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You assert some false premise and want to keep changing the direction of the conversation away from the questions I asked
you should trying reading what i provided to you, because it provides some explanation of proud boys role in the riot, along with oath keepers. Its a "clown coup" otherwise known as dress rehearsal for a real coup.Yet there are still no insurrection charges. And no evidence of ANY plot.
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- How many cities had riots that went on for months?
- Which cities?
- And how many months did these riots go on?
I didn't realize there was anyone out there that didn't know about the riots......Would you like some help with this topic?
But isn't that the purpose of the committee? To ascertain if he did anything wrong?ThisIsMe wrote: Do you believe they are actually trying to find the truth, or are they just trying to navigate a way to make their presuppositions fit to their desired outcome? 21OCT29-POST#502
NFBW wrote: They are trying to find the truth. Any suggestions otherwise should be shelved as conspiracy theories similar to what caused the riot on Jan6 in the first place. aka Dominion machines & Hugo Chavez, ballots dropped from helicopters shipped in from China …. 21OCT29-POST#575
They are trying to find the truth. Any suggestions otherwise should be shelved as conspiracy theories
Of course it was just before the mob tried to break in. You just can't stop lying.
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Once again, we have a breakdown in the communication between us. I've asked you 3 questions, and so far, you have not answered then. You have gone around them, tried to dismiss them, or change the wording of them.ThisIsMe wrote: In either of those cases, if the committee that is doing the investigation is biased against one of the subjects of the investigation, as all of these members of this committee are, then they have a vested interest in steering the investigation toward a direction that aligns with their own desires. - - - That could be in the form of accepting all evidence, but only considering the parts that would, on the surface, make Trump look bad, and taking other bits and assigning skewed context to them, and using that to indicate guilt, while suppressing and ignoring anything discovered that would contradict it. 21OCT29-POST#584
NFBW wrote: So far the disclosed facts support a conclusion that DJT actually pressured Pence to decertify the election according to the Eastman Plan. You claim to be unbiased but at least you call that action not a good idea. 21OCT29-POST#586
ThisIsMe wrote: I agree, if trumps intent was to have pence decertify the election, that wasn't a good idea, they should have gone through the courts. 21OCT28-POST#478
NFBW wrote: It was way too late to go through the courts. DJT’s pressure on Pence is not likely to qualify as a crime in my non- legal minded opinion. But as one who voted twice with the majority of black white and Latino voters of all religions and no religion at all against the white evangelical Christian nationalistic voting base that empowered DJT’s primary and presidential win in 2016, I consider DJT’s attempt to cancel my vote and the 81 million other Biden voters who abhor what DJT stands for, to be appalling. I was thankful that a huge multicultural coalition tossed the bum out. But he refused to go away the American way. So needless to say I believe DJT’s role in the Jan6 revolt is severely much worse than just a ‘bad idea’. His ‘Save America’ bowel movement unashamedly attempted to eliminate all the black votes from Detroit and other cities with large minority populations in states DJT lost prior to the riot. That still pisses me off that they even dreamed about doing that. Sad really sad for America. - - - And you are concerned about a Republican veteran Congressman on a committee not being fair to victim DJT and his big misunderstanding about the fact that he lost. Mighty sweet of you in my opinion. 21OCT29-POST#586
PS: just in ….. REVEALED: Trump attorney continued to pressure Pence as rioters stormed Capitol calling for his execution John Wright October 29, 2021
Trump attorney John Eastman, the author of the so-called coup memo, emailed a top Mike Pence aide as rioters stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6, blaming the vice president for the insurrection and continuing to pressure him to block certification of Joe Biden's victory.
Liz Cheney says Trump appears to have been ‘personally involved in planning’ 6 Jan insurrection
You assert some false premise and want to keep changing the direction of the conversation away from the questions I asked You assert that the purpose of the committee is to determine DJT’s guilt. That is not true. It is the false assertion in your question. The purpose of the committee is to...
