Maine Senate passes bill giving state's electoral votes to national popular vote winner

[Meathead]

Will end up in court. Definitely a Constitutional issue.

No it isn't. States rights.

Don't be an idiot. The EC is states rights.

 

[BS Filter]

Has anyone ever bothered to determine how these states will determine the national popular vote winner since there is no government entity that determines that result?

The President and Vice President are elected via the Electoral College, so the national vote is actually never even counted, except in the media and for historical purposes. No one actually certifies the result.

I'm pretty sure each state certifies their votes.

 

[Marion Morrison]

It is against the Constitution for states to disenfranchise their voters in such a manner.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Sounds to me like a perverted form of voter suppression....no matter how the state votes its legislature gives its electoral votes to the person who at the end of voting wins the popular vote throughout the entire country....also sounds like a strong SCOTUS issue!

Maine's lawmakers passed a bill that would give the state's electoral votes to the presidential candidate who won the national popular vote, taking a step toward becoming the 15th state to enact such a law. The Maine Senate voted 19-16 Tuesday to join the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, which would give all committed states' electoral votes to the winning popular vote candidate should the group accrue the 270 votes necessary for a majority.

California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington state and the District of Columbia have all committed to the pact. The most recent addition, New Mexico, put the total at 189 electoral votes....I believe those listed states are all DeathRAT controlled states!

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Hey, no worries...…….it won't be long before it comes back to bite them in the ass

Just like Harry Reid's "Nuclear Option". It's still a bad idea.

 

[The Original Tree]

That Law will go down in flames as it's Unconstitutional.

You cannot lawfully assign your Electoral Votes to someone who loses your State's Election, just because they lost in your state, but won the overall popular vote.

Nothing unconstitutional about it. The only constitutional challenge is if it is an interstate compact that requires the approval of Congress or not.

What do you think the reaction of a state's voters will be if the state government arbitrarily negates their majority preference in favor of a popular winner?

If it were enacted by 2020, and if the Dirty Don won the popular vote, I would invested heavily in the Wailing Pussy Hat industry.

Can you imagine Trumpybear bragging about a Electoral College sweep.

Which is about to happen, because look at VEGAS odds on Trump's re-election.

Besides that The Dem Tards will sue the Government over their own dumb ass laws when they find out they will be forced to Give The Orange Menace their Electoral Votes anyways,.


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[BlindBoo]

Besides that The Dem Tards will sue the Government over their own dumb ass laws when they find out they will be forced to Give The Orange Menace their Electoral Votes anyways

Don't shed yer leaves just yet, they don't have enough states to enact the compact yet.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

It appears unconstitutional for States to pass laws directing their electors to vote a particular way. States are only supposed to choose electors--not dictate to them how to cast their electoral votes.

This is unconstitutional and is likely to cause a civil war if allowed to go forward.

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[Marion Morrison]

It appears unconstitutional for States to pass laws directing their electors to vote a particular way. States are only supposed to choose electors--not dictate to them how to cast their electoral votes.

This is unconstitutional and is likely to cause a civil war if allowed to go forward.

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Idk about all that, but some state legislators that voted for it will probably not be there the next term. Either by votes or tar n feathers and a rail.

 

[The Original Tree]

Besides that The Dem Tards will sue the Government over their own dumb ass laws when they find out they will be forced to Give The Orange Menace their Electoral Votes anyways

Don't shed yer leaves just yet, they don't have enough states to enact the compact yet.

The Compact can never be enacted.

It's Unconstitutional, but the State can make whatever dumb assed laws they want.

When it comes to 2020, any state that tries to give their Electoral Votes to Donald Trump because he will win the Popular Vote will be sued for Billions and Billions in damages.

You can't for instance in The State of Ohio give your Electoral Votes to Donald Trump when LimpDickistan Dem Tard won that state.

 

[The Original Tree]

It appears unconstitutional for States to pass laws directing their electors to vote a particular way. States are only supposed to choose electors--not dictate to them how to cast their electoral votes.

This is unconstitutional and is likely to cause a civil war if allowed to go forward.

