Look for terrorist and no fly list to go up substantially

[Fenton Lum]

I agree, mass shootings are just part of american life in this exceptional nation. Just the price we pay to be free and be able to have guns so we can fight our govt off.

Define free? I'm European, I'm free to worship, spend money, be gay, ask to end my life when I get sick and am in unbearable pain, have an abortion. And all of this without needing to lose over 30000 ppl anually to guns. What freedoms you enjoy that I don't?

Good. Stay over there. Pretty soon you'll be bowing to allah.

Fundamentalism is all the same thing, allah, jesus, don't really matter, all fundamentalists are bat shit crazy cultists yearning for time's end while hating everyone else on the way.

 

[Fenton Lum]

So you no longer have anything you consider to be your govt then?

So much for a serious conversation. Get back to me when you have something worthwhile to say.

Ah so my point that the original meaning of the second amendment isn't applicable anymore is not worthy of discussion. Just so you know there was other text regarding slavery for instance that clearly lost it's meaning after the civil war. I'm arguing that the same can be said of the second amendment. Historically both provisions of the second amendment made sense. The first part ensuring that a new country with little friends and no standing army could at least rely on a militia for self defence. The second part trying to ensure that the goverment would always have to fear armed uprising as a last resort check and balance. The first part of the second amendment is now covered with the most formidable war machine ever assembled. The second part covered by a well established and never broken election cycle and the cheer futility of armed rebellion in the face of modern weapons.

Except it IS applicable. And like it or not, the second amendment DOES guarantee us the right to keep and bear arms, and it's a right we are not willing to give up, especially since our POTUS and the Democratic nominee are trying to flood our country with terrorists.

And an uprising against government is not likely but a government crackdown is, and even though a shotgun is no match for a tank, why should we voluntarily give up our only means of self defense? It's no gonna happen.

Look I see you give no counterargument as to why you feel it is still applicable. Exept saying I want my guns. Fine I already decided that for myself you wanting to have a gun is fine by me. Just don't be sanctimonious about it. It has nothing at all to do with rights and everything to do with wants. You like guns that simple. The reason I know that is by your post. You would have no problem in congress voting laws against Islam. Wich goes against the first amendment. Nore I suspect you have a problem with congress not even giving a hearing to Garland. Wich goes against the second article of the constitution. So if your love for the founding fathers stops at anything that you feel you or the country needs, thats hypocritical.

You're so used to being ruled over you'll accept whatever your government does. In America, We, The People have a say. That's what makes us the greatest and most powerful country in the world while the rest of you live under the thumb of your masters. And the applicability of the second amendment is not determined by your opinion or anyone else's but feel free to voice your worthless opinions. We Americans enjoy a good laugh once in a while when foreign liberal snobs such as yourself spew your ignorance about our Constitution.

"You're so used to being ruled over you'll accept whatever your government does. In America, We, The People have a say. That's what makes us the greatest and most powerful country in the world while the rest of you live under the thumb of your masters."

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn, the propaganda of american exceptionalism on parade. It's obvious to even the most casual of observers you've never lived anywhere else, such is the myopc nature of your fearful world view.

Rather, that's what makes some of us in the us the most dilusional country in the world.

 

[Fenton Lum]

So you no longer have anything you consider to be your govt then?

So much for a serious conversation. Get back to me when you have something worthwhile to say.

Ah so my point that the original meaning of the second amendment isn't applicable anymore is not worthy of discussion. Just so you know there was other text regarding slavery for instance that clearly lost it's meaning after the civil war. I'm arguing that the same can be said of the second amendment. Historically both provisions of the second amendment made sense. The first part ensuring that a new country with little friends and no standing army could at least rely on a militia for self defence. The second part trying to ensure that the goverment would always have to fear armed uprising as a last resort check and balance. The first part of the second amendment is now covered with the most formidable war machine ever assembled. The second part covered by a well established and never broken election cycle and the cheer futility of armed rebellion in the face of modern weapons.