The Washington Post reports that Greg Jacob, who served as Pence's chief counsel, was under guard with the vice president in a secure area, when he described the ongoing riot as a "siege" in an email exchange with Eastman - - - "The 'siege' is because YOU and your boss did not do what was necessary to allow this to be aired in a public way so that the American people can see for themselves what happened," Eastman wrote to Jacob, referring to Trump's false claims of widespread election fraud, as rioters tore through the Capitol, some calling for Pence's execution.
You do realize that the term "kill it" or "kill it in it's crib" is just an expression...right, Not Fooled? Bannon isn't espousing a violent act...he's advising the best steps he sees to stop an election that was fraudulent and advising they do so as early as possible.NFBW wrote: In September 2021 we knew this: 21OCT31-POST#588
Steve Bannon Admits He Talked with Trump About ‘Killing’ Biden Presidency Ahead of Jan. 6th - - - Bannon told Trump days before the insurrection that they needed to “kill” the Biden presidency “in the crib,” according to a new book RYAN BORT 21SEP22-RS-rBIRT-BANNON
“”” Bannon played clips of journalists discussing the book, which details how Bannon spoke with the then-president about the “crisis” that needed to be rectified on January 6th. “People are going to go, ‘What the fuck is going on here? We’re going to bury Biden on January 6th, fucking bury him,’” Bannon told Trump days before the insurrection, according to Peril. “We’re going to kill it in the crib, kill the Biden presidency in the crib.”
Here’s how Bannon responded on Wednesday: - - - “Yeah, because his legitimacy. Forty-two percent of the American people — 4-2 — think that Biden did not win the presidency legitimately. It killed itself. … Just let this go with what this illegitimate regime is doing. It killed itself. We told you from the very beginning. Just expose it. Just expose it. Never back down. Never give up. This thing will implode.” - - - Bannon’s admission that he spoke with Trump about overthrowing the election isn’t shocking considering how he was lathering up his followers to take action on the 6th. Bannon told his podcast listeners on January 5th that “all hell was going to break loose” the following day in Washington, D.C., and later encouraged his Facebook followers to “TAKE ACTION. THEY ARE TRYING TO STEAL THE ELECTION, “””Steve Bannon Admits He Talked with Trump About 'Killing' Biden Presidency Ahead of Jan. 6th
Steve Bannon said on Wednesday that he helped plan the January 6th rally in order to "kill the Biden presidency in the crib."
NFBW wrote: October 2021 we get this: 21OCT31-POST#588
ThisIsMe wrote: Again, as was previously mentioned, bannon left the white house years before the capitol riot, so, why even subpoena him? Why does schiff feel the need to threaten him, for something he had no part of? 21OCT12-POST#53
Paranoid fantasy, pre-emptive excuse you have at the ready. Your true position is becoming very, very clear.I agree, there will be a lot of irrelevant and made up "facts".
No. The work of the committee is necessary and appropriate so it can never be considered wrong by a fair minded unbiased democracy loving American.do you think there is any circumstance where the dems walk away admitting they were wrong?
That is not a fact, period.The fact that their opinion is predisposed is exactly why the committee is pointless.
The committee members have not done anything wrong in being on the committee so they will never have to admit they are wrong for being on the committee.If there exists no scenario where the dems could ever walk away admitting they were wrong, then that means that there is only one outcome available and that is a guilty vote.
They are not required to do so.I don't believe the dems would ever admit defeat or that they were wrong, especially against Trump.
Yes.Would you be accepting of this situation if it was a republican committee investigating biden?
Yes.My question was, do you feel the dems are capable of being honest and fair and objective.
Until you can cite the use of irrelevant and made up "facts" presented in the finding I will withhold judgment on such a scenario.I agree, there will be a lot of irrelevant and made up "facts". It's why I asked if you felt the dems could be objective and honest.
Yes, sufficiently capable.Do you believe the democrats are capable of being completely objective and unbiased?
