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Barry was citing Yemen
ChrL 11033743Yup, you did. You said that you didn't believe it. OCS syndrome.
If you think I did - post it - or if you can't - well then, keeping running as you just did again right there in post# 11033743.
Barry was citing Yemen
Why are you running from your ignorance based commentary on Iraq that I challenged. Do you agree with me now that pulling US troops out if Iraq when Bush agreed they could be pulled out had nothing to do with the rise of ISIS in Syria and then following that, seizing territory in Iraq.
The spark that lit the Daesh fire was the 2003 US invasion of Iraq. You cannot erase history to suit your need to blame everything on Obama.
A LEADER would have listened to his generals and renegotiated a SOF agreement
There is no post #11033743.
ChrL 11066501There is no post #11033743.
Your post just now was Post# 11,066,501. The post you said was no post was Post# 11,033,743. That was about 33,000 posts by all posters between your two.
When dealing with so many false facts and unfounded opinion by right-wingers it is easier for me to find them on the MB's overall numbering system. No big deal except to those of you needing to divert attention away from all your losing arguments no natter on which thread you keep repeating them or sometime changing them to suit the mist recent argument they are trying to make.
Unko 11066745A LEADER would have listened to his generals and renegotiated a SOF agreement
Obama listened to every military adviser and every active and inactive duty General that told him not to negotiate a SOFA that did not have the same legal immunity as the Bush/Maliki SOFA of 2008. The Iraqis refused to budge on the immunity issue. That is a natter of historical record that you are ignoring or deny that it exists. Why do you base your opinion on denial of a major crucial fact. The Iraqis would not sign or pass a SOFA in 2011 that contained legal immunity for US troops. That is the reality you miss.
Unko 11066745A LEADER would have listened to his generals and renegotiated a SOF agreement
Obama listened to every military adviser and every active and inactive duty General that told him not to negotiate a SOFA that did not have the same legal immunity as the Bush/Maliki SOFA of 2008. The Iraqis refused to budge on the immunity issue. That is a natter of historical record that you are ignoring or deny that it exists. Why do you base your opinion on denial of a major crucial fact. The Iraqis would not sign or pass a SOFA in 2011 that contained legal immunity for US troops. That is the reality you miss.
I'm not going to respond to your posts until you start quoting the right way and stop cutting quotes short. Use the "post reply" option and quote the ENTIRE post.
Is there a General there being directly quoted advising Obama to keep one single soldier in Iraq after January 1 2012.without having the protection of legal immunity?
There is no post #11033743. How many posts do you think are ON this thread?
A LEADER would have listened to his generals and renegotiated a SOF agreement
Obama listened to every military adviser and every active and inactive duty General that told him not to negotiate a SOFA that did not have the same legal immunity as the Bush/Maliki SOFA of 2008.
News discussions - Boston.com
Key general Iraq pullout plan a disaster - Washington Times
George W. Bush was right about Iraq pullout - The Washington Post
Leon Panetta criticizes Obama for Iraq withdrawal - CBS News
President Bush Warned Obama Not to Pull Out of Iraq Lubbock Online Lubbock Avalanche-Journal
Be warned America s withdrawal from Iraq heralds a world of instability John Bolton World news The Guardian
Obama IGNORED every military adviser and every active and inactive duty General who warned him that a premature withdrawal of combat forces from Iraq could destabilize the area.
OS 11067735Obama IGNORED every military adviser and every active and inactive duty General who warned him that a premature withdrawal of combat forces from Iraq could destabilize the area.
No he did not ignore them. Those civilian advisers and active duty military advisers had no way to persuade the Iraqis to grant immunity to our troops after the Bush/Maliki 2008 SOFA expired at the end of 2011. You are confused. It was the Iraqis that ignored that advice mainly because Bush was pushed into a very short term deal in 2008. The Iraqis had final say. After right winger generally claim that 4484 US troops needed to die in order to give the Iraqis a sovereign democratic state ruled by majority Shiite rule that is quite friendly with the theocratic state in neighboring Iran.
Of course he ignored them! He made a political decision that pulling the troops out would get him reelected.
Which military advisors, former officers, etc. advised that troops be left in Iraq without a renewed SOFA? Of course you can name the ones who gave the simple opinion and advice to leave troops, but that is easy for a person not in control and responsible for the decision and when the little caveat about the SOFA is ignored. So, give us the name or names of the military advisers that told him to leave troops in Iraq despite the Iraqi governments refusal to grant a new SOFA.OS 11067735Obama IGNORED every military adviser and every active and inactive duty General who warned him that a premature withdrawal of combat forces from Iraq could destabilize the area.