Except it IS applicable. And like it or not, the second amendment DOES guarantee us the right to keep and bear arms, and it's a right we are not willing to give up, especially since our POTUS and the Democratic nominee are trying to flood our country with terrorists.

And an uprising against government is not likely but a government crackdown is, and even though a shotgun is no match for a tank, why should we voluntarily give up our only means of self defense? It's no gonna happen.

Look I see you give no counterargument as to why you feel it is still applicable. Exept saying I want my guns. Fine I already decided that for myself you wanting to have a gun is fine by me. Just don't be sanctimonious about it. It has nothing at all to do with rights and everything to do with wants. You like guns that simple. The reason I know that is by your post. You would have no problem in congress voting laws against Islam. Wich goes against the first amendment. Nore I suspect you have a problem with congress not even giving a hearing to Garland. Wich goes against the second article of the constitution. So if your love for the founding fathers stops at anything that you feel you or the country needs, thats hypocritical.

You're so used to being ruled over you'll accept whatever your government does. In America, We, The People have a say. That's what makes us the greatest and most powerful country in the world while the rest of you live under the thumb of your masters. And the applicability of the second amendment is not determined by your opinion or anyone else's but feel free to voice your worthless opinions. We Americans enjoy a good laugh once in a while when foreign liberal snobs such as yourself spew your ignorance about our Constitution.

I agree, mass shootings are just part of american life in this exceptional nation. Just the price we pay to be free and be able to have guns so we can fight our govt off.

Define free? I'm European, I'm free to worship, spend money, be gay, ask to end my life when I get sick and am in unbearable pain, have an abortion. And all of this without needing to lose over 30000 ppl anually to guns. What freedoms you enjoy that I don't?

Really? How did that thingy involving Adolf Hitler and his buddies work out for you? Europe did a FINE job taking care of that little inconvenience didn't you? Ya think the NAZIS would have even got started if the citizens had weapons?

You and your precious Europe are EXACTLY the reason why a well armed citizenry is necessary. Your stupid asses were clearly NOT worth saving as made clear in this post.

Piss on Europe. Next time you get overtaken by a tyrant ...how's THIS? Save yourselves. We lost a lot of good men and women defending you WITH GUNS. We didn't do it with cupcakes.

But perhaps YOU are better off without guns. I doubt you would have the courage to do what it would take to save yourselves even if you had the means.

Did I mention PISS ON EUROPE?

I have to say your level of discourse is staggering. You think Adolf Hitler would have been stopped if the people would have had guns. Hmms, since Germany had riots and it's citizens fighting basicly since WW1 ended. And there was no gun laws period in the interbellum period that is a weird claim. The rise to power of Hitler has nothing at all to do with the lack of weapons. I could give you a lenghty explanation as to how it happened. But since you are an American who quite clearly doesn't have the brain, the temperament , nore the inclination to listen to someone who has more knowledge then your narrow view of the world, I won't bother.

A man or two with sniper rifles could have easily destroyed the inner circle of Hitler's core group. A few well placed 50 cal machine guns could have easily taken out a whole caravan of the NAZI elites in any highway in Germany. Yes the patriots would have probably been discovered and killed. Taking out Hitler and a few of his top henchmen early on would have brought the NAZIS to a screeching halt.

The problem with stopping a man like Adolf Hitler is that it would take some brave men willing to give up their lives for the greater good. No such person or persons exist in Europe. Stop trying to compare Europe with THE USA. We are made of better stuff. You people are mouths on sticks. You have less character than a ventriloquist's puppet. Did I mention "PISS ON EUROPE"?

Ah with brave men you mean someone with a gun. As I mentioned before plenty of fighting happened in the NAZI's formative years, and there was no such thing as gun laws. I'll give you a little secret the problem with tyrants is that you often don't know they'll be tyrants until it's to late. Hitler being the prime example. He was duly elected by the German people and for all his faults. Got Germany out of the worst depression ever experienced and gave a demoralised populace it's confidence back. He wasn't just popular until the war begn, but was considered something of rockstar and a genius by his people. He in both his retoric and character reminds me of Trump, so when you say "oh brave men should have stopped him", note that you have a potential tyrant on your hands yourself.

