Louisiana???

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Does anyone care that 13 are dead and 85,000 have registered for disaster aid? I realize President Bush isn't in office anymore so there's no political points to score, but does anyone care at all? Obama has still not returned from his vacation at Martha’s Vineyard and Hillary is MIA. Trump and Pence are touring the devastated area today.

No. There is a Democrat in the White House so the media doesn't want to pile on. It's also mostly white people affected this time, so there are no poor blacks to exploit from this tragedy.

--- and the Great Myth that the media is run by some kind of evil doctor behind a curtain pulling levers according to some paranoid "political agenda" lives on......


Take a look at this passage from a USA Today article that puts it into perspective. See if you can find it.

Louisiana flooding is worst disaster since Sandy, but people aren’t talking about it

>> The Louisiana flooding is a classic case of a "bad-timing” for media coverage, according to Moeller. She notes that while the floods have been covered, they’ve escaped the attention they would have received at another time.

“It’s a presidential election year, and the Olympics are ongoing,” she said. “There’s very little oxygen in the newsroom for covering it.”

Moller said all it takes is one scroll through your newsfeed to see the coverage is predominately about Trump and Clinton, the U.S. swimming fiasco in Rio, and the Olympic medal count.

More than a dozen USA TODAY stories on the topic have performed average, at best. Readers simply aren’t clicking on them. Maybe this article will be the same.

The lack of national interest in the flood, is likely because Americans are becoming almost numb to the onslaught of human suffering.

“There is a bit of disaster fatigue,” Moeller said. “We’ve seen a string of horrors over the past number of years. Yes, natural disasters, but also very human disasters of violence.” <<
​

Did y'all see it? Here's the key phrase:

"More than a dozen USA TODAY stories on the topic have performed average, at best"
​

--- "Performed"!?

What a dead giveaway. "Performed" is what a stock does when you invest in it. It's what an athlete does when your team buys a free agent.

News, if that's what you're dealing in, cannot "perform". COMMERCIALISM performs. Media is not in the business of distributing news, and it's not in the business of dispensing ideologies. It's in the business of selling papers. And it will play up whatever sells and play down whatever doesn't. Doesn't matter how credible or irrelevant it may be --- hence the blitz of "how Michael Jackson died" stories.

Nobody ever made money selling ideologies. It's all about the money, and that's all it's ever been about. What the article here says in a rare moment of candor is not "this story is not important" --- it's saying "we can't $ell it".

It's no myth that the media is inherently biased. Anyone who can't see that has their head willingly stuck in the sand.

 

[WillowTree]

Oh btw it was not an outdoor stadium it was the Superdone. The people were instructed to go there by city officials.

 

[Dekster]

Katrina did not just sneak up in the middle of the night LOL. They knew for days it was coming. The slight shift in its pattern would not have made a difference if it had not happened as far as what needed to be done. When you live on the coast below sea level and a monster hurricane is coming your way, steal the damned school bus if that is what it takes to get you the hell out.

Nope, not true, unless you count a 40-hour period as "days". Katrina was even for a hurricane unpredictable. It wasn't clear until Saturday that it was gonna happen there.

I lived through it Jack, I know whereof I speak.

Yep true. I sat and watched it and there was little doubt it was going to end up where it generally did. The reason you lived through it was because you spent too much time hoping it wasn't going where it did when you should have been getting on a school bus.

I've lived through 3 tornadoes so that makes me right when I say that ruby slippers will protect you

You sat and watched it on TV. How impressive.

No, the reason I lived through it was that I got a phone call from a co-worker about 2pm on Saturday who said, "so what are you gonna do about this hurricane?" I said, "what hurricane?" Because that was the level of knowledge at that point. Only THEN was it clear she was coming. I drove out the next day after collecting personal items, a GF, two pets and stashing my car. Actually one of the pets got away*. And when we left Sunday morning there was a guy in a truck ambling down the street selling fruit. Like just another day. (That street later took 8 feet of water.)

My GF's neighbors in the lower floor were staying put, even though they had a brand new car. So were my next door neighbors on the street where I live. Our journey to my parents' house, normally three hours, took seven, half of which was sitting in I-10 traffic going one mile an hour. So by, say Saturday night the word was getting out, and you had roughly 24 hours to act.

After the storm passed my GF's neighbors awoke to find themselves floating in their own bed. That's when the levees broke. They broke into my GF's house upstairs and eventually took refuge on the roof where they were finally rescued by helicopter. Meanwhile my apartment, in another part of town, took no water at all. Because whether you got flooded or not depended on how close you were to a levee breach. The French Quarter didn't even shut down -- it's higher ground.