No he did not ignore them. Those civilian advisers and active duty military advisers had no way to persuade the Iraqis to grant immunity to our troops after the Bush/Maliki 2008 SOFA expired at the end of 2011. You are confused. It was the Iraqis that ignored that advice mainly because Bush was pushed into a very short term deal in 2008. The Iraqis had final say. After right winger generally claim that 4484 US troops needed to die in order to give the Iraqis a sovereign democratic state ruled by majority Shiite rule that is quite friendly with the theocratic state in neighboring Iran.
Of course he ignored them! He made a political decision that pulling the troops out would get him reelected. The results of that decision he now owns. He was told by his military advisers that a rushed withdrawal could endanger stability in Iraq but he chose to ignore their advice and do it anyways. The result is ISIS controlling vast areas of Iraq. That's on nobody but Barry!
.Unko 11066745A LEADER would have listened to his generals and renegotiated a SOF agreement
Obama listened to every military adviser and every active and inactive duty General that told him not to negotiate a SOFA that did not have the same legal immunity as the Bush/Maliki SOFA of 2008. The Iraqis refused to budge on the immunity issue. That is a natter of historical record that you are ignoring or deny that it exists. Why do you base your opinion on denial of a major crucial fact. The Iraqis would not sign or pass a SOFA in 2011 that contained legal immunity for US troops. That is the reality you miss.
News discussions - Boston.com
Key general Iraq pullout plan a disaster - Washington Times
George W. Bush was right about Iraq pullout - The Washington Post
Leon Panetta criticizes Obama for Iraq withdrawal - CBS News
President Bush Warned Obama Not to Pull Out of Iraq Lubbock Online Lubbock Avalanche-Journal
Be warned America s withdrawal from Iraq heralds a world of instability John Bolton World news The Guardian
OS 11072849Of course he ignored them! He made a political decision that pulling the troops out would get him reelected.
Should Obama have ignored the more important advice from those same advisers who said no troops should stay if Iraq does not extend the immunity that was given with the previous SOFA?
Tell me you think Obama should have ignored the personal safety of the troops under his command
Which military advisors, former officers, etc. advised that troops be left in Iraq without a renewed SOFA? Of course you can name the ones who gave the simple opinion and advice to leave troops, but that is easy for a person not in control and responsible for the decision and when the little caveat about the SOFA is ignored. So, give us the name or names of the military advisers that told him to leave troops in Iraq despite the Iraqi governments refusal to grant a new SOFA.OS 11067735Obama IGNORED every military adviser and every active and inactive duty General who warned him that a premature withdrawal of combat forces from Iraq could destabilize the area.
No he did not ignore them. Those civilian advisers and active duty military advisers had no way to persuade the Iraqis to grant immunity to our troops after the Bush/Maliki 2008 SOFA expired at the end of 2011. You are confused. It was the Iraqis that ignored that advice mainly because Bush was pushed into a very short term deal in 2008. The Iraqis had final say. After right winger generally claim that 4484 US troops needed to die in order to give the Iraqis a sovereign democratic state ruled by majority Shiite rule that is quite friendly with the theocratic state in neighboring Iran.
Of course he ignored them! He made a political decision that pulling the troops out would get him reelected. The results of that decision he now owns. He was told by his military advisers that a rushed withdrawal could endanger stability in Iraq but he chose to ignore their advice and do it anyways. The result is ISIS controlling vast areas of Iraq. That's on nobody but Barry!
The result is ISIS controlling vast areas of Iraq.
You're conflating two issues and trying to make them one.
Which military advisors, former officers, etc. advised that troops be left in Iraq without a renewed SOFA? Of course you can name the ones who gave the simple opinion and advice to leave troops, but that is easy for a person not in control and responsible for the decision and when the little caveat about the SOFA is ignored. So, give us the name or names of the military advisers that told him to leave troops in Iraq despite the Iraqi governments refusal to grant a new SOFA.
The result is ISIS controlling vast areas of Iraq.
ISIS was formerly AQI which formed in Iraq about four years before Senator Obama ran for president. Then they were not destroyed by the Bush Administration. They simply moved into Syria and watched Bush get suckered into first the 2007 trap by Maliki when he sent a letter to the UN demanding that the US authority to operate combat operations in Iraq come to an end by December 2008.
The second trap was the 2008 trap that was set up by the first trap. Bush was forced to negotiate in one year a SOFA or else all troops had to leave by January 1, 2009. That was full advantage for Iraqis. They had Bush under their thumb and pressed hard to get all troops out US cities by June 2009 and all combat operations by US forces had to be approved in advance by Maliki.
The transformation from AQI to ISIS happened in Syria not Iraq anyway. There was no advice by generals to keep 24.000 troops in Syria in 2011 or thereafter.
Your storyline is quite,flawed Oldstyle - it really is.,
Have you ever mentioned immunity in one of your posts? Will you ever use that term in your lifetime?
