Major Law Firms Won't Defend Trump

Oh dear. Trump's reputation as a deadbeat has caught up with him.

Four top law firms turned down requests to represent Trump
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“The concerns were, ‘The guy won’t pay and he won’t listen,’” said one lawyer close to the White House who is familiar with some of the discussions between the firms and the administration, as well as deliberations within the firms themselves.
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In addition, law firms are concerned about losing other clients and losing employees if they sign on with Trump. Trump's stench of failure is pervasive. It's the reason why so many government positions are unfilled -- nobody wants "Worked with the Trump admin" on their resume.
More FAKE news bullshit. You don't go Lawyer shopping when you have a GREAT lawyer you have used for DECADES and has done a great job for you. As usual more "anonymous" sources...YAWN.
It's hard to imagine 130 lawyers refusing a crack at Trump's checkbook. They're not the most morals-bound types, as a rule.
Morality almost certainly has nothing to do with it. It's all about risk management and revenue. In professional services firms, there are certain risks that aren't worth the revenue the may yield.
 
I know a lot of attorneys, over many decades. I grew up with attorneys..my oldest sister and her husband were attorneys. I've worked for attorneys, dated attorneys, been friends with attorneys, worked with attorneys, and partied with them too.

There is no such thing as a pariah in the attorney world. Attorneys don't blackball, and they don't unilaterally boycott hahaha. Such a thought is ludicrous in the EXTREME. There are always attorneys who LOVE to take on cases that piss people off. This thread is fucking idiotic and laughable at the same time.
see post #35 babble you dummy
No, this thread isn't relevant enough to read the entire thing.
 
More lies from the mental looney left. In the link posted, it clearly says that Trump has an attorney.

That's the thing, Trump has been in business for decades and in NYC for decades, he has and knows attorneys.

The left loons giggling over unnamed sources and fake news....again
 
everybody hates Trump.

"Everybody" doesn't hate Trump, but the people and firms at the top of the legal profession have little or nothing to gain by affiliating themselves with Trump and being thus exposed to and having therefore to mitigate the impacts of his shenanigans. Trump needs to reach out to attorneys/firms for whom the value proposition of being bothered with him can be quantifiably be shown, with regard to their revenue streams and reputations, to be a positive one.


The other thing is few attorneys want to take on high profile cases for clients who won't listen - it can be disasterous.

Bullshit. Attorneys don't care as long as they get paid for their time. Besides, what makes you think that attorneys tell their clients what to do????

I would think the last thing a defense attorney wants is a loose cannon who's responses are unpredictable. Usually these things are well coached and the client is told what to shut his mouth about and how not to go off on the wrong tangents. That's the impression I get.
 
Oh dear. Trump's reputation as a deadbeat has caught up with him.

Four top law firms turned down requests to represent Trump
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“The concerns were, ‘The guy won’t pay and he won’t listen,’” said one lawyer close to the White House who is familiar with some of the discussions between the firms and the administration, as well as deliberations within the firms themselves.
---

In addition, law firms are concerned about losing other clients and losing employees if they sign on with Trump. Trump's stench of failure is pervasive. It's the reason why so many government positions are unfilled -- nobody wants "Worked with the Trump admin" on their resume.
More FAKE news bullshit. You don't go Lawyer shopping when you have a GREAT lawyer you have used for DECADES and has done a great job for you. As usual more "anonymous" sources...YAWN.
It's hard to imagine 130 lawyers refusing a crack at Trump's checkbook. They're not the most morals-bound types, as a rule.
Morality almost certainly has nothing to do with it. It's all about risk management and revenue. In professional services firms, there are certain risks that aren't worth the revenue the may yield.
Hahahahahahahahaaaaaa....

This isn't one of those cases. Trump is an excellent risk and revenue producer extraordinaire.
 
everybody hates Trump.

"Everybody" doesn't hate Trump, but the people and firms at the top of the legal profession have little or nothing to gain by affiliating themselves with Trump and being thus exposed to and having therefore to mitigate the impacts of his shenanigans. Trump needs to reach out to attorneys/firms for whom the value proposition of being bothered with him can be quantifiably be shown, with regard to their revenue streams and reputations, to be a positive one.


The other thing is few attorneys want to take on high profile cases for clients who won't listen - it can be disasterous.

Bullshit. Attorneys don't care as long as they get paid for their time. Besides, what makes you think that attorneys tell their clients what to do????

I would think the last thing a defense attorney wants is a loose cannon who's responses are unpredictable. Usually these things are well coached and the client is told what to shut his mouth about and how not to go off on the wrong tangents. That's the impression I get.