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Dem Tards are the weirdest most dysfunctional and stupid people I know,

They are like petty con men and Snake Oil Salesmen trying a New Pitch every day for the same old Shit they are trying to sell.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What happens when 15,000,000 non-living and Illegal democrat voters are purged and not able to vote any longer?

 

[BlindBoo]

Besides that The Dem Tards will sue the Government over their own dumb ass laws when they find out they will be forced to Give The Orange Menace their Electoral Votes anyways

Don't shed yer leaves just yet, they don't have enough states to enact the compact yet.

The Compact can never be enacted.

It's Unconstitutional, but the State can make whatever dumb assed laws they want.

When it comes to 2020, any state that tries to give their Electoral Votes to Donald Trump because he will win the Popular Vote will be sued for Billions and Billions in damages.

You can't for instance in The State of Ohio give your Electoral Votes to Donald Trump with LimpDickistan Dem Tard won that state.

Where in the Constitution does it allow the Executive, Congress, or the Courts to compel any State into adopting any method of how they choose their electors? Does it exclude the states from selecting their electors based on the national popular vote?

 

[BlindBoo]

It appears unconstitutional for States to pass laws directing their electors to vote a particular way. States are only supposed to choose electors--not dictate to them how to cast their electoral votes.

This is unconstitutional and is likely to cause a civil war if allowed to go forward.

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Their have been over a hundred faithless EC votes cast where the electors did not vote the way they State did. Never really effected much in modern elections. 29 States have laws that compel their electors. 21 don't.

 

[Third Party]

Sounds to me like a perverted form of voter suppression....no matter how the state votes its legislature gives its electoral votes to the person who at the end of voting wins the popular vote throughout the entire country....also sounds like a strong SCOTUS issue!

Maine's lawmakers passed a bill that would give the state's electoral votes to the presidential candidate who won the national popular vote, taking a step toward becoming the 15th state to enact such a law. The Maine Senate voted 19-16 Tuesday to join the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, which would give all committed states' electoral votes to the winning popular vote candidate should the group accrue the 270 votes necessary for a majority.

California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington state and the District of Columbia have all committed to the pact. The most recent addition, New Mexico, put the total at 189 electoral votes....I believe those listed states are all DeathRAT controlled states!

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...

Unless Trump wins the popular vote.

 

[The Original Tree]

What happens when 15,000,000 non-living and Illegal democrat voters are purged and not able to vote any longer?

And they end up voting for Donald Trump because Dem Tard Rules end up fucking Dem Tards in the end.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Besides that The Dem Tards will sue the Government over their own dumb ass laws when they find out they will be forced to Give The Orange Menace their Electoral Votes anyways

Don't shed yer leaves just yet, they don't have enough states to enact the compact yet.

The Compact can never be enacted.

It's Unconstitutional, but the State can make whatever dumb assed laws they want.

When it comes to 2020, any state that tries to give their Electoral Votes to Donald Trump because he will win the Popular Vote will be sued for Billions and Billions in damages.

You can't for instance in The State of Ohio give your Electoral Votes to Donald Trump with LimpDickistan Dem Tard won that state.

Where in the Constitution does it allow the Executive, Congress, or the Courts to compel any State into adopting any method of how they choose their electors? Does it exclude the states from selecting their electors based on the national popular vote?

It does not.

It does, however, require them to send their electoral votes to the sitting VP (President of the Senate) by a certain day, and the VP will certify the election based on electoral votes.

Original Article 2:
The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

There's a deadline to give their votes.

No state is required to release their vote totals. They are only require to send electors.

States are not even required to hold a popular vote for President or Vice President.

Only this:

12th Amendment:

The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and all persons voted for as Vice-President and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;

The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;

The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice.

What happens when non-compact States refuse to release popular vote totals and only certify the results?

What happens when non-compact States refuse to hold a popular vote, and only select electors?

Are the compact states going to just make up numbers?

Are we going to do away with individuals voting for President by default?

.

 

[The Original Tree]

Besides that The Dem Tards will sue the Government over their own dumb ass laws when they find out they will be forced to Give The Orange Menace their Electoral Votes anyways

Don't shed yer leaves just yet, they don't have enough states to enact the compact yet.

The Compact can never be enacted.

It's Unconstitutional, but the State can make whatever dumb assed laws they want.