"Ah with brave men you mean someone with a gun."

He will never do anything but post on chat boards.

 

[Fenton Lum]

I agree, mass shootings are just part of american life in this exceptional nation. Just the price we pay to be free and be able to have guns so we can fight our govt off.

Define free? I'm European, I'm free to worship, spend money, be gay, ask to end my life when I get sick and am in unbearable pain, have an abortion. And all of this without needing to lose over 30000 ppl anually to guns. What freedoms you enjoy that I don't?

Really? How did that thingy involving Adolf Hitler and his buddies work out for you? Europe did a FINE job taking care of that little inconvenience didn't you? Ya think the NAZIS would have even got started if the citizens had weapons?

You and your precious Europe are EXACTLY the reason why a well armed citizenry is necessary. Your stupid asses were clearly NOT worth saving as made clear in this post.

Piss on Europe. Next time you get overtaken by a tyrant ...how's THIS? Save yourselves. We lost a lot of good men and women defending you WITH GUNS. We didn't do it with cupcakes.

But perhaps YOU are better off without guns. I doubt you would have the courage to do what it would take to save yourselves even if you had the means.

Did I mention PISS ON EUROPE?

I have to say your level of discourse is staggering. You think Adolf Hitler would have been stopped if the people would have had guns. Hmms, since Germany had riots and it's citizens fighting basicly since WW1 ended. And there was no gun laws period in the interbellum period that is a weird claim. The rise to power of Hitler has nothing at all to do with the lack of weapons. I could give you a lenghty explanation as to how it happened. But since you are an American who quite clearly doesn't have the brain, the temperament , nore the inclination to listen to someone who has more knowledge then your narrow view of the world, I won't bother.

A man or two with sniper rifles could have easily destroyed the inner circle of Hitler's core group. A few well placed 50 cal machine guns could have easily taken out a whole caravan of the NAZI elites in any highway in Germany. Yes the patriots would have probably been discovered and killed. Taking out Hitler and a few of his top henchmen early on would have brought the NAZIS to a screeching halt.

The problem with stopping a man like Adolf Hitler is that it would take some brave men willing to give up their lives for the greater good. No such person or persons exist in Europe. Stop trying to compare Europe with THE USA. We are made of better stuff. You people are mouths on sticks. You have less character than a ventriloquist's puppet. Did I mention "PISS ON EUROPE"?

"You people are mouths on sticks."

Difference being you have a computer? You're right, cannot compare advanced European societies with the fundamentalist middle east like usa and its throwback world view.

 

[Fenton Lum]

So you no longer have anything you consider to be your govt then?

So much for a serious conversation. Get back to me when you have something worthwhile to say.

Ah so my point that the original meaning of the second amendment isn't applicable anymore is not worthy of discussion. Just so you know there was other text regarding slavery for instance that clearly lost it's meaning after the civil war. I'm arguing that the same can be said of the second amendment. Historically both provisions of the second amendment made sense. The first part ensuring that a new country with little friends and no standing army could at least rely on a militia for self defence. The second part trying to ensure that the goverment would always have to fear armed uprising as a last resort check and balance. The first part of the second amendment is now covered with the most formidable war machine ever assembled. The second part covered by a well established and never broken election cycle and the cheer futility of armed rebellion in the face of modern weapons.

Except it IS applicable. And like it or not, the second amendment DOES guarantee us the right to keep and bear arms, and it's a right we are not willing to give up, especially since our POTUS and the Democratic nominee are trying to flood our country with terrorists.

And an uprising against government is not likely but a government crackdown is, and even though a shotgun is no match for a tank, why should we voluntarily give up our only means of self defense? It's no gonna happen.

Look I see you give no counterargument as to why you feel it is still applicable. Exept saying I want my guns. Fine I already decided that for myself you wanting to have a gun is fine by me. Just don't be sanctimonious about it. It has nothing at all to do with rights and everything to do with wants. You like guns that simple. The reason I know that is by your post. You would have no problem in congress voting laws against Islam. Wich goes against the first amendment. Nore I suspect you have a problem with congress not even giving a hearing to Garland. Wich goes against the second article of the constitution. So if your love for the founding fathers stops at anything that you feel you or the country needs, thats hypocritical.