HAHAHAHAHAAAAA

Defense attorneys thrive on loose cannons.

Otherwise, they wouldn't be defense attorneys. They'd be prosecutors.

Who also thrive on loose cannons.

Conflict is their bread and butter.
 
everybody hates Trump.

"Everybody" doesn't hate Trump, but the people and firms at the top of the legal profession have little or nothing to gain by affiliating themselves with Trump and being thus exposed to and having therefore to mitigate the impacts of his shenanigans. Trump needs to reach out to attorneys/firms for whom the value proposition of being bothered with him can be quantifiably be shown, with regard to their revenue streams and reputations, to be a positive one.


The other thing is few attorneys want to take on high profile cases for clients who won't listen - it can be disasterous.

Bullshit. Attorneys don't care as long as they get paid for their time. Besides, what makes you think that attorneys tell their clients what to do????

I would think the last thing a defense attorney wants is a loose cannon who's responses are unpredictable. Usually these things are well coached and the client is told what to shut his mouth about and how not to go off on the wrong tangents. That's the impression I get.

I would think that any reputable attorney would jump at the chance to represent the president. Look at the referrals. Attorneys make or break off of high profile clients. Sorry to have brought facts into this.
 
everybody hates Trump.

"Everybody" doesn't hate Trump, but the people and firms at the top of the legal profession have little or nothing to gain by affiliating themselves with Trump and being thus exposed to and having therefore to mitigate the impacts of his shenanigans. Trump needs to reach out to attorneys/firms for whom the value proposition of being bothered with him can be quantifiably be shown, with regard to their revenue streams and reputations, to be a positive one.


The other thing is few attorneys want to take on high profile cases for clients who won't listen - it can be disasterous.

Bullshit. Attorneys don't care as long as they get paid for their time. Besides, what makes you think that attorneys tell their clients what to do????

I would think the last thing a defense attorney wants is a loose cannon who's responses are unpredictable. Usually these things are well coached and the client is told what to shut his mouth about and how not to go off on the wrong tangents. That's the impression I get.

HAHAHAHAHAAAAA

Defense attorneys thrive on loose cannons.

Otherwise, they wouldn't be defense attorneys. They'd be prosecutors.

Who also thrive on loose cannons.

Conflict is their bread and butter.

Even when they're own client is a loose cannon? I find that hard to buy....
 
"Everybody" doesn't hate Trump, but the people and firms at the top of the legal profession have little or nothing to gain by affiliating themselves with Trump and being thus exposed to and having therefore to mitigate the impacts of his shenanigans. Trump needs to reach out to attorneys/firms for whom the value proposition of being bothered with him can be quantifiably be shown, with regard to their revenue streams and reputations, to be a positive one.


The other thing is few attorneys want to take on high profile cases for clients who won't listen - it can be disasterous.

Bullshit. Attorneys don't care as long as they get paid for their time. Besides, what makes you think that attorneys tell their clients what to do????

I would think the last thing a defense attorney wants is a loose cannon who's responses are unpredictable. Usually these things are well coached and the client is told what to shut his mouth about and how not to go off on the wrong tangents. That's the impression I get.

HAHAHAHAHAAAAA

Defense attorneys thrive on loose cannons.

Otherwise, they wouldn't be defense attorneys. They'd be prosecutors.

Who also thrive on loose cannons.

Conflict is their bread and butter.

Even when they're own client is a loose cannon? I find that hard to buy....

That's because you have obviously never spent time with attorneys. In their down time they hang out together, get drunk, and laugh their asses off at their clients' stupidity.
 
everybody hates Trump.

"Everybody" doesn't hate Trump, but the people and firms at the top of the legal profession have little or nothing to gain by affiliating themselves with Trump and being thus exposed to and having therefore to mitigate the impacts of his shenanigans. Trump needs to reach out to attorneys/firms for whom the value proposition of being bothered with him can be quantifiably be shown, with regard to their revenue streams and reputations, to be a positive one.


The other thing is few attorneys want to take on high profile cases for clients who won't listen - it can be disasterous.

Bullshit. Attorneys don't care as long as they get paid for their time. Besides, what makes you think that attorneys tell their clients what to do????

I would think the last thing a defense attorney wants is a loose cannon who's responses are unpredictable. Usually these things are well coached and the client is told what to shut his mouth about and how not to go off on the wrong tangents. That's the impression I get.