When it comes to 2020, any state that tries to give their Electoral Votes to Donald Trump because he will win the Popular Vote will be sued for Billions and Billions in damages.

You can't for instance in The State of Ohio give your Electoral Votes to Donald Trump with LimpDickistan Dem Tard won that state.

Where in the Constitution does it allow the Executive, Congress, or the Courts to compel any State into adopting any method of how they choose their electors? Does it exclude the states from selecting their electors based on the national popular vote?

It does not.

It does, however, require them to send their electoral votes to the sitting VP (President of the Senate) by a certain day, and the VP will certify the election based on electoral votes.

Original Article 2:
The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

There's a deadline to give their votes.

No state is required to release their vote totals. They are only require to send electors.

States are not even required to hold a popular vote for President or Vice President.

Only this:

12th Amendment:

The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and all persons voted for as Vice-President and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;

The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;

The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice.

What happens when non-compact States refuse to release popular vote totals and only certify the results?

What happens when non-compact States refuse to hold a popular vote, and only select electors?

Are the compact states going to just make up numbers?

Are we going to do away with individuals voting for President by default?

.

The Dem Tard Dem Nazis trying to create yet another Constitutional Crisis over their Butt Hurt from Their Satanic Candidate, The Evil Hillary Rotten Clinton, getting bitch slapped at the polls.

First they colluded with Russia and The Obama White House to defeat Trump
Then they attempted a COUP
Then they attempted Impeachment
Now they are trying to overturn The Constitution

 

[BlindBoo]

No state is required to release their vote totals. They are only require to send electors.

Existing federal law (section 6 of Title 3 of the United States Code) requires that an official count of the popular vote for President from each state be certified and sent to various federal officials in the form of a “Certificate of Ascertainment.”

9.14 Myths about Lack of an Official National Count for Presidential Elections and Secret Elections

Frankly I see several possible unforeseen outcomes to a compact like that. Being unconstitutional isn't one of them

 

[emilynghiem]

Constitutionally states can apportion their electoral votes in any way they see fit

Not entirely accurate. Under your standard, it would be legal for a formerly Confederate state to ensure its EC votes would NEVER go to a black candidate, and I do believe it is a Very Bad Thing to nullify the voices of minority voters.

Or a state could ensure it would never vote for a Muslim, or a homosexual candidate.

So, if it is, as you say, constitutional, then laws prohibiting such things are UNconstitutional, and must be overturned.

Dear Lesh and hadit
I agree that States do have rights,
but not the right to violate the equal protection of the laws for their citizens.
By Amendment Fourteen and the Civil Rights Act,
people have rights to due process, equal access to representation,
and protection from discrimination by creed.

Our system as it stands isn't perfect.
Majority rule and judicial rule get abused to
deprive people of rights based on their beliefs
not being included equally as the side claiming predominance in a case
where the two sides' beliefs are in conflict.

The proper solution would be to RESOLVE the conflict
instead of relying on a political solution of outvoting the other side.

All these other problems we are seeing are merely SYMPTOMS.
Like hadit said it well, until it manifests as a RACIST issue,
then people just let it keep happening. The death penalty is also
a conflict over BELIEFS, but had to be made into a RACE issue
before the disparity could be argued as something tangibly affecting
people unfairly.

I guess this will keep happening by not fixing the root problem.
And just politicizing the SYMPTOMS to force change.
Not how I would recommend doing it, but that's
how people use the system apparently.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Sounds to me like a perverted form of voter suppression....no matter how the state votes its legislature gives its electoral votes to the person who at the end of voting wins the popular vote throughout the entire country....also sounds like a strong SCOTUS issue!

Maine's lawmakers passed a bill that would give the state's electoral votes to the presidential candidate who won the national popular vote, taking a step toward becoming the 15th state to enact such a law. The Maine Senate voted 19-16 Tuesday to join the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, which would give all committed states' electoral votes to the winning popular vote candidate should the group accrue the 270 votes necessary for a majority.

California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington state and the District of Columbia have all committed to the pact. The most recent addition, New Mexico, put the total at 189 electoral votes....I believe those listed states are all DeathRAT controlled states!

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...

Pssst.....
State electors have always had the choice to vote for whom they wish.