No akready explained why.Do you believe that if the evidence takes them to a place that shows Trump and company to not be guilty that they will admit they are wrong, and would they publicly attest to that fact?
Yes and No in that order. I believe they are honorable people specifically Kinzinger.Do you believe they are actually trying to find the truth, or are they just trying to navigate a way to make their presuppositions fit to their desired outcome?
I Don’t agree with your predisposed conclusion before the Committee is barely getting started . Your judgment is already shown to be flawed when you question the subpoena to Bannon because you said he was no longer involved with the President. He was in the Willard Hotel on riot eve. You have discredited yourself on this subject ThisIsMe. .The answers to all those questions are obvious, ThisIsMe! This is not a committee that was assembled to be objective and unbiased. Nancy Pelosi made sure of that by determining who would be sat and who wouldn't. Her action...refusing to seat the Republicans that the GOP leader named on the basis that THEY were biased towards Trump...becomes laughable considering the Democrats that now sit on that board! Does anyone here really think Adam Schiff isn't biased?
I’m certain they can because much of the case will undoubtedly be based on documented evidence and video recordings And because Cheney have put their careers and lives on the line to get to the truth for the country they love..I asked if you felt the dems could be fair and unbiased.
answered and I’m not interested in them finding Trump guilty.Do you believe that if the evidence takes them to a place that shows Trump and company to not be guilty that they will admit they are wrong, and would they publicly attest to that fact?
No. I have answered your questions to the best if my ability and understanding of them. I dont care if DJT Is found guilty of a crime. His conduct after losing is unAmerican and deplorable, I want his private written communications unedited to be made public since he was supposed to be working for me but he worked so hard against me and against the Constitutional process of elections.You can't answer a question about a committees fairness because them gathering evidence about someone's being guilty or not guilty of anything is a false premise?
so there. what about that one.Thank you. We have an answer,
No.,Are you saying that the fact that the Committee could find evidence that Trump had nothing to do with it as being a false premise?
No.Or that the Committee finding him guilty or not guilty in general is the false premise?
To investigate the political effort to overturn the election and the riot we all saw that happened because of it,If it is the second one, then what is the purpose of the committee?
You do realize that the term "kill it" or "kill it in it's crib" is just an expression...right, Not Fooled? Bannon isn't espousing a violent act...he's advising the best steps he sees to stop an election that was fraudulent and advising they do so as early as possible.
Paranoid fantasy, pre-emptive excuse you have at the ready. Your true position is becoming very, very clear.
Yes. Somehow, he knows all the facts already. But we don't need an investigation to find the facts. Even though he is certain that the facts clear everyone. Curious.There was a helluva lot of prejudice bias partisanship and prejudging when this was written a couple weeks ago.
ThisIsMe wrote: Again, as was previously mentioned, bannon left the white house years before the capitol riot, so, why even subpoena him? Why does schiff feel the need to threaten him, for something he had no part of? 21OCT12-POST#53
Liar, I backed it up. Your denials can't wash away the charges against those Oath Keepers. Neither can your pathetic attempts at deflecting.
Meanwhile in the real world, 4 hours of rioting is not nearly as bad as four years of rioting.
Paranoid fantasy, pre-emptive excuse you have at the ready. Your true position is becoming very, very clear.
I would hope so, I've been stating it over and over in this thread, though I don't think my position is what you think it is.Your true position is becoming very, very clear
Paranoid fantasy, pre-emptive excuse you have at the ready.
YOU should try keeping up with reality. FBI says NO evidence of any plot. Your desperation to save your failing narrative is funny. Now it’s a “ dress rehearsal”. Weak.you should trying reading what i provided to you, because it provides some explanation of proud boys role in the riot, along with oath keepers. Its a "clown coup" otherwise known as dress rehearsal for a real coup.
It should become clear why the congressional commission is needed for investigating this; its beyond the scope of the FBI.
You have been trying to cover for your actual position. That we now see.clearly.I would hope so, I've been stating it over and over in this thread, though I don't think my position is what you think it is.