I would think that any reputable attorney would jump at the chance to represent the president. Look at the referrals. Attorneys make or break off of high profile clients. Sorry to have brought facts into this.

Possibly, but if their client is unwilling to listen to advice it's a risky endeavor.
 
"Everybody" doesn't hate Trump, but the people and firms at the top of the legal profession have little or nothing to gain by affiliating themselves with Trump and being thus exposed to and having therefore to mitigate the impacts of his shenanigans. Trump needs to reach out to attorneys/firms for whom the value proposition of being bothered with him can be quantifiably be shown, with regard to their revenue streams and reputations, to be a positive one.


The other thing is few attorneys want to take on high profile cases for clients who won't listen - it can be disasterous.

Bullshit. Attorneys don't care as long as they get paid for their time. Besides, what makes you think that attorneys tell their clients what to do????

I would think the last thing a defense attorney wants is a loose cannon who's responses are unpredictable. Usually these things are well coached and the client is told what to shut his mouth about and how not to go off on the wrong tangents. That's the impression I get.

HAHAHAHAHAAAAA

Defense attorneys thrive on loose cannons.

Otherwise, they wouldn't be defense attorneys. They'd be prosecutors.

Who also thrive on loose cannons.

Conflict is their bread and butter.

Even when they're own client is a loose cannon? I find that hard to buy....
You can search this forum and see for yourself, anyone can that all liberals find reality a hard buy.
 
I'm not surprised you're buying it....see how this works?

Unnamed sources should be your first clue, moron
I'm not surprised you're buying it
If you construe my comments above as my "buying" anything, you either didn't fully read them or didn't comprehend them. I don't know which, but it's one of the two.

Nobody cares, you're not important, now go bother someone else

Excuse me? I bother you? Let me remind you that I didn't quote you or do anything to attract expressly your attention. You, on the other hand, directly quoted my remarks, and attempted to discredit them by lambasting them as "fake news."

Let me share a few pearls of information with you:
  1. I'm not a journalist or news organization; therefore I don't ever deliver any kind of news, fake, real or otherwise.
  2. I made a single substantive point in my original post and you've had no substantive rebuttal to that point, yet you did attempt to impugn it. If you have in your mind developed a cogent rebuttal, by all means, present it. If you don't, act like an adult and keep mum about it. (If my remark bothered you, it can only have done in that you have no direct and substantive rebuttal to it.)
  3. If it be that you think profoundly absurd and unfounded the substantive points I made in any of my posts, fine, but again, act like and adult and eschew dignifying them with a response.

I said nobody cares
Well, then one can soundly conclude you consider yourself to be nobody for you responded to my original post and you keep responding to subsequent ones.

Off to ignore you go.
I'm sure at least one of us will be happier for that being so, and I am well aware that I can speak only for myself.

As I earlier noted...
I made a single substantive point in my original post and you've had no substantive rebuttal to that point, yet you did attempt to impugn it. If you have in your mind developed a cogent rebuttal, by all means, present it. If you don't, act like an adult and keep mum about it. (If my remark bothered you, it can only have done in that you have no direct and substantive rebuttal to it.)
As yet, no substantive and direct rebuttal has appeared.
 
"Everybody" doesn't hate Trump, but the people and firms at the top of the legal profession have little or nothing to gain by affiliating themselves with Trump and being thus exposed to and having therefore to mitigate the impacts of his shenanigans. Trump needs to reach out to attorneys/firms for whom the value proposition of being bothered with him can be quantifiably be shown, with regard to their revenue streams and reputations, to be a positive one.


The other thing is few attorneys want to take on high profile cases for clients who won't listen - it can be disasterous.

Bullshit. Attorneys don't care as long as they get paid for their time. Besides, what makes you think that attorneys tell their clients what to do????

I would think the last thing a defense attorney wants is a loose cannon who's responses are unpredictable. Usually these things are well coached and the client is told what to shut his mouth about and how not to go off on the wrong tangents. That's the impression I get.

I would think that any reputable attorney would jump at the chance to represent the president. Look at the referrals. Attorneys make or break off of high profile clients. Sorry to have brought facts into this.

Possibly, but if their client is unwilling to listen to advice it's a risky endeavor.

No, it's a win/win for the attorney. They get paid if the client takes their advice or not.

Besides, this is all just a fantasy based upon a supposition.
 
That's the thing, Trump has been in business for decades and in NYC for decades, he has and knows attorneys.

And yet those attorneys won't represent him. That's the point. Now, scumbag lawyers -- the type that koshrgrl hangs out with -- don't care about their reputations. However, most attorneys aren't scumbags, and they care a great deal about their reputations.