Bottom line, it means that Katrina isn't what devastated New Orleans at all. The levee breaches did it. Other areas more directly in her path to the east were indeed devastated by the storm, since that's where it landed.

* When we finally were allowed back into the city --- in October --- we went to the GF's site to salvage what we could and as soon as we walked in ... there was the errant pet, Hector the cat, who had bolted when we were evacuating. He looked healthier than ever and had even put on some weight. He jumped into the window and said "where the fuck have you been?"

Here they are later, reunited, the cat who shrugged at Katrina and the dog we took with us....

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The models predicted a New Orleans strike three days before; the President declared a state of emergency two days before, and the mayor got around to ordering an evacuation a day before and you folks decided to stay. It doesn't make you insightful. It makes you an idiot.

When you read that post and somehow come up with the idea that I "decided to stay" --- it ain't me that's the idiot.

Going from one part of the gulf coast to another is not evacuating. You stayed in the storm. You were an idiot.

 

[MikeK]

Horseshit. You sound like a big fan of obama's. You think Obama is a big improvement over Bush? ROFLMAO.

Yes. He is a big improvement over Bush. For one thing he's not an embarrassment. For another he prevented the bankruptcy of our National Treasury -- which is just one disaster Bush nearly caused.

But at the bottom line, to say Obama is better than Bush is like saying gonorrhea is better than syphilis. It's the simple truth.

 

[Pogo]

Nope, not true, unless you count a 40-hour period as "days". Katrina was even for a hurricane unpredictable. It wasn't clear until Saturday that it was gonna happen there.

I lived through it Jack, I know whereof I speak.

Yep true. I sat and watched it and there was little doubt it was going to end up where it generally did. The reason you lived through it was because you spent too much time hoping it wasn't going where it did when you should have been getting on a school bus.

I've lived through 3 tornadoes so that makes me right when I say that ruby slippers will protect you

You sat and watched it on TV. How impressive.

No, the reason I lived through it was that I got a phone call from a co-worker about 2pm on Saturday who said, "so what are you gonna do about this hurricane?" I said, "what hurricane?" Because that was the level of knowledge at that point. Only THEN was it clear she was coming. I drove out the next day after collecting personal items, a GF, two pets and stashing my car. Actually one of the pets got away*. And when we left Sunday morning there was a guy in a truck ambling down the street selling fruit. Like just another day. (That street later took 8 feet of water.)

My GF's neighbors in the lower floor were staying put, even though they had a brand new car. So were my next door neighbors on the street where I live. Our journey to my parents' house, normally three hours, took seven, half of which was sitting in I-10 traffic going one mile an hour. So by, say Saturday night the word was getting out, and you had roughly 24 hours to act.

After the storm passed my GF's neighbors awoke to find themselves floating in their own bed. That's when the levees broke. They broke into my GF's house upstairs and eventually took refuge on the roof where they were finally rescued by helicopter. Meanwhile my apartment, in another part of town, took no water at all. Because whether you got flooded or not depended on how close you were to a levee breach. The French Quarter didn't even shut down -- it's higher ground.

Bottom line, it means that Katrina isn't what devastated New Orleans at all. The levee breaches did it. Other areas more directly in her path to the east were indeed devastated by the storm, since that's where it landed.

* When we finally were allowed back into the city --- in October --- we went to the GF's site to salvage what we could and as soon as we walked in ... there was the errant pet, Hector the cat, who had bolted when we were evacuating. He looked healthier than ever and had even put on some weight. He jumped into the window and said "where the fuck have you been?"

Here they are later, reunited, the cat who shrugged at Katrina and the dog we took with us....

View attachment 86131​

The models predicted a New Orleans strike three days before; the President declared a state of emergency two days before, and the mayor got around to ordering an evacuation a day before and you folks decided to stay. It doesn't make you insightful. It makes you an idiot.

When you read that post and somehow come up with the idea that I "decided to stay" --- it ain't me that's the idiot.

Going from one part of the gulf coast to another is not evacuating. You stayed in the storm. You were an idiot.

Again for the reading-impaired ----- I did not "go from one part of the Gulf Coast to another". I didn't even say where I went.
So you're an idiot.

 

[Pogo]

Does anyone care that 13 are dead and 85,000 have registered for disaster aid? I realize President Bush isn't in office anymore so there's no political points to score, but does anyone care at all? Obama has still not returned from his vacation at Martha’s Vineyard and Hillary is MIA. Trump and Pence are touring the devastated area today.

