Mr. H.
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^not appropriate for a low skilled job. $10 an hour should be enough.
Why isn't $8/hr enough for a low skilled job?
This will be fun. You don't have the slightest idea why $8/hr is too little or 50/hr too much. It just sounds like a good number to you, so you throw it out there. This is why we say libs can't think or reason.
Let's add to the fun.
Do you think $10/hr is enough in Dubuque IA, with a low cost of living, as well as in Los Angeles, with a high cost of living?
How about a minimum wage adjusted for type of work and cost of living for that area?
Or <gasp>, how about we let nature take its course and keep the idiots in g'mint butt out? Everything out of whack right now is directly as a result of g'mint meddling.
Used to be that people didn't start a family until they were able to support one. Minimum wage isn't supposed to be a living wage, it's supposed to be a beginning wage while you acquire skills that make you worth more money in the job market. I remember those days, you had to live at home or buddy up with a roommate. I had to ride the bus for years cuz I couldn't afford a car. Wasn't easy, but I managed to survive.
Used to be that people didn't start a family until they were able to support one. Minimum wage isn't supposed to be a living wage, it's supposed to be a beginning wage while you acquire skills that make you worth more money in the job market. I remember those days, you had to live at home or buddy up with a roommate. I had to ride the bus for years cuz I couldn't afford a car. Wasn't easy, but I managed to survive.
Adding the extra 11 years will bump the number up significantly, roughly 60%
Yeah, so the notion of someone supporting his family on min wage is erroneous. The people earning it are people trying to get a leg up in the workforce. Even more interesting is that few people make min wage for very long. They get raises as soon as they've proven themselves.
So it would make sense to lower--eliminate even, the min wage to allow more people to start up the job ladder.
I don't subscribe to the notion that lowering/elminating the min. wage would be good for the economy. It would cause too much panic in the public. However, I'm not in favor of any raises to the min wage. Ever.
Adding the extra 11 years will bump the number up significantly, roughly 60%
Yeah, so the notion of someone supporting his family on min wage is erroneous. The people earning it are people trying to get a leg up in the workforce. Even more interesting is that few people make min wage for very long. They get raises as soon as they've proven themselves.
So it would make sense to lower--eliminate even, the min wage to allow more people to start up the job ladder.
You ever had a minimum wage job?
^not appropriate for a low skilled job. $10 an hour should be enough.
Why isn't $8/hr enough for a low skilled job?
This will be fun. You don't have the slightest idea why $8/hr is too little or 50/hr too much. It just sounds like a good number to you, so you throw it out there. This is why we say libs can't think or reason.
Let's add to the fun.
Do you think $10/hr is enough in Dubuque IA, with a low cost of living, as well as in Los Angeles, with a high cost of living?
Across the board, minimum wage should be set at the same amount. It can be up to the employer whether they pay more. But no one should be working full time and taking home three hundred bucks a week. That is fucking stupid.
Yeah, so the notion of someone supporting his family on min wage is erroneous. The people earning it are people trying to get a leg up in the workforce. Even more interesting is that few people make min wage for very long. They get raises as soon as they've proven themselves.
So it would make sense to lower--eliminate even, the min wage to allow more people to start up the job ladder.
I don't subscribe to the notion that lowering/elminating the min. wage would be good for the economy. It would cause too much panic in the public. However, I'm not in favor of any raises to the min wage. Ever.
How would it cause panic? People startled at all the new available jobs? They'd actually have to work instead of sitting around scratching the dicks?
Your positions are contradictory. If you never raise the min wage then effectively it is lowered due to inflation.
Both people I asked about working minimum wage answered. What I wanted to know is if this question was something you were evaluating from a logical perspective or from being in the shoes of the those in question.
I can't say off the top of my head but I would like to think that minimum wage legislation would have been so that families could survive off that amount rather than just making sure mall employees could afford designer shoes at the end of the week.
Both people I asked about working minimum wage answered. What I wanted to know is if this question was something you were evaluating from a logical perspective or from being in the shoes of the those in question.
I can't say off the top of my head but I would like to think that minimum wage legislation would have been so that families could survive off that amount rather than just making sure mall employees could afford designer shoes at the end of the week.
No. Min wage was a sop to the unions, who have been its most enthusiastic supporters. It raises wages so the differential between union wage and non union doesnt look so bad.
Both people I asked about working minimum wage answered. What I wanted to know is if this question was something you were evaluating from a logical perspective or from being in the shoes of the those in question.
I can't say off the top of my head but I would like to think that minimum wage legislation would have been so that families could survive off that amount rather than just making sure mall employees could afford designer shoes at the end of the week.
No. Min wage was a sop to the unions, who have been its most enthusiastic supporters. It raises wages so the differential between union wage and non union doesnt look so bad.
You have any link or any reference or any source whatsoever that backs that up?
^not appropriate for a low skilled job. $10 an hour should be enough.
Why isn't $8/hr enough for a low skilled job?
This will be fun. You don't have the slightest idea why $8/hr is too little or 50/hr too much. It just sounds like a good number to you, so you throw it out there. This is why we say libs can't think or reason.
Let's add to the fun.
Do you think $10/hr is enough in Dubuque IA, with a low cost of living, as well as in Los Angeles, with a high cost of living?
Across the board, minimum wage should be set at the same amount. It can be up to the employer whether they pay more. But no one should be working full time and taking home three hundred bucks a week. That is fucking stupid.
Used to be that people didn't start a family until they were able to support one. Minimum wage isn't supposed to be a living wage, it's supposed to be a beginning wage while you acquire skills that make you worth more money in the job market. I remember those days, you had to live at home or buddy up with a roommate. I had to ride the bus for years cuz I couldn't afford a car. Wasn't easy, but I managed to survive.
Recession Big Factor as Birthrate Falls - WSJ.com
But once you have those skills, what good does it do them when the job market is awash with people who have those skills and are willing to work for cheap too? this flavor of conventional thinking only works in boom times, where labor is scant and competition kicks in.
Working, but still poor - The Week
Workers wanting the dignity of making ends meet is not a "problem" that needs to be "solved".
Used to be that people didn't start a family until they were able to support one. Minimum wage isn't supposed to be a living wage, it's supposed to be a beginning wage while you acquire skills that make you worth more money in the job market. I remember those days, you had to live at home or buddy up with a roommate. I had to ride the bus for years cuz I couldn't afford a car. Wasn't easy, but I managed to survive.
Recession Big Factor as Birthrate Falls - WSJ.com
But once you have those skills, what good does it do them when the job market is awash with people who have those skills and are willing to work for cheap too? this flavor of conventional thinking only works in boom times, where labor is scant and competition kicks in.
Working, but still poor - The Week
Workers wanting the dignity of making ends meet is not a "problem" that needs to be "solved".
News flash - significantly raising the minimum wage is not going to increase the number of jobs out there; in fact, employers will find ways to cut labor costs and jobs. Especially in bad times like now. And living within your means and not starting a family until you can afford to support one is the kind of thinking that works in any environemnt.
Median wage is a better metric. If entry level wages are too high, there's less incentive to improve skills. This effect lowers the productivity of the nation as a whole. Canada's wage structure is more "egalitarian". One result is that a good programmer usually doubles earnings moving from Montreal to Boston. That transplant also gets to keep more of the increased pay, realistically tripling disposable income.