You're so used to being ruled over you'll accept whatever your government does. In America, We, The People have a say. That's what makes us the greatest and most powerful country in the world while the rest of you live under the thumb of your masters. And the applicability of the second amendment is not determined by your opinion or anyone else's but feel free to voice your worthless opinions. We Americans enjoy a good laugh once in a while when foreign liberal snobs such as yourself spew your ignorance about our Constitution.

"You're so used to being ruled over you'll accept whatever your government does. In America, We, The People have a say. That's what makes us the greatest and most powerful country in the world while the rest of you live under the thumb of your masters."

You realize your just barking back the propaganda you've been imprinted with, right? One instant your a proud "free" american with a say, the next instant you need your gun to stave off the tyranny of your masters.

Which is it my scared little friend?

 

[Fenton Lum]

I agree, mass shootings are just part of american life in this exceptional nation. Just the price we pay to be free and be able to have guns so we can fight our govt off.

Define free? I'm European, I'm free to worship, spend money, be gay, ask to end my life when I get sick and am in unbearable pain, have an abortion. And all of this without needing to lose over 30000 ppl anually to guns. What freedoms you enjoy that I don't?

Really? How did that thingy involving Adolf Hitler and his buddies work out for you? Europe did a FINE job taking care of that little inconvenience didn't you? Ya think the NAZIS would have even got started if the citizens had weapons?

You and your precious Europe are EXACTLY the reason why a well armed citizenry is necessary. Your stupid asses were clearly NOT worth saving as made clear in this post.

Piss on Europe. Next time you get overtaken by a tyrant ...how's THIS? Save yourselves. We lost a lot of good men and women defending you WITH GUNS. We didn't do it with cupcakes.

But perhaps YOU are better off without guns. I doubt you would have the courage to do what it would take to save yourselves even if you had the means.

Did I mention PISS ON EUROPE?

I have to say your level of discourse is staggering. You think Adolf Hitler would have been stopped if the people would have had guns. Hmms, since Germany had riots and it's citizens fighting basicly since WW1 ended. And there was no gun laws period in the interbellum period that is a weird claim. The rise to power of Hitler has nothing at all to do with the lack of weapons. I could give you a lenghty explanation as to how it happened. But since you are an American who quite clearly doesn't have the brain, the temperament , nore the inclination to listen to someone who has more knowledge then your narrow view of the world, I won't bother.

A man or two with sniper rifles could have easily destroyed the inner circle of Hitler's core group. A few well placed 50 cal machine guns could have easily taken out a whole caravan of the NAZI elites in any highway in Germany. Yes the patriots would have probably been discovered and killed. Taking out Hitler and a few of his top henchmen early on would have brought the NAZIS to a screeching halt.

The problem with stopping a man like Adolf Hitler is that it would take some brave men willing to give up their lives for the greater good. No such person or persons exist in Europe. Stop trying to compare Europe with THE USA. We are made of better stuff. You people are mouths on sticks. You have less character than a ventriloquist's puppet. Did I mention "PISS ON EUROPE"?

"A man or two with sniper rifles could have easily destroyed the inner circle of Hitler's core group. A few well placed 50 cal machine guns could have easily taken out a whole caravan of the NAZI elites in any highway in Germany. Yes the patriots would have probably been discovered and killed. Taking out Hitler and a few of his top henchmen early on would have brought the NAZIS to a screeching halt.

The problem with stopping a man like Adolf Hitler is that it would take some brave men willing to give up their lives for the greater good. No such person or persons exist in Europe."

Nor in america either apparently, cuz that ain't the way it played out.

 

[Fenton Lum]

I agree, mass shootings are just part of american life in this exceptional nation. Just the price we pay to be free and be able to have guns so we can fight our govt off.