Plus, they know Trump won't pay them. He always finds an excuse to be a deadbeat. It's his business model. That's one of the things his lawyer specializes in, helping Trump be a deadbeat, along with suing people who dare say true things about Trump, in order to intimidate them into silence. That experience won't help here. Experience in criminal law and federal law would help, and his lawyer has none.
 
Yahoo news is generally fake news. I don't believe anybody turned down trump..remember they made the same claims about the inauguration bands?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/05/business/dealbook/sorkin-marc-kasowitz-trump-lawyer.html

"His firm’s battles on Wall Street have become legend."

"Mr. Kasowitz’s firm represented the Trumps in a case against Mr. Icahn, seeking to prevent him from buying three Trump casinos in Atlantic City after Trump Entertainment Resorts declared bankruptcy. The Kasowitz law firm blasted out a news release in 2010: “Kasowitz Clients Donald and Ivanka Trump Defeat Financier Carl Icahn in Casino Takeover Fight.”

I don't think we need to worry about our President having competent counsel.
 
everybody hates Trump.

"Everybody" doesn't hate Trump, but the people and firms at the top of the legal profession have little or nothing to gain by affiliating themselves with Trump and being thus exposed to and having therefore to mitigate the impacts of his shenanigans. Trump needs to reach out to attorneys/firms for whom the value proposition of being bothered with him can be quantifiably be shown, with regard to their revenue streams and reputations, to be a positive one.


The other thing is few attorneys want to take on high profile cases for clients who won't listen - it can be disasterous.

Bullshit. Attorneys don't care as long as they get paid for their time. Besides, what makes you think that attorneys tell their clients what to do????

I would think the last thing a defense attorney wants is a loose cannon who's responses are unpredictable. Usually these things are well coached and the client is told what to shut his mouth about and how not to go off on the wrong tangents. That's the impression I get.

HAHAHAHAHAAAAA

Defense attorneys thrive on loose cannons.

Otherwise, they wouldn't be defense attorneys. They'd be prosecutors.

Who also thrive on loose cannons.

Conflict is their bread and butter.
You have that correspondence backwards. It is prosecutors who prevail at trail as a result of defendants being "lose cannons." Defense attorneys make their mark, among other ways, by prevailing at trial, and a "lose cannon" client is the last thing that can facilitate that happening.

Surely you don't think the handful of defense attorneys who are at the top of their profession and whose names are recognized by the general public achieved their renown by losing? Fame aside, no attorney makes a name for themselves by losing cases. I mean really. Would you, if you are of a mind to assert your lack of guilt, engage a defense attorney who's reputation is that of being a great plea bargainer? I'm suspect there's a place in the legal profession for that skill, but one would need to admit guilt if that's the type of advocate one should hire. About the last thing Trump'll do is admit guilt, so that'd definitely not the kind of defense attorney he wants.
 
"Everybody" doesn't hate Trump, but the people and firms at the top of the legal profession have little or nothing to gain by affiliating themselves with Trump and being thus exposed to and having therefore to mitigate the impacts of his shenanigans. Trump needs to reach out to attorneys/firms for whom the value proposition of being bothered with him can be quantifiably be shown, with regard to their revenue streams and reputations, to be a positive one.


The other thing is few attorneys want to take on high profile cases for clients who won't listen - it can be disasterous.

Bullshit. Attorneys don't care as long as they get paid for their time. Besides, what makes you think that attorneys tell their clients what to do????

I would think the last thing a defense attorney wants is a loose cannon who's responses are unpredictable. Usually these things are well coached and the client is told what to shut his mouth about and how not to go off on the wrong tangents. That's the impression I get.

HAHAHAHAHAAAAA

Defense attorneys thrive on loose cannons.

Otherwise, they wouldn't be defense attorneys. They'd be prosecutors.

Who also thrive on loose cannons.

Conflict is their bread and butter.
You have that correspondence backwards. It is prosecutors who prevail at trail as a result of defendants being "lose cannons." Defense attorneys make their mark, among other ways, by prevailing at trial, and a "lose cannon" client is the last thing that can facilitate that happening.

Surely you don't think the handful of defense attorneys who are at the top of their profession and whose names are recognized by the general public achieved their renown by losing? Fame aside, no attorney makes a name for themselves by losing cases. I mean really. Would you, if you are of a mind to assert your lack of guilt, engage a defense attorney who's reputation is that of being a great plea bargainer? I'm suspect there's a place in the legal profession for that skill, but one would need to admit guilt if that's the type of advocate one should hire. About the last thing Trump'll do is admit guilt, so that'd definitely not the kind of defense attorney he wants.