No. There is a Democrat in the White House so the media doesn't want to pile on. It's also mostly white people affected this time, so there are no poor blacks to exploit from this tragedy.

--- and the Great Myth that the media is run by some kind of evil doctor behind a curtain pulling levers according to some paranoid "political agenda" lives on......


Take a look at this passage from a USA Today article that puts it into perspective. See if you can find it.

Louisiana flooding is worst disaster since Sandy, but people aren’t talking about it

>> The Louisiana flooding is a classic case of a "bad-timing” for media coverage, according to Moeller. She notes that while the floods have been covered, they’ve escaped the attention they would have received at another time.

“It’s a presidential election year, and the Olympics are ongoing,” she said. “There’s very little oxygen in the newsroom for covering it.”

Moller said all it takes is one scroll through your newsfeed to see the coverage is predominately about Trump and Clinton, the U.S. swimming fiasco in Rio, and the Olympic medal count.

More than a dozen USA TODAY stories on the topic have performed average, at best. Readers simply aren’t clicking on them. Maybe this article will be the same.

The lack of national interest in the flood, is likely because Americans are becoming almost numb to the onslaught of human suffering.

“There is a bit of disaster fatigue,” Moeller said. “We’ve seen a string of horrors over the past number of years. Yes, natural disasters, but also very human disasters of violence.” <<
​

Did y'all see it? Here's the key phrase:

"More than a dozen USA TODAY stories on the topic have performed average, at best"
​

--- "Performed"!?

What a dead giveaway. "Performed" is what a stock does when you invest in it. It's what an athlete does when your team buys a free agent.

News, if that's what you're dealing in, cannot "perform". COMMERCIALISM performs. Media is not in the business of distributing news, and it's not in the business of dispensing ideologies. It's in the business of selling papers. And it will play up whatever sells and play down whatever doesn't. Doesn't matter how credible or irrelevant it may be --- hence the blitz of "how Michael Jackson died" stories.

Nobody ever made money selling ideologies. It's all about the money, and that's all it's ever been about. What the article here says in a rare moment of candor is not "this story is not important" --- it's saying "we can't $ell it".

It's no myth that the media is inherently biased. Anyone who can't see that has their head willingly stuck in the sand.

Feel free to show me how commercial media --- which is a commercial, meaning profit-making, enterprise --- makes a penny on abstract stuff like ideologies.

I know how the media works Bub. I was part of it. It works to make money. Period.

 

[MikeK]

Oh btw it was not an outdoor stadium it was the Superdone. The people were instructed to go there by city officials.

I don't care what it was or how those people got there. I'm talking about the conditions they endured there and how nothing was done about it in spite of the fact the Nation, which includes Bush, was watching it on tv.

I couldn't do anything about it -- but Bush could have.

 

[TooTall]

So you are upset that Obama hasn't come raised the dead?

The FACT that neither Obama or Hillary has gone to the scene of the disaster speaks volumes about their interest in the victims.
These victims have a long memory!
Polls must not be showing enough support for Hillary so why bother right?

Obama going diverts resources from assistance which is why the Governor has asked him to stay away a few weeks. Workers that should be clearing storm drains instead have to go around inspecting them for explosives with cameras and then welding manholes shut; people that are cleaning streets in the neighborhoods have to converge on where the photo-op would be to clear all trash and debris, police have to be protecting the area for days once cleared and then provide parameter security. The POTUS bubble is insanely time consuming (and a bit excessive). As for Hillary, as long as she says she will spend lots of money she won't really be spending anyway on them, her supporters will cheer and vote for her.

So why was Bush criticized so heavily?

I don't recall him being criticized for that so much as things like the federal relief efforts were held up by them debating whether the officials would be wearing DHS jackets or FEMA jackets. Some of the criticism was unfounded in so much as the Mayor of New Orleans obstructed evacuation efforts by not letting them use school buses

Nobody "didn't let them" use the school buses. That was a photographer's Monday-morning quarterback myth.

Does that mean the did use the school buses?

 

[Pogo]

The FACT that neither Obama or Hillary has gone to the scene of the disaster speaks volumes about their interest in the victims.
These victims have a long memory!
Polls must not be showing enough support for Hillary so why bother right?

Obama going diverts resources from assistance which is why the Governor has asked him to stay away a few weeks. Workers that should be clearing storm drains instead have to go around inspecting them for explosives with cameras and then welding manholes shut; people that are cleaning streets in the neighborhoods have to converge on where the photo-op would be to clear all trash and debris, police have to be protecting the area for days once cleared and then provide parameter security. The POTUS bubble is insanely time consuming (and a bit excessive). As for Hillary, as long as she says she will spend lots of money she won't really be spending anyway on them, her supporters will cheer and vote for her.