Define free? I'm European, I'm free to worship, spend money, be gay, ask to end my life when I get sick and am in unbearable pain, have an abortion. And all of this without needing to lose over 30000 ppl anually to guns. What freedoms you enjoy that I don't?

Really? How did that thingy involving Adolf Hitler and his buddies work out for you? Europe did a FINE job taking care of that little inconvenience didn't you? Ya think the NAZIS would have even got started if the citizens had weapons?

You and your precious Europe are EXACTLY the reason why a well armed citizenry is necessary. Your stupid asses were clearly NOT worth saving as made clear in this post.

Piss on Europe. Next time you get overtaken by a tyrant ...how's THIS? Save yourselves. We lost a lot of good men and women defending you WITH GUNS. We didn't do it with cupcakes.

But perhaps YOU are better off without guns. I doubt you would have the courage to do what it would take to save yourselves even if you had the means.

Did I mention PISS ON EUROPE?

I have to say your level of discourse is staggering. You think Adolf Hitler would have been stopped if the people would have had guns. Hmms, since Germany had riots and it's citizens fighting basicly since WW1 ended. And there was no gun laws period in the interbellum period that is a weird claim. The rise to power of Hitler has nothing at all to do with the lack of weapons. I could give you a lenghty explanation as to how it happened. But since you are an American who quite clearly doesn't have the brain, the temperament , nore the inclination to listen to someone who has more knowledge then your narrow view of the world, I won't bother.

A man or two with sniper rifles could have easily destroyed the inner circle of Hitler's core group. A few well placed 50 cal machine guns could have easily taken out a whole caravan of the NAZI elites in any highway in Germany. Yes the patriots would have probably been discovered and killed. Taking out Hitler and a few of his top henchmen early on would have brought the NAZIS to a screeching halt.

The problem with stopping a man like Adolf Hitler is that it would take some brave men willing to give up their lives for the greater good. No such person or persons exist in Europe. Stop trying to compare Europe with THE USA. We are made of better stuff. You people are mouths on sticks. You have less character than a ventriloquist's puppet. Did I mention "PISS ON EUROPE"?

Ah with brave men you mean someone with a gun. As I mentioned before plenty of fighting happened in the NAZI's formative years, and there was no such thing as gun laws. I'll give you a little secret the problem with tyrants is that you often don't know they'll be tyrants until it's to late. Hitler being the prime example. He was duly elected by the German people and for all his faults. Got Germany out of the worst depression ever experienced and gave a demoralised populace it's confidence back. He wasn't just popular until the war begn, but was considered something of rockstar and a genius by his people. He in both his retoric and character reminds me of Trump, so when you say "oh brave men should have stopped him", note that you have a potential tyrant on your hands yourself.

And the "brave men" are lining up behind him like brownshirts, complete with all the nativist rhetoric.

 

[Geaux4it]

I agree, mass shootings are just part of american life in this exceptional nation. Just the price we pay to be free and be able to have guns so we can fight our govt off.

Indeed. I agree. All acceptable risk to live in America

-Geaux

 

[Fenton Lum]

I agree, mass shootings are just part of american life in this exceptional nation. Just the price we pay to be free and be able to have guns so we can fight our govt off.

Indeed. I agree. All acceptable risk to live in America

-Geaux

Even if the "fighting off our govt" is nothing but fanciful illusion.

 

[SuperDemocrat]

This country is so scared of the word 'terrorist' that it is willing to sacrifice any and every right in the world to stop it. I'm getting a little sick of it but as long as everyone else is OK with having our rights stripped away because we are so scared of terrorism then their isn't a lot I can do about it.

 

[Geaux4it]

I agree, mass shootings are just part of american life in this exceptional nation. Just the price we pay to be free and be able to have guns so we can fight our govt off.

Indeed. I agree. All acceptable risk to live in America

-Geaux

Even if the "fighting off our govt" is nothing but fanciful illusion.

In what regard?

-Geaux

 

[Fenton Lum]

I agree, mass shootings are just part of american life in this exceptional nation. Just the price we pay to be free and be able to have guns so we can fight our govt off.