You are wrong if you think "winning" is dependent upon a client "minding".

You are also wrong if you think defense attorneys freak out at the thought of a client who doesn't do as he's told. The good ones take cases because they believe they can win on what already exists...not based on how good their client behaves before trial.
 
everybody hates Trump.

"Everybody" doesn't hate Trump, but the people and firms at the top of the legal profession have little or nothing to gain by affiliating themselves with Trump and being thus exposed to and having therefore to mitigate the impacts of his shenanigans. Trump needs to reach out to attorneys/firms for whom the value proposition of being bothered with him can be quantifiably be shown, with regard to their revenue streams and reputations, to be a positive one.


The other thing is few attorneys want to take on high profile cases for clients who won't listen - it can be disasterous.

Bullshit. Attorneys don't care as long as they get paid for their time. Besides, what makes you think that attorneys tell their clients what to do????
Attorneys don't care as long as they get paid for their time.

You just keep thinking that. Run your own business that way if you like. In the mean time, providers of professional services will continue to refrain from taking engagements that bode to increase the risk of their not obtaining a host of future engagements.

That's going to be more so for defense attorneys than for, say, civil litigators, arbitrators, and family law practitioners, for unless the client in question is an inveterate miscreant for whom the attorney successfully prevails at trial, a defense attorney will not expect to get much repeat business from a given client -- either because they lost the case or because the client isn't "rotten to the bone" and "keeps their nose clean" enough to not again need representation in a criminal proceeding -- as they will get referrals from prior clients and/or be solicited by people who feel comfortable with their reputations.

With most famous potential clients, and most especially POTUSes, there would be little to no issue with representing them. Indeed, representing them would be a boon to the attorney's business for more than the quantifiable fees earned. Trump, however, is not most famous potential clients. The man, if he wasn't before becoming POTUS [1], is the most polarizing human on the planet. Though millions of people support him, the fact of the matter is that many of people who can afford the fees of a first rate defense attorney's representation, which is not most if Trumpkins, have no respect for him as a man. Even the ones who favor one or several of his policy proposals do so while also being very careful to make clear their approbation is for the policy not the person.

In short, top defense attorneys in Washington, which,for obvious reasons, is from where he's hoping to find one, don't need Trump as a client because taking him on carries more professional/business risk than does not taking him a client. It's essentially the opposite side of the very same "coin" Trump himself used when he gave free honorary and unrequested memberships at Mar-a-Lago to luminaries including Prince Charles and Princess Diana, Steven Spielberg, Henry Kissinger, Lee Iacocca, Denzel Washington, Michael Ovitz, Norman Mailer, and Elizabeth Taylor, thereby speciously attempting to give his club the appearance of social legitimacy, That is something Trump's billions cannot (and has yet to) buy, as shown by the fact that he's been blackballed at all three of the relevant clubs in Palm Beach, FL.


Note:
  1. Trump, unlike his parents, has never garnered the respect of a majority of his social peers. To wit, it's long been understood in certain circles that the main reason Trump bought Mar-a-Lago and converted it into a country club is because he couldn't get admitted to Everglades, B&T or Palm Beach Country Club
 
"Providers of professional services" pffft...give me a break, welfare willy.

Lololol....
 
The other thing is few attorneys want to take on high profile cases for clients who won't listen - it can be disasterous.

Bullshit. Attorneys don't care as long as they get paid for their time. Besides, what makes you think that attorneys tell their clients what to do????

I would think the last thing a defense attorney wants is a loose cannon who's responses are unpredictable. Usually these things are well coached and the client is told what to shut his mouth about and how not to go off on the wrong tangents. That's the impression I get.

I would think that any reputable attorney would jump at the chance to represent the president. Look at the referrals. Attorneys make or break off of high profile clients. Sorry to have brought facts into this.

Possibly, but if their client is unwilling to listen to advice it's a risky endeavor.

No, it's a win/win for the attorney. They get paid if the client takes their advice or not.

Besides, this is all just a fantasy based upon a supposition.
No, it's a win/win for the attorney. They get paid if the client takes their advice or not.

Clearly you, like Trump, sees "everything" through transactional lens. You need not be inclined or willing to believe me, for to me it matters not whether you do, but I'll note all the same that there is more at issue than merely the matter of earning fees on the Trump engagement.
 

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