So why was Bush criticized so heavily?

I don't recall him being criticized for that so much as things like the federal relief efforts were held up by them debating whether the officials would be wearing DHS jackets or FEMA jackets. Some of the criticism was unfounded in so much as the Mayor of New Orleans obstructed evacuation efforts by not letting them use school buses

Nobody "didn't let them" use the school buses. That was a photographer's Monday-morning quarterback myth.

Does that mean the did use the school buses?

I don't know what facilities were used -- I had my own. But the poster claimed the mayor "didn't let them", and I know that's bullshit.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Feel free to show me how commercial media --- which is a commercial, meaning profit-making, enterprise --- makes a penny on abstract stuff like ideologies.

I know how the media works Bub. I was part of it. It works to make money. Period.

Media bias is real, finds UCLA political scientist

http://scholar.harvard.edu/barro/files/04_0614_liberalmedia_bw.pdf

 

[WillowTree]

Oh btw it was not an outdoor stadium it was the Superdone. The people were instructed to go there by city officials.

I don't care what it was or how those people got there. I'm talking about the conditions they endured there and how nothing was done about it in spite of the fact the Nation, which includes Bush, was watching it on tv.

I couldn't do anything about it -- but Bush could have.

I will give you that, but my understanding at the time was that even though Bush had the help he could not by law intervene until the officials of Louisiana formerly asked.

 

[Pogo]

Feel free to show me how commercial media --- which is a commercial, meaning profit-making, enterprise --- makes a penny on abstract stuff like ideologies.

I know how the media works Bub. I was part of it. It works to make money. Period.

Media bias is real, finds UCLA political scientist

http://scholar.harvard.edu/barro/files/04_0614_liberalmedia_bw.pdf

Pfft. I can cite studies saying the bias is to the right, but that's not what I asked.

The question is --- how does commercial media -- which is by definition in business to make money -- profit by selling some preferred ideology?

The operative question word is "How".

 

[TooTall]

Horseshit. You sound like a big fan of obama's. You think Obama is a big improvement over Bush? ROFLMAO.

Yes. He is a big improvement over Bush. For one thing he's not an embarrassment. For another he prevented the bankruptcy of our National Treasury -- which is just one disaster Bush nearly caused.

But at the bottom line, to say Obama is better than Bush is like saying gonorrhea is better than syphilis. It's the simple truth.

Who prevented the bankruptcy of our National Treasury?

NEW YORK (CNN Money.com) -- After two weeks of contentious and often emotional debate, the federal government's far-reaching and historic plan to bail out the nation's financial system was signed into law by President Bush on Friday afternoon.

"By coming together on this legislation, we have acted boldly to prevent the crisis on Wall Street from becoming a crisis in communities across our country," Bush said less than an hour after the House voted 263 to 171 to pass the bill.

The House vote followed a strong lobbying push by the White House and other supporters of the bill. The House rejected a similar measure on Monday - a defeat that shocked the markets and congressional leaders on both sides of the aisle.

The law, which allows the Treasury Secretary to purchase as much as $700 billion in troubled assets in a bid to kick-start lending, ushers in one of the most far-reaching interventions in the economy since the Great Depression.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Feel free to show me how commercial media --- which is a commercial, meaning profit-making, enterprise --- makes a penny on abstract stuff like ideologies.

I know how the media works Bub. I was part of it. It works to make money. Period.

Media bias is real, finds UCLA political scientist

http://scholar.harvard.edu/barro/files/04_0614_liberalmedia_bw.pdf

Pfft. I can cite studies saying the bias is to the right, but that's not what I asked.

The question is --- how does commercial media -- which is by definition in business to make money -- profit by selling some preferred ideology?

The operative question word is "How".

Ah, so since the study, by the not exactly conservative UCLA, doesn't fit YOUR bias, it's not worthy? Yes, you absolutely did work in the media.

Like I said, head in the sand.

 

[MikeK]

[...]

NEW YORK (CNN Money.com) -- After two weeks of contentious and often emotional debate, the federal government's far-reaching and historic plan to bail out the nation's financial system was signed into law by President Bush on Friday afternoon.

"By coming together on this legislation, we have acted boldly to prevent the crisis on Wall Street from becoming a crisis in communities across our country," Bush said less than an hour after the House voted 263 to 171 to pass the bill.

The House vote followed a strong lobbying push by the White House and other supporters of the bill. The House rejected a similar measure on Monday - a defeat that shocked the markets and congressional leaders on both sides of the aisle.