Indeed. I agree. All acceptable risk to live in America

-Geaux

Even if the "fighting off our govt" is nothing but fanciful illusion.

In what regard?

-Geaux

Every.

 

[Geaux4it]

I agree, mass shootings are just part of american life in this exceptional nation. Just the price we pay to be free and be able to have guns so we can fight our govt off.

Indeed. I agree. All acceptable risk to live in America

-Geaux

Even if the "fighting off our govt" is nothing but fanciful illusion.

In what regard?

-Geaux

Every.

So.... you feel there would be no resistance from the lawful public if told they must relinquish their firearms?

-Geaux

 

[BluesLegend]

Originaly it was setup because the founding fathers having no standing army to fall back upon, wanted to ensure there was a militia they could fall back on in time of crisis. Also they wanted it on record that the government didn't have the right to disarm it's populace.

Very good, and what do you think they meant by "in time of crisis"? What crisis had they just been through that inspired them to make the second amendment the SECOND AMENDMENT?

In time of crisis meant war. Since you guys have an army now it seems obsolete. Especially because back then private citizens could have weapons which where as effective as the best the british possesed a.e. muskets. Unless you have an F22 in your backyard that isn't the case anymore. Your civilian type ar 15 won't do anything in war.

I agree, mass shootings are just part of american life in this exceptional nation. Just the price we pay to be free and be able to have guns so we can fight our govt off.

Define free? I'm European, I'm free to worship, spend money, be gay, ask to end my life when I get sick and am in unbearable pain, have an abortion. And all of this without needing to lose over 30000 ppl anually to guns. What freedoms you enjoy that I don't?

^^^ ahahaha "free" and "European" used in the same sentence how high are your taxes and how long have you been unemployed? lol

Ever lived outside the US? I have. Your indoctrination was very thorough. The only antidote is to get out more. Try it. Grow.

Oh please, I custom ordered a BMW recently and the guys in Europe have to pay ungodly amounts of taxes on the exact same vehicle plus crap like Co2 taxes and other socialist government BS. I wouldn't live in that shit hole area for no amount of money.

China has a very poluted atmosphere, try there. You'll love it.

Hey, train some dentists in Europe for christ sake.

 

[forkup]

Very good, and what do you think they meant by "in time of crisis"? What crisis had they just been through that inspired them to make the second amendment the SECOND AMENDMENT?

In time of crisis meant war. Since you guys have an army now it seems obsolete. Especially because back then private citizens could have weapons which where as effective as the best the british possesed a.e. muskets. Unless you have an F22 in your backyard that isn't the case anymore. Your civilian type ar 15 won't do anything in war.

Define free? I'm European, I'm free to worship, spend money, be gay, ask to end my life when I get sick and am in unbearable pain, have an abortion. And all of this without needing to lose over 30000 ppl anually to guns. What freedoms you enjoy that I don't?

^^^ ahahaha "free" and "European" used in the same sentence how high are your taxes and how long have you been unemployed? lol

Ever lived outside the US? I have. Your indoctrination was very thorough. The only antidote is to get out more. Try it. Grow.

Oh please, I custom ordered a BMW recently and the guys in Europe have to pay ungodly amounts of taxes on the exact same vehicle plus crap like Co2 taxes and other socialist government BS. I wouldn't live in that shit hole area for no amount of money.

China has a very poluted atmosphere, try there. You'll love it.

Hey, train some dentists in Europe for christ sake.

Hey actualy come to Europe before you say what you think you know.

 

[Fenton Lum]

I agree, mass shootings are just part of american life in this exceptional nation. Just the price we pay to be free and be able to have guns so we can fight our govt off.

Indeed. I agree. All acceptable risk to live in America

-Geaux

Even if the "fighting off our govt" is nothing but fanciful illusion.

In what regard?

-Geaux

Every.

So.... you feel there would be no resistance from the lawful public if told they must relinquish their firearms?

-Geaux

They are never going to be told that, but some puppeteers sure need the masses all jacked up about that and everything else as well.