water to fight a fire. We are only talking about a $500.00 Honda gas powered water pump and some steel piping, after all.

Does this make ANY sense?

mother nature used to clear out the underbrush with occassional fires, but CA will not allow the underbrush to be cleared and the underbrush accumulates

If we just had more brooms and vacuums like Finland.

 

[charwin95]

Did you even watch how these fire fighters use their hose to fight the fires?

Very strong and powerful system. They point it to one particular spot but the fires still raging on because of the strong Santa Ana wind.
You tell a system of your proposal will make any difference?

Absolutely! You see, the fire rages on, because the FUEL is already ignited. They are trying to EXTINGUISH a fire. I am talking about not allowing the materials that constitute the exterior of the home to ignite in the first place. A home CANNOT burn down, if no part of the home is ignited.

Read my post. Don’t stare at it. The heat alone will melt your tubings.

I can buy "tubing" that will handle 1000+ degrees at the hardware store. Hell, the pipes in my old house are good to twice that.

You are missing something.

If you remove the strong winds at 85+ mph and the heat from the equations that might work.

So you have this sprinkler running on top of your roof. With the strong Santa Ana winds and the heat. At least minimum of 125°. And the directions of the strong winds?
How long is that water going to sticks to your roof?

In Palm Spring it gets very hot during summer 104° to 108°. I sprayed water all over it dried up in seconds. That is without the strong hot winds.