The law, which allows the Treasury Secretary to purchase as much as $700 billion in troubled assets in a bid to kick-start lending, ushers in one of the most far-reaching interventions in the economy since the Great Depression.

And then he set about transforming a budgetary surplus into the most destructive deficit in our history, which is what he left Office with.

Remember?

 

[Pogo]

Feel free to show me how commercial media --- which is a commercial, meaning profit-making, enterprise --- makes a penny on abstract stuff like ideologies.

I know how the media works Bub. I was part of it. It works to make money. Period.

Media bias is real, finds UCLA political scientist

http://scholar.harvard.edu/barro/files/04_0614_liberalmedia_bw.pdf

Pfft. I can cite studies saying the bias is to the right, but that's not what I asked.

The question is --- how does commercial media -- which is by definition in business to make money -- profit by selling some preferred ideology?

The operative question word is "How".

Ah, so since the study, by the not exactly conservative UCLA, doesn't fit YOUR bias, it's not worthy? Yes, you absolutely did work in the media.

Like I said, head in the sand.

--- so you don't have an answer.

That's OK. There isn't one. Because it doesn't work that way, which is what I said.

 

[MikeK]

I will give you that, but my understanding at the time was that even though Bush had the help he could not by law intervene until the officials of Louisiana formerly asked.

Ask yourself, if I were President and Commander in Chief of the U.S. Military and I saw something like that on television, what would I do?

 

[WillowTree]

I will give you that, but my understanding at the time was that even though Bush had the help he could not by law intervene until the officials of Louisiana formerly asked.

Ask yourself, if I were President and Commander in Chief of the U.S. Military and I saw something like that on television, what would I do?

Follow the law, which I know you liberals hate. Your buddy Obummer is going over Tuesday after his vacation.

 

[TooTall]

Obama going diverts resources from assistance which is why the Governor has asked him to stay away a few weeks. Workers that should be clearing storm drains instead have to go around inspecting them for explosives with cameras and then welding manholes shut; people that are cleaning streets in the neighborhoods have to converge on where the photo-op would be to clear all trash and debris, police have to be protecting the area for days once cleared and then provide parameter security. The POTUS bubble is insanely time consuming (and a bit excessive). As for Hillary, as long as she says she will spend lots of money she won't really be spending anyway on them, her supporters will cheer and vote for her.

So why was Bush criticized so heavily?

I don't recall him being criticized for that so much as things like the federal relief efforts were held up by them debating whether the officials would be wearing DHS jackets or FEMA jackets. Some of the criticism was unfounded in so much as the Mayor of New Orleans obstructed evacuation efforts by not letting them use school buses

Nobody "didn't let them" use the school buses. That was a photographer's Monday-morning quarterback myth.

Does that mean the did use the school buses?

I don't know what facilities were used -- I had my own. But the poster claimed the mayor "didn't let them", and I know that's bullshit.

And I know that it isn't bullshit. Mayor Nagin may not have said 'don't use them' but he made no plan to do so.

"Cancer patient Earl Robicheaux, his immune system depleted by radical chemotherapy, lay in a hospital bed as Hurricane Katrina bore down on New Orleans.

Trying to leave, he thought, seemed suicidal.

But after four days in the hospital's reeking darkness, he escaped via a Black Hawk helicopter that landed on the roof of theUniversity Hospital under heavy guard because of the threat of sniper fire.

It was not the evacuation plan authorities had envisioned for its sick, its elderly and its poor. As the floodwaters recede, serious questions remain about whether New Orleans and Louisiana officials followed their own plans for evacuating people with no other way out.

The mayor's mandatory evacuation order was issued 20 hours before the storm struck the Louisiana coast, less than half the time researchers determined would be needed to get everyone out.

City officials had 550 municipal buses and hundreds of additional school buses at their disposal but made no plans to use them to get people out of New Orleans before the storm, said Chester Wilmot, a civil engineering professor at Louisiana State University and an expert in transportation planning, who helped the city put together its evacuation plan."

New Orleans strayed from evacuation plan

 

[TooTall]

Oh btw it was not an outdoor stadium it was the Superdone. The people were instructed to go there by city officials.

I don't care what it was or how those people got there. I'm talking about the conditions they endured there and how nothing was done about it in spite of the fact the Nation, which includes Bush, was watching it on tv.

I couldn't do anything about it -- but Bush could have.

I will give you that, but my understanding at the time was that even though Bush had the help he could not by law intervene until the officials of Louisiana formerly asked.

That is correct. The Governor of La would not allow Bush to federalize the National Guard so she was the one running that show.